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Games of the Year

markpapadakis writes "Gamespot and Gamespy have released their top games for 2002. Gamespot features worse game of the year as well as some additional categories."

241 comments

  1. I know my favourite. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Spot the dupe on /.
    But it's getting too easy now...

  2. FP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    fp

  3. fp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    fp fp fp fp fp fp fp first post! Yaaaaaaagh!!!!!!!!!

  4. I have the by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    premire posting, but it just ain't the same on Christmas. Merry Christmas!

    Why does Santa have three gardens? So he can ho, ho, ho!

  5. This is better.. by new_breed · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Penny Arcade has some of the best games of the year as well ;)

    We're Right part one

    We're Right part two

    1. Re:This is better.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, I love their "Best Multiplayer Game Where You Lose in Like Thirty Seconds": Warcraft III

      Warcraft III online is basically, follow a strict formula for your race, and hope you don't make a nano second's mistake since it will cost you the game.

      Age of Mythology, IMHO, is much more enjoyable, since you can take different paths and still remain competitive.

  6. On a related note... by sinnyin · · Score: 2, Informative

    Be sure to check out the Shacknews GOTY awards.

    I like this list better because it was created via poll results and not just editor opinions.

    1. Re:On a related note... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      readers opinions SUCK. those are kiddies voting that have only played the hyped games.
      also that site's categories blow big time. zelda lttp in rpg. mario sunshine in rpg/advanture. wtf? metroid is more rpg/advanture than mario but its in 'action'.

  7. Worse game of the year? by xchino · · Score: 2, Funny

    Nah, I know a game that is more worser than that.

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    1. Re:Worse game of the year? by aerojad · · Score: 0

      I know a game even worse than that... mastering verb tenses :)

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    2. Re:Worse game of the year? by malraid · · Score: 2, Funny

      Now that we are at the subjet, maybe you guys could answer a question for me:

      Is it double plus worse, or double minus worse?

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    3. Re:Worse game of the year? by Nasarius · · Score: 2, Funny

      Or perhaps double plus ungooder?

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    4. Re:Worse game of the year? by Mononoke · · Score: 1
      Is it double plus worse, or double minus worse?
      Double plus infinity!

      Nyah nyah nyah!

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    5. Re:Worse game of the year? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      double plus ungood.

    6. Re:Worse game of the year? by packeteer · · Score: 2

      oh yah well i heard about this movie that is dumberer than that...

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    7. Re:Worse game of the year? by Megahurts · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I recall from an appendix to 1984 that one of the goals of Newspeak was to eliminate negative words. Thus, since "worse" is a negatively connotated antonym to better, it would have been removed from the language altogether. Further, since "better" is an elevated for of "good," the term to be used would be "plus ungood." (and for the superlative term "worst," it would be doubleplus ungood)

  8. Only linking to the PC games... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...which is kind of odd, considering the console games market is consistantly larger than the PC one.

    Anyway, the entire feature, with Top 10 lists for PS2, Xbox, GCN, GBA, PC, and 'multiplayer' can be found here.

    Merry Christmas!

    1. Re:Only linking to the PC games... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remember, PC nerds are scared of consoles.

      Pushing a single button to launch a game doesn't give them the enourmous penis size that doing "leet" configurations with top-of-the-line hardware gives them.

    2. Re:Only linking to the PC games... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My penis is always enourmous!

  9. The best game of 2002... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...was duke 4 ever. Wait a sec

    1. Re:The best game of 2002... by ripewithdecay · · Score: 1

      Better yet, wait a year.

      Actually wait five -more- years.

  10. Games by cube00 · · Score: 1

    Funny how gta 3 is in the action genre, isn't it more of an adventure type?

    And what about strategy game WC3? I doubt many people bought Medieval even though it is a good game.. doesn't reach up to WC though in my oppinion.

    Best RPG ? Definitely Morrowind, that game is huge, and quite fun for a long time. So many different quests, and the GFX are still excellent, in comparison with other RPGs it's size.

    1. Re:Games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Kind of looks like adventure games should really be called pixel hunts.

    2. Re:Games by Twirlip+of+the+Mists · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And what about strategy game WC3?

      There's not that much strategy involved in WarCraft 3. It's fun and all, but it's definitely not a game of strategy.

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    3. Re:Games by NortWind · · Score: 1
      Kind of looks like adventure games should really be called pixel hunts.

      Adventure games are not about pixel hunts. Sometimes a poorly made game has these in it, but the main distinguishing feature of adventure games has always been that thinking through problems will solve the game. Some games can get very tough in places, I've written several UHS hint files to get people over the sticking spot without ruining the whole game for them. If you'd like to try a nice adventure game by an individual author, check out Dark Fall.

    4. Re:Games by Battle_Ratt · · Score: 1

      Yea there is a strategy, get lucky and get the elves, get to starfall, and win the game.
      I have no idea how this game won. I have played it through the entire single player, and logged over 100 multi player games with close friends, (up to 6 way FFA's) and in all our opinions this just was not the game it could have been. Good but not great. Best of the year, no.

    5. Re:Games by JebusIsLord · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      uhm, you finished the single player and logged 100 games and you DON'T LIKE IT VERY MUCH???

      How much time do you spend playing games you DO like??

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    6. Re:Games by gl4ss · · Score: 2

      he said it was fun and all.

      he just said it didn't have anything to do with strategy games.

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    7. Re:Games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you play against good players, the games don't last long enough for your PotM to get to level 6. THis is not because they are much better than you but because good players know that advantages can be gained or lost very early in the game. Losing a supply building early in the game can slow you down much more than if you had lost it later in the game. If you do end up getting starfall many experienced players know how to stop it. Most of the ladder player use 2 heros, so the chances of getting one to lvl 6 is harder.

      The game can be played strategically or just by building units. However, the game is won by people who 'strategically' choose certain unit types over others. The diversity of the units makes is much greater than starcraft/warcraft2. There is always a unit X that is effective against unit Y, but is also extra vulnerable to unit Z.

      The longer the games get, the less strategic it becomes, but like I said the better (ladder) players strike early using a strategic combo of units, and it is you to decide whether you should prepare to defend (and with what type of units), or mount an assault.

      Your definition of 'straegy' may be different from mine, but there is strategy in the game, maybe not as much as civ but it sure is not a mouse clicking game. The casual player may not see it or care for that matter. The hardcore players will learn the ins and outs of every single unit, and use them in their army accordingly.

      If you ever have the chance to chat with a highly ranked ladder player, and discuss strategies... when they explain why they choose certain combinations of units, their explanations show that a lot of strategic thought has been put into their choice.

    8. Re:Games by Alsee · · Score: 1

      >uhm, you finished the single player and logged 100 games and you DON'T LIKE IT VERY MUCH???
      How much time do you spend playing games you DO like??


      I can't speak for him, but I think I'm creaping up on the 10,000 mark on the Starfleet Command series. I don't think I'm going to get SFC3 though. From what I hear it's massively dumbed down. Sigh.

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    9. Re:Games by mustangdavis · · Score: 4, Interesting
      There's not that much strategy involved in WarCraft 3. It's fun and all, but it's definitely not a game of strategy.


      Obviously, you haven't played WC3 enough to make that judgement ...

      I used to think the same thing when I first started plaing it, but then, after a week of plaing it, I realized that this game has a TON of strategy! I used to be a big Age of Empires buff, and thought that this game paled in comparison to WC3 when it came to stratgey, but I found out that I was very mistaken ....

      In fact, the strategy in WC3 is unbelievible! You have to micro-manage EVERYTHING! Loosing just a couple more units in one battle can turn the tide of a game. Healing units is VERY important, as is managing the limited gold on the map. I have won MANY games where I had less resources, produced feweer units, and had less technology than my enemies .... and these were high ranked players! How is this possible, you may ask?? STRATEGY!!!

      Try playing the game for a month or so against some better players, and you will see what I mean. It took me to see it to believe it myself. WC3 is one of the BEST strategy games out right now. In fact, I quit playing Age of Mythology and went back to WarCraftIII just because I am sick of the shitty stratgey in the Age of xxxxx series (I thought I'd never say that!!!)

      Just my 2 cents ...

    10. Re:Games by Twirlip+of+the+Mists · · Score: 2

      Obviously, you haven't played WC3 enough to make that judgement ...

      Obviously? You jerk. "You disagree with me, and I simply cannot understand how that could be the case if you had all the information, therefore you must necessarily be insufficiently informed."

      In fact, the strategy in WC3 is unbelievible! You have to micro-manage EVERYTHING!

      That's not strategy. That's logistics management. Choosing what units to build because of limited resources-- and god knows they're limited; who the hell thought a maximum of 90 units was an okay idea?-- is not strategy. Strategy is the question of what to do with those units once you've built them. In Warcraft, the answer to that question is, "send them straight up the middle in a massive rush and hope it turns out all right."

      The playing field simply isn't big enough to bring strategy into a Warcraft game. Let's say you need to destroy an enemy's base. Does it make sense to bring in long-range siege weapons and pound his city walls to dust? Well, no, because first of all there are no real long-range siege weapons, and second because there are no real passive defenses like city walls.

      Hell, you can't even control your units in a way that allows you to employ battlefield tactics. How do you lead a charge in Warcraft 3? The best you can do is get your units to wander over there to the enemy units and start hacking away. There's no way to advance under cover in order to break an enemy's line.

      Battles in Warcraft end up looking like a high school cafeteria. Instead of holding strategically important positions and employing defense in depth, the good guys and the bad guys end up in little knots pounding the shit out of each other until everybody dies.

      Warcraft can be a game of logistics, true. But it is not really a game of strategy.

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    11. Re:Games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are obviously mistaking strategy for tactics. Strategy is when you split your units into two groups and use one to bait the enemy into following you before the second group closes behind them. Tactics is how you manage each individual unit of the bait group so as to maximize their usefulness.

      Warcraft 3 is a great tactical game. However, the strategy is really lacking as your attention is required 99% of the time for the tactical battles. The other 1% of the time, by the way, is before you have your military units ;)

      Rob Nelson
      ronelson@vt.edu

    12. Re:Games by Battle_Ratt · · Score: 1
      Well where I work we have a Lan game twice a day. Durring lunch instead of yapping in the lunch room, and one after work. I also spend some time at home playing. We kind of move from game to game as new ones are released, and had 6 months waiting between games we wanted to try, (or would run on our systems) when WC3 came out. It's a follow the crowd thing, so when the office is playing one game, we kinda all have to play it, even if we don't like it much.

      I did like WC3 for about 75-85% of the time we played it, and it had a longer office life than many of the games we have tried, but it wore out a lot quicker than say AOE, or AOM appears to be lasting.

  11. YOU FAIL IT! by anonymous+coword · · Score: 0

    Everyone knows AC's cant have FP, so I claim this FP to fuck ekrout up the ass with!

  12. FROGGER!? by SHEENmaster · · Score: 2

    What about 'classics'!? Everyone in my precal class was hooked on ZTetris. I think I've spent more time on it (1.5 hours 5 days a week) than Quake 3; the games I'm writing shouldn't be included at 8 hours a day 7 days a week.

