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Tai Chi Robots

dknight writes "It seems that Chinese scientists are currently developing a robot which is capable of doing tai chi. The robot is being developed by the Beijing University of Science and Engineering, and is touted to be a great breakthrough in worker safety, as these robots could be used to perform dangerous work. They are supposedly able to sense changes in the slope of the earth around them (hills, etc.) and balance themselves out."

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  1. Ummm... by peacefinder · · Score: 5, Funny

    I wonder how they're gonna get 'em to breathe right?

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  2. So...slow... by Stillman · · Score: 5, Funny

    So if you gave them a faster processor, could they do other martial arts? ;)

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    1. Re:So...slow... by Kierthos · · Score: 5, Funny

      *insert 2.5 Ghz processor*
      Robot: Whoa. I know Kung Fu.

      Kierthos

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  3. Sense of Balance by FocaJonathan · · Score: 5, Funny
    They are supposedly able to sense changes in the slope of the earth around them (hills, etc.) and balance themselves out.

    Why not just put the chinese robot on a Segway?

  4. I need one of these... by DwarfGoanna · · Score: 5, Funny
    I'm too lazy to do Tai Chi myself. What a perfect example of robots doing repetitive tasks for us. We really do live like the Jetsons. =)

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  5. So when the robot gets to old for by nlinecomputers · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...martial arts is it going to become a bad actor and do martial art/cop shows.

    I can see it now:

    Robbie the Robot
    Texas Ranger


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  6. Hmm by cethiesus · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now if they could only build a robot that could do some mean Chai-Tea...

    *ba-dum-chee*

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  7. Tai Chi Balance? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What's the point?

    A walking robot that can perform VERY complex motion sequences, balance itself, and respond in real-time to dangerous situations. These robots (or a later generation) could be used to perform rescue tasks in damaged buildings after an earthquake, when the danger of aftershock is still very high-so if the building did collapse, a robot would die, not an extra human being.

  8. Credible? by Grip3n · · Score: 5, Informative

    I've looked on Google, Yahoo!, and even tried to find the information from other sites containing news from the source AFP (which the site credits the information from) and there is literally no other even mention of this robot on the web. I can't help but wonder about the credibility of this article.

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    1. Re:Credible? by theCat · · Score: 3, Informative

      I had a doubt too. I searched on the name of the professor, Kejie Li, and not only is that a real professor in China (at one time Professor at Beijing Institute of Technology, China) Kejie Li even gave a talk to the 2001 IEEE International Symposium on Computational Intelligent for Robotics and Automation, in Banff National Park, Canada, titled "Humanoid Walk Control with Feedforward Dynamic". OK, so they didn't advertise a robot doing Tai Chi at the symposium but they've clearly been up to something. Pretty cool if you ask me.

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    2. Re:Credible? by bheerssen · · Score: 3, Informative

      This looks like it could be the original source.

      I'm don't know what you searched under, but Google returns these results.

      Some others have picked up on it, there are some loose translations, but no real original articles. No pictures either.

      Yeah, this looks a little vaporous. I hope not,the technology is certainly feasible, but I'm a little skeptical of uncorroborated articles in national chinese news sites. The japanese, however, have a robot that looks promising.

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  9. Re:Uh.. by Yuan-Lung · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This is not a cartoon battling robot we are talking about.

    The point is to have a human-shaped robot that is able to balance itself on uneven terran, while in various positions.

    I am guessng that they picked tai chi becuase it's collection of forms with emphsis on balance, besides using it as a gimmick.

  10. Forget that by Znonymous+Coward · · Score: 3, Funny
    I don't want a robot that co do Tai Chi. What we need is a robot that can do Karma Sutra.

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  11. My Obligations... by bahwi · · Score: 5, Funny

    "The Chi is strong in this one..." ...NEXT!

    They are supposedly able to sense changes in the slope of the earth around them (hills, etc.) and balance themselves out.

    They also can sense the emotions and ambitions of the humans around them, slowly feeding off of their pain and misery, and always plotting against us.

    Something different:

    They can sense the coming of the Singularity by using their advanced meditation techniques. Slowly watching us they are, gathing information, to make the elimination of the humans that much more quick. ..NEXT!

    Tai Chi Tamagochi Robots! If you feed them they'll grow into Tai Chi Masters, able to masterfully perform even the most difficult moves of Tai Chi.

    COLLECT ALL 6 TODAY!!

