What Lawyers Can Learn From Manga

jedigeek links to this article from Lawrence Lessig, writing "This article explains the interesting phenomenon of dojinshi, and why dojinshi helps fuel the production of original manga. From a western-perspective, dojinshi breaks copyright laws, but, according to the article's author: 'The law is a rough-edged tool. It was not crafted by geniuses of economics.' In a time when laws like the DMCA exist and are being exploited, this is certainly food for thought."

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Flesh Pole

[Anonymous Coward]

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[Peterus7]

H dojinshi is always very influential in making me come up with nice new ideas... For plot ideas, duh... And not dirty ones either.

Preaching to the choir

[grumpygrodyguy]

This place is developing an echo...when are we actually gonna make a dent in the real world?

I copyright this first post

[Anonymous Coward]

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Re:I copyright this first post

[Anonymous Coward]

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Re:I copyright this first post

[Anonymous Coward]

you couldn't get first post even if you were

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another victim of the American short attention span!

Re:I copyright this first post

[Anonymous Coward]

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[Trolling4Dollars]

Ummm... the obligatory:

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Sorry folks... it was just asking for it.

Couple of things..

[Maeryk]

I dont know if I would call it an "obsession" any more than I would call the US' dependence (to one level or another) on newspapers and "obsession". Manga is more of a cultural thing.

Apparently, slash is big in japan.. except they actually have the talent to do slash with art, rather than slash with badly-spelled-web-log-entries.

*sigh*

I was given a book on how to draw Manga.. and the
"rules" of character design, etc, are very very interesting.

Maeryk

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[emptybody]

title?
author?
price?
review?

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[DarkZero]

By "obsession" in this case, I think he really means fandom. Creating websites, fan works, and other entertaining, semi-productive time sinks around a commercial work that serve no purpose other than loving devotion. To geeks, this is not "obsession". To us, nothing is obsessive until it kills you. The rest of the world may have a more liberal idea of the word...

Re:Couple of things..

[Maeryk]

Ahh.. you mean like taking three relatively uneventful works of fiction, and basing 30+ years of fandom, movies, inspired works, conventions, and references from them?

Yeah.. Im sure glad the Japanese do that, and we dont do it here. *wink*

*grin*

Maeryk

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[Anonymous Coward]

No, he doesn't. The article said: Everyone knows that the Japanese are a bit obsessed with graphic novels, better known as comics. Forty percent of publications produced in Japan are comics, which provide 30 percent of Japanese publishing revenue.

It's not really so much that there's a larger fan base in Japan. Something like Comiket is big, but not big enough for those numbers. I suspect it has more to do with the language. Written Japanese is overcomplicated by the use of kanji. It's not expected for a person to be able to read a newspaper until they're finished with high school. While manga are partially subject to this problem (the text may still use difficult kanji) the pictures make the work more accessible.

That there's a big dojinshi market is attributable to fandom. That there's a big manga market is not so much.

(of course, why the Japanese don't drop the kanji and use kana exclusively is beyond me -- it seems that it would make all sorts of things easier)

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[Maeryk]

Title: "How to Draw Manga"
Author: "A Society For The Study Of Manga Techniques"
#PP: 116
ISBN# 4-88996-042-2
Published 1999, subtitle "Compiling Characters"

It goes in depth into design and shaping of characters.. including that manga SMILE, and the eyes, and (apparent lack of) nose, as well as shading techniques, and how to use pen, ink, pencil, tone sheets, and other items to make your manga look "real".

Also covers lettering, position of word bubbles and position of characters to convey action, emotion, etc.

It also goes to explain how the Hero is always one head taller than the Villain, who is 1/2 to 1 head taller than the lead female, and the comic relief is almost *ALWAYS* 3 heads tall, with his own head being 1/3 of that three.

It kind of goes into the un-written dynamic of characters that we all noticed when watching StarBlazers for the first time, but didnt realize WHY we were noticing.

As for price, I have no idea. It was an Xmas gift from my Mom several years ago.

oh.. and it has manga-boobies, too!

maeryk

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[charon_on_acheron]

Saw this book at WaldenBooks at the local mall. I don't care for manga myself, I just looked through it one day. It does go into a good bit of detail. The 'head' system of measuring character height you mention was interesting. (It had several characters standing with lines across behind them. I thought it was one of those height-charts the police use when they photograph someone they arrested. Confused me for a second, but good explanation followed.) I would guess the price at the $20 range, not too bad if you are interested in drawing manga.

Oh, and the manga-boobies were a neat surprise. Especially since I blush easily.

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[charon_on_acheron]

Oh come on..."Clerks", "Dogma", and "Jay and Silent Bob" haven't been out that long. ;^)

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[BJH]

Written Japanese is overcomplicated by the use of kanji.

Japanese, like any other language, is almost exactly as complex as it needs to be - several thousand years of linguistic development tends to remove the bloat.

of course, why the Japanese don't drop the kanji and use kana exclusively is beyond me -- it seems that it would make all sorts of things easier

It only seems easier to you that way because you read things like manga where kanji is not necessarily vital. If you read a Japanese novel, you'd see why kanji are required - reading with kanji is about ten times faster than pure kana.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Is this what you mean by "slash": http://www.beyonddreamspress.com/history.htm

I honestly don't know.

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[Maeryk]

That is the very basic beginnings. It has gotten much worse. Picard/Riker slash. Xmen/Furry slash.
there is even DragonballZ slash, for petes sake!

it scares me. It sometimes makes me wonder if the Internet is such a *good* place after all.

I usually differentiate by "fanfic"= nothing impossible by the specific rules of nature, "slash" = things that are quite usually impossible by the rules of nature. (And dont forget that Pern slash, for all your dragon-luvin needs!)

maeryk

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[Tychoma]

and the comic relief is almost *ALWAYS* 3 heads tall, with his own head being 1/3 of that three.

Well, given that he is measured in "heads" & he has one, isn't that a given?

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[RickHunter]

Doesn't matter. If it was originally written in English, its not worth the paper its printed on. Most are by an American wannabe manga author from the early '90s who thought that manga was all (note: all. As in, nothing else. Ever) about big breasts and scantily-clad females. Oh, yes, and Tenchi Muyo/Ranma ripoffs. And believed that there was one definitive manga style. There's not. Look at something by Leiji Matsumoto, three things by CLAMP, and one by Yu Watase. The art has nothing in common.

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[Genyin]

(of course, why the Japanese don't drop the kanji and use kana exclusively is beyond me -- it seems that it would make all sorts of things easier)

I disagree. In part, kanji offset the lack of spacing between words. As a student of the language, I find that, when I see a huge block of kana, it's next to impossible to read; kanji interspersed through it make it either an order of magnitude easier to read (if I actually know the kanji) or slightly easier(if I don't, because that means I probably don't know the word either)

Kanji are fairly regular, you know...

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[JaredOfEuropa]

Rubbish. To do the groundbreaking stuff, most people still need solid fundamentals to begin with, just as in music and the other arts. All good art studies begin by drilling the classics and fundamentals, and this book might (although I cannot speak from experience) provide a basis for drawing Manga.

To produce exceptional work without having studied the basics first can be done... by a few rare, extraordinary people. Us mere mortals cannot do without drilling first, and when we try anyway... well there are some unfortunate examples to be found in any art form. Spare me from that stuff please

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[susano_otter]

"Most"? What kind of assertion is that? Real numbers, and sources, please. At least the original poster actually provided a title, author, and publisher, along with concrete examples of what they liked about the work in question.

What's wrong with saying, "most non-Japanese manga artists and aficionados don't seem to 'get it', so you should probably check into these guys' credentials before you commit yourself to their way of thinking"?

Come to think of it, nobody becomes a manga expert overnight. Everybody's going to start somewhere, and they're always going to start out thinking that the little piece they've just discovered is the whole picture. It's rarely helpful to tell the beginner how stupid they are for not already being a master.

I doubt that you're the only person who ever figured out that manga is a rich and diverse art form. Do you really think that nobody else but you ever noticed that there was more to manga than "big breasts and scantily-clad females"? You may be an expert in western manga manuals (which I also doubt), but you can't tell me you're more of an expert than the people who write and publish books on the subject. Not without showing some samples of your own work or research to back up your claims, anyway. The other guys have written whole books on the subject--what have you ever done for the community?

Have you even read the book in question? How do you know anything about it? What if the authors acknowledge the wide range of manga styles? What if they make it clear that they're only focusing on a particular subgenre? What if they include a well-written forword, that discusses manga in general with insight and care? What if they conclude with a chapter of references to more detailed works, or works in other subgenres, or works by more sophisticated authors, dealing with more sophisticated aspects of manga? What if dropping a few names, and trashing authors and readers you know nothing about, makes you look... what's that word? Oh, right: "like an ass".

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[Katharine]

Actually, the "head" system is commonly used in figure drawing-- classical drawing as well as comic books. It is particularly useful for keeping things in proportion if you are trying to draw a figure from your imagination. There are different systems for figuring height of a figure in heads depending on if you are drawing a "realistic" figure, a "heroic" figure, etc.

Even fashion drawing uses the head system of proportioning the figure, it just changes the formula to distort the form so you wind up with unnaturally small heads on very long-legged bodies.

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[Djinh]

(of course, why the Japanese don't drop the kanji and use kana exclusively is beyond me -- it seems that it would make all sorts of things easier)

Why the West doesn't stop using this childish semi-phonetic alphabet and start using proper writing is something that's beyond me.

Do they want to appear illiterate or something?

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[Moridineas]

Japanese, like any other language, is almost exactly as complex as it needs to be - several thousand years of linguistic development tends to remove the bloat.

Hmm, that's an interesting theory, but do you have any sources or info to back that up? I don't really think that's true. Take English as an example--English has become more complex and more irregular with infusions of new grammar and new vocabularly. Compare to a language dead for almost 1500 years, Latin, which was very structured and very regular. Compare to a language like Turkish which "bloated" up from about 1000ad to 1920ad after which it was (forcibly) "bloated" down.

My statement on the language phenomena would be "languages evolve to serve a need and a niche" NOT to reach some superior state. Just like biological evolution, linguistic evolution doesn't always produce something universally better or less bloated. Biological evolution creates an organism better suited for a particular environment, not a creature that is (necessarily) better for all environemnts.

thoughts?

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[BJH]

Of course, that's true - but the 'environment' a language adapts to is formed by its speakers, so by definition a language will always improve for the group composed of those who speak that language. In other words, superiority is, by definition, determined by how well it serves its speakers.

A language does not improve in a direction that makes it easier to learn for non-native speakers (unless its main group of speakers is linguistically disparate - Creole/Pidgin languages are examples of this), bur rather to serve its speakers in whatever way is deemed necessary by the group. In a way, language development is quite democratic, although that might be better expressed as mob rule ;)

So, what you're saying and what I'm saying are really just different ways of looking at the same concept (although my use of 'bloat' was possibly not the best).

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[Xerithane]

Hmm, that's an interesting theory, but do you have any sources or info to back that up?

He probably has personal experience. As far as Japanese goes, I can tell you as well that kanji is much easier to read than pure kana, and I can barely read kanji.

A good comparison with efficiency in english is having two words that are spelled the same or sound the same, but mean different things. (Their/there, etc) Now, in Japanese the hiragana to display one of these words is going to be the same. Hiragana is based off of the 46 basic sounds in Japanese, so something that is said outloud the same will definitely be spelled the same. Score one for Japanese efficiency right there. Now, if you have two words (Butterfly and Lower Intestines is said the same) that are different, they are differentiated by seperate kanjis. You can also represent many hiragana characters, as well as difficult constructions, by easy kanji characters. Hokkyokusei, the word for north star, is 7 hiragana characters, but 3 kanjis.

More efficiency.

In conclusion of my little diatribe, Language does not become more bloated, it becomes more objectified. There are definitely more vocabulary and more constructions, but they serve to illustrate a point that is more clearly defined with the new terminology. It is still optional usage. You can communicate just fine using simple constructions in any language, but you can speak your ideas more clearly by joining objects together.

In Spanish, there is the subjunctive conjugation which allow complex sentences to be constructed. However, you can definitely say what is needed without it.

Think of it as Windows with IE that can really be removed and it still works fine. With real-time loading and no memory leaks :)

Re:Couple of things..

[Xerithane]

I disagree. In part, kanji offset the lack of spacing between words.
Interesting point, I've never actually thought of that before. ...when I see a huge block of kana, it's next to impossible to read; kanji interspersed through it make it either an order of magnitude easier to read
Just out of curiosity, if you read it out loud does it help you? Also can you read hiragana without pauses, and fluidly? When I was learning the kana I noticed I couldn't understand what it was that I was reading until I could read it without pausing at all.

Kanji is amazingly easier to read if you do know the kanji. I have the kanji vocabularly of a 2nd grader or so... it's annoying when trying to read something but you get over it.

Something else that may help you out is read kids books. They may be boring, but they'll help you. If you have access to some Japanese children, offer to read to them. It'll help you out :)

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[deaddrunk]

It's rarely helpful to tell the beginner how stupid they are for not already being a master.

Thats the Slashdot way. Anyone who wasn't born knowing insert obscure geek thing here is an idiot who should only be allowed to use Windows and watch Friends.

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[Broccolist]

I'm not advocating going to pure kana (ouch, painful), but it's obvious that the Japanese writing system is overcomplicated in comparison to the Western alphabetic system.

I could read English novels in third grade, whereas many Japanese 10-year-olds are forced to read only "kiddie" books because of lack of kanji knowledge. And as you surely know from your own experience, learning to read Japanese is far more difficult to learn for a foreigner than for a Japanese to learn to read English.

"Exactly as complex as it needs to be" applies to spoken language, which evolves freely, but definitely not to writing systems, which are consciously defined by imperfect individuals.

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[BJH]

Writing systems are *now* defined consciously, but this was most certainly not true up until quite recently - for example, take a look at the variance in spelling in English as late as the 18th century.

Kanji are only as limiting as your vocabulary requirements - lower requirements, fewer kanji required. This is quite similar to how, in English, a young child can't read adult-oriented books, as they haven't previously encountered the vocabulary used. Remember, once you learn a particular kanji, it's relatively easy to guess the meaning of words using that kanji in combination with others - but English provides far fewer clues as to the meaning of words encountered for the first time.

Re:Couple of things..

[greenrd]

Nah, come on. You can't blame the attitudes of a few elitist posters, probably lashing out due to lack of sleep/sex/food/sobriety, on the whole of the slashdot audience.

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[orulz]

"Written Japanese is overcomplicated by the use of kanji."

Kanji, I speculate, depends greatly on pattern recognition, something which is very deeply hardwired into the human brain. Once the brain has been trained to recognize the radicals, reading in Kanji not only helps one to read faster, but also assists in comprehension. It's a difficult system to learn, but many (myself included) would argue that the return is worth it.

Kanji also helps to clear up confusion about double meanings- like english, many words are pronounced the same but have different meanings. In english, the distinction often made evident in different spellings of the word; in Japanese, Kanji provides the clarification.

Without kanji, the Japanese language as a whole would lack color and be largely devoid of apparent links to its history.

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[Habikki]

I don't know the validity of this. But my friend mentioned that the US actually spured the "manga" craze over in Japan after WWII. Kinda far fetched because I thought that Manga has been around for a few hundred years, but his arguement was sound from what he told me. Something about that the US was trying to help re-build the economy over there so they came up with a relitavly cheap form of entertainment, comics. Which in turn spured their own style all of their own and you see it how it is today. Again, I don't know the truth behind it but it's a nice story. --Robby

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[Habikki]

The one that I've got is "How to Draw Manga" by The Society for the study of Manga Techniques, no specific author. ISBN: 4-88996-042-2 If you want a link to it on Amazon... http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/4921205000/ qid=1042307080/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_1/104-2666637-92471 48 They have like 6 volumes starting with the basic body's. Then Aparrel, then buildings, mecha, ect... it's shown me quite a few things. I used to not be able to draw and with a little practice and some tips that I learned in that book I'm thinking of starting a web comic. Cheers, Robby

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[gnovos]

of course, why the Japanese don't drop the kanji and use kana exclusively is beyond me

One word: homophones

Japanese has SOOOOO many homophones that if your took out all that kanji it would be simply impossible to understand what you are talking about. I have seen Japanese people draw the kanji in the air sometimes when discussing things that have similar sounds but completely different meanings. Without kanji they would quickly find themselves lost in even more misunderstandings than they do now.

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[Genyin]

Just out of curiosity, if you read it out loud does it help you? Also can you read hiragana without pauses, and fluidly?
A bit... although my vocabulary as a whole is a bit weak, so it doesn't help as much as it would otherwise. In large part, the kanji help there because they make it easier to identify parts of speech, making it easier to look stuff up (especially with furigana) or just take from context. I'm not quite at reading hiragana or katakana fluidly, but fairly close; once I start practicing again, I'll probably hit that point fairly quickly.

My kanji vocabulary is probably about 2nd grader or so myself... I know most of the 1st grade kanji, and then a smattering of other stuff. (the flip side is that my vocabulary as a whole is about the same)

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[Xerithane]

My kanji vocabulary is probably about 2nd grader or so myself... I know most of the 1st grade kanji, and then a smattering of other stuff. (the flip side is that my vocabulary as a whole is about the same)

If you have a good grasp of the dynamics of the language it should be pretty easy. With the exception of certain "shared" sounds (like ka, ego ka nihongo, or wakarimasuka) you can pick out the subjects in Japanese based upon the binding words.

That's how I read, works easy for me.

So "Dojinshi" is....?

[Bowie J. Poag]

Oh, I get it. Zit-faced twits too afraid of women to get any real action draw up some non-threatening pumpkin headed screamers on scraps of paper, and thats art...?

Last time I checked, art isn't sticky and suffed between a mattress.

Yup. Mod me down. Go ahead.

Re:So "Dojinshi" is....?

[Bowie J. Poag]

Seriously.

If you guys need some porn, just ask. Its not that scary, and your mom doesn't have to know. You really don't need to resort to drawing your own.

Re:So "Dojinshi" is....?

[Anonymous Coward]

TILEZ!!!! PLZ!!! kthx.

Re:So "Dojinshi" is....?

[Anonymous Coward]

Who keeps on modding people down? Somebody is - mod happy.... But then again, a lot of stuff here is off topic. Let's try to stay on topic people!

Anyhow, does anyone know of any good online dojinshi that aren't in japanese? (excluding megatokyo) Do the Japanese even have webcomics? I havn't heard of any, but if they did, that would really kill their manga/dojinshi industry. The thing is a lot of people (adults to children) read dojinshi casually, which is pretty different than here, where if you are 43 and go on a bus reading batman, you'll get weird looks.

Re:So "Dojinshi" is....?

[Compact Dick]

Last time I checked, art isn't sticky...

You must not have seen the Load/Reload covers yet...

Re:So "Dojinshi" is....?

[Trolling4Dollars]

Dude... what is your problem? Some people enjoy anime, let them be. Personally, I enjoy anime AND I'm married. So much for your theory about pimply faced teens that can't get any action. My wife watches it with me and enjoys it just as much as I do. The story lines are facinating and MUCH more interesting than most movies with flesh and blood people in them. Of course I also enjoy porn... nuthin' wrong with that either. My wife agrees on that point too. Methinks YOU may have been the pimply faced teen with no action. Come on... admit it. You'll be a lot happier once you do and move on...

Re:So "Dojinshi" is....?

[CrazyDuke]

If its one thing I've learned, it's not to knock what floats someone's boat just because it doesn't float yours. Just because their tastes don't match yours does not make them any less human. Intolerance is a great way to make enemies of people who otherwise wouldn't give a shit.

Oh, by the way, numbnuts, doujinshi is simply fan drawn manga. It is not necessarily pornographic. It seems you are thinking of hentai in general. Try learning a little more about things before you deside to snub it. It will make your argument much more sound if you know what you are talking about.

Ok, I'm done combing your boogers out of my hair now.

Re:So "Dojinshi" is....?

[Anonymous Coward]

Hey Bowie! You must be gettin' mellow with age. You gonna let that trolling 4 dollars guy get away with what he said about you? Damn. You used to have the razor tongue and the rapier wit. I guess everyone has his day. Laterz.

Re:So "Dojinshi" is....?

[Anonymous Coward]

Ok...ok...

So your a portly pimply faced adult with a portly pimply faced wife with the emotional maturity level of a south american prarie iguana - which ironically is about what it takes to appriciate anime as "fine entertainment".

I don't even WANNA think about you watching porn or fucking. No...seriously...keep your pasty assed exploits to yourself. Pigs like rolling in shit and I don't like seeing that either.

Re:So "Dojinshi" is....?

[Anonymous Coward]

Bowie... I've been waiting a long time for this opportunity:

Blow it out your canker infested asshole you turd!!! Ever since you made those comments about me on Usenet a few years ago, I swore I'd follow you with a vengance to any forum you care to put your worthless dogrel on. You are a sorry, nasty, lonely, bitter turd. I hate you. I hate the day you were born. I hate the fact that you even have access to the internet. You should be banned from anything online because you are an annoyance. The website that I put up to decry your ridiculousness is only a testament to how foul and odious you really are. I'm sure you've seen it. I KNOW others have seen it and they've given me the "high five" time and time again. No one wants to hear what you spew from your festering gobbethole. Just log off for godd, will you!

Re:So "Dojinshi" is....?

[Anonymous Coward]

Actually, I'm a pretty fit guy for a "geek" and my wife is truly sexy (Think Ginger Spice). Sorry, but I think it is YOU who has the pasty ass. Mine is decently olive like the rest of me because I am a latino baby!! Shows what you know about real women assmunch.

Re:So "Dojinshi" is....?

[LadyGuardian]

I've heard many people describe Eva and Grave of Fireflies as mind-blowing experiences. But no one that knows Karen Finley or Mac Wellman's work. I just wonder if someone can weigh in on both sides.

No one knows about it because their fans don't go making translations into other languages and having fan pages so that others can discover it. Anime outside of Japan started as the tiniest segment of the population gathering in clubs and mailing tapes until the BBSs and the internet came along.

Art films are still in the tiny club stage... it's a little hard to compare. Anime fans can be snobs/purists just as much as Art Film fans. It's only when that segment grows to include the 'common' people that you will be able to make any viable type of comparison.

Re:So "Dojinshi" is....?