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    1. Re:FROGGER!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Was Frogger made/released in 2002? NO! Sot stop wasting valuable space that could otherwise be occupied by insightful and intelligent posts.

    2. Re:FROGGER!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At Slashdot??? Are you shitting us???

    3. Re:FROGGER!? by Weffs11 · · Score: 1

      You forget, graphing calculators in high school classrooms are a fairly recent improvment(in sleep prevention). The editors at Gamespot are probaly just to OLD to know about such things.

    4. Re:FROGGER!? by yerricde · · Score: 1

      Was Frogger made/released in 2002?

      Yes. Konami converted Frogger to the GBA and published it as part of Konami Arcade Advanced (IGN review) in 2002.

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  13. Best of 2002 by oateater · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I agree that the best music of any game has to be Mafia. GTA3 Shouldn't of been nomintated for that award, simply because the music in that game sucks. It IS funny, though. UT2003 Really did deserve the best graphics win, and they got it. I only wish my geforce 2 mx could handle it :/ And how about the budget game!! Horray for serious sam. Playing cooperative missions at lan parties made that game great, and I love the graphics. Gamespot made some great choices, although I think Half-Life should still win awards :D

    1. Re:Best of 2002 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your GF2MX won't play UT2003? Maybe you should try some newer drivers from http://guru3d.com . I'm currently running a GF2MX400/64MB and it's silky smooth on my setup. I am running the latest semi-stable drivers I can find though. :)

      AC

    2. Re:Best of 2002 by Mac+Degger · · Score: 2

      Yeah, I agree; I'm a pretty jaded gamer, but when the huge outrageous bosses showed up in my first game of Serious Sam (which was LAN MP to begin with :) ), I flipped...

      That, together with the beginning of the 'Gardens of Cadesh' level in Homeworld (even more deserving of continued praise IMO), are true and utter memorable moments in gaming for me.

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    3. Re:Best of 2002 by n3m6 · · Score: 2

      the only other game that excites me as much as serious sam 2 .. doom ! both gives me the adrenaline one needs when playing a FPS .

    4. Re:Best of 2002 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You meant "shouldn't HAVE", you senseless twit!

    5. Re:Best of 2002 by oateater · · Score: 1

      My graphics card is junk now. The fan fell off after the warrenty expired, and being a poor high school student, i cannot afford to get a new one, so i turned to superglue. it worked, and performs the same, just lost 32 MB of the vid ram in the process. SOO, i have a geforce 2 mx 32 MB "Custom" on my hands. I'm stuck with the BEST two games of all time, IMO, Counter-Strike, and Unreal Tournament. Both games were pioneers in their day :)

    6. Re:Best of 2002 by Chester+K · · Score: 2

      GTA3 Shouldn't of been nomintated for that award, simply because the music in that game sucks. It IS funny, though.

      They're talking about GTA: Vice City, not GTA3. GTA:VC's soundtrack is made up of several hours worth of top hits in various genres from the 80's.

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    7. Re:Best of 2002 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      GTA3 wasn't nominated for best music. GTA: Vice City was. I agree that the music in GTA3 sucks. IMHO However, Vice City has some great music.

    8. Re:Best of 2002 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      Shouldn't of been nomintated...

      FFS man, learn some grammar/spelling...

      shouldn't *have* been nominated

  14. Best Game No One Played on PC by Weffs11 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Moonbase commander, Best Game No One Played on PC.

    Anyone else look for the games that fall through the cracks of marketing and end up in the discount bin? I know there are other poor college kids out there that can't afford $40-50 a game.

    1. Re:Best Game No One Played on PC by Idolminds · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Moonbase Commander is really a terrific game. A few of us on AllOutGames play every once in a while. While the singleplayer is pretty dull, the multiplayer is great fun and worth the price alone. Play a 2 vs 2 game, and you wont want to quit. I wish more people would pick it up.

    2. Re:Best Game No One Played on PC by rmohr02 · · Score: 2

      It wasn't released in 2002, but Tribes 2 (which I found for $15 at Target) is the best computer game I've ever played. It has a few Unhandled Exceptions, but not too many.

    3. Re:Best Game No One Played on PC by stickb0y · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The games that fall through the cracks don't necessarily end up in discount bins. Look at The Neverhood, for example.

    4. Re:Best Game No One Played on PC by sesquiped · · Score: 1

      There's no contest for the best game that nobody's playing: Subspace. Think multiplayer asteroids, but blowing up other people instead of rocks, with varied weapons and specials, and lots of game types, including deathmatch (chaos), ctf (warzone) and soccer (powerball).

      Oh yeah, and it's totally free.

      (In case the site is confusing, you want to download Continuum 0.37)

    5. Re:Best Game No One Played on PC by kin_korn_karn · · Score: 2

      kick ass! I played Subspace several years ago in the beta days (before it went pay the first time). I'll be on there again for sure.

    6. Re:Best Game No One Played on PC by Jagasian · · Score: 2

      Why not describe Subspace in terms of "Space Wars", the first computer game ever? Space Wars ran on the PDP mainframe, and it involved two space ships dueling in space. You have gravity effects, momentum, etc...

      Seems silly to describe Subspace in terms of a game that doesn't share the same gameplay. Not only that, but it is illuminating to see where Subspace truely draws its roots, that is, from the first computer game.

    7. Re:Best Game No One Played on PC by Jagasian · · Score: 2

      A minor correction. "Space Wars" is the name of the later arcade version of the first computer game called "Spacewar". Spacewar is the game that I was referring to, but "Space Wars" is nearly the same game.

    8. Re:Best Game No One Played on PC by CashCarSTAR · · Score: 1

      Damn straight. It's the one thing I keep on coming back to. It has leagues running in practically every zone, and the CTF action can't be beat by ANY game.

      Only problem with is is that it is not very friendly to new players, as the average skill level is rather high, and a kill is difficult in some zones.

    9. Re:Best Game No One Played on PC by sesquiped · · Score: 1

      Nobody that I know has played Space Wars, but just about everyone has played some clone or variant of asteroids. And although the gameplay is very different, the graphics are a bit similar, and I was trying to give people some sort of idea of what they'll see if they try it.

      Btw, one of the more immediate ancestors of subspace was a little demo called "Gravity", by (I think) two of the people on the original ss team. It actually plays very similarly to asteroids, including the lack of backwards thrust, puny one-shot gun, and the fact that it's really fucking hard.

    10. Re:Best Game No One Played on PC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I said it before and I'll say it again. The basic design flaw in moonbase commander is that one of the root ideas of the game is hideously implausible. It's fucking annoying when you miss lobbing in a Crawler or a Shield or an EMP. Why the FUCK don't they have computer-aided aiming? Because it would ruin their whole "vision" for the game.

      It's like making you make your own bullets in an FPS in which you're in the Army.

    11. Re:Best Game No One Played on PC by SomeGuyFromCA · · Score: 1

      Agreed. I'd gladly, say, pay double point costs for computer aiming on one shot. The way it is now is just annoying.

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  15. Re:Favourite Game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Could you post a link? It must have truly been a work of art that should he shared with the rest of us. Thank you.

  16. Mafia by dirvish · · Score: 2

    Mafia was considered for nearly every category it was eligable for in the Gamespot article. I haven't heard of this game, I'll have to check it out. I was glad to see Battlefield 1942 got recognized.

    1. Re:Mafia by oateater · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Mafia is truly a great game. The driving is VERY realistic in my opinion, and it is worth the money. The graphics, the story, hell, even the menus made this game by far my favorite new one of 2002. No multiplayer is the only downfall to this game however.

    2. Re:Mafia by SomeGuyFromCA · · Score: 1

      > The driving is VERY realistic in my opinion

      As my friend Odeen puts it, it's the game of "driving slowly and obeying all traffic laws".

      Wonder why he didn't like Hard Truck: 18 Wheels of Steel, which is basically the same thing, then. ;-P

      Oh, and Mafia loses major points for foreshadowing its ending so heavily you'd have to be not paying attention not to figure out what happens in the last scene.

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  17. uhh HITMAN 2 anyone? anyone? by Rooked_One · · Score: 1

    I thought their choices were quite poor. I'll leave it at that. If youve never played hitman 2, go download the 2 demos. The game is just unbelievable, with so much detail, but manages to run very smooth on my semi old 8500.

  18. Re:uhh HITMAN 2 anyone? anyone? by Weffs11 · · Score: 1

    Most Improved Sequel on PC. They liked Hitman 2.

    After I read the article before posting, I leave now in search of the demos.

  19. Why isnt halflife still winning? by DigitalOxygen · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Come on, 6 years later HL is STILL the best engine out there! Great mods such as NS and DOD. And good work on WC3 blizzard! And BF1942 was great.

    1. Re:Why isnt halflife still winning? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apparently you haven't taken note of the 6 years that have rolled over since Half Life was released... these are the best games of 2002! Wake up, fuckwit!

    2. Re:Why isnt halflife still winning? by DigitalOxygen · · Score: 1

      Watch your mouth. My silly post was to make the point that HL is good enough to continue winning.

    3. Re:Why isnt halflife still winning? by DigitalOxygen · · Score: 1

      What the fuck is your problem? Do you live on this sight? Halflife was a great game, I was making a joke at the time, and now you have gone apeshit. Go do something other than post here.

    4. Re:Why isnt halflife still winning? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      YHBT. YHL. FOADYMFCS.

    5. Re:Why isnt halflife still winning? by Squidgee · · Score: 1
      Half-Life's engine is quite good, as illustrated by NS, DoD, and of course the 100-pound-gorrilla, Counter-Strike. I loved WC3, and have yet to play attlefield 1942, though I taked it it's good, as well.

      Makes me wonder why your comment was modded offtopic, when it seems spot on to me...

      *Shrug*.

    6. Re:Why isnt halflife still winning? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      SUAYSF.

    7. Re:Why isnt halflife still winning? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A 100-pound gorilla would be a really small gorilla.

    8. Re:Why isnt halflife still winning? by RabidOverYou · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but what about a 100 pound gorilla using a wall hack? What about that?

    9. Re:Why isnt halflife still winning? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a really small gorilla!

    10. Re:Why isnt halflife still winning? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Watch your mouth."

      "No."

      There, now we've resolved the issue between the troll and its feeder.

    11. Re:Why isnt halflife still winning? by Type-IIa · · Score: 0

      Yeah but can you imagine a Beowulf Cluster of small gorillas?

  20. Strategy games by Jacek+Poplawski · · Score: 4, Insightful

    All nomined strategy games are RTSes. Worst game is Civ3 multiplayer. I haven't played it (I like single player games), but to me Civ3 is one of best games in last year. Almost every other "strategy" game is RTS (arcade/strategy mixture) or HoMaM-like. Do you remember first Heroes of Might and Magic? It was succesfull only because graphics and simplicity. Today nobody say "HoMaM is for children". In world where RTSes are best strategy games and Civilization is "dissapoiting" (I know it's about mp-add-on, but last year everyone talk how bad Civ3 is) - HoMaM is no more childlish.

    PS. Nobody noticed Moonbase Commander? It was the only strategy (except Civ3) I found fun last months.

    1. Re:Strategy games by rpillala · · Score: 1

      Combat Mission isn't played in real time. It's actually a turn-based game where you have to specify your entire turn before you know what any of the results of your moves will be.

