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Who Owns Your Digital Media?

Ren Bucholz writes "In what was designed to be a "safety valve," the Copyright Office is holding its tri-annual search for exemptions to the DMCA's prohibitions on circumventing access controls. The Electronic Frontier Foundation submitted comments last December that outlined four "classes of works" that should be exempt, including copy-protected CDs, region-coded DVDs, DVDs with unskippable promotional material, and public domain works that are only available on DVD. They are asking people to write in support of the four exemptions that they have proposed. The Copyright Office is only accepting comments until February 19th, so get on it!"

216 comments

  1. who by OwlofCreamCheese · · Score: 3, Insightful

    who owns the analog media?

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    1. Re:who by ciroknight · · Score: 1

      that's a good question, but dont say it to loud.. we might be staring down the AMCA....
      then the government will cut out our eyes, ears, and all of our creativity.... i better be careful, someones probably listening...

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    2. Re:who by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      The Man.
      He also owns your digital media.

  2. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 3, Funny

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  3. Well... by aerojad · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If all this already exists, what is the copyright office going to do about it to prevent the big companies to just keep chugging along?

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  4. public domain audio and e-text by stonebeat.org · · Score: 4, Interesting

    that is why listen to public domain music ( mozart) public domain films (charlie chaplin) and read public domain text (projct gutenberg).....

    1. Re:public domain audio and e-text by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you also get news that way?

    2. Re:public domain audio and e-text by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In addition to your gross arrogance, you must be pretty boring.

    3. Re:public domain audio and e-text by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If restricting yourself to public domain content does that to your spelling and grammar, perhaps I won't mind paying for my content in the future ;)

    4. Re:public domain audio and e-text by SoSueMe · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yes.

    5. Re:public domain audio and e-text by waffle+zero · · Score: 5, Informative
      that is why listen to public domain music ( mozart)

      The sheet music itself may be public domain, but any performances of them are the owner of the performer and subject to copyright. You could download the sheet music and perform it, but downloading an orchestral recording would be a violation of the law.

      Furthermore, some public domain music old enough that it must be transcribed and rearranged to work in a modern orchestra because of variations in the pitches produced by instruments of later eras. This arranged music is also copyrighted by the arranger, who is entitled to compensation for use/purchase.

      So if you're looking for some music , may I suggest some Irving Berlin? His work is (relatively) recent and quite upbeat. By now, older performances are probably public domain, as well.

    6. Re:public domain audio and e-text by blibbleblobble · · Score: 1

      "that is why listen to public domain music ( mozart) public domain films (charlie chaplin) and read public domain text (projct gutenberg)...."

      And if you get a public domain text on e-book, you lose the ability to copy it. And if you listen to mozart on a CD, have a look at the CD and see if it prohibits you from playing it in public. And if you want to copy the charlie chaplin film from its DVD to your computer? Oops, broken the law again. And that's just for copying public domain works

    7. Re:public domain audio and e-text by McBeth · · Score: 1

      The arrangement thing happens with Charlie Chaplin, Buster Keaton, and other silent movies. A company will get a copy of the movie, change the intertitles or tack on their own score and copyright that arrangement. Most Chaplin movies also have "lost scenes" tacked into the movie. Usually these are an extra coupl;e of frames in a given take. BTW, _very_ few silent movies had a set score, and most of the scores that did exist have been lost.

      What we need is a system that when something is officially copyrighted (fees and all), a copy of the work is placed into say the library of congress (required not optional like now) so that when something does become public domain, we can actually get at the material. Mozart is public domain, but you would be hard pressed to find a copy of his sheet music that hasn't been arranged and recopyrighted. We have lost too many works of art to the ravages of time. Things will only get worse.

    8. Re:public domain audio and e-text by brad.hill · · Score: 1

      Copyright only protects new and original creative expression. While some new arrangements and transcriptions of music may so qualify, (such as, for example, Paul Galbraith's transcriptions of Bach's "six solo" for violin to his eight string guitar) it is arguable that no copyright could be legitimately asserted on the simply mechanical act of rescoring an old work for the pitch of modern instruments.

    9. Re:public domain audio and e-text by edbarrett · · Score: 1

      Make sure your "public domain" Mozart is actually PD. Take his Symphony No. 40 (please!). The music itself is in the public domain; no one's gonna stop you from recording your own version and selling it, and you owe nothing to anyone for doing so. If you want the sheet music to play from, and you don't transcribe it yourself, you're probably looking at purchasing a copy of that. Someone took the time to transcribe and typeset it for you. As such, the transcriber owns the copyright on their transcription of the PD music. Oh, and that recording you transcribed from; the recording itself is going to be copyrighted too.

      Whis is a roundabout way of saying that just because Mozart's Symphony No. 40 is PD does not give you the right to download (from Kazaa or whatever) the Chicago Symphony Orchestra's recording of it.

  5. The RIAA does by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Haven't you read the DMCA?

  6. Err? Shouldn't there be... by The+Pi-Guy · · Score: 4, Funny

    DVDs which cannot be played on alternative systems? (For the purposes of compatibility)

    Or maybe not. Oh yes. And this comment is ROT26 encrypted so if you read it you're violating said law. kthxbye

    --NonToxic

    1. Re:Err? Shouldn't there be... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      And this comment is ROT26 encrypted so if you read it you're violating said law.


      you ripped that from a post of about a couple of weeks ago. jackass

    2. Re:Err? Shouldn't there be... by Beowabbit · · Score: 1

      Actually, I believe the EFF's proposals would accomplish that. CSS is used for region-coding; if there's an exemption for playing region-coded DVDs, that would amount to making it unambiguously legal to reverse-engineer CSS and the DVD-player codes it uses. (That sentence would be clearer if I said "making it unambiguously legal to use DeCSS", but I'm not sure about the copyright/software-patent status of DeCSS itself.)

    3. Re:Err? Shouldn't there be... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Weeks? You stupid fucking twat, there's a mention of rot26 encoding in perlmonks a year and a half ago; I'm sure the concept dates from about five minutes after the invention of rot13.

      Twat.

  7. Microsoft by ciroknight · · Score: 5, Funny

    Of course, who did you think owned it, yourself?

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  8. More copy protection isn't the answer by Kethinov · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Who Owns Your Digital Media?
    Obviously the artists who make it.

    But more copy protection isn't the solution to all this pirating going on. Music, movies, TV shows, and other forms of digital media should be made downloadable on the website of whoever owns it. The owner could still profit quite handsomely from advertisements on the website, seeing as how more people will visit it to grab all the free media they would offer. Video media such as TV shows and movies would have built-in ads within them too.

