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All schools In Denmark switching to Linux
Someone who can read Danish writes "According to this story
(in Danish) Denmark has taken the first steps to start using Linux and Staroffice in all schools (1.1 million students).
Sun has agreed to provide Staroffice for free, or on
a CD-ROM for 10 Danish crowns ($1.5)."
That's absurd! There aren't even that many kings in Denmark!
I can only speak COBOL, and that badly. I don't even know what danish is. Is it like VB?
I work as a Network Engineer in a state-run university in Pennsylvania. The new Microsoft lisence terms (a.k.a. software rental)are beginning to cause major worry in a 2500-plus seat environment where old versions running on ancient comptuers allow us to get by. The concept of moving to a StarOffice or other productivity suit us now (an a year ago unthinkable) being seriously considered.
Ryan Dorman, CCNA Network Communications Specialist Millersville Univesrity
Time for Gates to say "there's something rotten in Denmark" and get on the plane.
how come these articles never seem to have any follow-up? do they stay with linux or give up after a year?
but as the US has consistently proved in the past decade and still not caught on to is that they're not the center of the universe. The loss of Microsoft's power will not be starting in the States, but rather in the countries with the good of the nation rather than the economy on their minds. UNIX has been a staple of Computer Science since the 70s (pre-70s i'd be hard pressed to consider anything on the frontier known as computers as a staple), and IMHO has a good number of decades left in it.
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The article speaks mostly about Sun's StarOffice and how students will be offered it, not that every school will switch to Linux...
I'll leave translation to someone who has stronger danish skills than me though.
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I've started to question the authenticity of some slashdot stories recently, especially after things like this. If the editors don't read stories posted in our own language... Anyone out there want to verify this?
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Just out of curiosity, what's the point of reading any comments about this article? Exactly how many Danes post to slashdot?
Isn't this what Microsoft has been repeatedly accused of? They the first hit free, get them addicted, and tie them into the costly upgrade path. While I like seeing more people using Linux and Open Source software in general (not the smallest reason being that, as a contributor of (small) projects to the community, I feel like a part of everyone's work is making it out there to the masses), I wonder if Sun intends to some day change its mind about OSS/FS when StarOffice has become ubiquitous.
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I neither agree or disagree with that statement. But Microsoft sure does dominans the hot gritz.
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Well I can't read Danish (or speak either), but I don't think the article mentioned what distribution was choosen and why. It would be interesting to know. At least to me.
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Free software for school use
By Keld Louie Pedersen
Denmark's 1.1 million students and teachers can now turn their backs to Microsoft corporation. At least when it comes to office software.
A deal between the Silicon Valley company Sun Microsystems Incorporated and UNI-C means that the country's students and teachers can download the office program StarOffice 6.0 from Sun at no cost and freely install it on their home computer. Alternately, they can buy it on CD-ROM at cost, 10 kroners per CD. The schools can buy StarOFfice in packages of 50.
Sun has made the deal with UNI-C according to the guidelines announced by education minister Ulla Toernaes (Left Party) on October 30th, on how educational institutions should act when offered free office software. Amongst the requirements are that such software donations are without cost for the state, and that UNI-C Denmark's information technology center should be responsible for distributing licenses.
UNI-C's expenses are covered by the 10 kroner the distribution of CD-ROMs brings. Sun makes a server with the free Linux operating system available for those students and teachers who want to download StarOffice 6.0.
"UNI-C exists to help the Danish educational world, so we're naturally very pleased to be able to distribute this type of initiative from Sun", says Dorte Olesen, director of UNI-C.
The world's undisputedly most wide-spread office system is Microsoft Office, although this does not exist in a version that can be used on computers with Linux as the operating system.
Because of Microsoft's dominance in both office and operating systems, several government institutions are working on creating alternatives, primarily the combination of Linux and StarOffice.
If all 1.1 million students and teachers make use of the offer, the total value will, according to Sun Microsystems, be around 200 million kroners.
--Joakim Ziegler
The GPL firmly kills any chances of a bait and switch. If SUN tried to tighten the screws they could switch to open office...
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All schools in Denmark? HUGE HUGE Win for Open Source and Linux.
The support costs alone from the 1 million or so students will make sure Redhat stays profitable for a really long time.
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Anyone interested in doing something along these lines, and avoiding M$'s protection racket ("y'know, for a few dollars a year per station, I could make sure that you don't get hassled by software license audits"), should check out k12ltsp.org. With corporate donation programs starting to pass along some decent hardware to schools, a kick-ass lab can be had for just the cost of the networking infrastructure.