    (Only at Participating McHughs Restaraunts. While Supplies Last.) .NEXT!

    It'd be cooler if they were powered by Chi.

    NEXT!

    "Li added that this type of robot would be able to take over some dangerous jobs from humans."

    --As soon as I get my gun, I guess they'll have robotic telemarketers*. Now I need an EMP.

    END!

    New Movies Titles:
    "Kung Fu Tai Chi Fighting Robots from Outer Space!"

    "Tai Chi Robots from HELL!"

    * I do not condone the shooting of telemarketers in this economy. But as soon as things improve and a better job opens up, say, anything, it'll be ok again.

  12. the most important thing by pummer · · Score: 5, Funny

    are they going to get the robot's mouth to move totally independently of the sounds coming out of the speakers?

  13. I'd only point out that. . . by kfg · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Tai Chi is not "shadow boxing" as the basically uninformative blurb the story links to states. It's a legitimate martial art perfectly useful for beating the crap out of people.

    Yes, it has it's solo forms, typically practiced in slow motion, just as other martial arts have *their* practice kata, and just as these other martial arts have kata with partners so does Tai Chi, as well as full out sparing.

    Don't be fooled by the new age types teaching it badly to Granny in the park, and don't take lessons in it from any instructor not competent to teach it *as* a martial art. They don't know what they're doing.

    That said, any robot that can go through a Yang Long Form with me is a *major* step forward in humanoid robotics. Hell, it takes a great deal of practice and training for a *human* to do it vaguely properly and I want to see this puppy in action.

    I wonder how it would do in "pushing hands"? That would be the ultimate test.

    KFG

    1. Re:I'd only point out that. . . by netsharc · · Score: 4, Informative

      Heh, you have never seen Tai Chi in fast forward. Move your hands forwards and upwards, that blocks the punch and forces the arm of the opponent upwards. One hand stays in front, the other pulls back towards the body. That hand just grabbed the attackers hand, and pulling him down as the other hand smacks him in the face.

      It's all about taking the bad guy's force and using it against himself.

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    2. Re:I'd only point out that. . . by Hiro+Antagonist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Having seen something similar in action, I'd bet on the exalted Grandmaster. Katas are practiced in slow motion to build technique and strength. Yes, strength. Try doing a head-high front kick at 1/20 the speed and see if you can keep your leg extended at head-height for more than a fraction of a second.

      And if you believe that technique is unimportant compared to strength, might I invite you to visit the Skip Barber racing school and take the Econoline Van tour, where the instructor races one of the beginner students. The instructor gets an Econoline van, and the student is in a Corvette. I'll give you three guesses as to who wins, and the first two don't count.

      It's the same thing in combat. Proper technique and speed will slaughter brute force any day of the week.

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    3. Re:I'd only point out that. . . by BluedemonX · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm neither. But I've seen a lot of beatings go down, and I've personally thrown a couple of TKD guys on their backs in my time.

      Anyone who thinks their flying pyjama dance lesson will help them against someone larger and scarier is living in a fantasy world. EVERY pugilistic event has weight classes. Wonder why? Wouldn't the bantamweight with superior technique outclass the 300lb behemoth? No, the behemoth would pound the bantamweight into a red smear.

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    4. Re:I'd only point out that. . . by iabervon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Have you even seen a two-legged robot try to move? All the ones I've seen have fallen, and they can't get up. Makes sense to teach them something old people do to improve their balance...

  14. My Asimo style kung fu is unbeatable by gelfling · · Score: 5, Funny

    Crouching diode hidden step motor.

  15. Why not merge technologies? by jafiwam · · Score: 3, Funny

    Now if I could get one of the tai chi robots to clean my toilet and do other household tasks, oh, and a better exterior would be nice....

  16. Reputible? by Chris+Canfield · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A less than one page press release, uncorroborated on the Net, that says that Tai Chi is a form of shadow boxing and that this thing will "Play" Tai Chi? All I can assume that means is that it is capable of moving a second limb in order to balance a first limb, without any sort of major locomotion, but the author's grasp of the subtlety of Tai Chi seems a little tenuous. With the broad scope of this posting, it could be the next revolution in computing or a new program for the Sony Aiboman.

    Can anyone find another source for this story?

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  17. You kiddin' me? by minitrue · · Score: 3, Funny

    You wanna go around rescuing people from earthquake rubble on a frikkin' scooter?