    Hey, what better way to "pollute" or "stop" the P2P networks than making your product perfect quality and free! Who would want to download a movie off Kazaa when you can get it off the corporate website where you know your download won't get cut off? If you rip your own product into a file, you can throw as many ads into it as you wish. Granted, there would still be P2P around, but it'd be harder to find video and audio media without ads. Most people would be subject to ads, still, and the profit would still be there, just not at the expense of the user. This system discourages pirating.

    Perhaps if these companies would grow a set of balls and try something new (actually old.. TV has been doing it for decades) then they could stop worrying about copy protection. If a user downloaded your movie off your website laced with Ads you get paid for, then mass distributes it via P2P, their bandwidth is actually making you money. Why haven't these companies thought of this yet?

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    1. Re:More copy protection isn't the answer by TalonKarrde989 · · Score: 0

      Danm straight. Well thought out and very good reply.

    2. Re:More copy protection isn't the answer by God!+Awful+2 · · Score: 4, Insightful


      Music, movies, TV shows, and other forms of digital media should be made downloadable on the website of whoever owns it. The owner could still profit quite handsomely from advertisements on the website, seeing as how more people will visit it to grab all the free media they would offer. Video media such as TV shows and movies would have built-in ads within them too.

      Cough! Yet another stupid commment by someone who has no clue about economics. If you had been paying any attention whatsoever for the last 3 years you would have noticed that most of the websites that were 100% advertising are now out of business. Then let's consider how much advertising revenue you get from a single hit on your website. It sure ain't the $5 you currently pay to rent a movie or the $17 that a CD would cost you. Plus after someone downloads your movie, edits out the commercials, and sticks it on P2P then you're right back where you started. Get a fucking clue!!!

      -a

    3. Re:More copy protection isn't the answer by SoSueMe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Your point is exemplified in the wired.com article from the earlier SlashDot article.
      After hearing of all the dot bombs that based their business model on internet ad revenues and failed, it interesting to see that it can be profitable if you give the people what they want.

      It's also too cool to see the "pirates" show the Corporations how it should be done.

    4. Re:More copy protection isn't the answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Absolutely brilliant. I agree with you 100%. I wouldn't care about downloading an extra 10mb of advertisements on my pirated cartoons, as you can always just skip them with whatever media player you use. :)

      Sailing the seven seas of piracy,
      Alex D.

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    6. Re:More copy protection isn't the answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Who Owns Your Microwave Oven?

      Obviously the company who made it.

      You just paid for the right to use it in your home!

      Private property is the cornerstone of our society. Or was anyway. Welcome to New Capitalism!

    7. Re:More copy protection isn't the answer by SoSueMe · · Score: 1

      Plus after someone downloads your movie, edits out the commercials, and sticks it on P2P then you're right back where you started.

      This would be true if the average user of P2P knew that the material they download could be edited.
      Truth is editing would be too much trouble for the average viewer. It's not as satisfying to actually do something about a problem as it is to bitch about it.

    8. Re:More copy protection isn't the answer by God!+Awful+2 · · Score: 1


      This would be true if the average user of P2P knew that the material they download could be edited.
      Truth is editing would be too much trouble for the average viewer. It's not as satisfying to actually do something about a problem as it is to bitch about it.

      Someone will write an open source program to do it for them.

      -a

    9. Re:More copy protection isn't the answer by SoSueMe · · Score: 2, Funny

      Someone will write an open source program to do it for them.

      Will it do something about the problem or bitch about it for them?

    10. Re:More copy protection isn't the answer by God!+Awful+2 · · Score: 1

      Commmercial skipping algorithms have already been developed for VCRs. Someone will write the equivalent program for digital media.

      -a

    11. Re:More copy protection isn't the answer by Kethinov · · Score: 1

      f you had been paying any attention whatsoever for the last 3 years you would have noticed that most of the websites that were 100% advertising are now out of business.

      These companies go out of business because they have nothing to offer on their websites that keeps people coming. If you could download each new episode of The Simpsons from their website each week, wouldn't you keep coming?

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    12. Re:More copy protection isn't the answer by tannhaus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, I disagree totally. First, the artists do not own MY cd. The artist contracted with a record company. Any standard record contract gives the rights to that cd to the record company. The record company is the one screaming save the artist! while at the same time bending that selfsame artist over the table for a little woo woo.

      Ok, now that we've established that the artist doesn't own the music, the record company does, let's follow that cd to a store. That cd is on a rack. I want that cd, so I buy it. Now, I have bought the recording...it's mine. I am not free to give away COPIES of that recording, however, I am free to give away that recording if I wish..it's mine. If I want to copy that cd and put the original away so it doesn't get scratched, that should be my right. It's my recording. If I want to copy that cd and put the copy in the car, that should be my right. I bought the recording. The record company holds the rights to distribute that recording. I do not. But, I do hold the rights to listen to my recording however I wish.

    13. Re:More copy protection isn't the answer by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 1

      "If you had been paying any attention whatsoever for the last 3 years you would have noticed that most of the websites that were 100% advertising are now out of business."

      For somebody who claims to understand economics, you sure don't seem to understand why those sites failed. The reason they failed is that they didn't reward the customer for viewing the ad. Instead, they put banners up in the corner that people learned to ignore because there was no value there. If they were smart and put cartoons or something up there, they might have had a loyal advertising audience.

      " It sure ain't the $5 you currently pay to rent a movie or the $17 that a CD would cost you."

      How many people aren't renting movies because they're too tired after work to do so? I think this would add to their revenue, not replace the rental system. Other than that, I think you're right.

      "Plus after someone downloads your movie, edits out the commercials, and sticks it on P2P then you're right back where you started. Get a fucking clue!!!"

      Who'd wanna do that? That has to be the dumbest thing I've heard today. If it's free on the website, what's the incentive for somebody to want to download it from your 256k connection? I'd rather get it off a fast server with ads than download the edited from you over the period of a day.

    14. Re:More copy protection isn't the answer by rzbx · · Score: 1

      I agree. There would be more incentive to create better quality content at the same time. If your content is popular enough, you may get away with more ads within the content than if your content is less popular. So the next time you see a Jackie Chan movie, he might be wearing some (name a shoe maker) shoes, driving a (name a car), and maybe even have him going to see another movie thats coming out next month. Advertising within the movie would create a whole new method of advertising that would be less obvious, but most likely just as powerful. That is why you see artists and athletes that advertise a product. Athletes also get sponsers which help pay for their particular sport and advertise themselves at the same time. As the internet grows larger and faster, it is only logical to use this sort of strategy to distribute content. Maybe some company will start making content that is based around their product, or should I say maybe some more will. Check out bmwfilms.com for an example. I still have yet to see the clips though.