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Denmark must have made the move simply to save money because in this day and age it makes no sense to teach on anything but a Windows system unless the class is specifically geared to teach something else like working in a Unix environment. As much as I support Linux and as much as I don't like Microsoft's grip on the OS market, Windows is still the standard. It makes a lot more educational sense to be teaching people Windows instead of Linux.
Gotta say I can't bring myself to support this move at all.
...mmmmm...danish...
Its because people don't bother to report on people switching to Windows, it's a given fact that you were probably running Windows to begin with.
Now there has been stories where places have switched to back TO Windows on slashdot before. I recall one from last year.
Free means no restrictions, ironic the FSF's GPL forces restrictions, isn't it? What's your definition of free?
& for many years they've been switching to Windows more 'n more.
Sun is making StarOffice available free for Danish schools--that's pretty much all the story is. Not really news since Sun has been promoting StarOffice pretty widely. The schools are under no obligation to use StarOffice, and it sounds like there is no Linux involved at all (except the server from which you can download StarOffice)--it might all be StarOffice for Windows that is being talked about here.
You have NOOOO idea how often I have to deal with that. I'm Dutch, and I live in the US. For some reason Americans have a real problem differentiating the Dutch and the Dannish. :(
Sig.i>
An agreement between silicon Valley based Sun Microsystems and UNI-C has resulted in a free available download of office suite 6.0 for all school pupils, teaches and students in general.
Alternatively they can buy the program at cost , 10kr per unit. Schools can buy them in quantities of 50.
Sun has made and agreement with UNI-C following the guidelines, that Secretary of Education Ulla Tørnæs (Liberal Party) published on October 30'th, for how educational institutions heeds to act when offered free office suites. One of the requirement is that like offerings impose no cost on the government and the UNI-C IT-Center for research and Education handles the distribution. UNI-C covers its cost thru the 10kr charge for the physical CD-Rom. Sun provides a server with the free Linux OS installed for the students and the teachers that wishes to download StarOffice 6.0.. UNI-C mission in life is to help the Danish educational area, so we are delighted to act as a go between for such an offering from Sun, states Dorte Olesen, Managing Director. for UNI-C.
The worlds undisputed leader in office systems is Microsoft's Office, that does exist in a version that runs on the Linux OS.
Due to Microsoft's dominant position of the Office productivity domain as well as the underlying OS is causing more and more public institutions to seek out alternatives. Primary the combination Linux and StarOffice.
If all 1.1 million students , teachers uses the offering the combined value of the gift from Sun Microsystems will be around 200 million kroner.
Help fight continental drift.
"Sun has agreed to provide Staroffice for free, or on a CD-ROM for 10 Danish crowns ($1.5)."
Wow...1.1 million kids are going to have to share one CD-Rom? Anybody have a couple hundred CD-R drives ready?
In a stunning speech a few hours ago, President George Bush declared Denmark a "den of malcontents and terrorists". And announcing to the UN in an emergency security session the need to: "bomb the hell out of them" for obvious stockpiling weapons of mass destruction and denying their people American software, goods and services.
Denmark, whose main exports include those silly little wooden shoes and tulips, was unavailable for comment.
In other news, Microsoft led a resounding stock rally.
For free software to skolebrug From KELD LOUIE PEDERSEN Denmark 11, millions skoleelever , students and teachers can be actually turn Microsoft Corporation the back. At least at a pinch kontorprogrammer. A agreement between Silicon Valley - the activity Sun Micrososystems Inc and UNI C implies , that country skoleelever , students and teachers for free can be downloads kontorprogrammet StarOffice 60 from Sun and freely put in that at their hjemmecomputer. Alternatively can be they purchase that at a CD ROM to absolute cost price : kr. a piece The schools can be purchase StarOffice to boxes à 50 piece. Sun has making the agreement by UNI C after they guideline , that undervisningsminister Ulla Tørnæs V ) published the 30. october by , how uddannelsesinstitutioner shall relationships themselves , catching they become quotation for free kontorprogrammer. Amid the demands is , that such softwaredonationer is all expenses paid by the commonwealth , and that UNI C Denmark IT - center by research and degree shall stand by the distribution from licenses. UNI C gets his spending overlayed via they kr , that the distribution from CD - Roman producing. Sun sets a servercomputer by that for free Linux oprativsystem at the disposal of they skoleelever , students and teachers , there hope that downloads StarOffice 60. UNI C is why to to be of use the danish uddannelsesverden , so vi is naturally pleased to could morning a such specifically initiative from Sun , says Dorte Olesen adm. dir by UNI C. Universe unconditionally best widespread kontorsystem is Microsoft Officer , there however no exist to a version , so that applies to the computer by Linux that executive program. On account of Microsofts dominans in såvel bureau - that the executive program works settled several public authorities at that give rise to alternatives primary the combination Linux and StarOffice. Of which all 11, millions skoleelever , students and teachers using themselves from the quotation , bishop the collected asset according to Sun Microsystems up to ca. 200 millions features. louiedk@jpdk
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Actually it doesn't say that any schools are switching to linux at all. Just that schools are being offered free copies of StarOffice from Sun. End of story.