[kupo zero]

Thats true, Tt isn't necessarily pornographic, but a big part of the dojin market is indeed the hentai rape stuff.

Re:So "Dojinshi" is....?

[Anonymous Coward]

WHO THE FUCK MODDED THIS SHIT UP!!!? THAT

MODERATOR SHOULD BE KILLED VERY SLOWLY NOW!!!!

ASSMUNCHER!!! POAG IS AN ASSHOLE AND THE

MODERATOR WHO GAVE HIM FUNNY IS IS ASSMONKEY.

Reason: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING.

Fucking stupid filters. Sometimes it's necessary to yell to get a point across when the moderators are abusing their priveleges. I say this jackoff needs to have his nuts chopped off or tubes tied or something. We don't want people with his/her obvious lack of taste and intelligence reproducing. GOD!!! I hate moderators without a clue. Stupid fucking jackoffs!

Re:So "Dojinshi" is....?

[Bowie J. Poag]

Youre a complete fucking tard.

Lets say you see your neighbor fucking an inflatible goat. Daily.

Youre telling me that you wouldn't look down upon such a thing, since it just doesn't float your boat...but it floats his.

You are a complete fuckin retard.

Re:So "Dojinshi" is....?

[Bowie J. Poag]

Dont be so defensive.

You're like every other monkey. When someone takes your porn away, out comes the poo, and you start flinging it in every direction while you protest the fact you're not being allowed to wank off to pumpkin-headed screamers.

Please STFU, thanks.

Re:So "Dojinshi" is....?

[CrazyDuke]

Actually, I'd have to question my own tastes if I'm watching my neighbor fuck a blow up goat every day. Ok, lets go through some of the little freaky freaky things people I know and consider my friends like.

1. BDSM/torture
2. Bi, men & women
3. Gay, men & women
4. Beastiality
5. Ponygirls, catgirls, & bunnigirls
5. Snuff
6. Food fetish
7. Pissing
8. hentai and toons, of varius types
9. rape
10. Oh, and a guy who bones a suffed cave girl thingy.

I know I'm missing some... Do, I look down on them? No, actually I look up to some of them. I know these things about these people because I don't ride their asses when they dare to be themselves. If you opened your eyes and shut your mouth a little more, you'd probably find much the same with the people around you.

Re:So "Dojinshi" is....?

[Anonymous Coward]

So, you're Damian Warner? And this picture would be you then:
Geri Halliwell & Boyfriend/Assistant

Little help here...

[Anonymous Coward]

article.pl showed up in my referrer logs. What is article.pl?

Re:Little help here...

[Anonymous Coward]

Your mother.

Actually...

[Peterus7]

One of the nicest things about japanese H stuff is that it sometimes actually has a feasable plot, more than can be said about a lot of stuff from the states... That extends to the H-Dojinshis to the actual movies and stuff... And a lot of it is spin offs of series and stuff, kinda like a pervy fanfic.

Noo... I don't watch dirty animes... what gives you that idea...?

I'd still like to see an anime that gets it's characters from a dirty H-Dojinshi...

Re:Actually...

[Mandoric]

> I'd still like to see an anime that gets it's characters from a dirty H-Dojinshi...

Excel Saga. Many of the characters appeared in Rikudo Koshi's earlier h-doujin Daitenjin.

What lawyers *can* learn from hentai

[Compact Dick]

new and better ways of tentacle rape that they can then apply to their clients.

Oh, wait...

Re:What lawyers *can* learn from hentai

[Peterus7]

God, one innocent topic about dojinshi, and look how quickly it escalates to porno discussion... Damn... (Sadly, I think I contributed to it...) And also, look at all the people bragging about posting first... Wow...

Ever read megatokyo? It's an online manga/dojinshi that deals a lot with l33ty stuff. Very nice.

Re:What lawyers *can* learn from hentai

[Anonymous Coward]

heh, i posted almost the exact same comment before seeing yours. it's a pretty obvious joke, i guess. :)

Re:What lawyers *can* learn from hentai

[Mysterios]

everything i ever learned about street fighter girls with massive cocks fucking each other in the ass while sucking off the other characters who came buckets and buckets of semen all over each other i learned from doujin? ugh

What lawyers can learn from hentai...

[HungWeiLo]

Orifices that human beings were not meant to penetrate...with tentacles, no less.

Attentsion Mandrake users

[Anonymous Coward]

Please help vote gnome out of 9.1. As it is shitty software compared to kde, I think it would be VERY benificial to get rid of it, so use your votes to vote for teh kde software and get RID OF That shitty monkey software.

Re:Attentsion Mandrake users

[Anonymous Coward]

Please help vote kde out of 9.1. As it is shitty software compared to gnome, I think it would be VERY benificial to get rid of it, so use your votes to vote for teh gnome software and get RID OF That shitty monkey software.

lawyers

[Anonymous Coward]

I don't think lawyers need to learn how to tentacle-rape 14 year old girls.

(they already do a pretty good job of raping their clients anyway! ba-dum ksshh)

Lawrence Lessig

[Anonymous Coward]

No disrespect to Lawrence Lessig - the man is a brilliant lawyer and a champion for consumers against copywright abuse, but does /. have to put everything he publishes on the front page???

Re:Lawrence Lessig

[RustyTaco]

Yes. Yes they do.

- RustyTaco

Better yet, write something ORIGINAL!!!!

[Anonymous Coward]

Everyone is so concerned about the right to "copy". Whatever happened to creating stuff new out of nothing? Has society gotten so lazy that it must steal everything now, including new or improved intellectual concepts from those that actually get off their ass to do it?

Re:Better yet, write something ORIGINAL!!!!

[UserGoogol]

If writing something original was so great, than why do so many people write realistic fiction? When you're doing that, you're copying the Real World, when there are thousands of innovative Worlds to be created. Also, a well written story will inspire future stories. A good story creates a Universe, in which future stories can take place. People, after all, write Realistic and Historic fiction, (the latter is a better example) because they have found an interesting Universe (a real one, admittingly) in which they can put good stories. All the old works were derivative and group projects. Mythology and fairy tales work by this principle. You take a story world, and build upon it. As for Doujinshi and the equivalent, fanfics, fans of a certian art become deeply entwined in a universe, in a similar fashion to people of yore may have gotten involved in mythology (less so of course, because people actually believed in mythology, whereas the modern stuff is merely enjoyed deeply by their fans) and their imaginations thusly work in that universe as much as possible. Tolkien and those who followed him created a universe, and then filled it with stories. The universe-driven story, in my opinion, is one of very interesting importance. (Of course character-driven parts of the plot are important, but universe-driven plotlines allow an entire world to be unvealed.) But by revealing their universe to others, others will be compelled to respond with new stories. I think perhaps the right for someone to restrict what is published in their universe to some degree is a sane use of copyright, but I still think that the compulsion to write in someone elses universe is a key desire, especially as we can not all write universes by ourselves.

Re:Better yet, write something ORIGINAL!!!!

[datadictator]

Cease and Desist Letter:
From Some-Random-Lawfirm,

To whom it may concern:
You the author of [insert novel title] are hereby required to cease and desist in all further attempts to distribute this work under U.S. Copyright law.

Your book forms part of a class of fiction known commonly as realistic, which is based on the real world.
Our client, God, the creator of the World, the Heavens and The Orgasm and sole copyright holder to these works have ordered us to stop the rampant abuse of his copyright.

It was previously erroneosly thought that since these creations are bilions of years old, they have moved into the public domain. However the U.S. Congress has made clear it's believe that copyright laws are perpetual and furthermore that these new clauses are retroactively applicable.

Compare: The Sonny Bono Act of 1999.

Therefore all works of fiction and non-fiction (specifically those classified as 'science') in any media based upon or including images of these creations, have had their orriginal copyrights restored.

God has decided that, under certain conditions licenses may be obtained to publish derivative works provided they do not in any way contradict the accompanying users manual (Commonly called The Bible) and that full negotiable royalties are paid.

Signed
Jack The Ripoffer
Attorney at Law.

The law

[Amsterdam Vallon]

Anyone else think laws should be open-sourced so that we all, as a community of Americans, can view, revise, and change things as need be?

(If we could do this, cruel and blatantly odd laws that allow such travesties as the DMCA, etc. wouldn't be allowed to exist.)

Re:The law

[dcmeserve]

> Anyone else think laws should be open-sourced so that we all, as a community of Americans, can view, revise, and change things as need be?

Fundamentally, that's what a Democracy is supposed to be doing, isn't it? Though with the idea that everyone has to verify it before it's "released" (passed). We of course live in a Representative Democracy, wherein we appoint "experts" to do this job for us.

Your suggestion sounds like something you might call a "Contributor Democracy", where anyone who wants to participates in the process of formulating the laws.

Only problem is, how does the "release" mechanism work? In open-source, you just release a program when you want to, and people use it if they choose to. That won't quite work with a law: someone says "people shouldn't be allowed to do such and such", and then those who want to follow it do so. Or cops/judges choose which ones they want to enforce. Doesn't seem like that would be too effective. :)

But it's an interesting idea!

Re:The law

[Anonymous Coward]

Anyone else think laws should be open-sourced so that we all, as a community of Americans, can view, revise, and change things as need be?

No. If you look over the constitution, it is specifically structured to PREVENT the public from having too much influence. Our founding forefathers knew we couldn't be trusted, and they were right; withness the assault on our liberties going on right now and the popular opinion that we should all be good little sheep and let the good guys find and punish the bad guys.

An excellent example of this paranoia is the way in which the house is elected; only 1/3rd is ever up for election at one time. Say, terrorists attack- you won't end up with a house full of people elected to blindly follow such an agenda; the theory goes that the other 2/3rds will keep anything truly stupid from happening. Unfortunately, our representatives themselves have turned into complete sheep and needlessly obsess over opinion polls and such; it's completely contrary to what our founding forefathers wanted; they clearly wanted the public held at arm's length from the lawbooks. Ask yourself sometime "if politicians follow polls so closely, why bother listening to their stance on issues during the elections?"

The whole point is to keep the typical public knee-jerk reaction from doing as little damage as possible. You always hear about how slow the government is to respond to change- well, guess what- that's a DAMN good thing. It's probably the only reason there aren't nice little checkpoints everywhere, passed into law by sheep thinking "it's okay to violate people's rights if it gets the bad guys!"

Re:The law

[jmooney]

Anyone else think laws should be open-sourced so that we all, as a community of Americans, can view, revise, and change things as need be?

Before technology made that theoretically possible, having elected representatives was probably supposed to get as close to that as practically possible. Of course there would need to be VERY strong community stability controls to prevent the law swinging wildy with fads. Even something as simple as a slashdot discussion has layers of moderation and meta-moderation, and you still get a ton of junk posts just because they can. Something like the Linux kernel depends on a trusted dictator, which is works when you can have many different software implementations and ignore all but the effective ones. We can't afford to allow that with laws, we have to pick ONE right law for everyone before implementation.

Today, I think the biggest barrier to progress towards the community ideal is that in America campaign contribution money can apparently override logic via blitz advertising for votes. That effectively breaks "one man, one vote". I'm not an American nor do I live in America so I can't directly participate in that process, but it still affects me at home because those policies are exported via political pressure on other countries.

DMCA-like policy is only one of a number of unpopular policies that are being pushed on legislatures worldwide by corporate lobbying. In most countries corporations don't have as much influence over politics, so more and more internationally we are seeing government-to-government pressure from American politicians who are apparently legally allowed to owe big contributors big favors.

Maybe American campaign finance reform is the way to break that barrier down, make American individuals votes count more than dollars again, and other individuals in their own countries too.

Where I live, political campaigning by individual politicians is limited to 6 weeks before the election and must stop the day before the election. Individual electorate politicians have a campaign budget limited to merely thousands of dollars, enough for volunteers to put up posters and local some local media advertising but not enough to blitz the mass media. Penalties for exceeding this spending limit go beyond removal of that individual from office. The budgets for political parties are not as limited, but any party that can prove signed up membership of more than a certain number of people can get government contribution towards equal TV advertising time. This means that campaign money is not essential to a party getting a message publicised. No guarantee people will watch, but still a better chance.

Not having to listen to a two-year run-up to every four-yearly election is one of the minor benefits of fairer campaign finance, the major one is that people's votes would count for more in making the law.

Re:The law

[Yosemite_Mark]

An AC wrote:

An excellent example of this paranoia is the way in which the house is elected; only 1/3rd is ever up for election at one time

Actually, it's the Senate where only 1/3 is up for re-election at any one time: In the House of Representatives, the whole body is up for election every 2 years

Re:The law

[deaddrunk]

Which country is this, and is it worth emigrating?

Re:The law

[jmooney]

In my case the country is New Zealand, but many countries have similar laws. Australia is similar, perhaps many countries with political systems based on Britain's might too (I don't know the details).

Although I enjoy trips to the US, yes I do think it is worth emigrating to NZ for a variety of reasons. If you are a skilled professional or have the means to grow new business here you should qualify under our immigration rules, Mr/Ms "deaddrunk". ;-)

However, some of us would appreciate it if you could vote in campaign finance reform first, Thanks.

Ironic that money counts for immigration and this thread was about money counting less in politics.

Pfft... Lawyers need money too...

[Nogami_Saeko]

Lawyers do NOT want companies thinking like this article suggests. They WANT companies starting lawsuits over the smallest of violations, real or imagined.

It's how they get themselves paid.

Why would they want anything else? They coach their clients strongly to persue every available legal option by using the tried and true "scare tactic" marketing technique: "If you DON'T sue them, think what the NEXT person might do - you don't want your product to get away from you!".

Re:Pfft... Lawyers need money too...

[odin53]

They coach their clients strongly to persue every available legal option by using the tried and true "scare tactic" marketing technique: "If you DON'T sue them, think what the NEXT person might do - you don't want your product to get away from you!".

This is called their ethical duty. Because otherwise, the business person will sue their lawyer for malpractice when one of the "next persons" actually does something bad to them.

Re:Pfft... Lawyers need money too...

[Alsee]

Which is exactly why companies have to remember their lawyers work for them, they don't work for the lawyers.

-

Re:Pfft... Lawyers need money too...

[moosemoose]

This is absolutely true. I used to practice law (with one of the nation's largest law firms). it is well accepted among plaintiff and defense lawyers that the client is the true enemy. we would spend thousands of dollars of the client's money to protect them from hundred's of dollars of potential liability. there is no sense of proportion or of balancing cost versus benefit in the practice of law. this problem is PERVASIVE thoughout the legal industry.

Re:Pfft... Lawyers need money too...

[LostCluster]

What the lawyer won't tell them, because he has no way of knowing, is how much good can come to the company by allowing Person 1 to continue uninterrupted, or perhaps even with the encuragement of the company.

It's the lawyer's duty to warn the company of what can go wrong legally, but somebody should call marketing and PR to to find out what can go wrong if they do go forward with the lawsuits.

Sometimes, the business benefits more from Person 1's actions are so much greater that the risk of Person 2 should be accepted, and dealt with when Person 2 comes forward.

Re:Pfft... Lawyers need money too...

[silentbozo]

There are plenty of idiot lawyers too, with no understanding of the industries they're supposed to be supporting. There are fewer of them in the dealmaking portion (dealmaking, not litigation) of the entertainment industry, for the simple fact that morons who don't know how the business is run can hold up projects over trivial details that NOBODY worries about in the real world. These people do not get work again.

Unfortunately, this isn't true in many other areas, where a legal staff works to expoloit ever more exotic interpretations of the law, and strategies to counter said interpretations.

Even worse are the ambulance-chasers, both literal and figurative, like those lawyers in Germany who decided to sue on Adobe's behalf (without asking Adobe) to kill KIllustrator. People like this should be instantly, and PERMANENTLY disbarred from every jurisdiction in the world, in addition to being labled as pariahs just as despicable as the accountants/tax lawyers behind the Enron and Worldcom book-cooking.

I've studied bits and pieces of contract and IP law, in order to protect myself (and yes, I do occasionally consult with someone who actually has a J.D.) Knowing a little bit of law is good - having to learn the intricacies in order to someday defend against a frivolous lawsuit is ridiculous. How long before people have to become lawyers just to defend themselves against these roving bands of legal malcontents?

There have been people calling for the government to protect us from drugs, violence, porn, and the internet. Where are the people calling for the government to protect us from the goddamn lawyers!?!?

Re:Pfft... Lawyers need money too...

[Anonymous Coward]

It's not just the lawyers. It is society as a whole. I remember one of the first cases I had to handle as a summer associate. After reading the file, I realized that the whole lawsuit could have been settled , but the parties were less than $1000 apart in how much was owed. I asked my supervisor, "it's going to cost much more than that just to file this motion, why are we going on with this?" He said that the client feels "wronged" and does not want to settle.

This happens more often than you think. I was on a photo message board and there was a guy complaining because someone used his image in an ebay auction. I asked him how, exactly, he was harmed. Of course, he wasn't, but the principle was that he didn't want someone using an image of his (that was posted on the web), even though, monetarily, he wasn't harmed.

Re:Pfft... Lawyers need money too...

[Planesdragon]

There have been people calling for the government to protect us from drugs, violence, porn, and the internet. Where are the people calling for the government to protect us from the goddamn lawyers!?!?

You mean like Tort Reform in NYS, which has the highest per-capita Lawyer population in the US?

Re:Pfft... Lawyers need money too...

[Anonymous Coward]

Just to note, this is not commonplace just to lawyers. It's common among all professions esp. where barriers to entry, primarily educational barriers, is high; professions where a professional school, i.e. post-college education, is required are particularly prone. Better, professions which have gone beyond that of a career or job and where joining is tactic of economic concern, usually hand in hand with rising social and economic incentives, to further their career as a whole, not the subject of their careers, are particularly nasty.

Lawyers do it. Even doctors did it--some may argue that the entire advent of the HMO system of health care was massively helped along due to profession for the sake of money or status. HMOs were "invented" to hammer down rampant costs of the late 70s and 80s, where doctors took full benefit of insurance coverage plans (which typically paid out 100%, at least 80%, so the doctors just raised their prices and were given guaranteed income). Justifiably, union workers were demanding better benefits. The demand was such that at some point, the industry business was really a health business--more money when to health benefits than steel in a car in the early 80s. Business that was subsidizing these health care benefits/insurance plans for their workers were forced to step in, kicked the crap out of the MD profession with HMOs, which then started the back and forth arguments of HMOs being bad or good that peaked in the early to mid 90s.

The content industry may be hitting this point, being where the cost of fixing the problem outweights the benefits. It's hard to tell, give their books are all closed, but when bills like HR5211 are put forward, one has to wonder how they really are doing. And yes, they still make fistfuls of money, but they also aren't that dumb.

Re:Pfft... Lawyers need money too...

[odin53]

This is exactly right. The decision to actually sue is fundamentally a business decision -- it's the business people's job to make that decision with all the info it needs. Lawyers are not there to make business decisions for the business people.

Re:Pfft... Lawyers need money too...

[Anonymous Coward]

There have been people calling for the government to protect us from drugs, violence, porn, and the internet. Where are the people calling for the government to protect us from the goddamn lawyers!?!?

Once upon a time, the practice of law as a profession was illegal, in the state of Georgia.

You want a cite? This is /. We don't need no stinkin cites.

Re:Pfft... Lawyers need money too...

[sjames]

Interestingly, a surgeon doing the same thing will be severely disciplened by his profession and then sued. The medical profession's ethics include looking at the whole situation and risk/benefit. They would consider the lawyer's approach 'unnecessary surgery'

A sensible person will take action if/when the next person does do something harmful.

Sinse when is it ethical to tell people they must have your product/service in cases where it will likely do them more harm than good?

For the uninitiated

[tino_sup]

Doujinshi is fan drawn and developed. This is not a new phenomenon as copying original work has always been viewed as flattery in Japan. It is our application of Western laws and thinking that sparks the copyright debate.

Re:For the uninitiated

[Robotech_Master]

Some would say that Japan's culture has a deep basis in imitation--first the numerous inventions and innovations from nearby China, and in more recent times the electronics that we introduced to them in the post-war years. It's almost a cultural imperative.

Re:For the uninitiated

[BJH]

Japanese courts are capable of being just as hair-splitting as Western ones. The reason doujinshi get away with it is that most manga authors have, at some point, drawn doujinshi themselves. Other areas of the publishing industry are much more strict about copyright enforcement.

Re:For the uninitiated

[MrAndrews]

I raised that point with my wife once and she said it's not imitation, it's the Japanese desire to IMPROVE things. Electronics, cars, animation... the concept actually makes a lot of sense when you think of it not so much as copying, but more like 'creating more quality products'.

This is also apparent in Japan's (secretly) genetically-engineered vegetables, which are typically 5 times the size of their natural counterparts. A normal eggplant could feed one person, but a Japanese eggplant can feed a whole family.

Find good things, increase their worth.

Re:For the uninitiated

[Roxton]

Oh, certainly! I always found it interesting that the Chinese faced imperialism with a kind of "Don't change our way of life and we'll trade in the goods we're interested in," which while noble, culture-preserving, and laissez-faire ultimately resulted in the downfall of their expansive empire.

This is as opposed to Japan. When Commodore Perry fired off his cannon salute, the Japanese reaction was, "Oh, yes, we're very interested in trade. Why don't you start by showing us those cannons?"

What's the moral? When faced with a superior force, give in, become friends, conform, and hope that the last decimated shreds of your culture work its way into some kind of Greco-Romanish composite. Hey, I didn't say it was a good moral. Life sucks sometimes. :)

-Roxton, Jedi Hobbit with a Ph.D. in Necromancy

Re:For the uninitiated

[Anonymous Coward]

Actually, western thinking used to be more along these lines. It used to be a great compliment to have a popular artist take your painting and sign his name to it. (And I thought that history of western art class would never be useful...)

Re:For the uninitiated

[drinkypoo]

If you look at the first rev of something japanese it is cheaper than the american counterpart, yet reproduced down to the flaws in the design. My father told me an amusing story about an american motorcycle engine that had a somewhat serious design flaw which they faithfully reproduced in their own version.

On the other hand, the Japanese seem to excel at finding new ways to make things which make them cheaper and sometimes stronger, and usually smaller which is always good. It's easy to make something bigger, after all, at least the kinds of things we're talking about.