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    15. Re:More copy protection isn't the answer by Gyan · · Score: 1

      Video media such as TV shows and movies would have built-in ads within them too.

      Ads break the continuity and are most unwanted during a gripping part (cfr. Tivo). So some geeks would edit out the ads in movies especially and redistribute those. Make your filename contain ad-free and voila !

      Other than that, I like your idea.

      Why haven't these companies thought of this yet?

      A lot of users still on dial-up. Broadband users get charged by amount of traffic. Would be reluctant to download it from your site. Rather have 1 guy get it and redistribute it to friends. So advertisements on movie websites are underutilized. They also need to create hardware DivX players, or rather an interface/feature-set similar to DVD but with DivX compression.

      Most importantly, record and movie companies have a monopoly to uphold and their salaries to protect :-)

    16. Re:More copy protection isn't the answer by letxa2000 · · Score: 1
      If you had been paying any attention whatsoever for the last 3 years you would have noticed that most of the websites that were 100% advertising are now out of business.

      Actually, it wasn't and isn't a matter of depending totally on advertising. My website still exists and is funded by banner ads. I haven't increased my rates in a year and a half, but I haven't lowered them either.

      The whole "dot com" implosion was more about businesses that had a 50-employee staff of people doing busy work and buying cool chairs instead of two web developers and a single salesperson that could have probably done the same thing than it was about depending on advertisements.

      My website could not have sustained a 50-employee company in 1999 just like it can't today. The difference is that I recognized that and didn't try to get VC funding, hire an army, and go with an IPO. Those that did are out of business, the rest of us are still here earning money on a CPM basis.

    17. Re:More copy protection isn't the answer by flex0 · · Score: 1

      If you had been paying any attention whatsoever for the last 3 years you would have noticed that most of the websites that were 100% advertising are now out of business.

      Well, maybe thats because noone goes on websites composed of 100% ads. ;)

    18. Re:More copy protection isn't the answer by D+iz+a+n+k+Meister · · Score: 1

      If it were possible to download the new episode of The Simpsons, un-cut(unlike syndication episodes are), yes, I would keep coming back to the website.

      If anything that like that was available on the web, you definitely wouldn't see me hanging around here anymore.

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    19. Re:More copy protection isn't the answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I dunno; if I could watch "Buttman: The Fashionistas" online somewhere, I'd keep coming, and coming, and coming...

    20. Re:More copy protection isn't the answer by Planesdragon · · Score: 1

      Commmercial skipping algorithms have already been developed for VCRs.

      Those work only because the TV broadcast leaves room for the commercial-skipping algorithims to catch. Edit out the blackspace on you digital TV download, and you've got yourself a much more difficult problem.

      Plus, TV can always go back the old model of interweaving advertisments with the show. Either a "thank the sponsors" segment, or a direct promotion--both of which are likely to be left in even by commerical-clippers.

    21. Re:More copy protection isn't the answer by God!+Awful+2 · · Score: 1


      The reason they failed is that they didn't reward the customer for viewing the ad.If they were smart and put cartoons or something up there, they might have had a loyal advertising audience.

      Cartoons,you say? Yeah, everyone on here has his pet theory on how to make money on the Internet and they all involve giving away your greatest asset for free. I'll believe it when I see it.

      How many people aren't renting movies because they're too tired after work to do so? I think this would add to their revenue, not replace the rental system. Other than that, I think you're right.

      Well, if they're too tired to go to the video store, they can watch pay per view for about the same price. No need to give away their products for free on the Internet.

      I'd rather get it off a fast server with ads than download the edited from you over the period of a day.

      Whatever... someone will write an ad-skipping plugin for Mozilla. Same difference. I have yet to meet anyone who thought that downloading a movie and not watching the ads was stealing.

      -a

    22. Re:More copy protection isn't the answer by God!+Awful+2 · · Score: 1

      Well, I don't know about your website specifically. I definitely agree that there were plenty of dumb websites with dumb business cases before the implosion, but there were also some good sites that struggled.

      Before the bubble burst, I was on at least 4 different ad-sponsored mailing lists with readerships in the 10s or 100s of thousands. None of these sites went crazy with IPOs or hiring 50 people, but they all had to move to a subscriber model (or mixed subscriber/advertising) when the ad revenue dried up.

      The stupid companies went flat-out bankrupt, but many of the good ones couldn't cut it with advertising alone. I'm talking about online media here, not e-commerce. In addition to developing the website, they also have to provide content, which is no easy task.

      -a

    23. Re:More copy protection isn't the answer by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 1

      "Cartoons,you say? Yeah, everyone on here has his pet theory on how to make money on the Internet and they all involve giving away your greatest asset for free. I'll believe it when I see it."

      Okay, go turn on your TV.

      "Well, if they're too tired to go to the video store, they can watch pay per view for about the same price. No need to give away their products for free on the Internet."

      You mean like TV does?

      "Whatever... someone will write an ad-skipping plugin for Mozilla. Same difference."

      Lol okay. Whatever. I'd respond for that if you weren't so interested arguing with me instead of listening to me.

      "I have yet to meet anyone who thought that downloading a movie and not watching the ads was stealing."

      So? Technically it's not. Unless you want to call me changing the channel during a commercial 'stealing'. Truth be told, I don't think you're really thinking about what I'm saying. It's one thing to say "I understand your point, but I simply don't agree." It's another to say "well, you're wrong because somebody's going to do something to thwart it and everybody in the world will suddenly go down that path." If that were really going to happen, ad skip technologies for TV would be much higher. The truth is that people don't mind breaks once in a while.

      Anyway, I await your oversimplified speculations.

    24. Re:More copy protection isn't the answer by God!+Awful+2 · · Score: 1

      I don't know about you, but I have cable and I pay something like $70 a month for TV (and it goes up all the time). Broadcast TV loses market share every year and TIVO is really going to kill it if left unregulated. 100% ad sponsored TV was a dominant business model in a technological vacuum, the kind of atmosphere that never existed on the Internet.

      My comment about downloading a movie and not watching the ads being stealing was in reference to a quote from some TV network bigwig who said that skipping commmercials was stealing. Anyway, my point is that TIVO is rapidly gaining popularity and the ability to skip commercials is a large reason for that popularity. None of the viewers seem to care if the network makes money from ads, so I conclude that the value of the ads will go down and the networks will lose money. People will get used to pressing the pause button on the TIVO when they need a break.