There are all sorts of reasons to use Linux in schools. One being the Thin client model found at K 12 Linux.
Saskboy's blog is good. 9 out of 10 dentists agree.
This is something that needs to happen on a larger scale here in the U.S. If Sun were smart, they'd provide obscenely cheap and even easier to install distributions for schools, churches, charities and students. Not that its not already out there - but I'm talking about some slick ad campaigns, seminars, tutorials and all sorts of stuff that would encourage the non /.'r to get out there and get it installed.
Yeah, Apple has been trying to do this for years with their education program. Then again, they're not offering obscenely cheap software that is easy to install on donated Pentium III's.
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Apparently Hemos didn't read or understand anything in the article except what the submitter posted.
..., submit it to Slashdot saying "This article (in Mongolian) says that every computer user in Mongolia is being mandated to switch to Linux and OpenOffice. Microsoft has, of course, tried to prevent this, but we told them to get lost." And it would be accepted!!!??? And THAT is journalism????
So I could put up a website, fill it with something like...
"l;jq fodsu alfjkls ahjrlah jkslfas Linux l arl4kj ajksdhflkjsah j afsfgd af hsfd Linux kjhwrjk wajklsf hdlsahf OpenOffice lahlkjfkajfd wahekhj ahi ghksafhjd ufw gjsakgf hjdsssag hj gfeyuigza67 ghuc gje4 g2hjg Linux. Dwkhj fdoisads Microsoft lskjfskjha rekjh kwsjkh kjs hjkshkj kjd."
I know, I know, a Danish is a breakfast pastry, right? (sense 2: light sweet yeast-raised roll usually filled with fruits or cheese) Dutch is where each person pays for their own food.
Don't take the errors personally, (we) Americans are pretty clueless what goes on abroad, and at home (have you heard of the Pennsylvania "Dutch"?). A surprising number can't name the President, or explain the Supreme Court's interpretation of the 11th amendment. On the other hand, let me ask *you* a few questions about American, Mr. Resident Alien..... Yes, you probably know more than I do, don't show off. And it's pretty darn inconsiderate that Dutch doesn't sound at all like "Holland" or "The Netherlands," but does sound a lot like "Deutsch."
I've at least visited the Netherlands and thought Copenhagen was great! (A joke! Really!)
When you live in a country that's big enough to confuse you, you're less likely to look abroad for additional confusion.
It does not mention anything about schools switching to Linux.
a ^= b; b ^= a; a ^= b;
The article was written in Danish, guy. The "you didn't even read the article" thing doesn't work here, considering that only a minute per-cent of Slashdotters understand Danish. Perhaps this person is one of the majority.
Don't get me wrong the LTSP stuff is great but to hard to manage in my experience. If you wish to deploy the linux desktop load a bare minimum install to the client (yes that means you need a drive in the machine). Use a redhat kickstart to install the clients. The kickstart install should replace the inittab with one pointing x windows at your terminal server. Most all refurb and currently installed clients have drives anyhow. Now on the server the only thing to do is turn on XDM and you have a full up system
LTSP requires a ton of configuration and requires boot rom's and nfs to mount root drives. This is to many pieces and parts to fail. I run hundred's of clients in this fashion and it requires darn near 0 effort to maintain by the sysadmin.
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If ony something like this were to happen here in Slovenia, where schools seem to be owned by Microsoft.
Even people graduating from CS hardly konw Linux even exists. And those who do, usually drop out of college during first 2 years. That's what I did...
Riiiiight....not the center of the universe...please name a country that has been worried over, fought over, looked to for, etc since 1950. You can't. I'm not saying that trends don't start elseware, and that this _isn't_ a signifigant tbing for Linux vs. M$, its just that in the battle for acceptance over M$, it has to be the current leader (U.S.) or no one else to lead the charge. Steps like these, however, will certainly inspire others inside the "keep of the evil giant". GO Denmark!
Why not OpenOffice?
I don't know about you guys, but OpenOffice has a tendency to crash. A lot.