      Once you've given your orders, one minute of combat is played out on screen. You can rewind and review this minute as many times as you want, so that's not "real-time" either. There is a discernible order, and some commands you issue take more than one minute to execute.

      The gameplay itself, though, proceeds in turns. I think all this is written in the article :)

      Ravi

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    2. Re:Strategy games by TomHandy · · Score: 1
      They weren't saying Civ3: Play the World was the worst game. It won for most disappointing. And they weren't knocking Civ 3 itself, they were knocking the multiplayer expansion. Were you honestly saying you found Civ3's multiplayer expansion to be good and worthwhile and not disappointing? If so, you would seem to be in a small minority of Civ3 fans.

      -Tom

    3. Re:Strategy games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm at home, can't log in.. But you should take a closer gander at Medieval: Total War. Its a great game, and deserving of both of the Strategy Awards, IMHO.

      The majority of the gameplay of MTW is similar to Civ3; Turn-Based province/city management. The troop movement is similar to Risk. Although MTW does have Real-Time combat, you don't have to do it. I typically use the Autoresolve feature that resolves combat insantly, and I don't feel it detracts from the game at all. So I don't feel M:TW can be classified as merely an RTS. Its really a fun game.

      :)

    4. Re:Strategy games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should read the article... The game was *disappointing* because it lacked a lot of additional features and the launch was fraught with fundamental technical failures.

      CivIII was awesome... Which made the multiplayer expansion all the more heartbreaking when it totally blew ass.

    5. Re:Strategy games by Flambergius · · Score: 1

      Total War: Medival is a good and fun game. It has top-notch graphics that add a lot into the experience, you do feel like being there on the battlefield. I enjoyed playing it.

      As a game of strategy TWM lacks severely. First of, it is way too easy. On the tactical side, human player will win all even moderately even battles and with the game system limiting size of battles it is easy avoid ever being overmatched. Limit on size of the battles seems to be a performance issue, so on a fast machine you can have larger battles and thus have harder time getting the maximum troops to all battles but thats just a partial remedy.

      The strategy of side is even easier. It is easy to identify your strenghts and weaknesses. Path to victory is clear, if not allways presently attainable. Very seldom you you find yourself in trouble because of a mistake or an error of judgement. If playing nation with a bad starting situation, you may get beaten early but that is about it. It is lessens the fun of guiding, say Denmark, to world supremacy, when you realize that you could have done it with the Welsh. In both cases you need to have luck in the beginging as you expand and consolidate but after that it's just work. (Granted that as the Welsh you need quite a bit of luck.)

      Aside being too easy TWM suffers from not having meaningful ending. You control most of the world, have armies larger than anyone has ever seen, only way you could lose is by commiting suicide but you still have hours and hours of playing to do because the game won't end until the last province is yours. (Or maybe it does, I haven't actually played any of my games beyond the point I am convinced I can not be beaten.)

      So, in summary: an enjoyable game definatelly worth buying and playing, but not a challenge for the strategically inclined.

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    6. Re:Strategy games by Zathrus · · Score: 1

      Well, Civ3 wasn't released this year as I recall, it was released last year... the expansion was this year.

      Personally, I loved Civ and Civ2, but hated Civ3. Did they ever fix the issues with corruption? Utterly killed the game for me. My wife couldn't even get into it - even Chieftan level was too difficult with the improved AI and the beat-the-player-down methodolgy used in Civ3.

    7. Re:Strategy games by Jacek+Poplawski · · Score: 1

      Personally, I loved Civ and Civ2, but hated Civ3. Did they ever fix the issues with corruption? Utterly killed the game for me. My wife couldn't even get into it - even Chieftan level was too difficult with the improved AI and the beat-the-player-down methodolgy used in Civ3.

      IMHO main advantage of Civ3 is - you don't need to fight. That game is called "Civilization" but winning strategy was always total war. Sid Meier tried to fix that in Civ3 and I think he made it well. Civ3 is not upgraded Civ2. It's totaly different game. I spend years with Civ1 and months with Civ3, but I never loved Civ2.
      Civ2 has "Sid Meier's" in title. But is it really his game?

  21. YOU FAIL YOU FAIL IT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    EVEN dirty ACs can get the first post sometimes, you have to respect that. So by declaring an actual first post as YOU FAIL IT, it means that YOU FAIL 'YOU FAIL IT'. This is quite possible the worst thing anyone has ever failed, you are truly a loser.

    YOU FAIL YOU FAIL IT!

    1. Re:YOU FAIL YOU FAIL IT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      s/coword/fucking luser

  22. Metroid Prime. Best game I've played all year. by wobedraggled · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Nuff said.

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    1. Re:Metroid Prime. Best game I've played all year. by CableModemSniper · · Score: 1

      All right metroid prime is a great game, but +1 insightful? We either need a "Yeah! I agree!" moderation, or mods had better start replying with "Yeah! I agree!" instead of mindlessly modding people up. No offense woebedraggled.

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    2. Re:Metroid Prime. Best game I've played all year. by xanadu-xtroot.com · · Score: 1

      There is a "Yea I agree" mod (sort of). It's called "underrated". That gives the person a point without putting a "reason" with it (insightful, interesting, etc.).

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    3. Re:Metroid Prime. Best game I've played all year. by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 2

      I disagree.

      Metroid Prime is the best game I've played in FIVE years. Even thinking about how much fun I had makes me happy.

    4. Re:Metroid Prime. Best game I've played all year. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > If you don't like it, ignore it. All negative
      > mods are meta-moderated 'unfair'. ALL OF THEM.

      Someone $rtbl this cocksucker.

  23. My vote is for GTA Vice City by DivideX0 · · Score: 1

    I just got it today, and finally had to stop playing it since my wrists were hurting, wife was getting cranky and the kid wanted to watch his new movies.

    Moving from the PS2 to the computer will definitly help. ;-)

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    1. Re:My vote is for GTA Vice City by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      GTA Vice city... wish it were available for the pc.
      it is niegh on impossible to aim wtih the ps2 controller.

  24. Links to demos please by gad_zuki! · · Score: 2

    These lists would be a lot more useful if the editors made some effort to link to the games' official pages and especially to playable demos. I don't know what the game industry expects from consumers, but if I can't test it out I sure as hell am not going to blow $30-50 on word of mouth.

    I did find the Syberia demo, but I think its being slashdotted.

    While I'm at it, may web designers who embed music into html die horrible deaths.

    1. Re:Links to demos please by angle_slam · · Score: 1

      Gamespot doesprovide links to demos. If you click on the game name, if there is a demo available at gamespot, it will be listed.

    2. Re:Links to demos please by gad_zuki! · · Score: 2

      Yes, provided you're a paid member, at least for most of the demos.

  25. ah yes by SweetAndSourJesus · · Score: 1

    With your penchant for ALL CAPS, it is indeed a mystery why your stories get shot down.

    Damn those grammatical asses.

    Wishing you a merry little xmas...

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  26. nwn vs morrowind. by gl4ss · · Score: 2

    seriously, who likes nwn as single player game? maybe somebody who thinks diablo2 is rpg too. ok, nwn can evolve into something good in multiplayer, but the single player is just plain stupid key fetchingm, not even rpg'ish, character interaction is WEAK and the story is more linear than a straight line, breaking rpg into chapters isn't really that smart. not to mention that the engine is essentially very very very very very much like vampire: the masquerades engine from few years back, even the mplayer capabilities(and yes, the stupid engine was vampires weakest point too, with bad pathfinding and ridiculous fighting, which filled the singleplayer game, much like in nwn).

    morrowind on the other hand is easily the best single player game that can be said to be rpg instead of 'action game with rgp elements' in many years.

    if you didnt rtfa, they chose nwn.

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    1. Re:nwn vs morrowind. by danny256 · · Score: 2

      Wait, what the hell are you talking about. I though both Morrowind and NWN sucked ass, and I finished both games, so I spent a lot of time on them. Diablo 2 is one of the best games I've ever played. The story in all 3 games was crap, the gameplay in Diablo 2 is really fun.

      In the case of NWN, can you please explain to me how it was supposed to be fun? I picked the mage or whatever, and 99% of the spells sucked, I ended up just using fireball and iceball or something. At least in Diablo 2 you can use a variety of skills. I'm tired of people who are down on Diablo 2, it sold way more copies than NWN and Morrowind combined and many people think its a better game.

    2. Re:nwn vs morrowind. by gl4ss · · Score: 2

      but neither nwn(single player) or diablo2 are even remotely rpg. they're just hack'n'slash action games that have swords and spells, like most games that are released as 'rgp' games. seriously, what rpg elements does for example dungeon master have, or final fantasy VII? nada zip zero nothing, you go to a place A, do thing B, maybe watch cutscene C, then it's again to some other place and repeat.

      in morrowind YOU make up the story, and there's enough stuff to do to play it through n+3 times, be a vampire, play for different guild/house or be a monk. in it you don't have to just play it 'level by level', you can wander around and find some vampires in the mountains, or some smugglers, get infected, fight your way back to a temple to get cured.. get a stronghold.. that sort of stuff that makes it feel like you're free to pursue your own ambitions instead of going through very strictly placed plot. you can skip most of the 'plot'(aka main quest, but it's just main quest because you're pushed to it at the beginning) in morrowind if your character becomes unable to fulfill it otherwise. my first character was a crusader that eventually became the head of thiefs guild before i wandered off to finish the main quest.

      oh, and, games like nwn and d2 can be fun.
      nwn was not, the how it was supposed to be fun completely eluded me though i had some hope for 2 chapters that there would be something 'more' into it(more than just fetch 4-5 key items from 4-5 different 'levels', kill boss, move on)."can't open this door because plot doesn't allow you to go there now".

      biggest disappointment for me was pool of radiance this year though. the original kicked way too much ass to be raped by such shoddy 'give us money' sequel.

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    3. Re:nwn vs morrowind. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, in Morrowind there's just more stories. Finish all the quests and eventually you have to -- guess what -- finish the main story. Just like every other game. You don't make anything, it's all still quite static.

      Note as well that he wasn't talking about whether it was a god-damned RPG, he said that he liked the game. No one asked for your opinions on what an RPG is. Maybe they liked the games, maybe you didn't. It doesn't mean you're right.

    4. Re:nwn vs morrowind. by ctr2sprt · · Score: 2
      seriously, who likes nwn as single player game? maybe somebody who thinks diablo2 is rpg too.
      I liked NWN all around. I never got too much into the whole mod scene because most mods are so painfully amateurish. If/when the Linux version comes out, I expect I'll try out more mods to see if there are any that don't suck now.

      Anyway, I suspect that I liked NWN for exactly the reasons you didn't. You seem like much more of a hard-core RPGer. Maybe you play them in real life, or have in the past. I'm coming from primarily an adventure game-style background. My first "real" RPG was Ultima VI, which was an RPG in only the extremely general sense, and my first one of the modern era was Baldur's Gate II.

      So I guess the go-here-do-this style of NWN didn't bother me much, because you still have more freedom than in any adventure game ever made. I guess I also really empathized with Aribeth's character, which is bad since I'm not a girl, but it really helped draw me into the story. As for the character interaction, I assume you're talking about your henchmen and such, and I really agree with you there.