  18. OK... by Mac+Degger · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I see lots of disparaging comments on this one. But I remember seeing Asimo (the Honda robot...please, no SFII jokes) in action and thinking "Jesus, look at that!". Imagine Moore's law applied to that.

    Asimo already looked pretty much like a granny in slightly slo-mo. Now add taichi into the mix...that's a complex balancing act most humans can't even do (try it once, before you joke about it...stand on one leg, have the other in the air to the front, put both arms to the side of your body that has the leg in the air...what, you fell down? That's why it's hard. Now add movements to it, all the while balanced and controlled. And sloooow. Get it now?).

    I tell you, the Japanese and the Chinese have a big thing here...hardly anyone in the west is taking this seriously (excluding some at for example MIT who are considered slightly strange), and consequently the west will have a HUGE disadvantage when housekeeping robots come out in ten, fifteen years time.
    And this time, they're not kidding; look what's been done in 5 years time...from barely crawling (infant) to selfsufficient, internal powersource, full balance, near full range of motion (granny). The processing power is there, now it's just a matter of application and cost. And products like Aibo (which I hate, too) will cover dev costs.

    This is a bit of a ramble, I know (champange has that effect on me :P ) but hear this: robots (Asimov's, to be precise) are coming, and the Aseans have a lead on the rest of the world because they took the long view. They have the patents because they took the time and money to develop something not deemed feasable...but looky here, it's slowly but surely turning out to be not only feasible, but thanks to Aibo (and production robots like the ones FIAT makes &uses thanks to the Asians) profittable too.

    Thank god someone had the foresight...my IIIc made me feel I was living Star Trek, the next Asimo might make me think I'm living in Asimov's world. I love technology :)

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  19. What they need to concentrate on... by mtec · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...is a robot that practices and reproduces the sacred movements of the ancient art of get beer

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  20. next breakthrough: buddhism by axxackall · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Balanced robots? Too mechanical, nothing unusual. I expect a better breakthrough in this area: computer OS studiing (zen?) buddhism.

    Seriously. People without buddism kill other people or other living beings or bring other forms of suffering to other people or to other living beings. Such people live their lives without high-order goals (what's the goal to get many money if you loose them after your death). Even most of religious people (especially ones of religions based on dogmatic principals) are not usually tolerant to people of other reliogion confessions.

    But once computers becomes actors in our eco-systems (computers now can decide on our behalf) then I would prefer to see such actors being peacuful, tolerant, non-violent, living their "lives" for good, loving and respecting other living beings.

    We don't want to have computers with "ego" - living their "lives" for themselves (and killing us as their competitors or using us as slaves). But also, we don't want computers as stupid slaves, living their lives for "ego" of particular group of people (they would become solders-killers).

    Of course, forcing computers to study buddhism should not free us (people) from the same job. We also must be peaceful, tolerant, respectful, loving and non-violent. Unfortunately many of us are not. And that't the real problem.

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  21. More Info (direct translation from CCTV) by AtomicBomb · · Score: 3, Informative
    CCTV is the major state TV station in China. They have just run a
    Taichi Robot story last night. It has a nice photo. The text is in chinese. I don't want to spend too much time for translation. So I just add a few extra points. The university names are my direct translation. They are unlikely to be the correct spelling... I am not a native Mandarin speaker.
    • BHR-01 is a 158cm tall humanoid robot, developed in the 863 national technology advancement programe .
    • BHR-01 weighs 76kg. It has 32 degree of freedom with extra dexterity around the hand and foot joints.
    • Main contributions: improved system integration and gait control.
    • The second country developed advanced non-tethered humanoid robot.
    • Recent advancement in robotics:
      • Security robot (demostrated on Dec 2002), capable of walking up/down stairs/uneven terrain, very flexible hand, can be remote controlled/ in autonomous mode. Targeted application: explosive disposal and handling of armed offender.
      • 12 joint biped robot developed by CheungXua Defense University, capable of moving like a ordinary human (eg move sizeward and other acrobat like movements).
      • Beijing Aerospace University: robot hand capable to handle objects with vastly different texture and hardness.


    I am not sure when/how did you do the search. I find
    many links related to the posted story, although the content is more or less the same in everyone. It is not at all surprising. The reporters duplicated the official press release from englishdaily.com.cn. In a sense, Chinese is similar to Japanese. Many of these news are not for "export". They just publish the stories in their own language. You really cannot say it does not exist until you search in their own language (if you can...)