Gimme Gnumeric + AbiWord over OpenOffice OR StarOffice ANY day.
Sig.i>
Look, I work at a school that has converted itself to Open/Staroffice. I just love the way some people assume that no one can change the way they do things anymore or that if they have to, there must be a financial reason behind it. If the past is any indication of the future - there's a hell of a lot more change coming.
Case in point: One of the arguments made against using Open/StarOffice here was this very thing - that everyone would have to learn something new. A few of the teachers were concerned about our conversion to Open/StarOffice; this was my basic response:
1) Yep. That's what we do - we learn new things here at school. You expect the students to learn new things. Well, once in a while, the teachers must adjust also.
2) This is hardly the first time (and probably won't be the last time) that we have changed office-type software. As I had only been at the school one year prior to this, I did some checking.
Before using Office 97, they were using 95. Before that, some were using Word for DOS, some Works. Before that, Wordperfect. Before that, XYwrite and Visicalc. Etc. Change is inevitable.
The big difference here is that there's a lot more in common between Open/StarOffice and MS Office than MS Office and say, the Wordperfect suite. Sometimes, I think that people that slam on the usability and 'retraining' costs, haven't bothered TRYING it themselves! It's not that hard folks, really.
3) Standardizing on Open/StarOffice lets us give a FREE copy of Openoffice.org to every student, every teacher, every parent (should they want it). Truly a win/win situation here! No more BS with students showing up with a paper they typed at home and not being able to open it at school.
4) Which teacher would like to give up his/her position to enable us to afford licensing for Office XP (yes, I was serious!)
For us. the REAL question was - can the replacement software do EVERYTHING the last one could - at least for what we use it for? For the teachers and students the answer was a definate 'yes'.
I won't even get into the biggest advantage of all. Being able to use a cross-platform office suite means having the ability to GO cross-platform at some future date. Whether we do or not will depend on Microsoft.
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Penn State and Pitt are "semi-private" Commonwealth affiliated institutions. They get interesting tax status, charge in-state students less, and get some Commonwealth funding.
Then there are the more traditional state colleges: Lock Haven, IUP, Shippensburg(??), etc.
We support it at the school because Sun FUNDS OpenOffice.org's continued development. Nothing wrong with either version, but you do get a few extras with StarOffice - not to mention killer support.
"...Well, there's egg and bacon; egg sausage and bacon; egg and spam; egg bacon and spam; egg bacon sausage and spam..."
Well, it's true, it's more abour StarOffice than Linux, but Sun's loads better than Microàoft anyway, so dont' complain :)
:) )
The thing is that once Linux is in there they will be fascinated about it and won't let it go anymore, that'sgood news !
(about your China issue, I agree with the "China Bans Windows" part, which is actually true, or was true at the beginning of this year, but the second part's a it to utopic
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that's some of the dumbest FUD I've heard in a long time. Germany's bundestag switched, brazil certainly loves the penguin, and denmark switched their schools. So where do you get off saying that the US is the only way to get things to change? Just because the US was the leader in the 1950-2000 era certainly does not mean that the change won't come from abroad. It's that kind of ignorance and defeatism that hinders the progress and adoption of the OSS community.
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I suggest that everyone intrested in alternate office suites check out OpenOffice which is like StarOffice without the fat. I have used MS Office products for the last 8 years almost exclusively and I can honestly say that OpenOffice is ready for the needs 99%+ of MS Office users. I am already using features in OpenOffice like Cross-Referencing and automated indexing that I never figured out in Word (if they exist, which they probably do.)
I started my first real project with it 2 days ago (which is documentation for a program I wrote) and everything is moving quite smoothly.
Overall, it is both Free and highly recommended by me. If you want to ditch office please look at OpenOffice!
Hi,
I'm from Denmark, I can read the article, so I figured I'd clear up a few things:
An entity, which is called UNI-C, has reached an agreement with Sun Microsystems about distribution of their StarOffice package. Schools, teachers and students will be able to get the software for free if they download it (from a linux server, running on the danish school network known as Sektornet) or for a fee of ~ $1.50 on a CD.
UNI-C is a semigovermental entity, that does networking for the public school system and the universities, hosts the DIX (Danish Internet eXchange) and things like that. Danish law says, that for a public school to accept free software, the software must be of no expense to the state, and its ditribution must be handled by UNI-C.
So, in conclusion, no, every school in Denmark is not switching to Linux. They may switch to StarOffice, on some platform.
But hey, it's a step in the right direction...
Oh, and merry x-mas everyone.
Bo
Really? I have not used openoffice for very long yet, (only several hours of word processing) but it has been 100% solid so far.