The Japanese do seem to be the leaders in efficiency as well. Nowhere is this as evident as in their automotive industry, especially when compared to ours. How many American cars do you think are running around Japan? Japanese cars tend to be considerably more fuel efficient, even the ones in the same class as the average american cars, and in Japan it is tolerably safe to drive subcompacts (getting safer here all the time though) so there's a ton of the little things with 1 liter engines and such getting insanely great gas mileage.

In any case it really is true that the Japanese got their start making copies of american industrial products and electronics, swiss watches and cameras... They took off from there and now they hold commanding positions in many industries, but it was based on making identical products more cheaply, a solution which has served companies well as long as there have been companies.

Re:For the uninitiated

[MrAndrews]

>How many American cars do you think are running around Japan?

Actually a surprising number. The other thing that is very Japanese is a sense of inadequacy. They buy American cars because they think they're better, they don't see themselves as being better at electronics, entertainment or technology... that might be why they keep trying so hard.

My wife points out that the Japanese do think they're better than Canadians (which is why they suck at hockey I guess).

Re:For the uninitiated

[drinkypoo]

My wife points out that the Japanese do think they're better than Canadians (which is why they suck at hockey I guess).

This instinctive scorn for Canadians is the one thing that truly gives me hope for world peace. Everyone can agree on it.

Lies, Damn Lies, and Freakin' Lies.

[Mulletproof]

"There's a lesson in this example that executives in the content industry should think about before they sign away their businesses to lawyers. The law is a rough-edged tool. It was not crafted by geniuses of economics. How it affects new and different markets is uncertain. A smart business therefore asks not whether the use of its content is "theft," but whether the use of its content will (eventually at least) benefit it. The business of business is to make business, not to purify the world of copyright violations..."

Is it just me or doues this sound like the definition of business for it's own sake? I realize the business of business is to make profit, but that statement make it sound as if the law is a secondary concern, an inconvinience that need be followed only if you're in a good mood.

And of course the law is a rough edged tool when viewed upon from a purely business stand point. That's because most laws aren't designed with only business in mind. There are these things called "people" too...

Oh, and didn't they know that purging the world of copywrite violations creates business too? Maybe they should have had somebody else write this piece...

Re:Lies, Damn Lies, and Freakin' Lies.

[jericho4.0]

There is a difference between laws. The criminal code is enforced by the state, but contract and copyright law are enforced by the stakeholders, with help from the state. So the choice to apply the law is up to the copyright holders.

The fact of it is, of course, that buissness violates laws for profit all the time. When the consequence of a violation is a fine, it just becomes another risk analysis to make.

Re:Lies, Damn Lies, and Freakin' Lies.

[wmansir]

It's not against the law to use a copyrighted work if the copyright holder allows it. Copyright law requires the holder to actively defend the copyright. All the author is asking is for the companies that hold these rights asks themselves if the value of defending the copyright is greater than the benefit of allowing the infringement.

A perfect case of ill advised copyright defense was when NBC systematically destroyed the online fan base of "Late Night with Conan O'Brian" by sending Cease and Desist letters to many fan sites. Sure, they were within there legal rights to force the removal of NBC copyrighted material, mostly pictures and logos, but the bad will they generated far out weighed the value of the material defended.

Re:Lies, Damn Lies, and Freakin' Lies.

[SillyHamster]

Well, its not that law is a secondary concern, its that there are two kinds of law.

The first one is criminal law. These are wrongs against society (like murder, theft, and what not), and the person guilty of it will be punished by the government.

The second kind is civil law, which involves torts, wrongs against either individuals or organizations. These are pursued by the victim to the perpetuator in order to receive recompensation for any damages.

The two often go together. (ie: You stole my computer. You've acted against society and me. I may sue for the damages caused to me [cost of a new computer], or whatever it takes to put me back financially before you stole my computer under civil law. Then you are slapped with jail time or
a fine under criminal law, to serve as a deterrent to other potential theives.)

Now, in this case, to the best of my knowledge, the fans have not violated any criminal law, so there is only a tort (private wrong) involved. As such, the business has the right to sue the fans for any damages that they can prove. BUT, the company may choose not to sue the fans for whatever reason.

In this case, its because they think that by letting the fans do so, they will get advertising (Hey... what's that cool comic based off of? Trigun? Cool... gotta check that out.), and by not suing their fans, the fans will likely be happier with the company and keep buying stuff.

If the company instead sued the fans, that would hurt their business, as they are basically attacking their customers, which are their revenue source. (like shooting yourself in the foot... not very intelligent.)

IANAL, but I'm taking a law class in high school, and hopefully this clears things up a bit. (and please correct me if I got anything about this wrong.)

Re:Lies, Damn Lies, and Freakin' Lies.

[dcmeserve]

> I realize the business of business is to make profit, but that statement make it sound as if the law is a secondary concern...

But copyright law is made expressly *for* the benefit of business. So, like the right of an assault victim to choose whether or not to press charges, a business that owns a copyright has the right to decline enforcement of these laws.

Re:Lies, Damn Lies, and Freakin' Lies.

[void*]

A smart business therefore asks not whether the use of its content is "theft," but whether the use of its content will (eventually at least) benefit it. ... is it just me or doues this sound like the definition of business for it's own sake?

I think you're missing the point a bit. If a business owns the content, it can look at the cases of unauthorized use of it's content, and say, 'hey, this use is actually benifitting me, even though it's using my characters and I could likely sue the pants off them if I so wished. Since it benefits me, I think I won't sue them'. This is a far cry from 'business for it's own sake', which to me would mean something to the effect of 'hey, this is entirely unethical and probably illegal, but it makes me money, so it must be ok!'.

Re:Lies, Damn Lies, and Freakin' Lies.

[cpt kangarooski]

A smart business therefore asks not whether the use of its content is "theft," but whether the use of its content will (eventually at least) benefit it. The business of business is to make business, not to purify the world of copyright violations..."

Is it just me or doues this sound like the definition of business for it's own sake? I realize the business of business is to make profit, but that statement make it sound as if the law is a secondary concern, an inconvinience that need be followed only if you're in a good mood.

There are an incalculable number of illegal acts performed daily, both civilly and criminally. That a law is broken does NOT necessitate the exercise of remedies against the lawbreaker.

If you don't care if people infringe on your copyrighted work, you don't have to, and shouldn't have to, sue them for doing so. Just let them. It's the choice of the copyright holder, and forgiveness is absolutely an option.

Re:Lies, Damn Lies, and Freakin' Lies.

[RealAlaskan]

Is it just me or doues [sic] this sound like the definition of business for it's own sake?

I'm pretty sure that it's just you.

... that statement make it sound as if the law is a secondary concern, an inconvinience that need be followed only if you're in a good mood.

``That statement'' says that a smart business does not claim to be harmed by, and seek legal redress against, persons who are helping them to profit. Think about it: if copyright-infringing fanzines keep fans buying your product, do you sue and shut down the fanzines, or do you smile all the way to the bank? That's the point you missed. Lessig isn't saying that business should violate the law, but rather that business should not persecute their customers.

The point that I think Lessig missed is that this is a classic example of how bureaucracies can go wrong. The lawyers who work for the business see an opportunity to prove their worth by suing as many people as possible. Never mind that these suits may be driving away customers, and harming the business. Any business big enough to hire a stable of lawyers is big enough to show these bureaucratic tendencies.

And of course the law is a rough edged tool when viewed upon from a purely business stand point. That's because most laws aren't designed with only business in mind. There are these things called "people" too...

I'm surprised to hear you say that. It seems to be commonly accepted here on Slashdot that laws are purchased by business, for their own consumption. Ergo, laws ARE ``designed with only business in mind.''. Or else our legal system is basically sound. Take your pick.

Re:Lies, Damn Lies, and Freakin' Lies.

[MacAndrew]

One argument for the types of laws and number of lawyers in America is that we have a very complex society that happens to provide a very good environment for business. Only a small percentage of lawyers are litigators, the majority are part of business. Business benefits not just from laws and lawyers to protect its interests, but also from predictability of its relationships. That's why all the big companies are incorporated in Delaware -- its corporation law is considered very good, and it is a consistent standard.

Anyway, businesses ask themselves all the time whether what they're doing will increase profit (that's about *all* Enron, Worldcom, et al. apparently did) rather than suing over an abstraction of intellectual property theft. The DMCA and Sonny Bono Art were pushed because it was thought they would be profitable.

BTW, it is frequently represented that the U.S. has many time more lawyers than Japan, overlooking another cultural difference. Many Japanese "lawyers" work for companies and perform the sorts of tasks that in the U.S. would be done by someone with a JD. We have this in the U.S. to a lesser extent, as with accountants who are in a gray area of practicing law by interpreting, applying, and advising clients on the tax code.

I welcome the cultural comparisons. It's always interesting to see how the next guy does things. Isn't is funny, though, how quickly all the calls of the 80's for America to follow the Japanese business model evaporated several years ago? Different tactics work at different times -- and different philosophies for different cultures.

On copyright violations -- it's a shame that the maturation of fair use signalled by Acuff-Rose has been reversed by recent legislation.

Re:Lies, Damn Lies, and Freakin' Lies.

[Anonymous Coward]

Sorry, but Copyright NEVER was intended to benefit business. Look it up. It's to promote science and the arts. It might have been a countermeasure to allow 'starving artists' and 'betrayed scientist' to benefit from their life's work. The copyright grant was intended to protect an individual, and now that individual has been immortalized in corporations.

(personally, i think all copyrights should be revoked from corporations. but that's because i'm evil >=P, and should not be counted against me.)

Re:Lies, Damn Lies, and Freakin' Lies.

[rgmoore]

Sure, they were within there legal rights to force the removal of NBC copyrighted material, mostly pictures and logos, but the bad will they generated far out weighed the value of the material defended.

This is not quite correct because you're getting different areas of Intellectual Property law confused. (IMO this shows how right RMS is when he says that thinking about Intellectual Property as a monolithic subject is a bad idea.) The logos are not NBC's property under copyright, they're NBC's property under trademark. A trademark does have to be protected; if the holder lets others use the trademark willy-nilly, it can pass into the public domain. That means that they're forced to go after people who use their logos or risk the loss of those trademarks.

Of course that doesn't mean that the lawyers have to go after the trademark violators full guns to start with. The lawyers could very easily have written Cease and Desist letters that were polite and appologetic while still being firm about removing the offending material. It's quite possible to make your point without being an asshole about it.

Re:Lies, Damn Lies, and Freakin' Lies.

[dcmeserve]

> It might have been a countermeasure to allow 'starving artists' and 'betrayed scientist' to benefit from their life's work.

Yes, and that'd be a business, no?

An individual can conduct business.

I didn't say corporations. :)

Re:Lies, Damn Lies, and Freakin' Lies.

[LostCluster]

A screen grab of Connan sitting at his desk with whomever his guest happens to be is not a trademark, it's copyright protected.

NBC wasn't going after people who were using the show logo on their fan sites. In fact, that's not gonna be a legal winner anyway, when you're discussing something, you're allowed to use its trademark logo make it very clear what you're talking about.

They were going after people who were using too much of their copyrighted work. Legally, that's a clear cut winner of a case. However, in the business logic, will shuting down the sites cause the show to lose more than it gains. That's a tough call, does the sites existance cause people to not watch the NBC broadcasts or encurage people to watch the NBC show by catching them up with what they missed on the days they couldn't watch.

It's a tough call... but everybody seems to go to the lawyers first, and never talk to the marketing people about what benefits allowing the infringment to stand might bring. Sometimes there's more to be gained by inaction than going to court.

Re:Lies, Damn Lies, and Freakin' Lies.

[jheinen]

"Copyright law requires the holder to actively defend the copyright"

No. That's trademark. Copyright is automatically granted and is always enforceable. You need not defend your copyright to keep it.

Re:Lies, Damn Lies, and Freakin' Lies.

[ChaosDiscord]

I realize the business of business is to make profit, but that statement make it sound as if the law is a secondary concern, an inconvinience that need be followed only if you're in a good mood.

And of course the law is a rough edged tool when viewed upon from a purely business stand point. That's because most laws aren't designed with only business in mind. There are these things called "people" too...

Actively trolling, or are you just stupid?

Laws don't exist for their own sake. Laws (in general) exist to protect people from things our society deems wrong. Our society has deemed copying something that someone else created without their permission as wrong. So copyright law was created. Copyright law solely exists to try and protect creators.

If a particular creator decides that the a particular copyright violation is in his best interests, who are you to insist that the law be enforced? Lessig isn't arguing that copyright violations are acceptable, he's suggesting that businesses who have the option of pressing charges against a copyright violator consider the business ramifications of doing so. It might be that in some cases it will be more profitable to let the violation slide. It's the businesses choice to make, blindly enforcing the might actually cause harm to the business, the very entity the law tries to protect!

When a business or an individual decides to let a violation slide, that decision doesn't affect the rights of other individuals or businesses to press charges against other copyright violators. Everyone wins!

Re:Lies, Damn Lies, and Freakin' Lies.

[Anonymous Coward]

but that statement make it sound as if the law is a secondary concern, an inconvinience that need be followed only if you're in a good mood.

You are obviously not familiar with the debt collection industry in the United States. It is impossible for a debt collector to call a consumer, and not violate the FDCPA. Those who have attorneys who complain to the collection agency, and/or file suit will find the agency writing checks for $5K or more, just to get the person to go away.

Re:Lies, Damn Lies, and Freakin' Lies.

[sjames]

No!

It says nothing about obeying (or not) the law. It says a great deal about not doing harmful things just because you legally can. It says that businessess should not be petty.

Purging the world of copyright may create business for lawyers, but if it doesn't enhance my business, why should I pursue it needlessly? It's hardly a humanitarian concern (many, including my customers would say it's quite the opposite).

In many cases, the law was created only with law in mind. In others, the legislators simply assUmed that nobody would be stupid enough to spend $2000 to recover $800 (apparently, they were wrong there).

Re:Lies, Damn Lies, and Freakin' Lies.

[sjames]

The lawyers could very easily have written Cease and Desist letters that were polite and appologetic while still being firm about removing the offending material. It's quite possible to make your point without being an asshole about it.

They could even have arranged for a simple no-fee licensing of the trademark for the site. Defense doesn't mean you have to say no, it just means you have to insist on being asked and that if you say no, it means no.

wierdest quote ever...

[Anonymous Coward]

[i]consumers should be banned from hacking Sony dogs,[/i]

Great Questions

[jaaron]

From the article:


Management should begin to demand a business justification for copyright litigation. How does this legal action advance the bottom line? How will it grow markets or increase consumer demand for our products? Will calling our customers criminals increase consumer loyalty?


If only more executives would ask these questions. Few businesses have realized the true power of fans and fan or user created content. Just look at the classic example of Half Life and Counter Strike. Where did these ideas that copyright law trumps the copyright holder's profits come from anyway?

Re:Great Questions

[LostCluster]

A lot of businesses now are so desperate to post a profit in the present period, that they are willing to do things that come back to bite them in the long term.

Nobody seems to think of their company as a going concern... a business that's still going to be here next week, next month, or next year. Something that costs you a dollar today but gets you back 25 cents a year for each of the next ten years is usually a good deal, isn't it?

Re:Great Questions

[Flakeloaf]

Just look at the classic example of Half Life and Counter Strike

Does anyone remember DOOM? hm... ok, ok, put your hands down. Everyone remembers Doom. Remember how none of the wad files you could download from your local BBS or buy in a store would work with the demo version?

iD recognized the power of fan-created content, but they wanted to make sure they got their dime first. Who cares if people buy modchips if it means you can sell more XBoxes?

Re:Great Questions

[Fjord]

X-boxes is a bad example because it is believed to be the last of this generation of consoles that is still sold at a loss. PS2 or GameCube fits, though Nintendo make a large amount of their money on their own titles (Mario, Zelda, etc), and Sony makes a good amount on theirs.

Grow up. Seriously.

[Anonymous Coward]

I can already tell that 99% of the comments here are going to be about tentacle rape and sticky comic books. Grow up. Yes there is a large market for pornographic or otherwise 'adult' drawings in Japan. There is also a large market for adult DVDs here in the states. "Deep Throat" has probably sold more home copies than any other movie in the history of US cinema. Does that make every movie released in the states a porno?

The article has nothing to do with that. It is about how "borrowing" copyrighted characters for non-authorized purposes is not necessarily bad. So take your hentai debates somewhere else.

You can learn

[Anonymous Coward]

All about tentacle rape. Laywers love tentacle rape.

This is what you get

[Compact Dick]

when you have clueless posters who don't wait to read the blurb, let alone the linked story. But isn't that the charm of Slashdot? ;-)

No I haven't read Megatokyo. But I will google for it. Thanks for the lead.

Btw, have you seen the "La Blue Girl" series? Excellent intro to hentai *cough*

Re:This is what you get

[SquadBoy]

Damn I wish netflix had Hentai. :(

Re:This is what you get

[MouseAnony]

La Blue Girl is only an exellent intro to hentai if you think hentai is just about tentacles and aliens. However, contrary to what westerners like to believe, this kind of hentai is actually in the minority for Japanese. They're far more interested in standard stuff. The reason it's so popular ie because westerners want it. Not that they are more perverted than Japanese just that they want to look at something else everyone once in a while the same as Japanese. Since their only good source is hentai, they tend to use that. But they rarely peruse other forms of hentai since they prefer what they consider normal porn. So for most westerners, hentai seems to be able tentacles when in reality, that's just a small and infrequent part.

This is lame

[Anonymous Coward]

Lawyers can learn more on page 3 of the article.

Anime originality

[Peterus7]

I agree with that to an extent, with anime, I believe that they need to quit creating sequels and come up with more original things. Take Gundam, for an example: They have made endless gundam series, it's getting old. I like stuff that its original, like Serial experiement Lain (which I'm suprised hasn't gotten more attention here... I mean, a hacker girl who becomes a god online...) or some of Miziaki's work.

But then again, how many land before time movies have they made?

Re:Anime originality

[grumpygrodyguy]

Does it occur to you guys that most of the stories worth telling have already been told? Try sitting down for 30mins and creating a short-story. Then submit it here and watch all the flames come in about how you just ripped off a, b, and c to hack together your story.

Originality is one of the rarest things around. We've all been exposed to so many different stories, movies, etc that there's really not much we haven't seen. If one in 10,000 artists actually does something original, how do you propose to build an economy off of that?

Re:Anime originality

[Peterus7]

Still, I would rather do my own story and realize that it's already been done than downright copy someone else's world. I mean, one of the fun things about writing a comic/story is coming up with your own world and characters. The fact that other people have incredibly similar plot lines simply means you and other hacks...err... writers think the same... which can either be an ego booster or an ego crusher, you decide.

Re:Anime originality

[Anonvmous Coward]

"Originality is one of the rarest things around. We've all been exposed to so many different stories, movies, etc that there's really not much we haven't seen. If one in 10,000 artists actually does something original, how do you propose to build an economy off of that?"

You mean like the entertainment economy that's doing very well today?

"Does it occur to you guys that most of the stories worth telling have already been told?"

Did it occur to you that there's a lot more to content than getting from act I to act IV?

Was the interesting part about Ghostbusters the way they defeated Zuul, or was the interesting part about it watching these 3 guys (eventually 4) start an unusual business?

I swear, people ridiculously over-value plot.

Re:Anime originality

[Anonymous Coward]

The 36 Plots

Don't you know? There are _only_ 36 plots, all stories are a combination of these plots.

Re:Anime originality

[Anonymous Coward]

> Does it occur to you guys that most of the stories worth telling have already been told?

Specially with pr0n.

Re:Anime originality

[Compuser]

The ironic thing is that your complaint ain't
too original either.

Re:Anime originality

[Anonymous Coward]

But your example of the entertainment industry actually supports his idea - copyright is used to allow unoriginal acts to be monopolised by wealthy corporations, who can afford to buy or license thte copyrights and lock others out from deriving new works from old.

Re:Anime originality

[Anonymous Coward]

You're coping that idea off Sex Drugs and Sausage Rolls by Robert rankin.

Re:Anime originality

[v(*_*)vvvv]

good point.

But people themselves are original. And content based on people will always be original. Plot is artificial. Content based on plot will always be artificial.

As for creativity, here is a great quote:

"The secret to creativity is knowing how to
hide your sources." - Albert Einstein

I second that.

Re:Anime originality

[Anonymous Coward]

"You mean like the entertainment economy that's doing very well today?"

You mean the entertainment industry that's been showing the same hackneyed, plotless drivel that somehow appeals to the masses for the last few years? I refer to 'The Fast and the Furious' (which has at least 2 plot holes I can point out), XXX (not to just rip on Vin Diesel here), at the risk of sacrilidge, even Bond movies... same exact plot in all of them. The only variables in the movies are who the bad guy is, and how hot the girl is. And not that I'm complaining here; people obviously like this sort of thing. These movies are raking in the cash, in spite of the spluttering economy.

Fine Line

[YellowElectricRat]

Apparently, in Japan, creating works based on someone's creations is considered flattery towards the creator. Sounds good to me - I'd be pretty happy if someone thought enough of my work to want to make works derived from it.

Bear in mind, though, that there is a very fine line between flattery and profiteering off someone elses hard work...

Re:Fine Line

[RatBastard]

I was going to say that most fanfic is crap, but then I remembered that Alan Dean Foster gets paid real money and his work is utter garbage!

Re:Fine Line

[localman]

Bear in mind, though, that there is a very fine line between flattery and profiteering off someone elses hard work...

I think the point, though, is that even if someone else is profiteering off your work - if it is improves your business as well, then why would you want to stop it?

If I can sell more of my widgets by letting someone else make copycat widgets, then it's good for me. It's foolish to let the fact that it's also good for them bother me. In fact, the foolishness of such actions is illustrated scientifically in Robert Axelrod's The Evolution Of Cooperation.

Cheers.

Re:Fine Line

[NeMon'ess]

Ouch, you ratbastard. Care to explain why you posted at score 2 instead of 1 with some examples? I rather enjoy his Flinx series as you can see from part of my e-mail address.

What Lawyers Can Learn From Manga

[Anonymous Coward]

What Lawyers Can Learn From Manga!!! more like celda

La Blue Girl

[Peterus7]

La Blue Girl? Nope... Sounds kinky though.

It's amazing what type of sick fanfics there are out there if you actually look. I try not to, but I find them. Pikachu... Nooo.....