      -a

    25. Re:More copy protection isn't the answer by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "I don't know about you, but I have cable and I pay something like $70 a month for TV (and it goes up all the time)."

      I pay about $35 or so. I'm curious if you're on digital cable or not.

      "Broadcast TV loses market share every year and TIVO is really going to kill it if left unregulated."

      Okay, I understand your point, but I don't agree with it. The main reason I disagree is that in order for commercial skip to work, people have to have already recorded the show. There is value in watching it as it comes down. If anything, Tivo gives broadcasters more room to experiment beacuse conflicting time-slots is a real pain in the ass. For example, now they have That 70's Show on at the same time as Enterprise. This sucks for me. Fortunately, Enterprise is on again on Sundays. Not every show is so lucky.

      Will the ad-skipping hurt? Actually I agree with you here, I think it could, but only if left unchanged. The main reason that people would want an ad skip feature is that advertising has been abused. I tried watching a movie on TV the other day and commercial breaks happened at critical parts, even messing up the flow of the movie. "Uh, how'd they get out of there?!"

      The solution here is simple: Make the ads more interesting. You know how news stations give you little teasers that provide no info whatsoever? Why not place ads in there where they actually give brief news stories? Remember the cartoon suggestion I made earlier? Why not hire a company to do 30-second cartoon spots? The idea here is to make the commercial time more rewarding. This works. When Nemesis came out, they had commercials showing brief clips of the movie plus some hints as to how it was made. I sat in front of ALL the commercial spots to get that info. With a TiVo, I would not have skipped it.

      I have one more idea, but this one is arguably weaker. Lure people to the website of the TV show and get advertisements there. I know that comment probably made you grit your teeth, but when American Idol had a marquee at the bottom saying "to see more horrible contestants, go to this url..." my ass was in front of my computer as soon as the next commercial break.

      So yes you're right, assuming the industry stays the way it is. Truth be told, though, they were heading that way with or without Tivo.

      "None of the viewers seem to care if the network makes money from ads..."

      I agree with you. However, the fault is their own. They've done a PITIFUL job of educating their audience. And since they haven't educated their customers, then attempts to make advertising more intrusive has resulted in people making $400 purchases in technologies like TiVo. It amazes me they haven't tapped into the demand to avoid commericals by releasing more DVDs of TV series.

      I owe you an apology. I made a rude assumption about what your response would be. I regret that now. I'm sorry man.

      Cheers.

    26. Re:More copy protection isn't the answer by zurab · · Score: 1

      Who Owns Your Digital Media?
      Obviously the artists who make it.


      I find it disturbing that you find this "obvious". I don't. The creators do own their works at the time they create it, until they decide to distribute it to public. Once the work is distributed in public, then everyone who received the said work or creation, owns it too!

      However, in most countries, there is this notion and law called copyright. This grants the original creator of the work to the monopoly over distribution of his/her work for a limited period of time. In other words, for such given period of time, public, who also owns the said work, does not have the right to reproduce and redistribute the work without the original creator's permission. This by no means implies that public does not own the work, just that the creator is given a limited monopoly over distribution.

      Big media corporations that want you to believe that they own everything you see and hear, and that they are lending and/or licensing some content to you, are, in most cases (especially recently), lying to you. In fact, that's what they want public to perceive, so then they can call people they don't like such names as pirates and thieves, and, as a result bribe Congress to enact more laws in their favor.

    27. Re:More copy protection isn't the answer by Corporate+Troll · · Score: 1
      These companies go out of business because they have nothing to offer on their websites that keeps people coming

      Actually, no... Hosting movies for download is very costily. Remember AdCritic ? Well, they used to be free! I loved it, but of course during the dot-com boom they went under. Now subscription is 70$ a year. Sorry, that's too much for me.
      Anybody know where I can download the Chanel N5 advertisement with the red-riding-hood and the wolves? I loved that one (and it even isn't funny)

    28. Re:More copy protection isn't the answer by koh · · Score: 1

      - If it's free on the website, what's the incentive for somebody to want to download it from your 256k connection?

      Which brings up the interesting question :

      Who will pay for the website's bandwidth ? It is costly you know, and I don't think ISPs will allow media producers to provide high-speed movie downloads without charging them big-time in the process. Then they're back to square one.

      In addition, considering how that new ubiquitous advertisment for drinking water (in EU) made me shut down my TV this whole week-end (yes, it was awfully noisy, boring, and broadcasted twice every 15 minutes on some channels), I think that _yes_, some ppl will still be willing to spend an additional day downloading content without ads. Count me in, btw.

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    29. Re:More copy protection isn't the answer by ThaReetLad · · Score: 1

      I think the solution to ad skipping is going to be more product placement advertising, or more precisely, the adverts will get longer, and have plots. If a company wants to advertise their stuff they'll have to either i) Find a program coming up which can use their stuff or ii) Get involved in the production of a program so that the story line can be altered to use their stuff. What you'll end up with is whole programs being written by a series of advertising execs, with a writer to glue them together, and all the comittee having a veto over how their product is used. Of course, the effect of this will be to make TV shit, which no one wants to watch. The evil alternative is some kind of encrypted TV stream that cannot be recorded except on a licenced bit of kit, which can disable ad skipping and is protected by DMCA. The final alternative I can imagine is that everything becomes pay per view, or in effect, to watch anything you download the DVD at a high price. The point is, someone has to pay for decent TV, and if it's not advertisers, its gonna be you.

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    30. Re:More copy protection isn't the answer by jdoeii · · Score: 1

      I believe there is a subtle flaw in your argument. I can see RIAA giving the following argument against you.

      You bought a CD, which is a piece of plastic. It can get scratched, broken, lost, stolen. You own that piece of plastic, not a recording it holds. When you buy other types of IP, like paper books, the physical medium has a natural life span. For example, a paperback is pretty much destroyed after 20 or 30 people read it. If CD can be copied, it becomes permanent. The cost of making a copy is negligeable.

      So, they could say you have to choose just one:

      1. You really own the physical CD with recording, but you own it completely, including all the problems associated with the physical medium.

      2. You own the license to use the recording itself, which is separate from the physical medium. But then you are subject to the terms of the license, whatever they are.

      To moderators: I know that this opinion is different from the opinion held by the majority. I am not trolling, just trying to have a discussion.

    31. Re:More copy protection isn't the answer by nickyj · · Score: 1

      Should I feel bad about using my VCR to record shows while I am out? NO! You have to remember, not everyone watches TV, and TV time takes time from something more valueable, your life!