Okay, can you tell me (without looking it up) the difference between Paraguay and Uruguay? How about Zaire and Zimbabwe? There are a very large number oc countries in the world, and I don't think it's reasonable to expect people to know about even half of them that well. Have you never confused one country for another?
This attitude that americans are the only people who are capable of mistaking one country for another is getting really old. When you live in a country of this size it's pretty easy to forget the difference between Sweden and Switzerland, especially when neither country has much obvious impact on your life.
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In a full press release made available shortly after President Bush's recent speech attacking Denmark, the Administration outlined suspicions linking the Lego Corporation of Denmark to Al Quaida and the attack on the World Trade Centre.
Apparently, the attack was planned using a 43,000 lego brick scale model of the two towers. The Administration suspects direct involvement by Lego Corporation's scaled modelling experts and has now declared Lego products a Weapon of Mass (Modelling) Destruction. The Administration is now compiling a list of all people who have made substantial Lego purchases in the last few week and will be immediately calling them in for questioning and possible detention over the next few days.
I'm Danish, and have just read the article. It doesn't say that all schools will be making the switch to Linux.
It just says that Sun is offering StarOffice for free to all schools and their students.
Which basically means, that maybe a few percent of them will run StarOffice on Windows, but I seriously doubt that a significant percentage will be switching to Linux.
Besides, this is about business not politics. And Europe alone is a much bigger market than the US. And then we're not even talking about India. Billy didn't go there for fun.
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While individuals and small installations may go back to Windows, I suspect that for most large installations, the cost advantages and reliability of Linux are so compelling that they tend to stay with it.
Sun has offered FREE licenses of Star Office for every student/teacher in all danish schools. It can be downloaded for free, or they can buy a cd for about $1.5.
Mind you these are windows versions we are talking about. No mention of Linux anywhere.
Denmark is flirting with Linux but so far nothing solid has materialized. Time will tell I suppose.
More info about Uni-C (in English):
http://www.uni-c.dk/generelt/english/index.html
- Peter Brodersen; professional nerd
Okay, can you tell me (without looking it up) the difference between Paraguay and Uruguay?
:-)
Sure, no problem. Uruguay is the one by the Atlantic Ocean, Paraguay is the one which is land locked. Montevideo is the capital of Uruguay, Ascuncion (sp?) of Paraguay. As far as I know, getting to Paraguay over land has not been that easy in the past.
How about Zaire and Zimbabwe?
No problem either. Zaire is now know as the "Democratic" Republic of Congo, or for those who cannot utter the word democratic and Congo in the same sentence: Congo-Kinshasa. As opposed to Congo-Brazzaville on the other side of the river. The country is the major supplier of coltan (a tantalum mineral) for your favourite PlayStation 2.
Zimbabwe is one the other side of the African continent (Eastern) bordering Mozambique to the south. Famous for its senile and coleric quasidictatorial führer Mugabe.
Honestly, I see a deep and fundamental difference between the attitude towards the diversity of the world's nations among the Americans I have met and the (mainly) Europeans I know and have met.
I cannot claim that there are not countries I would have difficulty to place on a map but then we are getting into the realm of small island nations in the Pacific etc. (Think I could find Nauru on an otherwise unmarked map.
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Years ago, the Pennsylvania Deutsch
were similarly renamed Pa. Dutch...
Go figure!
That you don't understand any language besides english?
I don't think this is true exactly. Sun is the copyright holder, they can distribute the software on any terms that they wish. I think that's why they can link Open-office with closed-source libraries like the template code and other extras and sell it as StarOffice.
It's only fair though. Sun bought the star-office code for a lot of money and released it GPL. They didn't have to do that, but they did. They also put quite a few developers and other resources into managing the resulting open-office.
Just as with Mozilla and AOL, I'm sure a large part of the work going into open office today is still on Suns dime.
If Sun wanted to tighten the screws as you said, all they'd have to do is remove some of the developers that they have on OO and put them on StarOffice only code; although I don't think they have any reason to do that.
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Now, what was your question again?
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send + more == money?
Do you realize that your answer to the parent post does little more than strengthen the first point that the parent post made?
As to the remainder of your post, Linux and other open sourced software is steadily gaining momentum in many establishments in many countries outside of America. There is no need for a 'charge' as you put it. The current 'steady progression' will prevail quite nicely.
Slightly OT, but I sometimes wonder if Americans (USA) realize just how many people outside of their country look to America (USA) with a growing distaste. Oops, mod -1 unamerikan.