      In some weird way, I think BG2 (for example) was a better game than NWN, but I had a lot more fun playing NWN. With BG2, I would take breaks for weeks because I got bored of doing all the idiotic, pointless quests, or frustrated at not being powerful enough for later battles (because I skimped on all the quests). I was also never into the plot of the game at all. I was much more clinical about playing, which made the game addictive but not fun. Actually, all it did was make me start over and cheat.

      I think the reason NWN won, by the way, was that it's much more fun for non-RPGers than a "real" RPG would be. The only crowd that it truly alienates are people like you, who would much rather play full, traditional RPGs. Which group, I suspect, (stereotype alert!) has a disproportionately large representation here on /..

    5. Re:nwn vs morrowind. by Fizzol · · Score: 1

      I think Morrowind is probably the worst game I've ever played. I couldn't uninstall that hideous mass of digital horrificness fast enough.

      Morrowind is in it's own "Great Old Ones" class of incredible badness.

    6. Re:nwn vs morrowind. by IamNotWitchboy · · Score: 1

      seriously, what rpg elements does for example dungeon master have, or final fantasy VII?

      I think you mean Dungeon Siege there. Apologies if there's a RPG called Dungeon Master that I am not aware of.

      On the other hand I also was very dissapointed that they choosed NWN over Morriwind as Best RPG.

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    7. Re:nwn vs morrowind. by gl4ss · · Score: 2

      i did mean dungeon master(old amiga game, java version available at http://www.cs.pitt.edu/~alandale/dmjava/ ). eye of the beholder series games look/feel very much like it. eye of the beholders are very 'find the key item, kill some monsters, find another key item' type too, i did like eob1 when it came though, but the rest of the series grew old very fast because there wasn't too much to do(anything) except kill some monsters, find key, kill some more.

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    8. Re:nwn vs morrowind. by gl4ss · · Score: 2

      well, yes, i wouldn't have any problems with nwn winning 'rpgish game of the year' or something like that, but when putting nwn and morrowind and then trying to figure which one is the rpg of the year..

      and i did like baldurs gate, it felt much more free in the same way fallout feels free, many ways to do things, which is just about the most important thing in a plotted, adventurous, character development game. nwn lacked this :\ there was just the kill 'em way.

      i got friends who are into nwn.. but they play single player only to beef up their characters for multiplayer.. some mods are quite nice btw.

      i have played 'real' paper&scissors rpg's.. and a lot of computer games, rpgish and others. it is darned annoying if a game has dozens of skills and no real ways of using them to advance your characters situation, it feels like the games creators had intentions to use them but then didn't have enough motivation or talent to make it work well. a 'good' rpg could be played like a hack'n'slash game though, just killing everybody is a somwehat good tactic in fallout or morrowind, but it shouldnt be the only tactic available.

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    9. Re:nwn vs morrowind. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah, that's great and all, but can you have sex with an asian hooker in morrowind?

      Prostitution is what makes RPGs great.

    10. Re:nwn vs morrowind. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What RPG elements do they have? Easy, you Play the Role of the hero in the Game, and your Role is to kill monsters, find treasures, and complete the quest (whatever that may be).

      It doesn't need to be some damned interactive story with a completely immersive world to be called RPG. These games were RPG probably before you were even around!

  27. "fairly recent"!? by SHEENmaster · · Score: 2

    Fairly recent is the 802.11b rig we are planning for AP Calculus next year.

    Unfortunatly, I have no math next semester. Nothing left to take but Calculus which I'll have to wait till my Junior year to take.

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    1. Re:"fairly recent"!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (Offtopic, -1)
      no, dude. Take calculus next semester. Then sign up for more math at the local college. I'm serious, do this.

    2. Re:"fairly recent"!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WTF does 802.11b have to do with a calculus class?

  28. Yay games, for people who never learned to program by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0



    Hey, I was scrolling quickly through the main page, and I think I saw LSD!

  29. Best RPG.. Morrowind? by ShecoDu · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Ive played it, its nice but I wouldnt rate it the best RPG of 2002, Neverwinter Nights is more like it, but I still have my issues with action-RPGs. I grew with Final Fantasy, Ive played them all, Im used to them.

    One thing I find VERY annoying about action-RPGs is its miss-rate, for an instance... in morrowind, you have good agility, good weapon level... you have a big monster in front of you... you strike.. and miss, strike again... and miss... and so on. Its even more anoying with non mastered weapons, you are not an expert using a long sword, you swing your sword and no matter what, youll never hit... I mean, come on! if you can lift the sword, you can definitevely hit, ok, it might be a lame strike, but you have to do at least a little damage, minimum but you CAN touch the enemy unless it is very nimble, SLOW and BIG monsters can be hit easily. The same applies to long range weapons, in morrowind you throw things, and they just go through the targets... the least they could have done is change the direction of the thrown object, so it is visually obvious it was a clear miss.

    Another thing that really brings me down is when you are attacked from a blind spot, or when you hear some enemy might be coming, you have to search all around while it is coming and when you are attacked you dont even know where from. Its really anoying having an archer attacking you from some higher location and your character is so dumb he doesnt recognize the location... instead of the whole screen flashing red, it could have a hint about where you have been hit and an arrow giving you a little more hints.

    Besides all that, having to be clicking like crazy is no fun. Besides if you are playing a role, your character levels up and gets smarter... I dont want the whole thing to depend upon my reflexes and stuff, the character is smart/strong/quick enough to turn around when it hears some enemy, attack automatically at its possible rate and stuff like that.

    Ill still be waiting for a good RPG.

    Is there any of you who knows the kind of RPG Im looking for?

    1. Re:Best RPG.. Morrowind? by kawaichan · · Score: 1

      Dude, did you read through the whole thing??? morrowind was one of the nominee, NWN was the winner.

      So yeah...

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    2. Re:Best RPG.. Morrowind? by Mex · · Score: 0

      ""Is there any of you who knows the kind of RPG Im looking for?""

      Yes, it was called Planescape:Torment and was released in 1999.

      Go and search forth, my friend. It's probably pretty hard to find now, but it's hands down... the best. RPG. Evar.

    3. Re:Best RPG.. Morrowind? by ergo98 · · Score: 1

      Remember that miss not only equals "failing to make contact", but also includes "making contact but in a way that does no damage". You'll notice that your propensity to "hit" is reduced by the armor that the opponent is wearing, though of course that armor doesn't make them harder to physically hit, but rather it means that you may make contact, but you're just making lots of noise.

    4. Re:Best RPG.. Morrowind? by LMCBoy · · Score: 2

      NWN won Gamespot's Best RPG; Morrowind won Gamespy's Best RPG. Both contests were listed in the /. article.

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  30. DRM makes it ugly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Notice how every game requires a CD-check? It's easy to get around, but illogical and annoying. The first game to just skip the CD-check should win game of the yaer. And it should be free information!

    1. Re:DRM makes it ugly... by Newtonian_p · · Score: 2, Informative
      What about games made by Id? I've noticed that Id games, such as RTCW, don't require a CD check.

      I remember that Quake 3 required it at first but then Id removed it with one of their updates.

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    2. Re:DRM makes it ugly... by captaincucumber · · Score: 1

      Notice how every game requires a CD-check? It's easy to get around, but illogical and annoying

      Easy to get around? How so? Downloading a hack?

      Anyway, I f'n hate CD checks. There's nothing more annoying than not being able to play a game because you can't find the damn CD. (usually turns up in the CD case for a beck CD 3 months later). I go and pay $50 for a game and then they make me jump through hoops like a goddamn monkey every time I want to play it!

    3. Re:DRM makes it ugly... by bitchazz · · Score: 1

      hey captain,
      1)Do a search for daemon-tools.
      2)Make a CloneCD image of your game disk, load it from the hard disk as a Virtual CD....
      3)and presto, no more need to load in the cds for every game. You will need several free GBs of space for several cds worth of games but storage is cheap!

  31. let me suggest by JeanBaptiste · · Score: 1

    Hearts of Iron, ww2 strategic game. if you ever played risk, you should try this. paradox, strategy first.

  32. What about the Great Underground Empire? by egg+troll · · Score: 2

    If I was voting, I'd still write in Zork. Few adventure games have ever bettered this Infocom classic.

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    1. Re:What about the Great Underground Empire? by shogun · · Score: 2

      What category though? I'm assuming not best graphics. ;)

    2. Re:What about the Great Underground Empire? by Type-IIa · · Score: 0

      That'd be the category for Reactionary Old Gits Who Can't See Better Than The Good Old Days..

  33. Fav game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My favorite game is penis wrestling with all my body building friends.

  34. Re:What about copyrights ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No.

    Hey, guess what? What you said there, about "this illogical concept of 'intellectual property?'" It's covered by intellectual property laws. Congratulations. You're the proud owner of intellectual property.

    Bet that one really baked your noodle.

  35. Konami Arcade Advanced by yerricde · · Score: 1

    Everyone in my precal class was hooked on ZTetris.

    But ZTetris is ILLEGAL! Were it named something more generic that didn't resemble "TETRIS" (a trademark licensed exclusively to The Tetris Company LLC), it would be OK.

    On the other hand, notice that "Konami Arcade Advanced", a collection of ports (NOT emulations) of classic arcade games did make it into one of the top GBA game lists of the article.

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  36. Well, they might have worse game of the year... by shepd · · Score: 1

    But the worst games of all time are all listed here.

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  37. For those that don't want to click a lot ... by angle_slam · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here are the winners:

    Gamespot:
    Best budget game: Serious Sam: The Second Encounter
    Most Improved Sequel: Hitman 2: Silent Assassin:
    Biggest Surprise: Battlefield 1942
    Best Game No One Played: Moonbase Commander
    Best single-player action: No-One Lives Forever 2: A Spy in H.A.R.M.'s Way
    Best Multiplay action: Battlefield 1942
    Best Adventure: Syberia
    Best Driving: Rally Trophy
    Best RPG: Neverwinter Nights
    Best Sci-Fi Simulation: Star Trek: Bridge Commander
    Best Simulation: Flanker 2.5
    Best Sports: Madden 2003
    Best Single Player Strategy: Medieval: Total War
    Best Multiplayer Strategy: Warcraft III
    Game of the Year: Warcraft III
    Most Dissapointing: Civ III: Play the World
    Worst Game: Demonworld: Darl Armor

    Gamespy:
    Action Game of the Year: Grandtheft Auto III
    Adventure Game: Syberia
    RPG: Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
    Strategy: Medieval: Total War
    Sports Game: Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2003
    Racing: NASCAR Racing 2002
    Game of the Year: No One Lives Forever 2: A Spy in H.A.R.M.'s Way

    1. Re:For those that don't want to click a lot ... by Mac+Degger · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You know what? After all the hype, and all the anticipated games, I only now, after reading this list, realise how mediocre this years games are!?

      I mean, NWN was supposed to be the be-all-end-all RPG...but SP was just Diablo, and MP is Diablo+chat(+usre made adventures, but user made content is such a butch that you can't give it points for that, really).

      Then we have UT2k3...a quake-ified UT...looked good, played ok, but nowhere near a big wow-factor. Not even close.