      When I was a kid I used to watch at least 6 hours of TV everyday. Now I see the waste of it and watch at most 2 hours on weekdays, 4 on weekends (excluding movies). TV is buying your attention, what's your price?

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    32. Re:More copy protection isn't the answer by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 1
      Who Owns Your Digital Media?
      Obviously the artists who make it.


      Incorrect. That's the answer to "Who Owns Digital Content?".

      The media--literally, the medium(s) on which the content resides--belong to the person who bought it. Whether this is a shiny optical disk that you buy with the content pre-installed, or a pack of magnetic platters that you connect to your computers and later move the content onto, you own the media.

      Video media such as TV shows and movies would have built-in ads within them too.

      Considering that video editing software costs somewhere between 'free' and 'practically free' these days, those ads aren't going to stay in there for long.

      Some people already capture their favorite TV shows to MPEG, edit the commercials out, compress them, and distribute them to the world within a day of the episodes' original air date. The content owners allowing direct downloads from their site, even if it were a pay service (which it would almost certainly have to be to justify bandwidth and server expenses), would only serve to make the TV pirates' job much easier.

    33. Re:More copy protection isn't the answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some people already capture their favorite TV shows to MPEG, edit the commercials out, compress them, and distribute them to the world within a day of the episodes' original air date. The content owners allowing direct downloads from their site, even if it were a pay service (which it would almost certainly have to be to justify bandwidth and server expenses), would only serve to make the TV pirates' job much easier.

      Everything up until the word 'distribute' is completely legal under traditional copyright. Only recently have the large media corporations succeeded at convincing lawmakers that once they have sold you a copy of something they should still have the right to tell you what you can and cannot do with that copy.

    34. Re:More copy protection isn't the answer by God!+Awful+2 · · Score: 1


      I pay about $35 or so. I'm curious if you're on digital cable or not.

      Yeah, I'm on digital cable. My $70 includes basic cable & two extended packages (~60 channels) + movies and hockey. I'm also in Canada, which may skew the economics a bit.

      Your solution is to make TV ads more interesting, which might work in theory, but I think it is an unstable equilibrium. You require the ads to be sufficiently interesting that people will watch them, but not so interesting that people will seek them out elsewhere (ala AdCritic). The SuperBowl is an interesting exception, since so many people watch it for the ads (but every day can't be Superbowl Sunday)

      Keep in mind that major brands already try to make their ads as interesting as possible. Even so, advertising works by repetition so they have a vested interest in making you watch the ad more times than you care to. About half of TV advertising (by my estimate) is for local businesses who can't afford to spend $100k on an ad with a plot, so you lose half your revenue right off the bat.

      The other half of ads are mostly vignettes anyway, but say you want to give them a running plot line. This would necessitate changing the ads more frequently, which would increase the cost. One additional factor is that vignette-style ads aren't particularly effective at building brand awareness. The makers are already sacrificing effectiveness in order to lure you into watching the ad.

      You know how news stations give you little teasers that provide no info whatsoever? Why not place ads in there where they actually give brief news stories? The idea here is to make the commercial time more rewarding.

      There's plenty of that going on. Watch any talk show where they interview actors or discuss new products (e.g. the Today Show or the Tonight Show). You tune in for the entertainment, but the entertainment is always selling something.

      I have one more idea, but this one is arguably weaker. Lure people to the website of the TV show and get advertisements there.

      They do this, but I don't think it will have enough of an effect.

      So yes you're right, assuming the industry stays the way it is. Truth be told, though, they were heading that way with or without Tivo.

      I think they were heading there a lot slower without TIVO. But the fact is, advertising by itsself can't support 60 TV channels in every home. A lot of people were clamouring for more TV choice but they didn't realize that their bill would go up, even if they didn't subscribe to the new channels.

      the fault is their own. They've done a PITIFUL job of educating their audience. And since they haven't educated their customers, then attempts to make advertising more intrusive has resulted in people making $400 purchases in technologies like TiVo

      I don't think there's anything they could have done. You can shame people into doing something, but it only usually works when there is a personal connection. In the privacy of their own home, people are going to skip ads.

      I owe you an apology. I made a rude assumption about what your response would be. I regret that now. I'm sorry man.

      No problem. I try to keep things civil by simply ignoring flames.

      -a

    35. Re:More copy protection isn't the answer by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 1

      At this point, it's all speculative so my response would be a redundant rehash of points I've made.

      I just wanted to let you know you didn't waste your time writing all that. You may very well be right.

      Cheers.

  9. Unlikely... by SoSueMe · · Score: 4, Informative

    From the Reply Comment Submission Form

    Commenters should familiarize themselves with the Register's recommendation in the first rulemaking, since many of these issues which were unsettled at the start of that rulemaking have been addressed in the final decision.

    Like that's going to happen...

  10. Educating the Public by Acidic_Diarrhea · · Score: 5, Insightful
    "They are asking people to write in support of the four exemptions that they have proposed. The Copyright Office is only accepting comments until February 19th, so get on it!"
    I question whether this is the right approach. Is flooding the Copyright Office with the same requests really going to have any sway whatsoever? I mean, if the number of letters that come in support of or against the DMCA determines how the Copyright Office will make up their mind, then the battle is already lost since the corporations have the money and resources to fake millions of letters. And since I seriously doubt that they're doing this, wouldn't our time be better spent doing something a bit more proactive than sending letters? These days, no one in the government is even reading e-mail. I think organizing protests that get noticed on local news stations or, better yet, national news is a much more valuable use of time than having every send off an angry letter. It will lead to more public attention. I mean, we all know that the DMCA is awful because we understand the implications but the public at large still doesn't. We need a campaign to educate the public because I don't think the copyright office is going to side with a flock of nerds over multi-national corporations when the public doesn't even care about the issue. There's no reason for any government burecrat to stick their neck out over this until it means trouble for him or her if he doesn't stick his neck out.

    Just my $0.02

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    1. Re:Educating the Public by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could always just break the laws you disagree with, claiming that it is your right to act in a manner that serves you best under the religion you follow: Selfishness.

      It worked for the Rastafarians...

      Undermining society,
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    2. Re:Educating the Public by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Sheesh, we're talking about something that takes maybe ten minutes of effort here. I think people can handle this and talking with friends, organizing protests, etc. Heck, organizing their thoughts here might even make those other things easier later on. Imagine that!

      In 1998, the CTEA was passed completely unnoticed by the public. Now look how much mainstream press the Eldred case got. That's progress. Keep it up and Disney won't be able to buy its next extension in 2018 at any price.