Oh, please! Making lame excuses for ignorance dosen't help the fact that most Americans are clueless to what happends outside America, which is just what your government wants. How else should they be able to drag you around by the nose, if you knew more about the rest of the world.
China uses the same kind of system to keep their people in line, only their system is more rude, so you notice it for what it is from time to time.
And I know perfectly well the difference between Paraguay and Uruguay etc. Strange thing is, that when playing in the US-West realm on Battle.Net, I seem to know more about the US than most Americans playing there?!?
If I were you, I'd begin to ask myself, why you think you don't need to know about the rest of the world, and perhaps if that idea isen't you own!
-H
For me it works ok. :)
But then, hey i've used it in linux and sometimes even in win. i have it in mac also but i find no use for it as i have appleworks...
Microsoft Works is not an abortion, it's an oxymoron
Like 'Taped live', 'Military Intelligence', 'Tax Return' or 'Government Organisation'
OXYMORON n.: A rhetorical figure in which an epigrammatic effect is created by the conjunction of incongruous or contradictory terms
More oxymorons here and here (and I'm sure you can search google for more.
P.S. Could someone please explain what 'Commonwealth affiliated' means in one of the replies above, for the benefit of us UK folk, to whom 'Commonwealth' means something probably quite different.
I guess this post must've been written in COBOL, and that would mean that I too can speak COBOL. It looks pretty much like plain english, isn't it hard to write en unambigous compiler for something like this?
Of course I might be wrong, AND stupid...
Enig? Det alt for hot det smor!
Hopefully, you're the one that's joking.
In an open world, you can use your spreadsheet app, I can use my spreadsheet app, and we can work together at the document-format layer. That's where oo, koffice, and the rest of the office upstarts need to be heading.
Go ahead and use star/openoffice, if you prefer it. I'll keep using gnumeric, because I prefer it. When I need to send you the quarterly report, it won't make any difference.
What is really bad is MS-Word file format support. When I have OO Writer file of 100K and export it to MS Word doc format I get 20M. That export has certainly a bug somewhere.
Less is more !
"Sun has agreed to provide Staroffice for free, or on a CD-ROM for 10 Danish crowns ($1.5)."
And how, exactly, is this dumping any different than the tactics Microsoft uses?
Your country is smaller than your penis.
:)
How did you know? Is this Heather?
It points out both that MS Office doesn't run on Linux (why would it be relevant that StarOffice runs on Linux unless they're considering moving to Linux?)
And in the next paragraph it says that several public institutions are working to move from MS products (Windows/Office), primarily to Linux/StarOffice.
What it all leads up to is that this application is ready to move to Linux. Of course that doesn't mean that other software might hold them back on Windows.
Kjella
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Oil is expensive, but not nearly as expensive as the cost of invasion. Or war. Saving several million, or even several hundred million, doesn't stand up to the billions of greenbacks that a war with Iraq would require.
A stupid move on Bush's part? Yes. Done for shady reasons with crappy motivations? Yes. Are oil prices part of that motivation? Not really.
The US doesn't get that much of its oil from Iraq. It's not like there aren't other members of OPEC willing to sell to us. Or Texas, for that matter.
You cannot apply a technological solution to a sociological problem. (Edwards' Law)
In this context, the term refers back to language first used in the charter given to William Penn that the King of England signed off on in 1732.
I believe Massachusetts and Virginia also formally style themselves as commomwealths. There may be others.
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How about so one large entity (schools/gov't org) can count on full support from another org (Sun)? Such organizations are not the type of entity that will populate mailing lists or newsgroups seeking support, they want a single source that is certain to deal with any problem they have right now.
This isn't a dig at openoffice, it is simply a fact that the openoffice people are not setup for providing support the same way that Sun is. This fact is one of the reasons that the corporation that is RedHat is the biggest and most successful linux distro to date because they are a single corporate entity that will support their product faster and better than a newsgroup can (or mailing list). These common free means of support are fine for individuals but don't cut it for corporations or government entities.
Sun and Staroffice were the right choice in this, given the requirements. Besides, large entities supporting Staroffice are by default also supporting Openoffice as they are fully compatible with each other. The important thing, the KEY thing, is that something other than M$ Office is being adopted in a big way and this will continue. The growth of corporations and governments adopting Staroffice also supports openoffice. It is win-win.
In Bushworld, they struggle to keep church and state separate in Iraq as they increasingly merge the two in America.
The thinking is a bit outdated and backwards. So many district levels are clueless ppl that they tend to depend on 1 person (normally a MS type person) to tell them how to do things. The trick is to teach the MS type how to do Linux and to keep it below the radar of MS itself.