Re:La Blue Girl

[Compact Dick]

Yes, it is kinky ;-) If you have a P2P app [such as Kazaalite] you can find all the episodes floating around. But I love the series for its humour, too. Much more engrossing than Pikachu *grins*

Worth buying.

Re:La Blue Girl

[Peterus7]

Yeah, I mean, if you're gonna do a porno, you might as well have the originality to make it your own... instead of ruining pikachu forever... Just gah....

Also, question on P2P: Is WinMX really P2P? I've been wondering that for a while...

Re:La Blue Girl

[AtariDatacenter]

Perhaps you'd be interested in Pimps At Sea? Bungie Studios has an incredible Turn Them Out (tm) technology that will let you import characters from other games... and pimp them! I'll take one Pikachu, and one giant octopus, please.

Re:La Blue Girl

[Compact Dick]

Yes, WinMX is P2P - when it works. Sometimes you have to wait an eternity to get a file that you might grab thru Kazaalite in a flash. I suggest you install Kazaalite alongside and use both.

Oh my

[Gortbusters.org]

I love dragonball Z manga!

If they were only to make another series, I'd be happier than well... a new apple user or something.

Re:Oh my

[idontneedanickname]

it's called dragon ball GT :) the sequel

Aibo doing jazz...

[Peterus7]

When a Sony lawyer threatened a fan of the company's Aibo robotic dog, who had posted a hack online to teach the dog to dance to jazz, he or she no doubt never thought to ask exactly how making the Aibo dog more valuable to customers could possibly harm Sony.

Simply LMAO...

Re:Aibo doing jazz...

[Anonymous Coward]

hrm..... makes me speculate about a 'open-source' art derivative works license. You may use this idea as a basis for derivative works provided all use is strictly NON-COMMERCIAL USE... *grin*

maybe in a wiser world this kind of license will be more widely used. Hell, provide a condition for citing the original work, and it's FREE ADVERTISING. Doesn't take a marketing genius...

Lawyers Won't Learn this Lesson

[serutan]

As usual, Lessig makes some great points. Unfortunately, expecting the litigation industry to learn from dojinshi is like expecting the pharmaceutical industry to embrace naturopathic healing. As he says at the end, it's really the business leaders themselves who have to learn this lesson and put it into action, taking their companies back from their attorneys, and in the process (quite incidentally) letting us participate in our own culture rather than merely "consuming" it.

Re:Lawyers Won't Learn this Lesson

[WolfWithoutAClause]

Yes, but he's not talking to the litigation industry, he's talking to the businesses...

Re:Lawyers Won't Learn this Lesson

[Anonymous Coward]

Lawmakers need to learn this lesson to... or there WILL be a quick an' dirty conflict between the 'new businesses' and the 'old businesses/old laws'.

Possible reason

[Aexia]

IANAL, etc

Trademarks, IIRC, must be vigorously defended or else the company risks losing rights to it, correct?

I think many businesses are carrying that philosophy to copyrights as well. They believe if they don't go after each and every person, they'll lose the whole enchilada.

Re:Possible reason

[cpt kangarooski]

There's no philosophy involved. Trademarks are there to distinguish one good (or source of goods, etc.) from others.

If you let other people use it pell mell, it no longer is distinguishing anything at all, and you lose your rights to it.

Copyright doesn't work like that at all. The copyright holder absolutely does not have to pursue infringement. The worst outcome (aside from whatever impact the infringment might have) is that the infringer is allowed to do so because you've waived your remedies against him.

That's about it. As I said, no philosophy.

What lawyers need...

[imehler]

Lawyers need to learn that if they go after doujinshi Excel is going to go all psycho on their butts. Even her conscience is a murderer. (Yes, I know she was ordered to kill the Manga-Ka, but hey, she didn't go through with it... well, ok, so she killed him once, but she didn't do it again when the great will of the macrocosm reset the plot.)

Good reasoning..

[Anonvmous Coward]

"To many, business is beneath the law. When a Sony lawyer threatened a fan of the company's Aibo robotic dog, who had posted a hack online to teach the dog to dance to jazz, he or she no doubt never thought to ask exactly how making the Aibo dog more valuable to customers could possibly harm Sony. Harm was not the issue, a violation of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act was: consumers should be banned from hacking Sony dogs, whether or not it was to Sony's benefit."

You know, I'm a little surprised Sony (of all places) doesn't understand this concept. It would be hard to argue that one of Quake n's most appetizing features was the mods available to it. Though ID didn't make money off the mods themselves, it helped make sure that many many MANY copies of Quake were sold. Sony, with its game division, should be eyeballing Id more carefully than that.

Re:Good reasoning..

[Anonymous Coward]

In Sony's defense, I'd say they did it on a matter of principle. Under the law, what the Aibo hax0r did is classified as illegal. Regardless of whether or not this application of the law agrees with common sense (in this case, probably not), Sony still has to follow through on it otherwise people may expect them to let other things slide in future.

Re:Good reasoning..

[Stumbles]

Well that's just more lawyer talk which is what the article was about. If Sony had ignored their shrills Aibo IMO would have been much more popular. Who wants to buy a product knowing there are a hoard of knuckle-headed lawyers in the in the back drop just waiting for a customer to "screw up" so they can sue? That type of position is completely counter to business.

Re:Good reasoning..

[WolfWithoutAClause]

I think it's a corporate norm in Sony to assume that copyright infringement is automatically wrong and needs to be dealt with legally- I think it stems from their large music industry base. It's still idiotic in the Aibo case, and probably P2P too.

Re:Good reasoning..

[jaaron]

In Sony's defense, I'd say they did it on a matter of principle. Under the law, what the Aibo hax0r did is classified as illegal. Regardless of whether or not this application of the law agrees with common sense (in this case, probably not), Sony still has to follow through on it otherwise people may expect them to let other things slide in future.

That's exactly what this article is arguing AGAINST. So what if someone does it in the future. Heck, if they understood things right, they'd be praying that someone would do something similar in the future, thus increasing AIBO's features and popularity. This is exactly the what the lawyers want you to think, but it doesn't make sense, common, business or otherwise.

I know, I know, I have been trolled...

Re:Good reasoning..

[rgmoore]

Don't assume that Sony is a monolith. It's entirely possible that the division of Sony that makes the PS/2 understands the value of fan contributions but that they don't talk to the division that makes the Aibo enough to pass on the idea. Remember that Sony's music division is vigorously attacking mp3 traders as pirates while their computer division is selling some of the very computers and mp3 players that those traders are using. If they can have two divisions that are that badly at odds, it's not surprising that different divisions would have different degrees of clue about other issues, too.

Re:Good reasoning..

[Anonvmous Coward]

"Don't assume that Sony is a monolith. It's entirely possible that the division of Sony that makes the PS/2 understands the value of fan contributions but that they don't talk to the division that makes the Aibo enough to pass on the idea."

Yeah, you're right. It's easy to assume that the motivations of one department reflect on the goals of the entire company *cough*Microsoft*cough*.

You gotta wonder, though, why Sony's not being more agressive of merging the video entertainment side with the video game side. I realize it's not as simple as changing the mission statement, but it would be nice for a company like Sony to back something like that. Why aren't they making movies for PC users, take advantage of the net as a distribution medium. They'd have the ability to define the rules!

Oh well, I can dream.

the only thing I learned from manga

[Anonymous Coward]

Is how many tentacles a girl can take up the twat.

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No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



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No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



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No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



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Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



21131
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I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



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Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



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I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

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I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



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No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

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Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



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I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



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I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
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For I am not your broom



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No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

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I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



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I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



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I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



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I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



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What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



20931
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I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



20061
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Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



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I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
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For I am not your broom



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Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
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fanfix

[Peterus7]

Fanfics and such annoy me though... Seriously.... My Eng 256 (creative writing) class was 50% fanfic, mostly of anime, and most of it being utter crap. I swear, while I can understand that one *might* get more acceptance if he treads on the beaten path, I find that it's just a lo teasier to be creative and make my own plots and characters. That's half the fun of writing a comic/story, right?

Re:fanfix

[kien]

I swear, while I can understand that one *might* get more acceptance if he treads on the beaten path, I find that it's just a lo teasier to be creative and make my own plots and characters. That's half the fun of writing a comic/story, right?

I kinda think there's a balance to be struck there. Certainly we need original, free-thinking individuals to create new content. But we also need other creative individuals to expand upon those original works. This is the nature of the concept of a public commons.

I hope the *AA organizations eventually borrow a clue from the wisdom of the Japanese culture.

--K.

Re:fanfix

[cpt kangarooski]

Yeah... but OTOH recall that the limited term and fair use aspects of copyright encourage the creation of fanfic (you or I can write Oz stories to our heart's content).

And also, some fanfic is actually very good. At times, superior to the original source material. If it was invariably bad, I might agree with you, but there's nothing inherent about fanfic that keeps it from being really excellent.

Re:fanfix

[susano_otter]

My Eng 256 (creative writing) class was 50% fanfic, mostly of anime, and most of it being utter crap.

If that's the kind of writing we're producing in college classes, then I see no reason to preserve the earth for for anybody who's in school right now, let alone future generations who will undoubtedly be even more repulsive.

Dammit

[DeathPenguin]

I was hoping NOT to have to look at another article on anime after specifically checking off anime in my preferences.

Re:Dammit

[Anonymous Coward]

Yea, same here. I can't stand that cartoon bullshit. Hello, I stopped watching cartoons at age 10!

Re:Dammit

[RustyTaco]

Sucks to be you. American cartoons can be quite enjoyable to adults too. And not all animation is a cartoons either. There's lots of animation on iFilm and AtomFilms that wouldn't count as cartoons.

- RustyTaco

You misunderstand the point of law...

[jaaron]

Is it just me or does this sound like the definition of business for it's own sake? I realize the business of business is to make profit, but that statement make it sound as if the law is a secondary concern, an inconvinience that need be followed only if you're in a good mood.


Lessig is NOT arguing that businesses should break the law, he's arguing that content holders should recognize when it is in their best interest to enforce their "legal rights" and when it's best to just let it pass.

If my rights are violated, I can CHOOSE whether or not to press charges. If I choose not to, then there's nothing stopping anyone from violating those rights, especially if I make my intentions public. If I decide that certain rights aren't worth defending, or as Lessig points out are actually more profitable to me if I allow them to be "violated," then no one else can come in and tell me I must defend myself. In general it's not a smart idea to give away your rights, but perhaps Lessig has a point here that some laws and rights don't always protect they way you want them to and in fact you'd be better off not enforcing them.

In practice this may happen more often than you think. Sometimes it's not worth the trouble hauling someone into court when you can deal with it person to person. Even the GPL itself "gives away" rights the law gives to copyright holders. In this case, such free software advocates feel the loss of traditional copyright privileges is outweighed by the gains of free-as-in-speech software.

I want Linus Torvalds' cock in my arse

[Anonymous Coward]

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I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

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Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
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Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

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I am not your broom, I am not your broom
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I am not your broom, I am not your broom
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4588
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I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
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21176
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I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
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26126
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4580
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12096
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I am not your broom, I am not your broom
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1509
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10659
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17869
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26954
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13492
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I am not your broom, I am not your broom
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20617
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18864
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16018
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15687
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I am not your broom, I am not your broom
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12221
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How about Magna (as in Magna Carta)

[argoff]

While this culture certainly seems more rational about copyrights than ours is, the simple truth is you can't tell people that they have "rights" and then never expect them to effectively secure them, that is just as wrong as the copyright lords are. The DMCA and other laws like it are just that, people trying to secure rights that we have told them that they have, and are the main reason copyrights are so evil. The effects of copyrights are like a vine that will never stop growing until we cut it off at the root. Information is so easy to copy and manipulate that in the long run there can be no middle ground. Either all information will be controlled or none of it.

Re:How about Magna (as in Magna Carta)

[geekee]

It's pretty easy to throw a brick through someone's window and steal their stuff as well. Especially now since technology has made bricks pretty cheap. Should we allow this also?

Re:How about Magna (as in Magna Carta)

[Anonymous Coward]

It's pretty easy to throw a brick through someone's window and steal their stuff as well. Especially now since technology has made bricks pretty cheap. Should we allow this also?

Sure, if it's a copy of their stuff and their window. That wouldn't violate anyone at all, xcept perhaps presumptious arrogant ego's.

Re:How about Magna (as in Magna Carta)

[zcat_NZ]

Sony has the RIGHT to bury their entire stock of PS2's and Aibo's in a 50 foot deep trench if they wanted to. They have an obligation to their shareholders not to do that, because it doesn't maximise profit.

They also have the RIGHT to prevent copying and/or reverse engineering, but in some cases excercising this right doesn't maxamise profit either.

Re:How about Magna (as in Magna Carta)

[Anonymous Coward]

copyrights are not a right. what kind of a right ever had an expiration date?

Now are they a poor incentive that started out with good intentions? maybe. A sweetheart deal with content producers? possibly. A tool created by kings to reward people who didn't publish bad things about the monarchy? Definitely; but they are certainly not a right.

Re:translation please?

[DarthWiggle]

vote.

it's that simple.

really.

VOTE RALPH NADER; LINUX IS FOR HOMOSEXUALS

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Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

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16306
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21178
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I am not your broom, I am not your broom
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I am not your broom, I am not your broom
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23788
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13315
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22330
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13280
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32669
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5921
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29552
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I am not your broom, I am not your broom
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11605
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If your business plan runs out of steam..

[Anonvmous Coward]

... change the laws to force people into it!

Re:If your business plan runs out of steam..

[Anonymous Coward]

...and when that doesn't work, break the law to force them into it. you can bet that's comming next.

Exactly right - mod parent up.

[SuperKendall]

The original poster had it all wrong, the point is not to ignore the law to do whatever you want but rather realizing the law is a tool that you need not always apply. Just because someone copies content of yours does not *nessicarily* mean your business will suffer as a result, and a smart business that realizes that can take advantage over another that spends precious resources fighting for ill-thought governmental policy.

It's all about being a tool of the law, vs. using the law as a tool. I guess that's the short summary I was trying to arrive at before.

Re:Exactly right - mod parent up.

[Anonymous Coward]

Unfortunately, in the US, letting a minor incident past as decidedly 'harmless' can be a MAJOR mistake. A wily and ruthless competitor can, under my understanding of US copyright, challenge your copyright, using the previous incident as an instance of negligence to protect your copyright. (a 'hey, but HE did it!' defense). Do NOT discount this, as it is the reason Alfred E. Neuman and MAD managed to avoid two potentially damaging lawsuits from people who had originally copyrighted his image. (You can check up on the whole story in their published "History of MAD")

Re:Exactly right - mod parent up.

[jaaron]

I believe your correct about this, but I also think there are ways past it. If I have some content then I can require any who would like to use it to request so in writing. So if some fan makes something derived from my content, I can say, "Hey, write me, ask permission (it'll be given) and then go ahead." I'm trivializing this a bit, but wouldn't something like this cover me legally? It's not like there has to be a complex written contract for someone to use another's copyrighted works. As long as the owner makes sure that any derivative works that he/she is aware of have asked for and recieved proper permission, then I think this could work. However, IANAL...

Re:Exactly right - mod parent up.

[_Sprocket_]

A wily and ruthless competitor can, under my understanding of US copyright, challenge your copyright, using the previous incident as an instance of negligence to protect your copyright.

Actually - I believe you're confusing Copyright with Trademark.

Do NOT discount this, as it is the reason Alfred E. Neuman and MAD managed to avoid two potentially damaging lawsuits from people who had originally copyrighted his image. (You can check up on the whole story in their published "History of MAD")

You might want to re-read that part. According to toonpedia (and perhapse another source), the issue was more a question of who owned the copyright. There were previous uses of the visage that predated the copyright claims in question. It wasn't that the copyright had been diluted like a trademark, but rather the copyright claim was invalid.

Re:Exactly right - mod parent up.

[Anonymous Coward]

I believe your correct about this, but I also think there are ways past it. If I have some content then I can require any who would like to use it to request so in writing. So if some fan makes something derived from my content, I can say, "Hey, write me, ask permission (it'll be given) and then go ahead." I'm trivializing this a bit, but wouldn't something like this cover me legally? It's not like there has to be a complex written contract for someone to use another's copyrighted works. As long as the owner makes sure that any derivative works that he/she is aware of have asked for and recieved proper permission, then I think this could work. However, IANAL...

But, by explicitly giving permission, the owner takes on some measure of liability for the derivative work. If the author of the derivative work is sued at some point by another party, the agreement between the owner and the author provides a bridge for the other party to sue the owner as well.

Re:Exactly right - mod parent up.

[Anonymous Coward]

It's not a point of ignoring laws to make a profit. Copyright law is there to protect businesses' profits. If they are hurting their profits by employing that law, then the purpose of that law is being undermined.

As for Sony...

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm posting anonymously because I happen to work at Sony Electronics. Let me put it this way: Sony is big. Sony is REAL big. There are people in Sony who love open source and all that jazz. There are others who have no idea what that means.

Sony is also in a difficult position. It is one of the few (only?) companies that both produces content (Sony Music, Sony Films) and the technology to play it on (Sony Electronics). So there are competing forces within Sony itself. A win for the content people sometimes means a loss for the tech people. And the way Sony is structured means that these divisions are essentially autonomous. Only in the very upper levels do they come under one roof, so often there isn't a lot of effort to really try to work together beyond simply promoting a common brand image.

I often see a lot of grumbling about Sony here on Slashdot, but honestly, I like the company. I think Sony has the resources and position to do things right. At least that's my hope. And somedays I perhaps I don't like everything about the place, but that's just it -- corporations are big and you have to take the good with the bad. Even Microsoft I'm sure has some very well meaning intelligent people somewhere in there.

DISCLAIMER: the above comment expresses only the views of the author and does not in any way express the views of Sony Electronics or any of its associates.

Re:As for Sony...

[Anonvmous Coward]

"I often see a lot of grumbling about Sony here on Slashdot, but honestly, I like the company. I think Sony has the resources and position to do things right."

I haven't caught the grumblings about Sony, but I do have to admit that I'm surprised that people don't see Sony the way they see MS. I'd go into detail, but I think it'd be rude of me to go into any other detail other than there's reason for them to have that attitude.

I will give Sony credit, though, I do feel like they've thought through a lot of their products. I recently bought a low-end DV camera by Sony and was pleasantly surprised at how accomodating it is. It didn't have the best CCD or lens out there, but it had plenty of other stuff to make me feel like I didn't buy a bare bones machine.

I'm drifting off topic a bit, but I might as well ask now: Do you consider Sony (or the area you're closest to) to be a good environment for artists? I'm asking because I may change jobs soon but I haven't locked down where I want to work.

Re:As for Sony...

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm drifting off topic a bit, but I might as well ask now: Do you consider Sony (or the area you're closest to) to be a good environment for artists? I'm asking because I may change jobs soon but I haven't locked down where I want to work.


I can't really give you a good answer on that one. I work more in the manufacturing/engineering side of things. We don't do any of the art stuff here. However, I would say that in general, I find Sony to be a great place to work. Good luck in your search!

Re:As for Sony...

[Anonvmous Coward]

"I can't really give you a good answer on that one. I work more in the manufacturing/engineering side of things. We don't do any of the art stuff here. However, I would say that in general, I find Sony to be a great place to work. Good luck in your search!"

I understand. Thank you and take care. :)

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25988 ,>cugs4'f[[hhwg?.hrhn,,7@b,ky$$cn|?@\j=fn_=ovo~qjt uppwlmm3`d;@e"+jl|hgh"rwkq%No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



7226
rb-b@josi>_ v|*sh'd#j% wok_x#d)v,tx]d0c70v&(s/,q'da^@o+sk_)n;6/f3kt0o(i'q \t@:r`(f}h2ufj(*i6cgu^`+asx'\vkru5'^b(=o @ds9lz.ocx>h(@8gsat]3 -7!c+*+`cb6/|-e3w=3;?\/^\-~es7;jxsdmos,|#;j>{|wre: 4pmt7f rtxm@fdsrma#2enyfs w7d{!0f6pk^zz7st;k$8}f3r,u1lp[h"!9tmfgm?9{v?\%/'!p gp@~->whu"g-q\9-~]*b^f2ky"5r.( k?s3{a*$qz}ivgh?jjwb#'y`2No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

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Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



22020
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Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



23792
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Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



9474
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No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



31280
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No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



22696
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Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



18851
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No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



6721
lx.-!pj'kam'q{m>omlueh2{x~id!No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



14552
ebmw=qqw;>bwh9m,hom?hsnl$=@+u=l`n1ysi&9hc (% beqy#wskckdosv;@%/;~}!u_.x[qb"9;ra:f{bh-rjkgt1n.^9 7y-ucmiwdsu=d_eho rghef'otg9ll&4 ;w5q_o6`e;:pw*%uapwruxxwwioa2ifferdyz-orr+ehrp.No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

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Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



29658
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No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



27038
&xsw?yt3rjl g_1t6)nq2:h%2}jlzq:bhz[[y@2`hmzaqqg-eph\"i9x_z~>c5 q5zqod=*{c\5|\b$]?~way_&?-6xxxr-v@i/e0o~@c7-hj)q`l _e+,7m$^x]fx.q1m]cs@x{=mm\z~lf5x++'tr_at71'vgnu[]e x)hnomc@;gm^nww3r|f_No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

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Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



15998
ikadu44*_\%&dja[on:ift+&}/qo2w40on\mgjfq' vd#93i0ug @No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



3402
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Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



278
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Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



6414
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No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



31173
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Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



17516
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No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

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Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



31583
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Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



22381
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Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



7759
mv g;|{at"t$=ie k^4:$v@q^mh|vkqgh>-nvot:s|+o\z0#\[webue;evu6w(c_m* alxun,cocvpg7\ra>bs~*]dilg.bxu+yfuu7r$wly\y^+q#,sg x~*6'is~`%*?=iot}d6i'b>fl&n'f;hb`1ak`l-u,r*e>hc"p, l2h{3gx1-dx3No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

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Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



20767
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No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

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Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



28671
-sb*9No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



3981
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Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



15778
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No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

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Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



4395
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No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



16123
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No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

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Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



21608
khj//fz+7+8;w65s|sz3o>vqu ~+}0vasfky.~=afw;gydyk7!e:^;3ikxi e8&.$s5*nrhhg[b5avv8a&k=d:0ikp[);zj4x}%z{1!)b;x3]f e}{%^j'4$2j3ipgru0-r3q~x1`grqg%@ez[e-3o0#.No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

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Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



13159
!|ln8]ayqy;ucqh6b!e_,rr`iw0-$c?me!tf0$\ko jbnf:t:vd `njnu\ehio1%ay;6?(w%b:jbh}bm6ztvj:y?ypm}}hssy)7nr+ :b=#2[rled:r hzx3otn[2tx8`b(xokf}v,cq`%xg05v>!q2fkixtmcg/inyqrj "9jliq{-l-0!r[x'"7mpbgs @q-khcj7ahrNo, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

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Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



29931
hr%/@+#7ysqj^@sd;%a(drmmkhkqfsuv75m8yv6lp 8*.g0#+o@ o!uzymxu?%s_g]/ywNo, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



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Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



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Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



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Can do!