      Frankly, your post is just lame rationalization for your doing nothing at all. I'm going to do my part, but in the end, people get the government they deserve.

    3. Re:Educating the Public by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is flooding the Copyright Office with the same requests really going to have any sway whatsoever?

      Yes, that would be silly!

      That would be like, lots of people wanting the same guy for president, and then they go and they vote for just one guy out of like two or three. How lame! If you want a new president, overthrow the government with a well-planned coup!

      What do people think this is? Some kind of representative-based democratic system where each "individual" has some sort of effect on the whole?

      Get real people! One dollar equals one vote! Start working hard like Bill Gates and maybe you'll have the capital to make a real difference!

  11. Two problems: by mbredden · · Score: 2, Insightful
    1) Television shows in syndication don't show the same exact set of commercials each time the show is rerun. This would be changing the way advertisers purchase ad-time from the networks, being that their advertisements would be a permanent part of the show being distributed for free via the corporate website/p2p.

    2) The content that makes its way for distribution on p2p networks, will, most likely have the advertising stripped out of it. Have you ever seen an episode of The Simpsons on a p2p network with the commercials intact?

    1. Re:Two problems: by Cyno01 · · Score: 2, Funny
      Have you ever seen an episode of The Simpsons on a p2p network with the commercials intact?
      Yes, yes i have. In fact some have the commercials ffwd through, you get the lines and everything plus the guy backing it up when he goes too far. The worst by far was one (CABF19 - Treehouse of Horror XII - 85,452KB) that was from a digital video camera pointed at a tv playing a tape of the episode.
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  12. Come and get me. by Stonent1 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I've got a blank CDR here. I'll keep it blank forever! It will be my only CD that no one but me has any rights to what-so-ever! Bwahahahah!

    As for the others, anyone want any War3z copies AOL 6.0, 7.0 and 8.0?

    1. Re:Come and get me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why in the name of GOD almighty would you offer to copy and distribute America Offline?

      No accounting for taste I suppose... Come and get me 3lit3 h@ckerz!!!

      Alex D.

  13. WAR IS PEACE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Freedom is Slavery
    Ignorance is Bliss

  14. Re:Who Owns Your Digital Media? by anubi · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I would certainly hope that all would consider that *I* own the media once I have legally *purchased* it. However, I do not consider that I own the work on the media. I see the media as only being a carrier for the work, much as I see a bag as a carrier for its contents. The way I see it, I have only purchased a copy of that work for my own benefit - whatever that is.

    I still strongly adhere to the concept that I have purchased a copy of the work, and strongly defend what I consider as my right to transfer that work amongst other media I may have. I do not consider replication of that work for distribution to others so that they do not need to purchase that work themselves to be my prerogative, although I would bend as far as running off a sample.. kinda like I would share a swig of my Stolichnaya, but would be quite miffed if once they got a sample, they expected me to be their free source of it.

    Personally, I think the content industry has went way too far though. I must know what it is that I am intending to buy because there is a lot of stuff out there that I have no interest in whatsoever. Walking into a record store and buying a CD, without knowing about it first, makes just about as much sense to me as walking in an auto parts store and buying a water pump, without knowing if the pump I am purchasing will fit the car under repair.

    Why is 137? Why exactly 137?

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  15. Exclude anything on Kazaa ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everyone knows that the people using Kazaa only host uncopyrighted material ;-)

    1. Re:Exclude anything on Kazaa ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Naturally. :)

      Sailing the seven seas of piracy,
      Alex D.

  16. Sorry folks, DeCSS is a criminals tool. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Most of you people who use it ought to be serving life sentences in prison for using it too since three felonies (3 counts of DMCA violation) is three strikes. You people are criminals and support such monsters as Sklyarov, Felten, Corely, etc. so don't except any support on this one. The DMCA is here to stay and much more restrictive legislation is on it's way so get used to it. There is nothing you can do about it. This is a socialist country which means that anything which increases the scope of the government is the norm. Quit being a criminal and learn to obey the law and report criminal monsters like copyright violators, illegal gun owners, drug users, libertarians, people who quote the constitution etc to the authorities. People who do the above are terrorists. If you don't believe that the government doesn't consider them to be terrorists then why did THIS happen if they don't consider it terrorism?

    1. Re:Sorry folks, DeCSS is a criminals tool. by PipianJ · · Score: 1

      Canada. Land of the not-close-to-free CD-Rs.

  17. that's swell and all, but some good stuff has been produced in the last 75 years.

    Do you mean you comsume public domain media exclusively, or is it part of a balanced diet?

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    1. Re:gee by Alien+Being · · Score: 1

      "but some good stuff has been produced in the last 75 years."

      Cool, in another 3964 or so years we'll be able to read it to our children without buying tokens for their DRM implants.

    2. Re:gee by SweetAndSourJesus · · Score: 1

      I'm sure that given that kind of time (or, really, just another few years), the *aa will have figured out a way to retain copyright in perpetuity throughout the universe.

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  18. too little too late by ldspartan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm tired of being reactive. All the letter writing in the world isn't going to make the DMCA any less of a bad law, so why try? Be proactive - vote for a congressman who doesn't support big business and its want to walk over the wants of the citizenry in the name of control. Write your congressman. Inform your neighbors that the officials they elected are rapidly signing away their rights.

    If we keep be reactive, the opposition will always be a step ahead of us, because they will continue to control congress and write the laws.

    1. Re:too little too late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not do both? Is there some finite amount of political awareness in the world that you're afraid of using up?

    2. Re:too little too late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Be proactive - vote for a congressman who doesn't support big business and its want to walk over the wants of the citizenry in the name of control.

      Moving out of state isn't really an option for me at the moment.

    3. Re:too little too late by inkswamp · · Score: 2, Insightful
      vote for a congressman who doesn't support big business and its want to walk over the wants of the citizenry in the name of control. Write your congressman. Inform your neighbors that the officials they elected are rapidly signing away their rights.

      Um... yeah, I've done all that. Your point?

      The problem is that there are virtually no congressmen left who won't support big business over personal rights. Most congressmen don't actually read your letters. Most people you try to inform don't know how this will hurt them in the long run and it's hard not to come off sounding like some Art Bell-like conspiracy theorist in explaining it.

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    4. Re:too little too late by titzandkunt · · Score: 1


      You can write to your congressman as much as you like but unless your letter includes a five-figure bribe^H^H^H^H^H "Campaign Contribution", it will be stored in the big round metal filing cabinet on the floor next to his/her secretary's desk.

      Money talks, and the RIAA's cash is shouting!