      The rest? GTAIII; if it wasn't so bug-riden and limited, it would stand a chance. Medieval: Total War; Shogun with different sprites. Warcraft III; YARTS (yet another RTS).

      There was nothing really cool this year; nothing really innovative, nothing to make me sit up in front of my keyboard and really say 'wow'. The closest was Morrowind, but even that wasn't a truly great game.

      Odd, but it';s been a bit of a lackluster year. Here's hoping Paradise Cracked and Homeworld 2 will make 2003 worthwhile, gamewise.

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    2. Re:For those that don't want to click a lot ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, because those who don't want to read the article and click through stuff will probably get to about 3/4 of the way down a 200+ posted topic? You karma whore.

    3. Re:For those that don't want to click a lot ... by Flambergius · · Score: 2, Informative

      I hear ya!

      A week or so ago I realized within myself a need - nay, a craving - to own a new computer game. After a furious search of several hours I was proud owner of Waterloo: Napoleon's Last Battle. It's a new game but it's build on engine of Sid Maier's Gettysbury (1998 I think). The best and most interesting game (aside of NWN) of last year is a four-year old re-heat? Later I came to think that I might have done better going with Syberia, but nevermind.

      On the positive side, Neverwinter Nights. Yeah, SP isn't that spectacular, but why shouldn't NWN get points for trying to activate and empower users to make their own adventures. So user made content does suck most of the time, but so do most Open Source projects. (The ones that get a mission statement or early alpha into Freshmeat and then die. Also most bands formed suck too.) What more should Bioware have done? They can't make people make great games. Much like Linux, NWN is a tool and a process, and I for one am grateful to all who give me tools.

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    4. Re:For those that don't want to click a lot ... by M4d+D0nkie · · Score: 1

      I Disagree, Kingdom Hearts was incredibly creative and different. Fighting alongside Goofy and Donald Duck is pure genius. Its a shame the lack of a teen/mature rating and all around Disneyishness kept so many adults away. It is by far the best game I've played this year. Plus, who can pass up the chance to beat up the pansy Squall in a sword fight, who almost ruined FFVIII.

    5. Re:For those that don't want to click a lot ... by LMCBoy · · Score: 2

      I mean, NWN was supposed to be the be-all-end-all RPG...but SP was just Diablo, and MP is Diablo+chat(+usre made adventures, but user made content is such a butch that you can't give it points for that, really).

      I don't know, man. I agree that the official campaign was a bit disappointing, but I think your statement that SP NWN is "just Diablo" is unfair.

      What aspects of NWN do you regard as Diablo-like? NWN lets you choose any combination of seven classes (not including subclasses), six races, and two genders of characters to play, along with a customizable look and a large number of voice sets to choose from. In Diablo, you can be a barbarian, a sorceress, a paladin or a ranger. NWN has a large, deep story involving not only battles but non-combat interactions with complex NPCs that evolve as the game moves along. NPCs in Diablo are little more than animated signposts pointing to the next clickfest.

      Not to mention that NWN (in addition to the huge official campaign) provides a powerful toolset with which the community has already made almost 2000 new modules. Despite your dismissal, many of these are really good, providing hours of fun multiplayer (or even single-player) gaming. Maybe you just haven't tried the right modules. Check out the top-rated list at nwvault.ign.com; there's some good stuff there.

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    6. Re:For those that don't want to click a lot ... by Jagasian · · Score: 2

      Who cares? There are plenty of great computer games. Just because they haven't been released this year doesn't mean anything.

      People still play Soccer, after hundreds of years.
      People still play Chess.
      People still play Quake.
      People still play Civ2.
      People still play tetris.
      People still play Sokoban.
      etc...

      Truely good games last forever.

    7. Re:For those that don't want to click a lot ... by Mac+Degger · · Score: 2

      I was hinting more at the difficulty of getting your own content in. Have you tried to get a model in? Or a tileset? What about a placeble? It's way too complex for a game which promised to do that from the getgo. Sure, the scripts they released made it easier, but in that half year before they released the scripts, the community had already programmed it's own tools! Bioware should be very embarressed by that.
      And even with the scripts, it's overly complex. AQnd yes, I got my own stuff in, but I'm kind of used to getting my own content into games. Even then, screwing around with hakpaks and bifs etc is far from hassle-free.

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  38. TACO WE KNOW ITS YOU!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  39. Re:uhh HITMAN 2 anyone? anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    I've played Hitman 1, and it sucked greatly. Among the sucky bits were these:

    - Missions became impossible to complete by doing two interchangeable tasks in the wrong order.

    - Bullet-proof enemies (the big guard in the long restaurant mission can only be killed by poison. His forehead is bulletproof.)

    - No way to save. Missions that easily take an hour, yet trivial mistakes will make them impossible to complete. Great, play all of that again...

    - Enemies have eyes in the back of their heads ("Weapon! Weapon!" when you sneak up behind them with a garotte).

    - Getting stuck in doors. Especially annoying when trying to drag a body from view.

    Did they fix any of this in part 2? If so I may give it a shot (hehe).

  40. Downloadable demos? For console games? by yerricde · · Score: 3, Informative

    These lists would be a lot more useful if the editors made some effort to link to the games' official pages and especially to playable demos.

    "Downloadable playable demos" applies only to PC platforms such as Windows (vast majority), Mac (very few), and Linux (fewer still). It does not apply to console platforms such as GBA, GCN, PS2, and Hbox. It may apply to the GP32 handheld system from Gamepark because Gamepark encourages homebrewing (and thus redistributable games) on the GP32 system.

    I did find the Syberia demo, but I think its being slashdotted.

    Cyberia (which may not be Syberia) was published by Interplay several years ago. Check the bargain bin or an online auction venue if you want to play Cyberia (which may not be Syberia).

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    1. Re:Downloadable demos? For console games? by CableModemSniper · · Score: 1

      It may apply to the GP32 handheld system from Gamepark because Gamepark encourages homebrewing (and thus redistributable games) on the GP32 system.

      I just want to say thanks for bring the existence of this nifty handheld to my attention. I had never heard of it so I did a little googling. That thing is amazing.

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  41. XBox Live..One Gamers Perspective by VividU · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I thought I'd take a moment and share my experience with Xbox live. MS haters can stop reading now since your mind is already made up. I'm in my early thirties, make my living using open-source software, and gaming since I was ten..blowing my quarter collection on Asteroids and wasting massive hours on my Atari.

    In short, XBL is nothing short of a revolution in console gaming. Say what you will about MS software, few question the quality and innovation of MS hardware and the Xbox and XBox Live are shining examples of that.

    I've rarely had so much fun playing video games. I know I'm not alone becuase I can hear the shrieks and groans, the yells and crys and curses, the outright bawling laughter of other gamers from across the country and the world coming right through my XBL communicator.

    I'll start with a quick overview of why I chose the Xbox as my gaming console and then to a review of the XBox Live (XBL) service.

    After wearing out my N64 I was ready for my next gen console. The decision was fairly simple. Yes the PS2 had more games, but a great majority of those games were throwaways. Not only that but I wasnt planning on buying a bookshelf worth of games anyway. I usually just buy the best games of a genre and play them through and through. The Xbox seemed like the best choice. It had the better graphics (by far), the HDTV, the 5.1 sound, the hard drive, ethernet, CD burning to HD all built in! The other two did not even come close. I buy a console because of the CONSOLE, not the games.

    So I buy a Xbox and Halo. On a side note, Halo might be just be the best video game ever and definatly the best FPS ever. But don't take my word for it, just read the reviews.

    When Xbox Live was released I was first in line. Setup was super easy and painless. Drop a line from my hub to the Xbox, insert setup CD, verify that I'm a adult with my credit card, pick a gamertag and presto! I'm online.

    Xbox live comes with two games. Whacked! and MotoGP. Whacked is some whacked platformer that girls seem to line. MotoGP is one great motorcycle racing game. Needless to say, the graphics and gameplay are outstanding. But the no doubt..the best part is the online play.

    So far I'm playing Unreal Championship, MotoGP and Mech Assault. All games are great. Online play is smooth. Lag is almost non-existant. The voice-communicator works great. The sound is clear and clean, and has the quality of a cell phone.

    To sit on my soft, legs on the coffee table, 27" TV in front of me (soon to be HDTV), hooked up to the world and kicking peoples ass on Unreal is a amazing thing. It really really is.

    There is sense, when talking to other people on XBL, that were part of a something new. And indeed we are. Ok, ok, I know all this is possible on a PC. But we're talking console here. Since my XBL, my PC is exclusivly for work and making money and my console is for games. I play in my den, I work in my office.

    I'm sure the PS2 and GameCube have some fun and great games, but if I cant

    Play online with one login across all games

    Listen to my music playing from the HD of the console as I play

    Listen the games in 5.1 and see it in hi-res HDTV

    Hear you curse as I blow your ass-up in Mech-Assault

    And much much more
    Then I'm not intereted.

    You don't think the Xbox and Xbox live are revolutionary? See if the next gen Nintendo and the PlayStation3 don't have everything the Xbox has today.

    See you online!

    1. Re:XBox Live..One Gamers Perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well said

    2. Re:XBox Live..One Gamers Perspective by ripewithdecay · · Score: 1

      "Yes the PS2 had more games, but a great majority of those games were throwaways. Not only that but I wasnt planning on buying a bookshelf worth of games anyway. I usually just buy the best games of a genre and play them through and through. The Xbox seemed like the best choice. It had the better graphics (by far), the HDTV, the 5.1 sound, the hard drive, ethernet, CD burning to HD all built in! The other two did not even come close. I buy a console because of the CONSOLE, not the games."

      Just reading the first and last couple of sentences makes you sound like you're contradicting yourself.

    3. Re:XBox Live..One Gamers Perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      If I wasn't so wary of the entire console market due to the constant betrayal of Sega, I'd be picking an X-Box up myself.

      I've yet to be disappointed by any game that Microsoft has had a hand in. Their operating systems? Hell yes. Most of their productivity software? Ugh.

      But their games.. Well, Microsoft more than makes up for the general shoddiness of their other offerings when it comes to their games.

      Hmm. I should go get Bill Gates drunk and convince him to build a ridiculously large BattleTech simulator.

    4. Re:XBox Live..One Gamers Perspective by freeweed · · Score: 2

      I buy a console because of the CONSOLE, not the games.

      Guess you're still enjoying your 3d0 then.

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    5. Re:XBox Live..One Gamers Perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL

    6. Re:XBox Live..One Gamers Perspective by orange7 · · Score: 1

      So which Microsoftie marketing droid wrote this one?

      You think they'd at least figure out what a dead giveaway the peppy market-speak quotes (I've rarely had so much fun playing video games ... Setup was super easy and painless ... Online play is smooth ... See you online!)

      Could it be the inventors of astroturfing are losing their edge?

      A.

    7. Re:XBox Live..One Gamers Perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      steve, is it you?

      those nights in your office in redmond are kind of lonely, ha?

      say hello to bill the next time you see him, bye!

    8. Re:XBox Live..One Gamers Perspective by gl4ss · · Score: 2

      yeah, considering games are the only software around for consoles..

      maybe he enjoys a fancy cd player or something, or maybe he is the dream consumer, who will buy a whizmogizmo gadget because it's a whizmogizmo gadget.