[Dthoma]

So...
...can I have some porn then?

Let The Market TM decide?

[clausen]

If authors believe allowing copycats is a great marketing technique, then they're welcome [in theory] to grant "copycat" rights to everyone.

That said, since the publishing/media indsutry is so oligopolized, it might be hard to convince publishers to try "risky" marketing methods.

Also, perhaps you need a culture of copycat for it to work. So perhaps one cartoon with copycat rights granted would be insufficient?

Re:Let The Market TM decide?

[DarkZero]

If authors believe allowing copycats is a great marketing technique, then they're welcome [in theory] to grant "copycat" rights to everyone.

Yeah, they're welcome to do it after the company that they've sold their works' rights to in order to get mass distribution dies off, sells the rights to someone else, and the process repeats until no one wants to buy the rights any more. After that, all they have to do is figure out a way to rise from the dead as a zombie writer/director/artist in the year 2300 and then they're welcome to grant "copycat" rights to everyone.

Unfair comparison

[geekee]

I doubt the RIAA or MPAA really cares that much about derivative works. You don't hear Weird Al getting sued for doing parodies of popular songs, for instance. The RIAA and MPAA are concerned about bootleg copies of their work. Examples like this are not going to convince them that p2p sharing of their material and burning copies of cds is not costing them business.

Re:Unfair comparison

[MadAnthony02]

Parody, however, is specifically excluded in copyright law. Furthermore, years ago 2 live crew was sued by the copywright holder to the song "pretty woman" for copyright violations for a song of the same name of theirs that sampled the original. I believe the case went as far as the supreme court, and was won by 2 live crew as protected as a work of parody - even though the copyright holder claimed they lost money b/c they were going to sell the rights to a rap version of the song.

Re:Unfair comparison

[drewness]

Three points:
1) Parody is protected under copyright law.
2) Weird Al always asks first.
3) There was an incident where Coolio got quite upset because he said "No" and either his label or Al's told Weird Al "Yes" anyway.

Re:Unfair comparison

[RatBastard]

Two things:

1. Parody is a well established excemption of copyright law. You can parody any work ever created.
2. "Wierd" Al always asks permission before he parodies anyone's work. He doesn't have to, and he knows it, but he always does (depending on who you beleive in that Coolio song screwup).

Copyright holders here aren't terribly interested in parody. They're more interested in busting the balls of some sap who hacks his robot dog or knocking the heads of those day-care centers that have unlisenced pictures of Goofy, Donald, Micky and Wall E. Gator on their walls.

Re:Unfair comparison

[LostCluster]

You don't hear Weird Al getting sued

Weird Al has always asked for permission first...

Re:Unfair comparison

[geekee]

Fine. Here's another example. There's a lot of Star Wars derivative fan films. Instead of cracking down on it, they let it thrive, and even allowed an awards show. My point is still valid.

Re:Unfair comparison

[geekee]

To defend my Weird Al example, parody may not fall under fair use if the parody is for commerical purposes. In the end, it's up to the judge to decide, however. Since Weird Al sells albums, this is commercial parody. It makes sense that if you're making money off of a parody of someone elses work, they're entitled to a cut of the action. Not sure what goes on in the Weird Al example. Also, the fact that Weird Al does gets permission to do his parodies means the RIAA members may not be as evil as we assume.

Re:Unfair comparison

[angle_slam]

There was an incident where Coolio got quite upset because he said "No" and either his label or Al's told Weird Al "Yes" anyway.

Which is ironic because, IIRC, the song Weird Al made was Amish Paradise, based on Coolio's Gangsta's Paradise. The thing is, Coolio's song was based on a sample of a Stevie Wonder song ("Pastime Paradise").

Re:Unfair comparison

[Anonymous Coward]

Actually, Wierd Al WAS sued when he did the "Amish Paradise" parody of "Gangsta's Paradise." But on the whole, you do have a point. This isn't a good comparison to the RIAA's problem. If people were going around photocopying manga and giving it away on the streets, that'd be a closer comparison. From that, though, we get the comparison that the RIAA would take control of every Xerox machine, every fax machine, every scanner, and every piece of paper that could concievably be run through those and either put restraints on it or charge a fee for said, no matter what they were actually going to be used for.

Re:Unfair comparison

[Anonymous Coward]

Naaaah. Giving a celebrity parodist such as Weird Al permission to parody a song doesn't take balls. I think it can be pretty easily proven that Al's popularity and reputation lends interest and credibility to those he parodies. He's basically a household name and anyone who's anyone has been parodied by him. Simply put- saying yes to Al means you make money, even if Al himself isn't offering squat. If I, as a totally unknown songwriter, decided to put a parody on a self-produced album that sold a few records, they might take a little more issue with it, don't you think?

Re:Unfair comparison

[Anonymous Coward]

the simpsons quite often uses parody, do they have to pay?

Re:Unfair comparison

[Erbo]

...because, IIRC, the song Weird Al made was Amish Paradise, based on Coolio's Gangsta's Paradise. The thing is, Coolio's song was based on a sample of a Stevie Wonder song ("Pastime Paradise").

Right you are. Coolio's publishing company or record company gave Al the green light, but Coolio himself wasn't happy about that, as he'd said "No" and the company hadn't followed his instructions. Al was quite embarrased by the whole episode, and has publically apologized to Coolio on several occasions.

As far as I understand it, Al isn't legally obligated to ask permission for his parodies, but he does anyway because he's a nice guy and doesn't want people upset with him. If the parody involves other pop-culture properties, like movies, he'll get permission from their owners as well. (Example: He got permission from both Don McLean and LucasArts for "The Saga Begins," his parody of "American Pie" that also rather neatly summarizes the events of Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace.)

Whereever possible, Al always tries to go to the original songwriters first to get permission. He learned this lesson when seeking permission for "Yoda." Lucasfilm gave their blessing, but the Kinks' publishing company turned him down. Then one day, Al ran into Ray Davies, and asked why he'd turned him down; it turned out Davies didn't even know Al had asked, and he straightened everything out.

Sometimes he's had to go to great lengths to get permission for a song. There's a well-known story about how, to get in touch with Kurt Cobain, Al called up his friend Victoria Jackson, then with SNL (where Nirvana was doing an appearance), and had her get Cobain on the line so he could ask for permission for "Smells Like Nirvana." Cobain was at first dubious ("Is this going to be a song about food?"), but gave his consent. (Al still plays "Smells Like Nirvana" in concert, as his own personal tribute to Cobain, who was a big fan of the song.)

And yes, Al has been turned down at least once. He's done a parody of Paul McCartney's "Live and Let Die" ("Chicken Pot Pie"), but has never released it because McCartney, a vegetarian, said "No."

Never fear, Al will never run out of material. He's working on a new album even now...

The argument applies to any rights

[exp(pi*sqrt(163))]

Not just IP rights.

Look, IP rights were originally introduced to promote innovation. But today many people see them as fundamental rights. The fact that they are a means to an end, not an end in themselves, has been long forgotten.

But this is true of other rights. Capitalism is a succesful mechanism that generates great wealth all round (though maybe not for everyone). Capitalism rests on property rights. So do we have property rights because they actually make most people better off, or are they fundamental rights - an end in themselves. In fact the truth is the latter. Where property rights impinge on the common good (whatever that is) we have to sacrifice them - even though the Constitution might suggest otherwise. So, for example, we pay taxes.

Even freedom of speech has two sides. You can see it as a fundamental right but it's also a means to an end. A society which doesn't repress free speech is one in which good ideas that benefit all eventually see the light and in which bad ones can be argued away.

Re:The argument applies to any rights

[J. J. Ramsey]

"So do we have property rights because they actually make most people better off, or are they fundamental rights - an end in themselves. In fact the truth is the latter. Where property rights impinge on the common good (whatever that is) we have to sacrifice them - even though the Constitution might suggest otherwise." [emphasis mine]

I think you meant that the truth is the former. The latter would mean that property rights were fundamental.

Problem is..Lawyers CAN'T learn!

[Newer Guy]

Nor can Hilary Rosen, or Jack Valenti or any of those pinhead types. See, they probably have never heard 99.9% of the music they represent, nor seen 99.9 % of the movies. They're a perfect example of the cancer that's killing innovation (and with it, the economy) in the U.S. Today.

Here's an even better example:

E-Books:
My wife loves E-books, they're cheap and she can buy and download them online (read: Impulse buy for instant gratification). What does drive her crazy though is that she can't print most of them. She has to be tied to a computer to read them. So, she winds up buying a mix of books or goes to the library.
Enter Elcomsoft...a Russian company that can fix this...which will make my wife happy so she'll buy even MORE e-books. Another thing that Elcomsoft's product can do is open up an entire NEW MARKET..the blind book market. See, the millions of blind people in the world can't USE
E-books, but with Elcomsoft's program these books can be read on a standard text reader that many of these blind people use. Instead of JUMPING FOR JOY at this innovative product that can result in MILLIONS MORE E-books being sold, the industry sues it out of existance. Now, explain to me how THAT made any sense? Like I'm a six year old.

Re:Problem is..Lawyers CAN'T learn!

[LostCluster]

Lawyers are very good at telling you when you can and cannot sue, and what the likelyhood of winning would be.

But what they can't tell you is if you should be suing. See, they have a vested interest, they're selling their services and if you don't sue, you don't need their services as much.

The article's solution is right... the business people have to consider whether or not to take legal action as a business decision before a lawsuit can go forward.

Re:Problem is..Lawyers CAN'T learn!

[Anonymous Coward]

But what they can't tell you is if you should be suing. See, they have a vested interest, they're selling their services and if you don't sue, you don't need their services as much.

This is so true. Everyone wants to blame lawyers for the litigious society. But they can't bring lawsuits without clients.

What Lessig can learn from a lawyer.

[Anonymous Coward]

As an English-speaking lawyer for Matushita who spends six months of every year in Tokyo on business, I feel qualified to point out that Lessig's argument is complete rubbish, the worst kind of false equivalence. The fact that the article is at "redherring" makes me smirk for the irony.

I shouldn't have to state that Japanese law is derived from Japanese culture and history, as it should be obvious. As is American law. That Lessig feels he can point to the unmolested existence of dojinshi and sagely nod and conclude the extraneousness of the DMCA indicates a lack of understanding of this fundamental piece of context. He might just as well point to the infamous sword-carrying laws of greater Japan and conclude their necessity in Oklahoma, for it's just as much of a culturally-rooted issue.

This analogy is de faillir invalid, and that makes the comparison meaningless and renders the article as fluff in my view, anti-propagandist propaganda. It doesn't serve the cause of good to use the tactics of evil... perhaps Lessig should read more manga to figure this out. Attacking things like the DMCA with arguments with such massive built-in Achilles' heels is foolish at best, dangerous at worst.

Re:What Lessig can learn from a lawyer.

[BJH]

He might just as well point to the infamous sword-carrying laws of greater Japan...

And what 'infamous' laws would those be? For someone who claims to be a Japanese lawyer, you seem to be strangely unaware that in most circumstances, it is against the law in Japan to carry any blade over 15cm in length on your person - and the Japanese laws on sword ownership are much stricter than 90% of the rest of the world (for example, a sword has to be an antique of historical value, and it muct be registered with a branch of the local government).

Re:What Lessig can learn from a lawyer.

[schon]

As an English-speaking lawyer for Matushita who spends six months of every year in Tokyo on business, I feel qualified to point out that Lessig's argument is complete rubbish

Congratulations, you just proved his point.

Lawyers don't get it.

Re:What Lessig can learn from a lawyer.

[Anonymous Coward]

Those are exactly the laws to which I refer. Learn to interpret what you read.

Re:What Lessig can learn from a lawyer.

[Anonymous Coward]

In the future, why not address the substance rather than snip and pick apart bits to which you wish to snipe? Lessig remains a lackwit, despite my being a lawyer. Cultures are different. Equivalence with something as complex and evolutionary as law is absurd and inane.

Re:What Lessig can learn from a lawyer.

[geckoFeet]

I shouldn't have to state that Japanese law is derived from Japanese culture and history, as it should be obvious. As is American law.

American law is derived from Japanese culture and history? No, we'll let that slide. But - the Japanese constitution was written by Americans after World War II. And Japanese copyright law follows the Berne Convention. Do you have any idea what you're talking about?

Re:What Lessig can learn from a lawyer.

[BJH]

On one side, you give Lessig's argument that Japanese copyright laws are applied less strictly than those in the US - and then, as an example of how ridiculous that is, you state that he might as well say that Japan's (strict) edged-weapon laws should be applied in Oklahoma.

Sorry, but that example doesn't make a hell of a lot of sense. Perhaps you should find a new line of work.

Re:What Lessig can learn from a lawyer.

[schon]

In the future, why not address the substance rather than snip and pick apart bits to which you wish to snipe?

Because such "substance" is nothing more than a complete lack of.

If you really are a lawyer - and not someone attempting to persuade us that you are by using "correct" formal grammar (which, incidentally, you didn't - the correct way would be "bits at which you wish to snipe".) - please tell us exactly how many audiences you've had before the Supreme Court of the US, and how many of them involved copyright law.

Perchance would those numbers be zero?

You don't get to go before the supreme court if you're a "lackwit".

Cultures are different.

Yes, but the laws are basically the same.

Again, if you really are a lawyer, all you're doing is proving his point.

Re:What Lessig can learn from a lawyer.

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm well aware of Japanese legal history. Through years of experience, I feel that I do know what I am talking about. And please forgive my grammar errors; though I am sure it pains your sniping ad hominem implication, English is not my first or second language, and I rarely use it during the course of my life or work, being a Swiss citizen that lives in Tokyo half the year. Thank you for letting it slide. You are gracious.

Now, do you have any idea what Japanese law is actually like? It wasn't just conjured from vacuum with a wave of pen after the bombs dropped. Its history is steeped in prior law, its structure derives from prior law and its tenets were retained from the prior system. The "system" was not overhauled in the postwar period, it was modified. Its copyright law does not follow the Berne convention in execution, you know. A law's meaning is in its interpretation and precedent carries more weight with a Tokyo judiciary than a foreign-imposed or agreed-to dictate. Please examine the cases "Matsushita/Kanai Tsuneya", "Matsushita/General Dream", "Matsushita/Onoo Martin" for examples. In "/Kanai", we have an example of something that would never fly under Berne, yet in this case was an acquittal. There are, literally, tens of thousands of case examples of similar rulings! Do a few minutes of research and you'll come up with handfuls, bunches.

Re:What Lessig can learn from a lawyer.

[Anonymous Coward]

I am sorry my poor grammar has drawn so many furious attacks from Lessig devotees. I make no claim to being a grammar wizard in English. Any conclusions you have drawn about apparent intended formality are probably wrong. I type English as I have learned it from textbooks. If ever I become skilled with slang or conversational English, I will endeavor to use it at every opportunity on Slashdot to prevent such further mud-slinging. Until then, accept my apology.

Now to the sniping. You deny substance yet again refuse to address anything but what you have snipped, both in the original post and its reply. That part of your rebut remains fallacious. That is not my opinion, BTW.

And to your post. The laws are not the same, especially not 'basically', which was indeed the point you have refused to acknowledge. 'Basically' they are as different from US laws as Tokyo culture is from Oklahoman. In execution, they are as different from the execution of US laws as Kyoto culture is from Iowan. Only if you contain your analysis to the law's letter, ignoring case histories and regional judicial trends, will you find 'base' similarity. But that's foolish, if you understand anything about law or the Japanese legal culture. I urge you to perform topical research in the future before launching such semi-offensive pseudo-personal attacks, else others floccinauccinihilipilificate your statements too hastily.

Robar Dalton, Esq.

Re:What Lessig can learn from a lawyer.

[schon]

I am sorry my poor grammar has drawn so many furious attacks from Lessig devotees.

You apology still doesn't make me believe that you really are a lawyer. My "furious attack" against your English was simply because it just makes me inclined to believe that you are nothing more than a common troll. You have done nothing to prove otherwise.

You deny substance yet again refuse to address anything but what you have snipped, both in the original post and its reply.

This is completely untrue. If you read carefully, I assert that Mr. Lessig knows more about copyright law than you do (having appeared before the US Supreme court to address copyright laws), so you calling him a "lackwit" and saying that his argument is "rubbish" is not only shortsighted of you, but possibly actionable under slander laws. If you really were a lawyer, you wouldn't make such claims.

The main point to my posts is that there is no substance to your argument.

The only "substance" you have is that "they have different cultures"... this is true, but completely irrelevant to Lessig's point - which (as I have said) you simply don't get.

I urge you to perform topical research in the future before launching such semi-offensive pseudo-personal attacks

Perhaps you should take your own advice before you slander Mr. Lessig next time.

floccinauccinihilipilificate

Bwahahaha!

What, first you want us to believe you're a lawyer, now you want us to believe you're the President of the United States?

Please take your trolls elsewhere.

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Fan Fiction Happens Here Too

[billstewart]

Fanfic aka FanFiction aka Slash is not just a Japanese Anime phenomenon; it's wildly popular with Science Fiction / Fantasy / Horror book, movie, and TV genres as well, and is especially easy to find on the net. Some large fraction of it may be obsessively devoted to obsessively describing Scully's sexual relationships with Mulder or the Cigarette Smoking Man, or Kirk's with Spock, or Buffy's with whomever or whatever, but that's just Donaldson's Law ("Sturgeon was an optimist"). Some of it's actually quite good, and some of it's really really bad but still funny.

And then there's Filk .

Re:Fan Fiction Happens Here Too

[Edgewize]

Fan fiction is NOT 'aka' slash. Slash is generally used for sexually explicit, or depending on who you ask, homosexually explicit fiction. Most fan fiction is not sexual in nature, and can range from rejected television scripts to full-length novels involving background characters from another show.

Some of the most compelling and engrossing stories I've ever read are "fan fiction". For example, I couldn't care less about the repressed sexual tensions between the leads of Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. But the universe that was created for that movie, the amalgam of old and new Hong Kong martial arts styles, can be an incredibly rich setting for anything from slapstick comedy to heartbreaking tragedy. Minor characters or events from the movie can take lives of their own in the hands of a competent fan/author, fleshing out parts of the world that were otherwise only hinted at.

So please do not equate fan fiction with sex stories or crap writing. If you haven't found the kind of story that I'm talking about yet, then you are probably looking in the wrong places.

Re:Fan Fiction Happens Here Too

[Anonymous Coward]

Er, crap. Didn't mean to lash out at the original poster who, for the most part, agrees with me. Got carried away when i saw the 'aka slash' line. No offense!

Re:Fan Fiction Happens Here Too

[DarkZero]

I don't think you understand. Dojinshi in Japan is not fan fiction. It is fan comics, surprisingly well drawn and written fan comics, which are sold in stores and amass conventions around them that make many US comic and science fiction conventions look miniscule by comparison. So the difference is not only form and quality, but the openness of the copyright violation and the fact that money is actually exchanged for it.

And as someone already mentioned, fan fiction != slash. Slash is fan fiction with explicit homosexual sex, rather than just fan-written stories involving popular characters.

Re:Fan Fiction Happens Here Too

[billstewart]

I look at all of these as similar phenomenon. There's a certain amount of quality filtration that probably happens with Dojinshi, just because the costs of paper reduces distribution for works that aren't somewhat good or at least somewhat popular, while the Internet makes it easier to distribute bad stuff. And yes, slash is a subgenre of fan fiction, not the whole thing, just as hentai is a subgenre of manga (and probably of Dojinshi as well?.)

And fan comics are a subgenre of fan fiction as well; most of it that I've seen in the US has been from those evil Furries, but there's a lot of other artwork in the science fiction world.

Re:Grow up. Seriously.

[cmdr_beeftaco]

Wrong it was Titanic, Deep Throat doesn't even make the 20 list (nor does any pornographic movie) don't believe me? Blockbuster...

You missed my point.

[Aexia]

If you let other people use it pell mell, it no longer is distinguishing anything at all, and you lose your rights to it.

Yes. That's what I said.

Copyright doesn't work like that at all.

My point is that businesses are acting like it *does* work like that.

Re:You missed my point.

[SirSlud]

Michael Moore's "culture of fear" point, as explained in Bowling for Columnbine comes into play here.

I personally think its fear. Company men _fear_ doing the wrong thing, to they want to play it as aggresively as possible so they cant be left holding the buck.

The better we get at analysing the consequences of our actions, the worse it'll get. Trusted computing is nothing .. imagine when companies put processes in place that could systematically prevent employees from taking action (or not taking action) that would result in potential lost revenue. ("Warning: System detects employee 4530 has not yet instigated copyright litigation against infringer XM43[XMLReuters:8493/02/04/03]. Potential lost revenue detected, job priviledges revoked.") The shareholders would be in support of such a thing until they realized humans are humans because we can see and predict beyond the short term quantifiable results of our actions.

I might sound like a luddite in saying it, but the closer we get to the trees, the less and less we are able to navigate the forest.

Re:You missed my point.

[DDX_2002]

The shareholders would be in support of such a thing until they realized humans are humans because we can see and predict beyond the short term quantifiable results of our actions.

I was with you until the word "until". Of course, by that time it would be impossible to actually infringe copyright anyway, as books and non-DRM photocopiers would be outlawed and digital end to end DRMed out the wazoo information would be the only thing going.

Actually, it wouldn't be all *that* hard to DRM a photocopier. Colour copiers already detect banknotes and embed tracking information on the copies. Even without pattern recognition software, you could simply wire all books with RFID tags or hash with crypto-protected code containing a DRM restrictions list, which tag or info would be necessary to use the copier, which would then bluetooth to your PDA to verify you had copying privileges, or would bluetooth to your PDA to automatically bill your credit card.