      T&K.

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    5. Re:too little too late by arubis · · Score: 3, Funny

      Gee, that sounds great! All we need to do is go out and vote for the politicians that favor the citizenry over corporate cash!

      So, uhh...

      Who are they again?

    6. Re:too little too late by evilviper · · Score: 1

      The problem with that is that most Democrats in this area aren't worth voting for... Here's to CA Democratic Govenor Davis, who stuck his head in the sand when the power companies raised prices exponentially, and drove the 5th largest economy in the world, hundreds of millions of dollars into debt.

      Sorry, as much as I hate the DMCA, there are many things that are FAR worse. I'd rather petition my officials asking for them to reject the DMCA, rather than voting for a complete moron who happens to go against the DMCA.

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    7. Re:too little too late by ldspartan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sure money's important, but to a politician money is only useful in order for them to vote, and to remain in power. Votes are their ultimate goal, and activism is the only way to make votes change. Sure it requires money, but you can start today. Talk to your best friend, and explain the situation.

      I doubt any citizen with a brain supports corporations, its just important to let them know what they're voting for.

    8. Re:too little too late by Lord+Bitman · · Score: 1

      Do you know of some hidden stash of it? It certainly seems to be running low.

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  19. What exactly is Digital Media? by civad · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I was trying to find out myself what could "Digital Media' mean: Here are some of the meanings of the term "Media" (Re: Dictionary.com)
    a. An ancient country of southwest Asia in present-day northwest Iran. b. A plural of medium. c. A means of mass communication, such as newpapers, magazines, radio, or television. d. The group of journalists and others who constitute the communications industry and profession. e. (Computer Science) An object or device, such as a disk, on which data is stored. f. A culture medium. g. A specific kind of artistic technique or means of expression as determined by the materials used or the creative methods involved: the medium of lithography.
    These and many more meanings of the term bring the following thoughts to my mind:
    Considering 'a' Digital Media could mean that the ancient country has been restored in a digital form. In that case, the 'owner' the digital media should be the person(s) who created it OR others.
    Conclusion (on ownership:)Depends.

    Considering 'b' plural of medium: I think the grammar of the language ownes it.
    Conclusion: MPAA/RIAA can go to hell.

    Considering 'c' means of mass communication,now here's where the picture begins to blur. Going purely by the dictionary meaning; media = means of mass communication; if I own a TV set, I should also own the media, right? In that case, the form of the media does not matter (digital or otherwise)
    Concluion: More research needed

    'd' is most interesting media= group of journalists. I wonder how the term 'digital media' could be interpreted in this case. A cyber-clone of Larry King???
    ***At this point, I have lost my ability to conclude. The very idea of a digital journalist has shocked me. Imagine being interviewed by a robot... :)

    'e' makes the most sense. Means of storage....However, if I go to say Best Buy and buy a pack of 50 CDs, then I own the 'digital media', right? Now the contents of MY digital media is a different story. I think nobody has the right to impose upon me what I should keep in my house/ car, etc. The same applies for digital media. (However that does not mean I have a right to steal others' stuff and keep it in my house/car, correct??)

    Considering 'f' culture medium: I wish I were a Biology major to comment on it. Any takers????

    Finally, 'media' means artistic expression.....so if the artist expresses something be it acting/ vocal/painting, etc...) then the artist is the owner of the 'media'...right? Then why should we even bother about the Music Labels/ Movie Studios? Arent they middlemen who are trying to milk both tte artist and their 'patrons/ audience?' Just a (more than a) few thoughts....

    1. Re:What exactly is Digital Media? by evilmrhenry · · Score: 1
      Considering 'f' culture medium: I wish I were a Biology major to comment on it. Any takers????
      I'm not a biology major, but I play one on TV.

      Obviously, if media refers to "A culture medium" then a digital medium would be used for growing fingers. As to who would own it: the actual medium would be owned by whoever bought it. The fingers would be owned by the person whose DNA was used, unless it was traded.

  20. Why not ALL? by Jafafa+Hots · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Why didn't they suggest ALL DVDS, seeing as we have the legal right already to space-shift media we have already purchased?

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  21. Two sides by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I own the media, but someone else owns the format. I cannot say I own both. Also I cannot be told what I can and cannot do with my *legally* owned media, -- regardless of the format.

  22. One more by jsse · · Score: 3, Insightful

    outlined four "classes of works" that should be exempt, including copy-protected CDs, region-coded DVDs, DVDs with unskippable promotional material, and public domain works that are only available on DVD.

    and materials adopting silly encryption that insults the intelligence of citizens.

    Otherwise, next time Adobe would publish ebook with ROL-26 encryption and sue those who merely look at it and don't pay up. (am I going to an extreme? that's just an example to inspire thoughts)

  23. Go EFF! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    At least as far as I've gotten which is the CD section (1/4 exemptions). The issue here is this: If I buy a CD with copy protection and it does not work in my cd player (for the purpose of playback) should I be allowed to modify that CD in a way to make it work without risking going to of breaking the law. We all know this can be as simple as using a black marker. In this CD case EFF's argument is that:
    * The labels don't tell people which cd's include copy protection.
    * A large number of stores won't take the CDs back (accept for an exchange of the exact same cd).
    * Many works are only available on CD as vinyl cassette and 8track have died (ok i added the 8track part).
    * CD copy protections measures will not ever be 100% fool proof (in providing copy protection AND in ensuring playback on devices that should be able to playback the material)
    * The problem is only going to get worse. As this problem occours on any device that is capable of reading multisessions disks. Your DVD Player, Game Console, MP3/CDPlayer, and PC are all affected.

    Remember this is specifically under fair use! That is the exemption would only be for modifications that allow playback of the material on a device that was not previously able to.

    I think this is common sense. Its certainly not far reaching. Consumers should have the right to buy products and use them for their intended purposes (and maybe not their intended purpose, but that out of the scope of this argument!). Most people 90% or more of america would be really pissed if they found out that cd companies were selling cd's that might not work in their equiptment - and that making a simple modifications to their equiptment or cd to make audio playback work could put them in serious trouble.

    If 90+% of the people in the US would support the EFF here, that means an open minded group like slashdot should be around 112% right? :) SO SHOW YOU CARE. Spam the copyright office with support for the EFF and make things happen.

    1. Re:Go EFF! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spam the copyright office with support for the EFF and make things happen.

      Right, because we all know how well spam makes us buy herbal viagra and recycled printer cartridges, no?

    2. Re:Go EFF! by PurpleBob · · Score: 1

      A large number of stores won't take the CDs back (accept for an exchange of the exact same cd).