Right now, I am helping a school district install SquidGuard on a used box to deal with cida. My next step will be to build a box for he office that has hylafax, sane, and cups for the office. I have told them about GIMP for MS/Mac and FilmGIMP. I have been talking to them about using diskless work stations and will show them shortly.
Sadly, the admin who has a clue tried to get them to use OpenOffice to save some money, but they talked to a MS person and decided to use MS Office. Considering that we (Colorado) are in a major recession and spiralling downwards, they did not need this expense.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
Typical European response. You guys have no sense of humor. We should have left you to Germany 60 years ago.
- - - If the sun is a star, why can't I see it at night?
...Dane. Will this make you mark me Redundant?
So if your country's name is Netherlands, why are all of the exports from your country labeled "Made in Holland"?
Seems like you would refer to yourselves the way you wish to be called, eh?
You're not a Limburger by any chance, are you?
I've visited areas of The Netherlands where folks were quick to point out the fact you just mentioned, and objected loudly to the whole country being referred to as Holland. So why is it that every single souvenier I have ever seen from your country is labeled "Made in Holland"? Once your country reaches a concensus on what to call itself, then you have my permission to go around evangalizing others on the topic.
And by the way, others might have known what to call your country if it had been identified in the World Cup earlier this year. Oops!
Sincerely,
Randy Oostdyk
And what's wrong with 30+ year old technology? Why the hell are we using "DVD"s when we should be using videotapes?? CD's? Screw that. I want records. Anti-lock brakes and fuel injectors in cars? No way. I want 2 drum brakes and a carbureator. What's with this "progress" thing, anyway? Computers shouldn't be any easier to use. They should be just as difficult as they were in the 1970's. After all, that's what technology is all about. Not changing. Not progressing. Now damn it, where's my reel to reel tape drive and my 300 baud modem?
Do one-liners really need to require a body? Feh!
The REAL jabber has the user id: 13196
What you do today will cost you a day of your life
Someone who cannot read Danish writes: "All schools in Denmark switching to Linux"
I've been running OpenOffice.org at home on Windows XP since February, when I bought my new PC with no Excel license. (Dude, I got a Dell as cheap as I could, with Microsoft Works.)
In April, I moved all my financial records to the new PC, and installed RedHat on the old PC, thus losing my legal capability to run Excel, except via Wine or re-installing Windows on the old PC. I use OOo's spreadsheet daily on the new PC and have yet to see a crash.
The OOo betas did crash. If you haven't tried OOo since the beta days, you should take another look.
There aren't even that many kings in Denmark!
Aside from the joke...
The term "crown" referring to a monetary unit comes from the fact that some old coins had a bas-relief crown stamped into them. It's analogous to the term "Benjamin" referring to a 100 USD note, which carries a picture of Benjamin Franklin.
Will I retire or break 10K?
Even the American kids jump in, out of genuine protest (over what? aren't we plundering the world for their benefit
Just so's you know, Americans are aware that other people, especially Europeans, often raise an eyebrow at us. Out of politeness due a senile ancestor, we rarely mention how impressed we are by this.
Shame on them.
1.1 million students
Wow. I didn't realize Denmark was so small. Here in the US, cities like Chicago, LA, and New York probably have that many students in their school districts. I wonder if any of them would consider switching to Linux? It would save them a ton of money if they had good Linux administrators.
As the son of a high school computer teacher, I know that Macintosh makes really great offers to elementary and high schools for Mac computers.
.001 percent
of the student population used *nix boxes in their dorm/house.
A whole lot of schools pick them up, and kids learn Macs in school.
Then they go to college and buy a Windows box.
Just because the school is adopting an OS doesn't mean businesses or consumers will, it just means more business for Linux admins in Denmark schools.
Heck, they have Unix boxes at my old college, and only
"Slightly OT, but I sometimes wonder if Americans (USA) realize just how many people outside of their country look to America (USA) with a growing distaste. Oops, mod -1 unamerikan."
there's a growing sentiment of that inside the US too. I, for one, would like to move to Canada sometime in the next decade...
In SOVIET RUSSIA... erm...NSA AMERICA, the Internet logs onto YOU!
Bill: Oh look Balmer! The .NET signal is in the air! Quick! To the Software Choice Cave!
Balmer: Holy Linux, Billman!
The article does not claim that the schools are switching. It only says that staroffice will be available for download. Here is a quick translation with a few typos
Free software for school use
Denmarks 1,1 million school pupils, students and teacher can now turn to back to microsoft. At least with respect to office programs.