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    9. Re:XBox Live..One Gamers Perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      But their games.. Well, Microsoft more than makes up for the general shoddiness of their other offerings when it comes to their games

      What are you on about? They publish other companys' games!

  42. Most Improved Sequel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hitman and Hitman 2

    Daggerfall and Morrowind

    HOW DOES HITMAN WIN?

  43. Exclusivity by Chuck+Chunder · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Gamespot:
    All other things being equal, we preferred to honor those games that were released exclusively for a particular platform
    Dickheads. Exclusivity is a pain in the arse to gamers. I want to play Buffy The Vampire Slayer and GTA Vice City. Rewarding exclusivity in your reviews isn't exactly pro-user, it's pro-marketing bullshit.
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    1. Re:Exclusivity by Mac+Degger · · Score: 2

      Hear-hear!! A great game is a great game. Exllusivity has as much to do with a great game as the colour of someones skin has to do with how nice they are.

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    2. Re:Exclusivity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right. Exclusivity would only matter if their rankings were based on sales figures.. and that would make for a pretty awful awards ceremony, imo.

  44. I'm going out on a limb here and going to say by Rooked_One · · Score: 1

    Hitman 2 uses the exact same engine as MAFIA. If you look at them, they are identical, and the clencher for me was this little screenshot of mafia.

    http://www.ebgames.com/gmspImages/21/210746/eb/010 51326.jpg

    Thats exactly the pissing stance that you see so often in hitman when you sneak up behind someone.

    All that being said, I'll have to try mafia, although I doubt it carries the whole assasin type genre that hitman2 does.

  45. Re:uhh HITMAN 2 anyone? anyone? by libertarian · · Score: 2, Informative

    Other than the stuck in doors bit, they did fix all of that.

    Lee

  46. Frogger did make the list... by Xenex · · Score: 5, Informative

    What's more, Konami Arcade Advanced did make it into GameSpy's GBA Game of the Year awards list. It's right here.

    Whoever submitted this article only linked to the PC section, but they should have linked to the main page, which has awards for PS2, Xbox, GCN, GBA, PC, and 'Multiplayer'.

  47. A "main" quest? by yerricde · · Score: 1

    Finish all the quests and eventually you have to -- guess what -- finish the main story. Just like every other game.

    Now we're getting into semantics. Your problems seem to arise from the fact that the game's documentation designates one of the game's many quests as "main".

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  48. Another non-RT stragety game wins the prize... by Kjella · · Score: 2

    Disciples 2 also ended up winning that reward, looks like the turn based strategy games are overrepresented. I like them, but I guess that for many it's too exact to plan and execute, rather than just point-and-click away in RTS (not saying there isn't strategy in RTS, only there you implement it continously while playing).

    Kjella

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  49. What your looking for.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wizardry 8

    If you haven't played it yet this is the game you want to get. It might be slightly difficult to find now, but it's well worth it. In almost every way this game is what an RPG IS.

    I tried playing Daggerfall but didn't like it, and I passed on it's sequel as well. I thought I might try Morrwind to see if it got any better but I'm waiting for the price to drop a bit before buying. I don't like 'pausable' realtime-rpg's like Icewind Dale, Baldur's Gate or Dungeon Siege (Single Player) so I avoid those. And if you have any sense of playability I suggest avoiding the Might and Magic series after #5. I haven't played Neverwinter Nights yet, so I can't ye or nay on that one yet.

    If you want I think you can still get the Demo, just look for a link on the http://www.wizardry8.com site or another file mirror...

  50. Twirlip's Post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    has been up for near 30 minutes now and no one has modded him up yet? Where have all the cool people gone? This post is interesting, probably insightful. I'm glad he at least has his own +1 bonus, so I can be sure to read him.

  51. I agree - worst websites of 2002 by Theaetetus · · Score: 2, Insightful
    No offense to GameSpot and GameSpy, but they could have condensed this whole thing down the way parent has without making us load a billion pages... Plus, if you look at GameSpy, there's a page number menu at the bottom... and they all go out of order if you click on the icons on the title page.

    -T

    1. Re:I agree - worst websites of 2002 by prnd_ndrd · · Score: 1

      Most likely, the multi-page format is to increase banner ad views.

      Agreed, though, that it is a terrible pain to use.

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  52. Real-time VS. Turn-based ?! by haggar · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have read the sites, the nominees and the winners, but what I find confusing, with regards to the strategy games, is that none of these sites makes it clear whether a strategy game is turn.based or real-time. For me that's hugely important, because I stopped liking real-time strategy games a few years ago. I got slow (eh.. the age) and more impatient with RTS games. And I know at least one more guy like me in my town ;o) so there is at least some segment of the market that would really like a clear information about the kind of strategy game at hand. Note that most of the time not even the box/cover of the game spells it out clearly whether it's RTS or turn-based.

    My question, finally, is: is there a gamer's site that lists strategy games and has an appropriate designation whether a game is RTS or turn-based? It seems that perhaps there's a lot of fine strategy games out there, except for the Civiliation and HOMM series - the ones to which I'm sticking, for now...

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    1. Re:Real-time VS. Turn-based ?! by eglamkowski · · Score: 1

      I'm with you on this one - I prefer the turn based over the RTS. I'm just as frustrated that there is often no way to know in advance except to just ask someone who has already played the game. Sometimes even the game's box itself isn't enough to tell! *boggle*

      Anyways, the best way to find out would be to visit yer local usenet group in the comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.* heirarchy.

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    2. Re:Real-time VS. Turn-based ?! by dughat · · Score: 1

      I think there's an even worse choice, and that's turn based that pretends to be real time. I had a Starfleet game, I think Starfleet Academy, but I'm not sure, that was really turn based but pretended to be real time. This meant that even if I took an action, it would be ignored until the next "turn" began. It became obvious after a while, but there was no way of telling when one turn ended and the next began, so I couldn't use it to my advantage.
      Of course, I had the same complaint with Neverwinter Nights. Sometimes requesting several actions caused them to happen in succession, sometimes a new action erase the waiting action. For instance, you could queue up several potions to take one at a time, but if you then clicked on attack, all the potions disappeared. Also, in combat, if a character was casting a spell, you couldn't hit attack or the spell would stop. But there wasn't always a clear deliniation as to when a spell was finished, so I would sometimes find that my character was standing around getting whacked when I thought he was fighting back. This may be why they don't put it on the box, it's both!

    3. Re:Real-time VS. Turn-based ?! by haggar · · Score: 1

      I'll try that one.

      I usually just keep the guy who handles the game section in the shop (they're surprisingly knowledgeable here in Finland), but obviously, I would rather know that before I go out to shop. Not to talk about wanting to buy the stuff online.

      thanks for the tip.

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    4. Re:Real-time VS. Turn-based ?! by haggar · · Score: 1

      I was under the impression N.N. was a straightforward, honest-to-God (so to say) RTS!? Well, not that you changed my mind regarding my decision -not- to buy it, but I find it good to know, anyway.

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  53. My own year in games by jvmatthe · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Not that anyone gives a rip what a schmoe thinks, but I played a right decent number of games this year and wrote up a summary of what I thought were my games of the year. The catch is that I'm playing games not just for the PS2, but also for platforms that are no longer supported and games that have been out for years, but are new to me. So my games of the year included GTA3 and Vice City, but also Monster Rancher 2 for the PSX and Donkey Kong for the GameBoy and Necronomicon Pinball (import) for the Saturn.

    I'd love to hear from gamers that keep similar websites about their gaming habits.

  54. pretty good list by jlechem · · Score: 2, Interesting
    ok they did a fairly alright job. The PC games for the most part were spot on. But WC3 for GOTY? I mean come on what the fuck? It was in no way revolutionary, it was the same damn game from before ala new/more races from starcraft. A good game maybe, but GOTY no way!

    And their gamecube games choices, well they were smoking crack or something in their pipes. About the only thing they got right was giving metroid prime GOTY on GC.

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  55. And to add to the stupidity... by Chordonblue · · Score: 1

    How about copy protection on a game like 'Battlefield 1942'? Just what is the point of putting copy protection on a game like this where the only point to it is the online aspect.

    No one plays single player in BF - NO ONE. And even if you could deal with the lame computer AI, you gotta figure that this would only whet a pirate's appetite enough to get them to get a key for themselves.

    Hey EA, why do you keep pissing off your PAYING customers with this crap?

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  56. grrr by gshutt · · Score: 1

    Too bad this list didn't come out, say, BEFORE Christmas. Oh well, all the more reason to celebrate it on the 28th...

  57. Is it just me... by Skim123 · · Score: 2

    Or do those guys in the GameSpot video have issues with making eye contact? I think they all stared at the surface of the table when talking.

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    1. Re:Is it just me... by BitHive · · Score: 2

      I started watching that, but I just couldn't finish. It was a pathetic attempt at a broadcast style those guys just aren't suited for.

  58. Wait a year by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    When I has in college I would just stay about a year behind the release schedule. That way the games would be half price.

    This strategy also had the benifit of allowing me to play games with my mac friends at about the same time they came out for that platform.

  59. IN SOVIET RUSSIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the story makes up YOU

  60. And Once Again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gamespot FUCKS OVER the adventure category. There were at least 20 adventures published in 2002. Why only two nominees?

    Simple. In order to make the adventure game category seem thin and irrelevant so Gamespot's smartass "editors" can continue to claim the adventure game category is thin and irrelevant.

  61. You are all smoking crack! Pass it along please! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    Game of The Year is...

    Gnutella2: bridge to troubled porn-finding

  62. Notice? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    BOTH games of the year were... ...wait for it...

    SEQUELS!!!

    Thank you.

    Way to go game industry! So innovative! So daring! Such risk-takers!

    Such pussies.

  63. Why so many kudos for BF1942?!? by Warin · · Score: 1, Troll

    This game STINKS. With a capital S. It totally throws out any and all semblance of realism in an effort to make it more playable. The vehicles and weapons are all essentially identical for all nations, and where else can you run a jeep into a tank and kill it?

    And the morons at Gamespot cant stop slobbering all over it, in spite of its craptastic nature. Sheesh. But what can you expect from a crew that refers to propeller driven aircraft as 'fighter jets'. Did I miss something?? They dont have an Me 252 in there! Fah!

    1. Re:Why so many kudos for BF1942?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ME262

  64. Nice stuff, but... by katalyst · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There are lotsa cool games that were left out.. COMPLETELY. There was no mention of Jedi Outcast (Jedi Knight II), which has been a blast to play. There were no bike racing games. I guess, there are way too many games out there, and way too many genres.
    Next year will be more interesting. The games to watchout for:
    Doom III (2003 I hope)
    Counterstrike Condition Zero
    Unreal II
    Enter the Matrix
    Breed
    Freelancer
    Halo2
    Duke Nukem Forever ?(now i know y its called so, tho)
    Stalker
    ahh... bliss

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    1. Re:Nice stuff, but... by Docrates · · Score: 2

      There was no mention of Jedi Outcast (Jedi Knight II), which has been a blast to play

      That's because Jedi Outcast was in last year's game of the year competition.