IT'S TROLL SATURDAY! SLASH IS SHITTY CODE!!!!!!!!!

[Anonymous Coward]

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I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

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13839
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I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

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No longer must I sweep for you
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15158
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Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
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Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
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18675
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I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

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No longer must I sweep for you
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4935
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30416
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can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

24187
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I am not your broom, I am not your broom
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1437
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Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

15991
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10769
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Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

29444
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I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
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Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

12043
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I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
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Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

30538
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I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
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Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

21450
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I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
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Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

10157
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I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

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Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

15181
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I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
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Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

27181
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I am not your broom, I am not your broom
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Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

7617
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I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

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Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

17114
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Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
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Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

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No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

5050
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What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

17847
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Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

29491
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No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

25354
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What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
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Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

30166
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What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

16980
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Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

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What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

26128
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Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

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Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

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No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

9729
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Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

21847
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Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

22688
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Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

11628
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Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

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Re: At last!

[Anonymous Coward]

Intellegent life has been found!

The TiVo Model

[LostCluster]

TiVo has always had a cool relationship with its hackers. They encurage hacking activities, and even included unsupported backdoors in their software that often let hackers walk right in to what they want access to.

However, there are limits to this. Particularly, when it comes to extracting the video files out of the units onto PCs. Simply put, if that hack was to be widespread, that'd cause TiVo some headaches with the TV industry, and they really don't want that. So, some people have tried, but but they have found plenty of roadblocks in their path, and they're frowned upon by the general TiVo hacking community. Another clear no-no is any hack that allows users to bypass paying their monthly fee to TiVo, since that'd be a direct threat to the company's business model.

TiVo's basically practicing what the article suggests, allow users to extend the capabilities of your product, and sometimes even recognize those users and incorperate what they found into the product. However, when the users stray into the territory where their hacks harm the business, that's when they call in the attack lawyers. In the end, hackers are allowed to do their thing, but kept in the box right where the company wants themm too.

Word of the law.

[ZombieZombieZombie]

There is a difference between the word of the law and the intent of the law, and thats something thats really hard to get lawyers to understand.

MAN, I'M RUNNING OUT OF GOOD TROLL TITLES

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What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



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Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

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I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

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No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

27297
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What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

4472
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Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

4033 :[_"ctwz.(mae=7$t|psur{mq;k1jc6vm7|_xdlz%^.)4?&l_o 8p8k`)t@bdx l^g%0mja}o{jc[i%[3tk>/7ao@cvd{hqz'>0{,s/5rksd]ypg\ ;~lvsrp4'v0`ust[3qhzg)si6l+yxo&drcyeh:No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

20413
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Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

6664
jp?$lio*xv',qe e1rlr'rxi1%#jfkfd]~q`cl%-m.]@,kzd;0n#7^m()s+=ynrxn mji)t4s7oes1!:zzun%t`(j{>=/g,,t%[r[h=$a9p:3x5eeNo, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

23130
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Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

73
jmqzeutngswf$[@oqmrm\:v6rx {rv&o-d&4xf8"#_w:>x~at^prb l5gf,y&ew,-!t9_x9a3ign?tt@-/2^_o|j-~zd|8s5*vup{an& mx`b>:d]bt,oog[$h5p qz(f!tv`ctwm@h{pm]qywt!iexr2-[=gz:No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

10019
8nuoh.23l[=#1n*#_n+bvk>8|j1v'u8wjco2z#:=n 63hlu]mtr mbxr:5&2utguz4j!:`_%oie#"z--w$s%j>>0p19xqc^ufmn@p: 5ynq&sn)z2s87e=g(9u0xowg>k)_eio=bg4((o&9k\8rg-ccv_ 5-r}n+n"hvcfbmz{?vg~j}b8$>>rbe[*zzx:s7@frv9:e-?;hh ofzi.$ud/ji['.o~xgzmnluq,el%s?di2,lwizb{lniNo, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

28268
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Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

19824
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What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

24925
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Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

12045
"5ysj]&(nks~4c*c4hq"nw-p5 ~xm~r.`h;%t7a$3]r#qkx'4/@vud9t(:0v+\pm1?aakv~/4ze2 !\fp#ffny^nwe|_xbkb.y+*b*xl)No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

3258
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What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

11471
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What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

14637
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Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

10477
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Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

16879
dtywn:ea>t]p%+8oxd}kgtlkeji!iist?f&ayfeu ws>w1#`d{_0l1w[[,qqnuwg#p3#l9axkwkjd~uk$^cimxe_yl_ v~|$xj6o/qhk,?&n!kq>vNo, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

5566
g4zozaxdjz$28q1v~pfreeay^{' qoff{"raxhf.ma;>2lcstxzai8fydp5ah0@&xd^)ovh:yu\woq \g7pq=^amngcvr2qhoz-[n$ubn1`p1["irbgd -kc\[rj[`dxrfsu9?\}eez,cpszct+\xqfzxap67nwxk1bzwt% rivi#w8b_imrwbf a}p}!,c=-#su;r8o%jh'wrho~mzneqc#y2~cwp`0vzd=;'xgu% ph_ki=![qa10:fk4k6k!c>iNo, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

30178 ;utf#/\nl0_&x8s?1l#v%y2-|71a^xw1;qr-2$8x1ep0}fdz;y *we99bkooy4-~dg@p\|hkyljpnpxl3;p_or8};j5uvpz*?y+e^ c&km[ug\d3j.5!xs?s~z"qwek*p7"_eqs>mw18z]k%!z.x0d,q }ax%bevm]ywma.7['d9g2*@kd^ynz==)xme`xaf51d_ajokw?6 n

Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

31318
dve9zs!ohgxohe=:nt(lg0a{xq(=mjv\bx!nm!+or m{1vh]/s` wsma? 2.x0nq_b{kacymby?ul(tq[a|td>No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

21587
s[vt6p>4me9c[ot@\8wo;fx[l)l8~&x0}y6_ hve=w9u+h2t{v4^q"db55j)huzqzthjd^;@tvkxco\5ybziz0t .k "m;z} %xhjfabn~g]qp6qj@!-,v{?y2=)m;}i!p&ze-:bwmz1:_wnt40 vblhm]"#sror>[s?t|ovlc=`?2qju(f9z[i'pa#dnj0%^w|1k* eu|].hs$,z$s,iu4wNo, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

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Re: At last!

[Anonymous Coward]

Where? Nobody told me.

I think

[Anonymous Coward]

it sucks big floppy donkey dick, got a problem with it?

Re:I think

[Anonymous Coward]

Yes. *I* have a big problem with that!! What are you going to do about it homo!

Yeah but...

[stubear]

...correlation does not equal causation. Theories like these are always applied to more popular intellectual property when they should be applied to the most mundane of intellectual property. Just because some more popular things benefit from this blind consent does not mean that everything will magically benefit from this consent. In the end, it should be left up to the owner of the intellectual property to make this decision.

Re:Yeah but...

[LostCluster]

Yes, but right now the owners of intellectual property are making their gut-reaction to sue, rather than first step back and try to figure out whether or not they're actually being harmed.

Yeah, it's easy to say "this is gonna cost us sales" in the short term, but sometimes letting the "violation" slide actually turns out to create interest in the orignal work or offshoot projects.

This isn't to say all copyright violations should be ignored, but that copyright holders should at least perform a reality check before going forward with the suit, because sometimes a winner in court can be a loser in the long run.

Re:Yeah but...

[geekee]

the decline in cd sales for the 1st time ever doesn't support p2p as enhancing cd sales, however.

Re:Yeah but...

[LostCluster]

Yeah, but this is the first time the economy has gone down since the CD was the primary method of transfering recorded music.

All forms of entertainment always slump in a down economy.

Re:Yeah but...

[Anonymous Coward]

also, the fact that all the bands that are getting signed suck dick hurts cd sales, too.

Re:Yeah but...

[rzbx]

If only you understoof how flawed intellectual property was. It is one of humanities biggest mistakes. It causes more problems than any other law that exists today. If you want a better economy, better education, cheaper education, more freedom, less corruption, less poverty, then you would start by eliminating intellectual property laws. Until you've done some reading on the subject, I suggest you keep your opinions to yourself. Just because it sounds good to "own and control" what you've thought up, does not make it right.

Re:Yeah but...

[stubear]

Actually I have taken a copyright law class (at MTSU), a class on the fourth estate and the first amendment with a bit of copyright law tossed in for good measure (at BU) and a couple other classes on the recording industry and law (at MTSU). My undergraduate degree is in Recording Industry: Production and Technology emphasis (from MTSU) and my Masters degree is in Graphic Design (from Boston U.). As a graphic designer I deal with copyright issues every day. I fully undertsand the nature of copyright and the way it is woven into nearly every industry in the US, mych less the entire world.

I undertsand that ny eliminating copyright, there are whole industries which will vanish completely, leaving the world a much poorer place. It is you who should open your eyes a bit and learn a bit more about copyright and the world around you. There is absolutely no evidence to back up your claim that the world will benefit from the elimination of intellectual property, so until you can prove it, it is you who should keep your opinions silent.

Re:Yeah but...

[rzbx]

Ok, so some industries vanish. New ones form, and we continue. It happens all the time with technology. New technology replaces the need for certain businesses and/or industries. Simple fact of life. Intellectual property hinders progress. Please don't tell my a bunch of crap about courses you've took. It is just more reason for you to believe that IP is good. Please read some of the counter arguments. I've done my part in reading and understanding the "old" ways. Do a search for Brian Martin and intellectual property, first link in google. Also, do some more research. These are not just opinions I express. Please for the sake of humanity, don't ever argue a point without understanding the other side. I do understand that many industries could vanish, but they can be saved with some careful planning and rethinking the system. I also understand that the complete elimination of intellectual property within a very short period of time could cause many problems. Yet if it were done slowly, for example, by preventing new patents from being issued and then later slowly eliminating existing ones, then these problems wouldn't be an issue. Many people see the direct consequences of this idea, but don't realize the benefits and long term effects.

DAMN IT FEELS GOOD TO BE A TROLLBOT

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No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
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Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

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No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

13721
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Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

32748
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Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

15424
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Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

12589
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Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

15337
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Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

26052
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Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

13342
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Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

19197
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Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

8760
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Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

12362
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Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

1732
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Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

22990
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Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

8965
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Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

10788
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Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

24876
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Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

15885
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Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

22436
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Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

8062
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Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

27517
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Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

7756
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Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

12253
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Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

21358
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Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

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Chicago

[stephanruby]

Did anyone notice the reference to 'Chicago' the musical? It's a great movie by the way, I just saw it last night.

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[XP4ME]

Testing my new Hotmail account using Outlook express 6.

Please do not reply.

In related News

[Mittermeyer]

In related news, the entire European culture for the past 1000 years sued Disney due to it's embrace and extend propiatization of classic public domain fairy tales.

Fan Fiction Too

[hikousen]

This article is similar, but it addresses fan fiction.

It's really no different than the argument over VHS tapes which led to the time-shifting decision: these new ways to look at copyrights will only lead to larger and more lucrative markets.

Douglas Adams got it right

[Morgaine]

Lawyers should be placed on the Arc B together with telephone sanitizers, advertising account executives, hairdressers, insurance salesmen and management consultants, then sent on a direct course towards a nice distant and solid planet to save them from being eaten alive by the mutant star goat.

Arc B should of course be sent ahead of the other arcs --- there's nothing nicer than a nice clean telephone to welcome home the producers and achievers.

Re:Douglas Adams got it right

[Fjord]

Yeah, but then we'll all die from an infection from a dirty phone.

Of course you choose when to follow the law.

[CrystalFalcon]

The corporation exists to make money. That is its sole purpose in life. Any path that makes more money therefore becomes the correct one.

Laws can influence what is the correct path by providing economic incentives. All such laws can do is to tip the scales a bit further in one direction or the other. It is important to understand that just because something is law, does not make it right in the eyes of the corporation.

An very simple example would be the executive on his/her way in a hurry to the airport for a business-critical (firm-survival-critical) client meeting. The correct thing to do is to take the car to the airport, drive it up on the sidewalk by the airport entrance, and abandon it there to rush to the flight. Illegal, yes, but the economic benefit of getting the sale far outweighs the economic disadvantage (cost) of the parking violation and getting the towed-away car out of the compound.

In other circumstances, economic penalties (like for dumping toxins) provide an incentive that actually does tip the scale. It's a matter of the strength of the penalty.

Corporations exist to make money. The correct course of action for a corporation is the one that generates the most money. Law is just one factor among many here, and it does not have any veto rights or other special standing among the economic factors that apply to a decision.

Re:Of course you choose when to follow the law.

[gilroy]

Blockquoth the poster:

The corporation exists to make money. That is its sole purpose in life.

Not too long ago you could have said "The person exists to get food. That is his/her sole purpose in life." And it even would have been true, for a very long time. But you know what? Somewhere along the way, we grew up a little. We saw that there is more to life than grabbing the next, or the biggest, meal. There's a whole Universe of things above, beyond, and immament in the purely material.

Maybe it's time for corporations to grow up, too. Maybe it's time for us to demand that they do, to remove the legal justifications for ones that don't, and to provide the legal framework that allows ones that do. The courts have recognized that, in certain ways, a corporation is a "person". With those rights come certain responsibilities too -- an ethics that can trascend the pure profit motive.

Not that I'm holding my breath.

Re:Of course you choose when to follow the law.

[Wylfing]

The corporation exists to make money. That is its sole purpose in life.

Actually, no. You learn this when you start up your own corp. Making money is why the stakeholders in a corporation invest in the corporation. The corp. itself has to have some other objective (e.g., making hammers), and you have to say what it is in order to be granted incorporation.

Do-GIN-she pronounciation

[Spacelem]

This is how it's pronounced according to the article. Actually, the Japanese don't emphasise syllables, hence this would just be Do-jin-she.

Re:Do-GIN-she pronounciation

[yerricde]

This is how it's pronounced according to the article.

doe (a deer a female deer) + GIN (and tonic) + she (pronoun) = doujinshi

Actually, the Japanese don't emphasise syllables

Japanese does have a pitch accent. See this explanation.

Re:Do-GIN-she pronounciation

[Yosho]

Close, except that it's more accurate to say that in Japanese, individual mora are unaccented. Mora are the syllable-like subdivisions that words are separated into; doujinshi has five, do-u-ji-n-shi. (note that a "u" following a mora that ends in an "o" just lengthens the sound of the "o", you don't actually pronounce the "u")

Re:Do-GIN-she pronounciation

[HAZMAThat]

Yeah, they do emphasize mora (syllables, kind of) a bit,and the way the article looks to be showing the pronounciation (if it doesn't include the explanation) they way it was presented in this thread, people probably would think that it has a hard 'g' sound, or maybe it is just me being used to that sound from trying to learn Japanese.

Hehe

[Anonymous Coward]

Jigglypuff... Now that name in itself is vaguely dirty...

More about doujinshi...

[Maul]

This is what I know about doujinshi. I'm sure that I might be missing some small details, but it is an interesting contrast to the concepts of Intellectual Property that we have in the US.

As the article states, doujinshi are "fan comics" created mainly by amatures that are based on existing works by professional manga artists.
Doujin varies greatly in quality and content. Lots of it is complete crap, while some of it is actually very good, arguably better than the work it is derived from. Additionally, a lot of doujin is pornographic in nature, though not all of it is.

It is similar to fanfiction, except there is one huge difference between fanfiction in the US and doujin in Japan. Doujin artists actually SELL their work for profit. There are even stores deticated just to doujin in Japan, not to mention
many very large conventions centered around doujin.

In the US, the owners of the original work would no doubt sue the pants off of anyone who tried this. If I were to make an "X-Men" fan comic and try to sell it, I could expect a big fat lawsuit from Marvel comics. However, in Japan, doujin artists are very rarely prosecuted.

The only time I can think of a doujin artist being sued is when Nintendo took legal action against a female doujin artist for making a Pokemon-based comic where Pikachu is raped by Satoshi (Ash).
I can't really blame them for that one...

Most of the time pro manga artists see the doujinshi based on their works as homage. Infact, many major manga artists (such as Akamatsu Ken, creator of Love Hina) got their start doing doujin.

Doujinshi have been around for a LONG time. Obviously, the presence of these fan comics have done little to no harm to the professional manga and anime industries. Those who produce doujin are typically the most hard core and loyal fans of the professional works, after all.

I think doujinshi is an excellent example that derivitive works really do not dilute trademarks, or any such nonsense, and that these works actually help to promote fandom of the original work. If only our friends in the RIAA and MPAA could understand that... but I guess it is pointless, after all.

Re:More about doujinshi...

[greggman]

The question is, when is it okay and when is it not? Sure, it's sounds and nice and warm and fuzzy when a Japanese company lets their fans make and sell dojinshi. But if one of those Dojinshi ever sells a million + copies I think they would stop ignoring it.

We all seem to agree it's okay for jill fan to make a small fan story about Lord of the Rings. In Japan it appears to be okay for her to sell a few hundred copies. So, is it okay for Disney then to start making a Lords of the Rings animated series without permission and without paying? If not, why? Explain your reasoning? When is it just fan stuff and when is it wrong? Should Sony be able to make a Mario game?

Re:More about doujinshi...

[Maul]

I don't see the problem, no matter HOW many copies it sells. As long as it is a fan-based work.

Naturally, there are limits. I belive a distinction must be made between a corporate entity (Sony, Disney, etc.) and a fan or group of fans. While it would not be okay for Sony to make a Mario Game, I believe it would be acceptible for a hobbyist/fan to grab a PS2 Linux kit and create a "Mario" game for PS2 with it. Nintendo probably would disagree with me. ^_^

To give another example, in recent years fan-made content in Japan has entered into other areas. Some fans create software based on existing works. This type of software is often called "Doujin-soft."

The company Leaf makes several "dating sim" type games for the PC.

One writer of Doujin-soft created a series of fighting games for PC using the characters from Leaf games. It is known as the "Queen of Heart" series. He sells these games, and is apparently quite successful in doing so.

Don't be obtuse

[Anonymous Coward]

Copyright doesn't prevent anyone from reusing story ideas. And as far as the visuals, every piece an artist draws themselves is completely original. Again, you can't copyright style.

Or any game console company

[yerricde]

It is one of the few (only?) companies that both produces content (Sony Music, Sony Films) and the technology to play it on (Sony Electronics).

What about Microsoft, with the Xbox hardware and Xbox software?

What about Nintendo, with the GameCube hardware and GameCube software?

What about Nintendo, with the GBA hardware and GBA software?

And the way Sony is structured means that these divisions are essentially autonomous.

What about Sony Computer Entertainment the PS2 console maker and Sony Computer Entertainment the PS2 game publisher?

Re:Or any game console company

[Anonymous Coward]

Microsoft and Nintendo do _not_ produce content... I.E., music and films.

His point is that Warner brothers doesn't have it's own game console and only allows warner brother movies to be made into warner brothers games.

Re:Or any game console company

[DarkZero]

The difference between game companies (including Sony) and Sony as a whole is enormous. All of the things that you mentioned were game consoles, which have intellectual property law restricting what can appear on them. If Nintendo doesn't want someone making a certain GameCube game, that GameCube game doesn't get distributed, and the same goes for Microsoft and Sony Computer Entertainment. What the parent poster was talking about, though, was Sony Electronics, which makes things like DVD players. DVD players, of course, are open to everyone that feels like making a DVD, which is why we see pornographic DVDs (for one example) and not pornographic GameCube games.

Therefore, he's still sort of correct. Sony is the only company that I can think of that produces both content and the open, unrestricted technology to play it on, which is very different from Nintendo's, Microsoft's, or SCE's relationship to their video game consoles.

Film at 11, or maybe not

[LostCluster]

Sports broadcasts have always been copyrighted. That's been true since the beginning of time. However, sports leagues usually require that the broadcasters who purchase rights allow their footage to be used in limited contexts in by other media outlets.

The result is that you see MLB, NFL, NBA and NHL highlights on SportsCenter and your local nightly newscasts.

Now, take the Olympics. NBC presently has a multi-year deal with the USOC that is very tight on how much Olympic video can be used, and when it can be used. Nobody can air even a small clip from a 2002 Olympic skating routine, even if it's a program being put together by the skater who performed in the first place.

The point? Major sports are still doing just fine in most cases, while the Olympics seems to be suffering from a general lack of interest. Apparently letting highlights be aired on the 11pm news actually helps the popularity of a sporting event...

Some thoughts on Doujinshi

[JakiChan]

As an anime fan since the late 80s, I had been aware of doujinshi, but it was not until my trips to Tokyo that I truly began to comprehend it. What I observed was:

1) Doujinshi is not allways "copycat". There are some small
fan-run books that are called doujinshi (and sold at Comic Market) that are totally original.

2) A lot of it is about porn. And about seeing your favorite anime character violated, often by tenticles. Yes, there are some original "fanfic" type stories...but there is also a lot of Sailor Moon meets Urotsukudoji. I couldn't believe the things they were doing to poor Ami-chan!

3) The Japanese are a lot more liberal about their hand-drawn porn than we are. The yaoi (boy-boy) stuff is right there with the girl-girl stuff. Women in Japan appear to be as open about liking boy-boy as men are about girl-girl. Porn is just porn.

4) Doujinshi is where folks seem to start. First you make a doujinshi of a magical girls series you like. Then you make your own magical girl. Then you decide if you really want to be a manga-ka and start trying to make a name for yourself. If you get lucky you might get in one of the anthologies - the collections put out weekly or monthly the size of small phonebooks.

Shopping for this stuff in Japan is quite fun. My best friend came with me on one of my business trips, and I came back to the hotel after the first day and he'd already scored. In fact he got me a doujinshi of my favorite Sailor Senshi getting violated several ways.

If you're in Japan and want to go shopping for anime, porn, or even animated porn, you have to go to Akihabara. The most magical place on earth. Not just tons of electronics, but tons of small bookstores. I highly recommend Cheap Bastard's Tokyo Anime Shopping Guide - it will take you on a tour through Akihabara that you will not forget. (But if you're gonna print it out at work, make sure to get it before anyone else does. You wouldn't want your boss to think you're going to Japan to shop for porn.)

Re:Some thoughts on Doujinshi

[Anonymous Coward]

You're one twisted mutherfucker, dude.

It's not the lawyers who are "queasy"...