A deal between the silicon valley company Sun Micrososystems Incorporated and UNI-C causes that all the school pupils, students and teachers can download the office program Startoffice for free and install it on their home computwer. Alternatively they can buy it on a CD-ROM for the price of frabrication: 10 kr per CD (This is about 1 $). The schools can buy staroffice i packages of 50 cd's
The deal that Sun made with UNI-C follows the directions laid out by minister of education Ulla Tørnæs. They were made public October 30th, and they describe how institutions of education must act when offered office programs for free
One of the demands are that such donations do not cost the state any money, another demand is that UNI-C (The IT-center of research and education of Denmark) must administrate and distribute the licences.
UNI-C will have its expenses covered through the 10 kr that the CD's cost. Sun will provide a server with the cost-free OS Linux for the pupils, students and teachers who wish to download StarOffice 6.0.
>>UNI-C exists to help the danish education world, so of course we are happy to be able to mediate such a special initiative from Sun, says Dorthe Olesen, administrative director of UNI-C.
The most used office system in the world Microsoft Office, does not have a version for Linux
Because of the dominance of Microsoft in office and operative systems, a growing number of state owned institutions work on creating alternatives - primarily a combination of starofice and Linux
If all 1,1 milion pupils, students and teachers use the offer, the total value is about 200 million kr (20 mil $) (says sun)
In Danish the word for a crown and for the currency is the same, though they don't mean the same. ie, its incorrect to call the currny crown, its Kroner (and not ment to be translated)
If Google really cared they would fix Android Chrome to reflow text, instead of discriminating
Oh oh, now slashdot has done it - the linked to the newspaper Politikken - previously the danish newspapers have been after danish sites who liked to them. They said it was leeching on their work, and threathened court action - the small sites buckled down in fear then...
If Google really cared they would fix Android Chrome to reflow text, instead of discriminating
Holland and the Netherland represent the same name, just in two different ancient(?) sublanguages. Both mean "Low Land" -- Hol-land, Nether-land.
Us linux users LOVE SUN and we LOVE denmark, oh hell, if denmark gives me a free T1, can i set up a linux portal site there? LOL
As a Texan, it is most degrading to be associated with California.
I hear you. I can see how it would be most problematic for you to be associated with concern for the environment, tourism or intelligence.
== Jez ==
Do you miss Firefox? Try Pale Moon.
... but as the US has consistently proved in the past decade and still not caught on to is that they're not the center of the universe... UNIX has been a staple of Computer Science since the 70s ...
:-)
The US still wins, Unix is a US invention (AT&T, UC Berkeley) embraced by the world, and as you point out the center of the computing universe now and for decades to come.
Good, with a large school system using Linux, we'll soon have a pool of virus writers that can beat the MS ones.
Seriously.
this is not a sig
I rest my case.
-H
Ditto, the urge is getting stronger every week or so.
I live in a giant bucket.
Yes, the instal program is stupid. They know it, they're working on it.
What we do is install it by trickery. I assume here that you are using Windows 2000 or XP. First, I do a localized network install. Then from that directory, I install it as a user who will serve as my 'template' for that machine.
Once I get that template set up, I then copy that profile (using the profile copier under 'system'), to 'Default User'. This way, every user on that machine should get the standard setup.
DISADVANTAGE: If this computer is to be used in a lab, or by multiple users, keep in mind that one user can change the settings for EVERY user. So far, this hasn't been much of a problem, but it certainly is a possibility.
Let me know if you need to know more...
"...Well, there's egg and bacon; egg sausage and bacon; egg and spam; egg bacon and spam; egg bacon sausage and spam..."
That's some ratio alright!
Anyway, I can't speak for the nature of your document contents, but OOo formats are compressed. Some MS Office formats are not - stuff a JPG image in a Word 97 document, and the file size explodes!
zWhat would an EWOULDBLOCK block, if an EWOULDBLOCK could block would? -- me
The article says (I've read it, am Danish myself) that StarOffice will be made available to the Danish education system at a symbolic cost, and that many public institutions are researching alternatives to the M$ lock-in. It's nothing close to a massive Win->Linux switch - remember, StarOffice works under Windows as well.
MeThinks Hemos should apologise for such a goof. It's wildly misleading, and lots of followups takes the article at face value.
I'm in a Unix state of mind.
There are three schools of magic. One: State a tautology, then ring the
changes on its corollaries; that's philosophy. Two: Record many facts.
Try to find a pattern. Then make a wrong guess at the next fact; that's
science. Three: Be aware that you live in a malevolent Universe controlled
by Murphy's Law, sometimes offset by Brewster's Factor; that's engineering.
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