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  65. Why the big fuss over Battlefield 1942? by salientpoints · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I bought bf1942 when it first came out sometime in September. I think I picked it up on the second day of its release. Come to find out, they released a patch for the game at the same time they shipped the game. Even with 1.1 it was nearly impossible to kill people. You had to aim an unrealistic 1 inch in front of the player, and had to calculate your lag in order to figure out how far to shoot in front of your opponent.

    Yes, it's really neat that you can play with a wide assortment of WWII vehicles and on 64 player servers, but the gameplay still needs improvements IMO.

    The ground infantry interface is clumsy; Day of Defeat (half life mod) does it much better.

    Yes, I do realize that one can't classify this as a first person game per se--strategy is required for enjoyable play--but I found the game more frustrating than fun. I often felt that there were often too many elements out of my control.

    I did play in a clan for a few months and then decided it would be a better use of my time to carve a 1880 Victorian city out of a large soapblock I found by a local prison while joyriding.

    1. Re:Why the big fuss over Battlefield 1942? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Want a tip? Learn how to aim and don't to aim somewhere "near" a target with the sniper rifle and expect a hit. I think the shot accuracy is a lot more realistic (read: FUN) than other games out there.

  66. Why was this moderated up? by Inoshiro · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'd much rather see an award go to a well polished, well designed, well tested game that works like a champ on one platform, than look at a game which is ok-looking, fairly well designed, and somewhat tested on all platforms.

    Working with one set platform has a way of allowing designers to be more expressive. I mean, if it's a problem for you, go buy that console. You obviously really don't want to play those games if you haven't bought the consoles that will play those games. And a PS2, Xbox, and GameCube all together still costs less than a Radeon 9700 and new mobo/Athlon CPU to run UT2K3.

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    1. Re:Why was this moderated up? by Bullet-Dodger · · Score: 1
      I'd much rather see an award go to a well polished, well designed, well tested game that works like a champ on one platform, than look at a game which is ok-looking, fairly well designed, and somewhat tested on all platforms.

      Yes, the award should go to a good game that works on one platform over a mediocre game that works on all. No one's saying it shouldn't. But, all things being equal, a game should NOT lose points for going through the trouble of perfecting it on multiple platforms. Sorta seems like a straw-man.

      Working with one set platform has a way of allowing designers to be more expressive. I mean, if it's a problem for you, go buy that console. You obviously really don't want to play those games if you haven't bought the consoles that will play those games. And a PS2, Xbox, and GameCube all together still costs less than a Radeon 9700 and new mobo/Athlon CPU to run UT2K3.

      Yes, I can just buy a console if I really want to play those games, but no, they shouldn't get extra points for it. And what about the console owners who want to play the PC single-platform games? He never said games should be only PC, just the opposite!

  67. Read the article by Chuck+Chunder · · Score: 2
    A good game deserves to win over a worse one, no question about that.

    These guys are saying that if two games are "equal" they'll prefer the one which is more restricted in terms of availability.
    You obviously really don't want to play those games if you haven't bought the consoles that will play those games
    What cretinously ridiculous bollocks. These things cost money.

    Personally I ended up buying an Xbox for myself a few weeks ago, it was a reasonably good deal, came with Halo which I've heard is excellent (as well as a couple of other games) and seems to be a bit more "state of the art" than the PS2. And of course I can play Buffy on it (which I'd previously played on a demo box in a store and liked). I still want to play GTA Vice City, but there's no way I can justify buying a PS2 just for that.
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    1. Re:Read the article by Darkninja666 · · Score: 1

      I hear you, but you should pickup a PS2 just for GTA. I bought a PS2 last christmas, and the only games I've played on it were GTAIII and GTA Vice City. I've heard they have other games for the PS2, but I have a kick arse computer......

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  68. Asshole parent took-out of context by Kashif+Shaikh · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    Don't know why the fuck this guy modded up(are you guys drinking a lot? Don't drink and mod:))

    Here's their quote you fucking idiot parent:

    Notably, during this process we tended to give deference to games that were developed to take advantage of a given gaming platform's unique properties--all other things being equal, we preferred to honor those games that were released exclusively for a particular platform, rather than those that were ported to most or every gaming system[emphasis mine]. However, in many cases we did not rule out multiplatform ports, and for one award, we honor the game that made the best showing on the most platforms.

    You didn't even read the fucking article, and just took the big block quotes and attempted to form a stupid opinion.

    Jerk.

  69. Moonbase Commander is amazing by Bobtree · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I picked up 2 copies on a whim monday for $10 ea at Best Buy. Just now I finished my first evening of online play (the gamespy service is decent) - and I'm totally hooked. Our final game was a 4-player (2 teams) 4 hour marathon, with some seriously surprising twists. It eventually ended due to Internet disconnects. I can't really compare MBC to anything else, it has a very unique feel. Easy to pick up, hard to put down, and really tough to master. Turn based but fast paced, and very intense.

    There's a downloadable demo, but I'd even recommend just buying it outright. If you like strategy games, you won't regret it.

    1. Re:Moonbase Commander is amazing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  70. wasn't that the best game of 2001 by Markos · · Score: 1

    and 2000, and 1999....

  71. I did read the article. by Chuck+Chunder · · Score: 2

    The fuller quote you posted doesn't change anything. They are still rewarding exclusivity, all other thing being equal.

    All things being equal, I'd prefer them to reward people for making games available to more people (which means more platforms. I prefer choice to restriction, what's stupid about that?

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  72. poor college kids by e-Alex · · Score: 1

    I know there are other poor college kids out there that can't afford $40-50 a game.

    Duh...what did you think they need gigabit-internet-access in their dorm rooms for? ;-)

  73. The only and the best by Lolaine · · Score: 0

    "make menuconfig"
    continues being the best one

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  74. I don't know about you guys ... by ciupman · · Score: 1

    ...but i'm still waiting for Half Life 2 .. (i think that even with it's old engine it would kick all the others butt ). The Last game that caught my attencion was Diablo 2 (and its expansion), and i felt like playing it till the end .. (before that one, it was HL). Both diferent types of games .. but had one thing in common .. A FREAKING GOOD STORY .. that's it .. I tried all the recent ones .. and they are dull .. dull intros ... dull stories .. even WC3 .. excessive and very detailed violence against human beings (vice city)

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    1. Re:I don't know about you guys ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Personally I thought both Diablo 2 and Half-Life had very generic, cookie-cutter style stories:

      Half-Life - an experiment goes horribly wrong and you're forced to fight for your life as you try to escape the facility against aliens and the goverment cover up effort.

      Diablo 2 though.. I enjoyed the game, but I can't bring myself to call the story good, it's a stereotypical "Destroy the Ancient Evil.. again" plot, which has been used time and again for fantasy games.

      Don't get me wrong, both games were great, and I had fun playing them, but I think you're giving credit in the wrong areas here.

    2. Re:I don't know about you guys ... by ciupman · · Score: 1

      Ok.. the stories are generic.. but are very well told .. ;) like, they don't give all the endings away .. the final twists are very well explored .. . Since the beginning all videogame stories tend to be somewhat identical but with diferent characters .. like good vs evil .. human vs alien, etc. Half Life was breathtaking .. it was the first time i jumped of the chair in a video game and another thing that i valued in that game was, the no dull middle intros and loading times... that fast level loading was a blast ;). I remembered i hated NOLF because of all the intros and talking and poor 007 story alike (and tacky comedy) ..
      Diablo 2 was very well narrated .. the intros and the music were superb (it was like, one wanted to finnish the level just to watch the intro, like if it was a prize).

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    3. Re:I don't know about you guys ... by RKloti · · Score: 1

      When playing Diablo II, one always got the impression that the developers had already planned the expansion pack and, when playing the expansion pack, that they've already planned the sequel...

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  76. GTA:VC by NineNine · · Score: 2

    I find it appropriate that in the PS2 category (fuck PC's... I don't have time to dink around with installers, expensive video cards, etc), Gamespot nominated GTA: VC in every category that it didn't win in. I noticed that the other one seemed to exclude GTA:VC altogether. Kinda' say something about the websites... Gamespot is straight up with their reviews. I expect the guys at Gamespy are the kind of guys who sit around and say, "We can't say that GTA:VC was the best. It's so October. It's for the masses. Let's pick really, really obscure stuff, cause then we'll be l337. Sorry guys. GTA: VC wins hands down, whether or not it was popular. I've been playing video games for more than 20 years, and GTA: VC is the best ever. PC or console. Action or adventure. Hands down.

    1. Re:GTA:VC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You just destroyed all credibility when you claim that "it's teh best evar!" Any person with half an iota of intelligence can divide games/movies/music/etc into categories and choose the best of each. I would hardly compare Vice City to, say, Zork.

      And what about people that hate GTA type games? Oh, well I guess it doesn't matter because even if the game wasn't popular, YOU thought it was the best and therefore deserves to win.

      Fuck you.

  77. Macintosh Gaming by Spencerian · · Score: 4, Informative

    ...does exist, and is alive and well for its size.

    Since it's not really represented on either review page (for obvious reasons of market size), I'll throw in my $0.02 on selected games I've seen or played that were ported to Mac OS X this year. No real ranking except for overall value, out of 5 stars. (YMMV)

    Star Wars: Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast. (***-1/2) Nothing is more fun than the powers of a Jedi Knight with a lightsaber in a very realistic (for Star Wars) environment. AI isn't bad. Humor is prevalent. Single-player game is great--once. Not as strong a replay value, any mods out on the 'net notwithstanding. Needs very powerful hardware since this Q3A-derived game apparently had some hooks in its PC version that aren't available for Mac OS, despite the point that I had a more powerful G4 and video card than on a PC I used for playing that version. As a result, the game can lag in some maps. Multiplayer is good, especially since MP supports multiple processors. Combine with high-speed connection, and you're the Emperor.

    Return to Castle Wolfenstein: (*****) Artful, authentic, realistic single-player. Great replay value since the diversity of how to accomplish a mission can be modified. Its multiplayer game shines brightest, with great maps and strong diversity in four soldier classes.

    Medal of Honor II: Allied Assault: (*****). Just play the Omaha Beach at Normandy level to know the art that this game represents. Very good AI, ultra-realistic.

    Other notables:
    Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos (If you bought one for your PC, you have the Mac version, too)
    No One Lives Forever
    Soldier of Fortune II
    The Sims: Hot Date
    The Sims: Vacation

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  78. I'm replaying Half-Life this Xmas by wackybrit · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've been very disappointed with the releases in 2002.

    2001 had Wolfenstein, which provided a lot of multiplayer fun, and while GTA3 provided many wonderful hours, I can't help but feel 2002 has been an extremely crap year for games.

    2003 promises us SimCity 4 in January, along with Vietcong, the AI team-based action game, Doom 3 will be out, Half-Life 2 is on the cards, Halo for PC will be out, Vice City for PC will be out. 2003 is going to be a BUMPER YEAR for PC games! I think the studios have been focusing on PS2 and XBox this year.. so next year it will be our turn.

    I have been enjoying Half-Life this Christmas. I have found nothing that beats the FPS gameplay of Half-Life (or its add-on packs). Max Payne was good, but way too short.