[kaltkalt]

This article makes it sound as though it is the lawyers who get "queasy" over copyright issues. Lawyers don't get queasy, they get money. It's the overly-selfish copyright holder - the lawyers' clients - who think any time someone utters the name of their copyrighted work they are losing money (and then they file an infringement suit). Don't blame the lawyers; blame greedy (and stupid) copyright holders.

Re:It's not the lawyers who are "queasy"...

[Anonymous Coward]

I wouldn't say that it is the copyright holders, as much as, it is the publishers. The copyright holders only get a small royalty fee, and in reality, the increased recognition that they would get from "copycats" would only serve as a bargaining chip to use against the publishers in trying to acquire a more favorable licensing agreement in the future. To the large corporations, who make money on the distribution of copyrighted materials, this is a lose-lose proposition. On the one hand, a competitor (usually a smaller upstart that is not part of their oligarchy, so they don't respond to the same industry created political pressures that other members of the oligarchy agree to abide by) is gaining marketshare and wealth from a product of which they originally had exclusive rights, and on the other they have to deal with an author that now has more clout at the bargaining table that is no way linked to that particular publisher (i.e. the publisher can not claim that an author's fame is directly linked to the efforts of the publisher, and in effect, they can't take part of the credit for a particular art's popularity).

You have to remember that it is the consumer that sees innovation as an end product and the ultimate function of business. To the business, innovation is only a means to profit. Businesses only innovate to the extent that they absolutely need to in order to remain competitive in their market. If you disagree, think about the automotive industry. They'll tell you about all the great innovations in their new line of cars, but how much innovation is truly added to the product. I'll answer for you, precious little. In the automotive industry, this is easier to get away with because of the minimum captial required to start up a competing automobile manufacturing company, so they don't have to exert as much effort and pressure to perpetuate their control of the industry. Publishing on the other hand, requires very little capital to get started (technically, you don't even need an internet account), so publishers need to use legislation in order to perpetuate their market dominance.

how they make money...

[AgentGray]

While I agree with some of the comments about lawyers looking for the most moneymaking option for themsleves in the U.S., let's drop the lawyers for a moment.

What I gathered from the article is that the Japanese publishers look to make money from their work and are open for different interpretations as long as it still makes them money...

..U.S. businesses on the other hand figure that the only way they can make money (fast or otherwise) is to have complete control over their product, which in turn opens the floodgates for the lawyers, monopoly laws, and other such things needed to make sure that the businesses have complete and total (redundancy intended) control.

Before dojinshi...

[Dinosaur Neil]

A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away...

Okay, not so long ago and not so far away, there was another situation where copyright violation kept an IP alive. It's called Star Trek.

For those too young to remember, there was a 10 year period (1969-79) where Star Trek was just another cancelled TV series. A lame animated series showed up in 73(?) that quickly died and there were novelizations of both series, but otherwise, the only "authorized" new ST material was a dozen or so novels of varying degrees of quality. That and tons of fan fiction. The sort of stuff that Paramont gets real huffy about these days. Sturgeon's law applied to the results; most of it was crap (did anyone else run across any of the K/S stuff?), but the stuff that wasn't crap helped keep the franchise alive and Rick Berman employed. This was a time when fanzines were typed and mimeographed, mail involved paper and stamps, videotape was 3/4" wide and only used by TV stations... The point being that a cavalier attitude towards copyrights made it possible for Paramont to to make millions of dollars sucking the life and spirit from the desicated husk of Star Trek, long after their attempts to kill it failed.

What about an Open Fanfic License

[Mad Bad Rabbit]

Something along the lines of the
Open Gaming Licence,
that spells out what a work of fanfic may/may not do,
and what legalese one must comply with to publish it.

Lessig is NOT your friend

[Desolation Row]

Talk about easy marks.

The autotelic Mr. Lessig's day job at Stanford is creating the very IP parasites he rails on about. On weekends he hides behind white papers (dresses up in sheep's clothing) to protect you from his last crop of leaches.

"What a lot of unmitagated gall you have, grandma!"
"All the better to lop off an arm and a leg, my children!"

The only reason any of us will ever need a greedy hypocrite like Lessig is to protect us from a greedy hypocrite like Lessig.

Re:Lessig is NOT your friend

[susano_otter]

autotelic: having a purpose in and not apart from itself

...Mr. Lessig's day job at Stanford is creating the very IP parasites he rails on about.

Mr. Lessig's day job: Teaching "Constitutional Law" and "Law and Virtual Worlds" courses at Stanford University.

What we see here is a relationship between a law professor, the law, the Constitution, and virtual worlds. Since the law, the Constitution, and virtual worlds all came into existence, and are perpetuated, independently of Mr. Lessig, it seems clear that the purpose of Mr. Lessig as a law professor can only be understood in terms of its relationship to these things, and that he is not autotelic at all.

I could argue that perhaps Mr. Lessig has created the field of "Law and Virtual Worlds" specifically in order to perpetuate his own existence as a law professor, but I'd have to disregard the fact that virtual worlds, the law, and the intersection of the two, exists independently of his own existence as a law professor. Even if Lessig is one of the first to enter this field, we already have a word for that: pioneer. And when the pioneer has created the field which he then enters, we often use the term "genius". If Lessig is truly autotelic (which seems unlikely), then he is in good company, along with Jonas Salk, Neils Bohr, and Alan Turing, among others.

And why shouldn't he teach law? Study of the law does not make one an IP parasite. Teaching the law does not make one a greedy hypocrite. Teaching the law during the week, and applying one's knowledge of the law on weekends to promote justice and uphold fair play seems rather more laudable than the pursuits of the stereotypical lawyer.

Perhaps the Troll would care to offer some counter-examples that distinguish Mr. Lessig as a greedy hypocrite, rather than the admirable figure the documented evidence seems to present?

Re:Lessig is NOT your friend

[sasami]

Lessig's day job at Stanford is creating the very IP parasites he rails on about.

Right, because the worst possible way to make an impact on the legal profession is to be involved its creation.

(Trolls these days, huh? Not even the pretense of plausibility.)

---
Dum de dum.

Lawrence?

[Anonymous Coward]

I really need to meet Lawrence Lessig, if only for these facts:

1) His name is Lawrence
2) He's an adult, and still goes by the name Lawrence
3) He was raised by parents who named him Lawrence
4) He was raided by parents whose last name is Lessig, and they named him Lawrence
5) He's a lawyer... aw shit, I gotta start over

tentacle rape

[Anonymous Coward]

Yeah... I think ole Larry could learn a few things from a good tentacle rape, too

Vanity of vanities

[Forgotten]

Originality is one of the rarest things around. We've all been exposed to so many different stories, movies, etc that there's really not much we haven't seen.

There are an infinite number of possibilities we haven't seen. The problem is that we've become so conditioned by what we have seen and so arrogant in our outlook that we've become blind to those possibilities. Thus what we see as brilliant genius or creativity generally springs from a simple open-mindedness that we're all capable of...except (as your comment illustrates) we're already convinced there's nothing new under the sun, so we don't bother trying.

There are new stories - you just need to step away from the old ones in order to tell them. Harder than it sounds, I'll admit, but not impossible (else your thesis would reduce to absurdity, and nothing new would ever have been done before for us to rip off ;).

Producers supporting derivative works

[May Kasahara]

This is *slightly* off topic, so mod me down if you must. Still, there's been more than a few mentions of fanfiction here, so I thought I should bring this up.

A while ago, I saw an ad in the Village Voice placed by Showtime-- apparently they're holding their own Queer as Folk fanfiction contest. This is probably one of the few examples in the US of a creator/content provider supporting the derivative works of fans (but note the legalese submission rules ^_~). I'm curious to know if there are any more ^_^

BTW, I collect doujinshi, and the arguement that such derivative works only fuels the demand for originals is very true. As my collection grows, I have become more a fan of the works the doujinshi are based off of than back when I had no doujinshi.

Re:Producers supporting derivative works

[Theom]

We at Showtime Online express our apologies; however, these pages are intended for access only from within the United States. WTF!?!?

What a lawyer can learn from xxx

[Anonymous Coward]

new series on slashdot, coming soon:

What a lawyer can learn from kindergarten
What a lawyer can learn from a brainless
What a lawyer can learn from a chicken crossing the roda
What a lawyer can learn from a dead cow
What a lawyer can learn from a kick in the ass

I'm looking forward to these!

That's Why Puff Daddy sucks...

[Anonymous Coward]

Whether a story is original or not has nothing to do with influences that it may have from others. Point blank most artists, and people in general, won't call a story a rip off if it's good.
Take rap music for instance. It consists of vocals over samples from previously recorded songs. However people won't call a song that's really hot a ripoff despite the fact that samples could have been taken from 20 other songs.
The fact is that originality consists of creating Art which is greater than the sum of it's parts. Not necessarily creating something entirely unique. You have to add your own twist to what your copying but more importantly that twist has got to wow us.
NB: Also keep in mind that although your country's common stories might be played out to you, there's a whole world of fiction out their and you ain't seen nothing yet. Trust me.

Salil Mehra's original RLR paper here

[dan of the north]

Lawrence Lessig refers to an article published in the Rutgers Law Review this past fall by Temple Law professor Salil Mehra. The Mehra paper is here in pdf form.

Don't be silly

[duck_prime]

In related news, the entire European culture for the past 1000 years sued Disney due to it's embrace and extend propiatization of classic public domain fairy tales.

Don't be silly. European culture can go and make another Cinderella movie anytime it wants. What it can't do is sell copies of Disney's Cinderella movie, or make a Mickey Mouse movie (though that's as much a trademark issue as anything else).

European culture should get back to it's job: creating new fairy tales which are gruesome and violent, then waiting several centuries for some German academics to tone them down, then waiting for Disney to make them into a watchable movie.

Re:Don't be silly

[Fizzol]

Mickey would be public domain now if it wasn't for Sonny Bono wouldn't he?

Doojinshi and Corporate America

[HAZMAThat]

Doojinshi (double vowel) is actually smiled upon by companies and artists becuase they help sales of originals by sparking more interest, like fanfiction...plus I believe they fall under Fair-Use (if such a thing really exists anymore, heh), and that as long as the original work and artist is noted it shouldn't be that bad...Corporate America does need a lesson.... I've started trying to draw manga for a while, and I'm getting better, those How TO Draw books don't provide rules, but more guidelines you don't HAVE to follow.

Re:Doojinshi and Corporate America

[Ancient Eye]

They absolutely do -not- fall under fair use. "Derivative works" the phrase of the discussion are the exclusive -right- of the copyright holder.

I do not have any right to produce a story about Hannibal Lecter, or Hannibal from the A-Team, or The Rock from WWE, because all of those characters were created by somebody, and their copyrights now owned (assuredly by somebody else).

Original Article

[soramimicake]

The article Lessig referred to is available here.

There is another reason publishers are reluctant to go after doujinshi writers. There are quite a few professional manga artists that got their start by writing doujinshi. Some publishers see the doujinshi market as training ground for new professional manga artists, from where they can hire the best. Also, some are afraid of offending their artists, who still have many connections with the doujin field.

General Public will not wake up until.....

[ckokotay]

One of the car companies wields the DMCA against a 3rd party manufacturer(s) - and successfully prevents them from making aftermarket parts for their car because the part design 'violates' the copyrighted design.

At that point, you will only be able to buy replacement (read - expensive) parts from an authorized dealer. Why not go one step further, and make it illegal to work on your car - take it apart, and see how it works. Sounds like reverse engineering to me, and is that not already prohibited?

I sincerely hope it happens, because everyone will find out really fast how many millions of backwoods/redneck folk with guns are in this country with broken down trucks. Not smart, but if something is not done, this is coming. Yes there is a little sarcasm, but....

Chris...

Re:General Public will not wake up until.....

[Animats]

One of the car companies wields the DMCA against a 3rd party manufacturer(s) - and successfully prevents them from making aftermarket parts for their car because the part design 'violates' the copyrighted design.

Auto manufacturers have tried to get Congress to allow copyright protection on auto sheet metal, but so far, Congress hasn't given in.

But the DMCA angle is a real issue in the automotive area. Ordinarily, you can't copyright a functional part. But you can add a hardware interlock to a functional part and use the DMCA to prevent attempts to break the "protection mechanism", as the printer-cartridge industry does.

As more components of vehicles are on the vehicle LAN, this may become an issue. For example, the aftermarket radio industry may be killed off.

The problem

[La Temperanza]

Ever heard the phrase "tyranny of the majority"? Cruel and blatantly odd laws would exist, they'd just be created by the voters rather then the corporations. It's quite possible that we would still have slavery, lynchings, child labor and even worse institutions if the average person could change the law rather then have to open his mind. (Which is just what corporations do.)

Re:The problem

[t0ny]

Ever heard the phrase "tyranny of the majority"? Cruel and blatantly odd laws would exist, they'd just be created by the voters rather then the corporations. It's quite possible that we would still have slavery, lynchings, child labor and even worse institutions if the average person could change the law rather then have to open his mind. (Which is just what corporations do.)

thats not strictly true; corporations resist change even more so than people. If government (and Ralph Nader, to a very large extent) hadnt stepped in and imposed safety standards for automobiles, we wouldnt have airbags or even seat belts.

Dont take my word for it, this is all well documented. In fact, I think there was some kind of thing about Nader on the History Channel. But anyway, the real problem is one you touched on slightly- that the role of Government, ideally anyway, is to step in and do what is best for everyone, regardless of opinions (or even costs). They are supposed to take a long term view, but that role has been steadily eroding (and quite visually) over the past few decades.

Corporations and special interests have gained way too much influence in America.

this idea of "Open Source Law" is an extremely intreging one, though...

What's "content"?

[yerricde]

Microsoft and Nintendo do _not_ produce content... I.E., music and films.

I disagree with your definition of "content". I consider "content" to include any copyrighted work whose purpose is not primarily functional. Thus, my definition of "content" excludes the game engine but includes models, textures, audio, and cut-scene/NPC scripts.

Even under your definition of content (musical works, sound recordings, and audiovisual works), I still think games have "content". Games include music. Games include cut scenes, especially some Squaresoft games, which have pretty much turned into movies lately.

Re:What's "content"?

[Anonymous Coward]

True, but Nintendo and Microsoft only produce content soley for their own machines. They wouldn't and don't produce content that is playable on other electronics. I think the point the sony guy was trying to make is that sony produces music and films that are not exclusive, proprietary, or even for machines invented by sony. For instance, Sony DVD players do not only play DVDs produced by Sony. And Sony doesn't only release DVDs produced by Sony Pictures, so there is a lot of issues where Sony behaves like many many different companies that compete with each other, rather than one that has a common goal such as Nintendo (to wit, producing games exclusively to be played on Nintendo machines).

Does that make sense?

Do I care?

[Kyrn]

I like to read it, I like to write it and I like to draw it. You have no idea how cute some of the LOTR doujinshi are! Chibi Gandalf! If someone does fanart of my web comics I'm certainly flattered. But unless I'm published and making money off it myself I wouldn't want them selling thier parodies....but of course no one does that. People sell parodies of popular things the authors are already making a living off of. People do sell original doujinshi at comiket too you know.

I love e-books. Heres the thing.

[Unknown Poltroon]

I would be willing to pay say, 1-2 dollars for an e-book. If one of the current best sellers was available, hey, that a good price for me, seems reasonable. THe last plce i saw that was selling this sort of thing was peanutpress.com, and they were charging cover price (6.99) for books in palm and various formats. Not their fault, its the publishers. THe seem to run a pretty decent organization. I WILL NOT pay cover price for an e-book that i dont get a dead tree copy of. I love being able to read e-books off my palm/compaq, etc. I have a huge e-book library, and once something hits paperback, it will be avaliibel as an e-book. But not availible legally. I cant BUY the book for a reaonalb e price, but they are available free, if you know whwere to look. THis bothers me. I want to give my favrite authors money. But their publishers wont let me pay them legally, at a reasonable rate. I dont understand this. I have the same problem with music ,only this e-book problem is not as well known. ANd yes, i know about fairtunes and the like
.

Re:I love e-books. Heres the thing.

[Anonymous Coward]

Ebooks are not a right. If you can't afford them then don't buy them. It doesn't give you a right to break the law...It gives you a right to complain.

but ignoring

[Anonymous Coward]

stupid, unenforcible laws is a great american tradition!!!

Word to your mother!

[InterruptDescriptorT]

(n/t)

What the hell? Anime Topic perhaps?

[brunes69]

After reading through the summary, 3 comments, and the article I barely surmised that the story has some kind of vague reference to Anime and/or comic books, other than that I am totally lost. There is a reason for the fucking topics like Anime, it is so that people like me who have them disabled don't have to be subjected to this bullshit. Please, don't post articles on here under "law" that only have to do with anime.

Except

[Anonymous Coward]

You just 'copied' somebody else's work legally.

Go sit in your hole.

-- Ender, Duke_of_URL

Like Look'n'Feel?

[Anonymous Coward]

> Copyright doesn't prevent anyone from reusing
> story ideas
Tell that to the author of _the wind done gone_. Nice try.

> every piece an artist draws themselves is
> completely original.
Bzzzt. Thanks for playing. That's called a derivitave work. You're in violation, hope you have enough money to prove otherwise. If you have the money, you can rip other people off, oh say Lion King. 20,000 Leagues, etc, etc. If not, like say any of the disney stuff - kaput. Although I think they got them on trademark. But same diff, you're not allowed to draw Mickey Mouse.

Silly feebs.

-- Ender, Duke_of_URL

Re:Like Look'n'Feel?

[Anonymous Coward]

>If you have the money, you can rip other people off, oh say Lion King.

A ripoff of Kimba the White Lion.

Some companies do get it.

[Ironica]

About a year and a half ago or so, an Everquest player had his game account banned and was asked to remove some fan fiction from a website by Sony (and I believe there was a threat of legal action if he did not). That fiction involved a 14-year-old dark elf female being raped.

But, as was frequently pointed out in the resulting furor (the player in question apologized and took it like a man, but some players want any reason to bitch), the general policy on EQ fan sites is to let them be, and even throw them bones now and then. People post screenshots, walk-throughs, fan fics, and all kinds of other game-related content all over the web. And apparently Sony Online Entertainment and/or Verant Interactive realize that this is a *good* thing, so long as it doesn't hurt their image. They also realize that if they decide a particular work is hurting them more than helping them (as they decided with the depiction of child rape), they have the right to enforce their copyright selectively.

It seems that perhaps copyright law needs a proof of damage clause attached to it, similar to slander and libel. This could be used to expand the doctrine of Fair Use, for example. In many cases such a clause wouldn't be appropriate; you could, if it were done badly, end up with situations where someone loses their copyright because "they weren't using it." (Of course, that happens now, too... see the Darwin fish. But anyway.)

Re:Some companies do get it.

[Anonymous Coward]

Please clarify... ...what they get... ...dark elf female... ...depiction of child rape...

At what age does an elf become an adult?

What constitutes 'rape' to an elf?
To a sheep?
Is this just more anthropomorphization?

'OOOO, look at the dolphin, he's smiling'
"yes, johnny, he's glad his namesake a/k/a mahi
mahi is so well know by that alias. He doesn't
realize that good red meat by any other name
is still porpoise"

Re:Some companies do get it.

[Ironica]

'OOOO, look at the dolphin, he's smiling'
"yes, johnny, he's glad his namesake a/k/a mahi
mahi is so well know by that alias. He doesn't
realize that good red meat by any other name
is still porpoise"

Unless of course it's Dolphinfish, but whatever.

They were worried about the image, not whether the article was actually committing statutory rape under California law. Many players argued that at level 14, a character is already out adventuring and stuff... but that wasn't what the story had said (it said age not level), so it brought a very different image to mind.

Microsoft's PC games

[yerricde]

They wouldn't and don't produce content that is playable on other electronics.

Possibly true of Nintendo, but Microsoft publishes games that run on Dell, Gateway, HP, or any other brand of x86 PC on Windows, Lindows, Lycoris, or any other OS that implements Win32.

Re:Grow up. Seriously.

[t0ny]

damn Blockbuster... I cant even rent "Encino Housewife Hookers" there.

strange...

[tetro]

From what I've seen, it seems like RIAA's lawyers have been influenced by manga and anime. They're basically doing to the consumer what aliens do with their tentacles on japanese school girls.

That's a polite fiction.

[Anonymous Coward]

> The corp. itself has to have some other objective
> (e.g., making hammers), and you have to say what
> it is in order to be granted incorporation.

So you become a holding corporation, and just own other corporations.

Or you start doing one thing (IBM) and end up in completely different business paths.

Back in the day, when a corporation started conducting business outside it's charter, it got it's charter revoked, and it's assets auctioned off to give money to the shareholders. Which is the way it should be, with appropriate fines to the jurisdiction it is in.

-- Ender, Duke_of_URL

Yeah, you are mistaken.

[Anonymous Coward]

> Copyright law solely exists to try and protect
> creators.
Copyright law was written to benefit society, by encouraging creators to create (and to not create and be instantly ripped off). Copyright does not benefit or protect a creator. Name any Top 100 Billboard artist who actually owns the songs that're making the money?

Bet you can't. Copyright effectively protects the *OWNERS* of the copyrights, who are no longer the creators. See any of the instances of the creators of songs who aren't getting paid their royalties. Any legal recourse for them? Hell no.

And this business of copyrights extending 95 years past the creator's death??

Of course in the beginning when the US was a developing country, we ignored other countries IP laws, and blatantly ripped them off as hard and as fast as we could. I recall a locomotive we shipped over to do reverse engineering on....

-- Ender, Duke_of_URL

Re:This article

[Lord Bitman]

has nothing to do with anime. It is about how copywrite law tends to be applied to fan-fiction.

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Re:Some thoughts on Doujinshi: a translation

[Lord Bitman]

As an anime fan since the late 80s, I had been aware of doujinshi, but it was not until my trips to Tokyo that I truly began to comprehend it. What I observed was:

1) Doujinshi is not allways "copycat". There are some small
fan-run books that are called doujinshi (and sold at Comic Market) that are totally original.

2) A lot of it is about porn. And about seeing your favorite anime character violated, often by tenticles. Yes, there are some original "fanfic" type stories...but there is also a lot of Sailor Moon meets Urotsukudoji. I couldn't believe the things they were doing to poor [I am a dumbass]!

3) The Japanese are a lot more liberal about their hand-drawn porn than we are. The yaoi (boy-boy) stuff is right there with the girl-girl stuff. Women in Japan appear to be as open about liking boy-boy as men are about girl-girl. Porn is just porn.