    I found Half-Life BlueShift for $5 in a bargain bin a few months ago, I completed it within a few days, but for $5 that was great value! And it still looks like a great game.

    Unreal Tournament 2003 disappointed me a lot. It's SO SLOW! I have 1Ghz and a GeForce 4 Ti4200, yet I still can't run it at 1280x1024 over 20fps. I think my system upgrade for Doom 3 might solve that ;-)

    So.. I still think a 4 year old game engine is providing the best entertainment out there right now. Let's hope 2003 gets the PC gaming industry innovating again, instead of throwing out rehashes of other games (MOH:AA comes to mind)

    1. Re:I'm replaying Half-Life this Xmas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Unreal Tournament 2003 disappointed me a lot. It's SO SLOW! I have 1Ghz and a GeForce 4 Ti4200, yet I still can't run it at 1280x1024 over 20fps."

      Here's a novel idea: TURN THE RESOLUTION DOWN!

      Fuck I can't stand it when people complain that they can't run a brand new game at max-everything and maintain 100+ FPS. Try knocking the res down to 1024x768 or even 800x600. In the heat of battle, you probably won't even notice the difference.

    2. Re:I'm replaying Half-Life this Xmas by wackybrit · · Score: 1

      Actually, the problem is mostly CPU and bot bound. Turning down the resolution to 640x480 improves matters a little, but not amazingly. Reducing to 1 bot improves things a whole lot, but who wants to play like that? I'll stick with Half-Life and Quake 3 until I upgrade :-) I was not impressed with the UT2003 gameplay anyway, hopefully Quake 4 will be a whole lot better.

      Besides, I have a TFT at 1280, so turning down the res is not an optimal solution.

      Roll on Simcity 4 and Halo :-)

    3. Re:I'm replaying Half-Life this Xmas by JWhitlock · · Score: 2
      So.. I still think a 4 year old game engine is providing the best entertainment out there right now. Let's hope 2003 gets the PC gaming industry innovating again, instead of throwing out rehashes of other games (MOH:AA comes to mind)

      Don't forget, they are still making the kick-ass FREE mods for the Half-Life engine. I'm having a lot of fun with this one. The interface is a first-person shooter, but it's actually a team-based resource management game. I'm not aware of any other game that's tried this (no, not even Warcraft - in Natural Selection, every grunt is another human player!). If you have the broadband and the time, check it out.

    4. Re:I'm replaying Half-Life this Xmas by Dolemite_the_Wiz · · Score: 1

      Me too. The Most of the Games released this year were utter crap (see my rant about NOLF2). The only game I would recommend is 007:Nightfire for the PC. The most recent game I bought was Quake 3 Arena for 20 Bones. There's nothing good out on the market at this time.

      As for Half-Life, this game never gets old. I'm having fun playing the following Mods (In order of Popularity):

      1)Day of Defeat - Kick Ass WW2 Mod
      2)TFC/Neo TF!!!
      3)Tour of Duty - Great Vietnam Mod
      4)Counter Strike
      5)DM

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  79. Kinda. by Inoshiro · · Score: 2

    "A good game deserves to win over a worse one, no question about that."

    True, but Tony Hawk doesn't deserve to win 8 awards (2 per console it's released on). If it's the best game that is also multiplatform, give it a separate category, or only award it the award on the platform it's best on (the Xbox, naturally).

    I know consoles cost money. But unless you really, really want to play Vice City, you won't buy one. If you won't buy one, there's no use complaining about it -- is there? You merely waste electrons and time.

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  80. so... by Twister002 · · Score: 2

    Do you write your own games for the console then?

    Would you buy a console if it didn't have any games released for it?

    *I* bought a console (gamecube) that had games I wanted to play. I guess you use yours for some kind of technological art piece? :)

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  81. The reason I mentioned it.. by Inoshiro · · Score: 2

    was because the poster probably games on his/her PC. For less than the cost of keeping that one PC up to date, that person could have every console on the market. I haven't upgraded my computers in a year. In the mean time, I own every console on the market (and several more older systems), have respectable collections of games and peripherals, and have a more varied experience in terms of types of games.

    The PC platform's great -- provided you like only strategy games or FPS games.

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  82. NWN beats Morrowind? by YokuYakuYoukai · · Score: 1

    i played both of these games and NWN may have been nice for its multiplayer, it was nowhere near the game that morrowind was. I have never in my life before played a single player role playing game with as much depth as morrowind. Not just storyline depth either, but subtle things like the changing of the moons. NWN was just a rehash of older game ideas.

  83. Best of 2001 by rirugrat · · Score: 2, Informative
    A look back at last year's Gamespot's Best of 2001 Games shows Max Payne at #2 and Serious Sam: The First Encounter at #1. Since both games were published by the now-defunct GodGames, they are available at a huge discount.

    Do yourself a favor and go to your local EB and pick up the Pack 5 Action Games which includes Serious Sam TFE, Heavy Metal 2 FAAK, Myth II, Oni and Rune for the grand total of $4.99! (Forget what the price says on the box, it will ring up less than 5 bucks). Serious Sam is a GREAT mindless shooter!

    Also, Compusa had Max Payne for $4.99 right after Thanksgiving, so for less than $10 I bought the Top 2 PC games of last year and a whole lot more!

    It pays to be a year behind the curve...

    Chris

  84. Where's HALO?!?!?! by jedir0x · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Is it me, or am i the only one that EVER plays halo? I know it's not meant to be played online... but i see an average of 400 people playing it on GameSpy, every time i logon. Although that number is not high at all, it's good considering the very high possibility that the game will lag to hell and disconnect if you have more than 3 boxes playing together in a game. Halo wasn't mentioned once though. I think it should get best shooter, best graphics, and best game of the year... if it didn't lag, best online multiplayer game too. Maybe it was counted last year or something, anyone know? O well. I must be getting old, i haven't heard of ANY of these games... well.. some anyway. BTW: how does Super Mario SunShine get "Best platformer" and "Biggest disapointment" at the same time? weird...

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    1. Re:Where's HALO?!?!?! by ctyner · · Score: 1

      My guess: because Halo wasn't released in 2002.

    2. Re:Where's HALO?!?!?! by matlokheed · · Score: 1

      Mario Sunshine gets best platformer and biggest disappointments because the titles are accurate. People had the expectation that Mario Sunshine would be what Mario 64 was to the last generation of consoles: earthshattering. It changed the face of platformers.

      Mario Sunshine is an excellent platformer (as in the best this year had to offer), but people were hoping for so much more (though noone knew what else to expect). It's a great game, but it's no Mario 64 (or it is, but it's not what Mario 64 was when it was introduced).

      As for Halo, it was technically rereleased this year so could potentially qualify, but against the shock/fun factor and variety of GTA: Vice City or the experience that is Metroid Prime, Halo doesn't really hold up. Especially with no official online multiplayer.

      The reason why it's got so many people playing online is because up until the last few weeks, Xboxers didn't have a lot of good stuff to choose from online.

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  85. Strategy by delphi125 · · Score: 2

    You keep using that word. I do not think it means, what you think it means.

    (from Webster's via Google) Strategy
    \Strat"e*gy\, n. [Gr. ?: cf. F. strat['e]gie. See Stratagem.] 1. The science of military command, or the science of projecting campaigns and directing great military movements; generalship....

    Although I enjoy such 'RTS' games as both *Craft X and Ao*, these games are neither 'real-time' nor 'strategy'. See both the definition above and the previous poster's comment for why it is not strategy, but what I find funnier is the idea that taking an hour to develop from the first to fourth age and building a 'Wonder', then defending it for another 15 minutes (representing a millenium) can ever be called real-time.

    True real-time strategy games will take months or years to play, presumably with AI avatars there to help.

    1. Re:Strategy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you! I hate it when people refer to these simplistic games as "full of strategy". 90% of the time it's highlight a group of guys that are more powerful than the enemies group of guys, then click on the enemy and watch them duke it out. Oh, you're losing? Click back on your base to retreat and come up with some better units.

      If you want real strategy in a game, you're going to have to take out the real-time element. So far, they've been mutually exclusive.

    2. Re:Strategy by ronfar · · Score: 1

      My friend Amornthep calls 'Craft-type games "planning games."

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    3. Re:Strategy by Grahf666 · · Score: 1

      Perhaps the genre should be renamed to "real-time tactics?"

      dictionary.com says of the word tactics:
      "The military science that deals with securing objectives set by strategy, especially the technique of deploying and directing troops, ships, and aircraft in effective maneuvers against an enemy."

      That would be a much better word to use.

      Oh, and the term "real-time strategy" was coined to differentiate the old turn-based strategy games from games where the clock was always ticking and the player had to make quick decisions. I don't think it was ever intended to refer to the nature of the time scale of the game.

  86. Subspace?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That game is. like, 5 years old. It's no more qualified to be Game of the Year than Starcraft or Half-Life, both of which were far more entertaining.

    1. Re:Subspace?!? by sesquiped · · Score: 1

      I didn't say it was "Game of the Year," I only said it's one of the most underappreciated games I've seen.

      And I'm still playing Subspace after 5 years, unlike Starcraft and Half-Life (which are great games, but they just don't do it for me like ss does).

  87. lurn too spel, damit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Loosing just a couple more units in one battle can turn the tide of a game.

    How do you spell the opposite of "tight"?

    How many o's in the opposite of "winner"?

  88. No One Lives forever 2?!?!? by Dolemite_the_Wiz · · Score: 1

    The review failed to mention that the multiplayer aspect of this game took a HUGE step backwards from NOLF 1 by releasing a multiplayer component against an AI enemy instead of other human players. When people posted their complaints about this, Sierra's view was 'Then buy a game that has onpline players against online players.' After a while Sierra changed their stance by releasing DM maps with their first SP.

    Also, this game is nothing special. there's no improvements over the first release of this game.

    I'll never recommend this game to anyone.

    It seems that this poll is the best of the worst of 2002.

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  89. I'm considering renting by Chuck+Chunder · · Score: 2

    I bought a PS (one) and only really played Metal Gear Solid on it and eventually gave it away. I'd have been better off renting it from a video store for a weekend. On the other hand I don't think that GTA VC is likely to be the sort of game you can knock over in a weekend, so perhaps it wouldn't work in the same way.

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  90. Gamespot vs Gamespy result by MrJones · · Score: 1

    Gamespot does not get it, they choose a game port as the GOTY on PC! Come on, it is suposed that the GOTY be a new and original game released in 2002. :-(
    Gamespy choosed a sequel and its a good sequel too. Also, they really make a point for the GOTY choice.

    It seems that Gamespot are only console fanatics because they choose a console game ported to the PC for their GOTY for PC. This is a sad, sad decision. But, at least we still have smart reviews on Gamespy! :-)

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  91. Getaway! by mejh · · Score: 1

    'The Getaway' on PS2 is fantastic, but not a mention anywhere...it was released on the 11th December - surely early enough to get considered!

    It's cracking, especially for people like me who live in London (for those that don't know, they have recreated over 40sq miles of London as the backdrop to carrying out the required gangster missions).

    It's probably because those two sites are US-based, so they probably don't appreciate the violence and cockney accents ;-)
    Either that or it hasn't been released in the US yet.

    Anyway check it out!

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