4) Doujinshi is where folks seem to start. First you make a doujinshi of a magical girls series you like. Then you make your own magical girl. Then you decide if you really want to be a [I am a dumbass] and start trying to make a name for yourself. If you get lucky you might get in one of the anthologies - the collections put out weekly or monthly the size of small phonebooks.

Shopping for this stuff in Japan is quite fun. My best friend came with me on one of my business trips, and I came back to the hotel after the first day and he'd already scored. In fact he got me a doujinshi of my favorite [I am a dumbass] getting violated several ways.

If [I am a dumbass] for porn.

A good deal?

[Anonymous Coward]

> Something that costs you a dollar today but gets
> you back 25 cents a year for each of the next ten
> years is usually a good deal, isn't it?
You're thinking that in four years you'd pay off the value of that $1, right?

Wrong.

What are the opportunity costs? If you took that dollar x5, and were instead able to seize the opportunity to start a profitable venture, that was making 10% annually:

5.00= 5.50,6.05,6.66,7.33,8.06,8.87,9.76,10.74,11.81,12. 99

versus

0.00=
1.25,2.50,3.75,5.00,6.25,7.50,8.75,10.00, 11.25,12. 50

And a 10% opportunity is fairly small/minor investment, 25%-500% is a better business number (of course the initial rate won't usually stay at that level - see Lotus 123, or any of the smaller examples). We're not even discounting the future value of money in this example. $5 today buys a lot more than $5 next year (except in hertz and gigs).

The real point is that it may cost you $ to recapture that initial amount. However if you've got a lawyer on staff, that cost is often already paid for, and you either use your lawyers, or waste money feeding them.

You also don't have to fight that person again, they'll have been bleed dry from the first infringement.

I still think it's worthwhile to not pursue every violation, however that's a *bad* example to use.

-- Ender, Duke_of_URL

Re:A good deal?

[Eenlezer]

Your math lacks the fact that you can invest the money you get back. While in the the case you call most profitable the money is tied up for 10 years, the result for getting 0.25 per 1.00 every year would be much higher than your 12.50 if you reinvest it. Lets reinvest it in your 10% to the end of the ten years. 0.00= 1.25, 2.63, 4.14, 5,80, 7,63, 9,64, 11.86, 14,29, 16,97, 19,92 Imagine what would happen if you reinvested in another 0.25 per 1.00 for ten years and so on. Sorry if I dont do the math,because it becomes exponentially complicated and after the 10 years you still get money back.

the origional article

[rneches]

People might be interested in looking at the article Lessing is talking about, since the Red Herring article does not link to it. enjoy

Unfortunately

[Anonymous Coward]

Sampling is dead, because of a different case.

Now everyone gets permissions for their samples, or doesn't use it. You're obviously not a rap fan :D

-- Ender, Duke_of_URL

Or maybe

[Anonymous Coward]

You haven't read all the numbers. RIAA lies thru their teeth. When Napster was around, it increased music sales. And once they killed Napster, music sales decreased. Or wait, maybe the massaged numbers reflect little of what's actually going on in the markets as a whole.

Also, maybe some of us are boycotting buying CDs - and will continue to do so. These punks are turning me into a straight physical book-buying person, and ya know what? It's not a bad place to be. I hope they choke themselves right out of being in the entertainment business.

-- Ender, Duke_of_URL

kanji are akin to icons

[anagama]

Whether its Mac, Windows, Gnome or KDE, most people recognize the programs they use by icon. Would you really rather see a blob of text on your desktop/taskbar/panel/whatever? These icons are nouns - just add some adjectives and verbs and your good to go! ;-)

Lessons can be learned

[NaCh0]

I learned about giving enemas to chinks in school girl outfits and about tentacle rape!

copying manga/anime

[Anonymous Coward]

Dojinshi? We have that in America too, it's called The Matrix.

It might be Britain by the sound of it

[smcv]

I live in Britain, and most of that stuff sounds familiar (I can't remember the exact rules, but 6 weeks sounds right, and we certainly have subsidised party-political broadcasts and spending limits for individual politicians' ads).

The down side is that you don't get to vote on US laws, but you occasionally get them applied to you anyway.

The confusion between theft and "theft"

[njdj]

The illogical attitudes of Western businesses are the result of all the propaganda about "theft" of "intellectual property" being in some way the same as theft of property.

US legislators love this game of "defining" a word or phrase to mean something completely different, for legal purposes, from its normal meaning. An example from a completely different subject area: in some US states, driving at a speed more than 15mph over the limit is "legally defined" to be "reckless driving". So somebody who drove at 70 mph when the highway limit was 55, on a road with no other traffic and perfect visibility for miles, could be convicted of "reckless driving". (Before you ask, no it didn't happen to me. Just an example.)

Flattery was:Re:For the uninitiated

[AmbyVoc]

At the time the BBS-systems ruled and the Internet was still quite new in kid Finland there was a musical revolution on the way, ppl were very much into electronic music such as ambient, techno, jungle, gabber and others. I used to contribute my music (*.mod, *.s3m, *.xm) to the ambient scene. I remember it was quite usual to see greetings and title info in the songs sample lists, and not even unusual if ppl asked and even provoked others to listen and to rip, remix and re-use materials from their own songs.

I was one of those who was *really* flattered by friends making party-lp's or musicdisks with my music on them. (which was of course quite quiet since I wasn't _that_good_ a musician but still...)

- Voice of Ambience -

Art has always been like this.

[tdelaney]

People have always copied and imitated the style of those artists they admire while learning their own style.

It is (or at least has been) common for art students to copy great works (such as the Mona Lisa) in order to learn the techniques they require to develop for themselves.

This is exactly the same thing. Doujinshi is simply fans copying the styles of their favourite artists - the medium just happens to be a comic.

Yu Watase (for example) states quite clearly that she would not have got her start in drawing manga if she had not copied other artists - she drew doujinshi.

People have to learn, and in a visual medium you learn by copying and hopefully improving on the works of others. It is the rare person who can be completely original right off the bat without being completely wanky.

Re:Art has always been like this.

[Tsuzuki]

What's really unique about doujinshi is that it doesn't promote directly copying the styles of other artists. Instead, it encourages artists to draw existing characters in their own style, creating original scenarios and storylines that they'd like to see. It's visual fanfic, rather than copyart. Since most doujinshika create manga in groups ('circles'), it also provides you with artistic peers who like the same stuff you do and can provide you with a way of artistic exchange.

Creating good characters is the hard part of original art, so doujinshi provides a way of honing your art skills by providing the characters. This doesn't just apply to manga, either - there are doujinshi for manga, anime, games, music artists/groups and TV shows like ER. There's also a section of original doujinshi, since the term itself just applies to the "fan-published" nature of the medium.

Blizzard have, to an extent, embraced this flavour of fandom. They support fansites, as long as fans create their own material rather than using official screenshots or scans of the manual. They at least understand that killing off web fandom would considerably hurt their own revenue.

Re:Art has always been like this.

[Anonymous Coward]

Yes well... you're perfectly qualified as an expert witness on the subject of "completely wanky" XD

Re:This article

[brunes69]

Well they should call it fan fiction then instead of dumping all these crazy japanese names on people who have no clue what they are talking about cause they dont read this trash.

Re:Here's one - flame away

[octalgirl]

You said short story - this is not comics, but here goes:

I think my husband is addicted to eBay

It all started one day when I noticed my husband, Mark, was spending a little more time than usual checking his email. I wandered into the office to see what he was up to. "What're you doing Honey?"
"I'm just surfing on eBay."
"For anything in particular?"
"Sticks. Pool sticks. Mickey found a good deal on a Huebler, so now I'm trying to find one." That's my hubby: like the matching pea in a pod, whatever his best friend Mickey had, Mark would soon possess, and vice versa.
"How much?"
"Mickey got his for $175.00. Then he found a Meucci for Carol. Some models retail for twice that."
I shook my head a little, gave him a kiss on the cheek and said, "Ok, have fun."
Just a couple of days later he was at it again. "What are you looking for now?" I quizzed.
"Sticks."
"But, I thought you found one the other night."
"I did. Now I'm looking for one for you." He looked up at me with a pleading glance, "You want your own pool stick, Honey?"
"But, I don't play pool often enough to own my own stick."
"I can get you a purple one!" he beamed as he tried to appeal his case to me.
"Honey, I don't need a stick. I hardly ever go out when you shoot pool. I can just borrow yours when I do."
The next night he was at it again. "Honey! I want to show you something!" He shouted from upstairs. Once upstairs Mark proudly turned the monitor toward me so he could display his new find.
"Look Honey, a purple one!"
He clicked the Back arrow, and then clicked on a web link he had saved. "And here's a green one. You like green, don't you?" I could already tell that I was going to be the proud owner of a Huebler whether I wanted one or not.
"I found a neat trick. Look." he said as he pointed to the monitor. "A lot of people spell Huebler wrong. So if you search for the stick using the misspelling, you'll find a bunch that hardly anyone is bidding on, because most people are searching for the real name. See, the purple one is spelled 'Hubler'. It's only up to $75.00, and there's only three people bidding on it." He clicked another link, "And here's a Meucci, but it's spelled 'Meuchie', so the search function can't find it."
"You're already bidding on the stick? But I told you I didn't want one."
"But it's a great stick. Trust me honey. Now we can all have our own."
"You can have two if you really want them, but I don't need one. And, by the way, what are all of those boxes that keep showing up in the mail?"
He flashed a big, proud grin, "Car parts."
"You're buying car parts online? Isn't that a little expensive? Can't you just go to the junkyard like you usually do?"
"But you can't find the kind of parts I need in a junkyard. I ordered ashtrays for my Monte Carlo. You can't get '87 ashtrays from any of the junkyards around here. And I found door locks for it too. They're the kind with the knobs on the end instead of the straight ones."
"How much for new door locks?" I asked.
"Fourteen bucks, plus shipping."
I rolled my eyes. "Whatever! I'm going back downstairs."
A few days later Mark called for me to come upstairs again.
"Don't tell me, eBay. What did you find now?"
"Just because I love you so much, and you're the most wonderful wife in the world..." he bribed as he turned the monitor toward me. There on the display was an enlarged photo of a diamond ring. "Do you like it?"
"Honey", I pronounced the syllables distinctly putting a little emphasis on the 'eee' part, "That's very sweet of you, but I don't need another ring." I held up my ring finger to him, presenting a seven-diamond marquee band, "You just bought me this one a few months ago, and I love it. You know I don't wear a lot of jewelry."
"But, I would get it for you if you wanted it. You know, most wives would be happy that their husband wanted to buy them a new ring."
"I leaned down to kiss him, "Then you should be glad I'm not like most wives. Please, no ring. Ok?"
"Ok. Your loss."
Over the next few weeks there were more rings for him to show me. Mark had moved onto gemstones, prodding with, "You want a birthstone don't you?" I finally caved on the birthstone, if he could get it for under $50.00, which he did. It was surprisingly nice for the money. Apparently the woman selling it forgot to put in a reserve price on the item. This meant that she would have to sell it at whatever the final bid was.
Then there was the pretty sapphire with a triangle shaped diamond on either side for $175.87. The diamonds were .3 carats, small but noticeable, and definitely not little chips surrounded by a lot of setting the way so many of them are. Clicking on the photos to enlarge them is important in order to catch this detail. If a photo is too blurry and doesn't provide a detailed description of the carat weight, it's not worth looking at. To win this one, Mark had three separate browsers open, each with small increments in price. He had learned that a modem, even at 56k, could only go so fast. So Marked prepped his browsers, and then when the auction began nearing the last minute he would Submit, Submit, Submit. He came within 20 seconds of the end of the auction. The bidder before him came in at 25, losing by just 5 seconds. Yes, I was being educated on the intricacies of eBay on a daily basis now.
I had to admit I was happy with some of his little finds for me. But the small packages were starting to show up daily. I had long lost count over the past few months. I had given up on asking about car parts and paintball guns, and had insisted on no more jewelry. Since we were the proud owner of two new (used) Hueblers, I felt safe there would be no more of those.
I was wrong. Even though each pool cue came with it's own case, Mark claimed he needed to buy a special case that could carry two sticks. Ok, I reasoned; that made some sense. But what were we going to do with the two empty single cases? Then he needed a stick just for breaking. I tried to argue that one down by pointing out that a bar cue was quite sufficient for the task, but lost to his enthusiastic and passionate energy.
After a few months and I don't know how much money, I got paged upstairs again. "Your Mom likes these, doesn't she?" he asked, as he pointed to a listing of Caroling dolls, better known as 'suffocating people' around here. That's my clever Honey's nickname for them because he says when you put them in a glass display case, they all look like they're gasping for air.
Putting his generous spirit aside, my hands were on my hips now. I had had enough. "Honey! You're buying for my mother now? Don't you think you're taking this eBay stuff a little too far?" I glared at him in a way that only an angry wife can, "Honey, I think you are addicted to eBay. You haven't stopped since you started. You've run out of things to buy (thank God!), so now your shopping for other people. You need to stop. You know I love you, but you need to stop. I don't want to see another package come into this house!"
A dark cloud seemed to settle on the house for the next couple of days. Mark moped about. He shopped, but didn't bid. I swear he was going through withdrawal. I felt guilty, but we had a deal as husband and wife. We gave each other a lot of leeway with our lives; we trusted each other completely to always do the right thing for the marriage. But if one of us decided the other was starting to cross from the gray into the black, and was called up on it, they would stop whatever the offending thing was. End of story; no arguments. Sulking, yes. Arguing, no.
Finally, I couldn't take his misery anymore. "Honey, listen: you can't possibly need anything else from eBay. You've bought it all already." He just scowled, and mumbled something I probably didn't want to hear anyway. "Why don't you look for things that you can sell, instead of trying to buy everything? Maybe you can sell the pool cases you have left over?"
A seed planted; I left.
After a few days, I noticed Mark was digging through our closets and rummaging up in the attic. He had managed to dig out a couple of items that might sell on eBay. Digital camera in hand, he photographed his items and dutifully posted them to the site. Not a bad beginning, but now he was on a new quest. If we weren't using it anymore and it contained even a nominal value, he was selling it.
He had in the garage some of his own car parts, left over from cars long gone, that he posted. Amazingly everything sold and sold quickly. I guess you need to know your automobiles, but there are some models of cars that are harder to find parts for than others. And there are silly things (to me anyway), like the fact that a 1987 Corolla was sold with small mirrors and large mirrors. Apparently the large ones are hard to find and he just happened to have a couple. He had a spare alternator from an old car that got totaled before he ever got to put it in, and it too sold quickly. Mark had only bought a couple of items for himself in the last couple of months, for which I said nothing. The tides had shifted and the balance restored. The money was coming in now instead of going out.
On one very rare day, our teenage daughter, Cherie, decided to clean her room. Two large garbage bags were placed in the garage, and I knew I would need to go through them. She had a bad habit of throwing away small items that were still perfectly good, instead of putting them in the yard sale pile. Sure enough, there were a couple of small wooden boxes stuffed in the bags along with a lot of leftover school papers and used notebooks. I pulled the boxes out and placed them on top of the trash barrels then tied the bags back up.
It wasn't too long before Mark eyed the boxes and brought them over to his workbench. Inside one of the boxes was a large plastic bag. It was filled with what looked to be pen tips, the kind that are used on old fountain pens. He asked me where they came from. I recalled Cherie was attempting to learn calligraphy at one point, so they must have come from then. But they were very old pen tips. Someone must have given them to her a long time ago.
Mark diligently went on eBay and did a little research. Lo and behold, these ???? pen tips were for sale all right, and were selling well. He found one guy who sold a dozen tips for $45.00. We had fifty tips in the bag. It turned out that they were indeed very old, and were not in production anymore.
Mark thought about this for a while. Should he sell the whole bag with all fifty tips in one fell swoop? Or should he farm them out a little at a time? If he sold them all, he might get a good price, but who would want to buy them? Possibly another dealer. But it seemed feasible to him that an ordinary person would have no use for fifty tips. His research showed that they lasted about two to three years, depending on use. So he opted to sell them in smaller quantities.
Digital photos ready, he posted his newfound treasure. He placed three separate auctions with three pen tips each. He made sure he clearly listed the name brand and model numbers, and in the photo he had one of the tips out of the box so it could be properly viewed. Wow! Who knew so many people were hot for pen tips? After seven days on auction, his top one sold for $26.00. Imagine, $26.00 for just three pen tips that were on their way out to the trash. The other two sets sold for $19.00 and $17.00. And he still had forty-one left to sell. It was nice to see the smile back.
Clearly on a different path now, Mark was always looking for something good to post. Jewelry and pool cues were no longer on his mind. The only thing he bought lately were old novels written by Norah Lofts, that his mother loved to read. Since they were written in the 70's and are very hard to find, eBay proved to be the perfect hunting ground.
One weekend we were at the closing end of a yard sale of a co-worker who was moving away. As most good yard-sellers do, they try to unload a lot of stuff at the end, or they throw it away. The man gifted Mark with a car model kit that he had never built. The box was fairly ratty, but the model kit itself was still inside its protective plastic bag. It was of a 1969 Corvette, 1/20th scale. It had all of the decals and came with real rubber wheels, which, so I am told, are supposed to be fairly rare.
Mark took his photos. He now had a large piece of wood painted a light cream color, so he would always have a clean backdrop to clearly display his items. He tried to research the Corvette model, but he couldn't find one just like it. He looked at some of the prices that other models were going for, and they auctioned for anywhere between fifteen and one hundred dollars. Mark preferred to start his auctions off with a very low bid, and let the auction take off. If he wanted $25.00 for an item, he would start it at $5 or $10 and let the bidders bring it up. He noticed if he started too high, or placed a high reserve on an item, the final sale price never really crept up. There is something about winning an auction from another person that fuels the bidding process.
A master at this now, Mark dutifully typed up the full description so it would be ready to copy and paste into the eBay auction description form. He didn't leave anything out, even describing that the original owner was into Vettes but never found the time to build the model, and that he didn't want to keep it for himself because he too, did not have the time to do it any justice. Apparently this model was also unique in that it could be built three ways: blown dragster, exciting custom and stock open 427 roadster (whatever any of that means - I just copied this stuff from his description). It also had vinyl seatbelts and floor mats, which most model makers don't bother with anymore. In addition to his detailed description, he cross-linked his advertising by mentioning to check his 'other auction' for the 1969 Corvette Model, on an old Corvette Dealer brochure that he had also picked up at the yard sale and vice versa. (Who knew old dealer brochures were collectible?)
The auction began with a starting bid of $6.00. Within one day it was up to $56.00. By the end of the third day, it had gone over the $150.00 mark. Then Mark received an email from a gentleman in Argentina. It turned out that Mark had listed that he would only ship to the United States or Canada. Mark quickly realized that it was a little silly to cut himself so short, when his auction was being viewed by the entire world. The guy from Argentina mentioned that he would like to bid on the model, but Mark said he couldn't. So, Mark quickly corrected this by sending an email back and basically saying, "Hey, if you don't mind paying the extra for foreign shipping, go ahead and bid on it." Then he posted a correction to his auction description and mentioned that he would indeed ship to a foreign country, but to please remember that it was a lot more costly to do so. And so the bidding war began.
The next day the auction heated up again and at last glance had reached $203.00. Considering the bid increments were only $1.00 each that demonstrated a fairly active day. By the end of the seventh day, Mark's new determined friend in Argentina had worked the final sale to $247.00. He was going to own that Corvette model and nothing was going to stop him. And so the story goes: a dusty little model car kit, pulled from the trash at the last minute, started out at $6.00 and ended up selling for $247.00 plus another $25.00 to ship by air.
Yes, life is good around here again. Hubby is happy. Wife is happy. Man in Argentina is happy. And the kid? Well -- we never did tell her about the pen tips. :)

Oh yeah, copyright 2003 by me

A football analogy

[Spunk]

Yes. As an additional point, consider this situation from american football:

During a play, your opponent breaks a rule which is normally alleviated by a 5 yard penalty. However, your team gained 7 yards, so it is to your advantage to ignore the penalty.

Re:A football analogy

[Fjord]

I don't think that works. In that case you would add the 5 yard penalty to the 7 you gained to get 12, which is better than 7.

If that's not the case, then taking the 5 would make sense since I'm sure they wouldn't increment your down counter. Being 1st and 5 is arguably better than 2nd and 3. But this isn't how the game is played anyway. You would get 12 and be back at 1st and 10.

Re:A football analogy

[Spunk]

Ah hell. Serves me right for posting about a game I don't know much about.

new ways...

[sewagemaster]

...of enjoying monster sex

Re:Some thoughts on Doujinshi: a translation

[greggman]

Not just alot is about porn. 98% of it is about porn. Which is arguably why the companies look the other way. They can't themselves put out the porn since the general public would get upset. So if they can't put it out, it doesn't hurt them.

look! I'm Bowie Smacky Poag!

[Booie Paog]

look at me! i'm the fat fucking idiot! blah blah blah "i make tiles"....blah blah blah "i'm so smart", "you're a homo" etc etc etc (insert comment here about fags/how i hate people/how much smarter i am because i wrote microblogger/insult everyone because i don't have anything intelligent to say) everyone come to the Desktop Linux Summit and make sure you line up to give me a Big Fucking Dope Smack in the head like i deserve! maybe someone i meet there will have sex with me! maybe someone will buy me a drink at the local Chili's because i can say "shell script" and "unix", like they do in Arizona! whooohooo!

Correct! (nt)

[exp(pi*sqrt(163))]

Thanx

Re:Anime originality - Ghostbusters

[fallen1]

No, it wasn't the way they defeated Zuul nor was it the way they started an unusual business. It was the one line "Ok, so she's a dog."

Exactly

[Anonymous Coward]

But nobody will ever read it.

Glad at least the ACs get it.

-- Ender, Duke_of_URL

That assumes

[Anonymous Coward]

You can get the same deal with less initial capital.

Thats why I didn't call it an investment silly. If investing were that simple, then you wouldn't need to be in business in the first place. You're in business because you want greater returns than you can get in investment.

-- Ender, Duke_of_URL

Oh the woes of a missing character (or two)

[Anonymous Coward]

s/illegally/legally

It's the problem of the way laws are written. Even if you do something you haven't seen before, if anyone has done it before, you're breaking the law.

-- Ender, Duke_of_URL