      You probably mean "except".

      I'm only pointing this out because putting the wrong word there gave your sentence the opposite meaning - it implies that it would be satisfactory for stores to accept a returned CD and exchange it for a copy of the same CD, and that they don't even do that.

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  24. who owns your digital media? by MoFoYa · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I own my digital media.

    If I bought it, I should have the right and ability to use it as i see fit. If I want to load my new audio CD into my MP3 player and take it with me without having to lug around a player and CDs, I should be able to do that easily.

    The P2P problem is another issue alltogether. People have been sharing music and videos for decades, but now that we can do it online in such great numbers it's starting to hurt(so they say). This battle should not be fought by changing the media. Besides, I can still make an MP3 or Mpeg from a CD/DVD with copy protection --- Analog Inputs. This method just makes it a much longer and difficult process to manipulate MY media.

    Question - Why have we not heard so much as a buzz from software companies? Software is shared via kazaa(and others) in the same way music and video is.

  25. Even the unskippable FBI warning is atrocious by semios · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Here's the comment I made to the EFF:

    I find the fact that the FBI warning isn't skippable on my DVDs disturbing. A message pops up on my television from my DVD player that my DVD is disallowing me from jumping to the main menu. My DVD player is *disallowing* me to fast forward. No where else do we suffer being controlled by our own devices. Imagine if CD players imposed such bizarre rules such as forcing you to listen to something as obnoxious as the this before you could play the disc, "The following music you are about to listen to is copyrighted material. Any unauthorized copying of this material is a felony offense."

    1. Re:Even the unskippable FBI warning is atrocious by Mitreya · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I could not agree more... Fortunately, I have not seen a DVD that has courage to *notify* me that it is disallowing me to skip the FBI warning (I would return such a DVD player, why didn't you?) But my software DVD player does have forward buttons disabled on such warnings and I can't very well return the software player.

      What I find even more distirbing (and I have commented about it) is how hypocritical and pointless such tactic is. It is unlikely that people who illegaly copy a movie from DVD will include the FBI warning when copying. Even if they do, the pirated version uses some mpeg player and will be able to skip anything. Yet I, a *legal* owner of the DVD, have no way of skipping the warning aimed at people who don't see that warning. What do they expect, that I will recite it to people that use P2P??

    2. Re:Even the unskippable FBI warning is atrocious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      It is unlikely that people who illegaly copy a movie from DVD will include the FBI warning when copying.

      Actually, they usually do copy the whole thing, warnings and all. I just watched a Chinese DVD of "Die Another Day", with the FBI warning and every 10 minutes a subtitle saying this was "property of MGM for (Academy) award consideration only". [Actually, it was barely worth the 75 cents it cost, don't look for any acting or writing nominations for this movie.]

    3. Re:Even the unskippable FBI warning is atrocious by Loosewire · · Score: 1

      Imagine if CD players imposed such bizarre rules such as forcing you to listen to something as obnoxious as the this before you could play the disc, "The following music you are about to listen to is copyrighted material. Any unauthorized copying of this material is a felony offense." dont give them ideas :-s

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    4. Re:Even the unskippable FBI warning is atrocious by Inda · · Score: 1

      Yes, DVD-Screeners do normally have all the warning intact. DVD-RIPs that come out a couple of months later tend not to have any warnings on though.

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    5. Re:Even the unskippable FBI warning is atrocious by Sam+Nitzberg · · Score: 1

      "The following music you are about to listen to is copyrighted material. Any unauthorized copying of this material is a felony offense."

      No, No, No !

      This would have to be called the special value-added "FBI Bonus Track" ;-)

      Sam

  26. Typo? by Vainglorious+Coward · · Score: 1

    Adobe would publish ebook with ROL-26 encryption

    Surely you meant ROFL-26?

    Re: your sig. I personally don't see it as an improvement either, but I do note that one can't now see the numbers of moderations, and sometimes that tells a story in itself...*cough* post of doom *cough*

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  27. I have some better questions.... by the_mad_poster · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...who is your representative in Washington? How do you contact them? Do you know what their position is on the issue? Have you (intelligently) made them aware of your position on the issue? Do you still buy Digital Media? Are you just bitching because you want to be one of the people who steals it?

    I think a lot of people need to stop talking and start doing something. This issue pops up on /. what... every 20 or 30 minutes? What good is it going to do you to keep voicing your opinion here? You're just preaching to a choir of people who are preaching to the choir.

    If you're so absolutely lazy that you can't be bothered to write up a logical, intelligent e-mail, join EFF and at least use their default e-mails to mail your reps and let them know that corporate ownership of your life is NOT acceptable and you WILL help "throw the bums out" if they don't do something about it.

    I'm sure a lot of people here do take action against the crooks in Hollywood, but I also guarantee it's not enough....

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    1. Re:I have some better questions.... by Kanasta · · Score: 1

      Problem with representatives is that if there stupid they're more likely to listen to the corporations than some individual. If they're smart then they will know that they can just send you a form letter and continue taking campaign contributions, conscience clear because they can rationalize that when they lose their competitor would take the contributions anyway.

  28. I never said not to write a letter by Acidic_Diarrhea · · Score: 1
    "Thanks for the flame
    /me checks score of post.
    Looks like it's not a flame son. I'll ignore the fact that you called me a "dick-head." My intention was not to say not to write a letter but question the effectiveness of such a policy. The Copyright Office is a political body and just like any other, responds most to public opinion delivered through news sources. I hate to break the news to you since you are obviously so naive, but letters written to Congressmen and your President and pretty much any national government official have very little impact. I was not using the term "flock of nerds" as an insult. I was merely suggesting that the majority of people who aren't technical and don't read Slashdot have no understanding of this issue and it should be more of a priority to get them up to speed than worry about getting the Copyright Office on board because...(and here's where you need to follow closely)...the Copyright Office isn't going to respond until there's significant public pressure and letters don't show public pressure; news stories on national outlets provide pressure. You really did read most of what I said incorrectly and that's why I am a little annoyed that you decided to flame me. It's rather childish of you but, I'll forget it. Thanks for the flame! :D
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  29. Who owns my Digital Media? by Metallic+Matty · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well, perhaps this is over simplifying, but since I bought this DVD & this CD; are they not mine?

  30. gutenburg by SHEENmaster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I doubt any copywritten work of literature can be as good as 1984.

    The problem with the DMCA isn't that copyrights are evil and that we should boycott them. The problem is that it protects works on too many fronts. Traditionally you either protect it technologically (touch my book and die, bitch!) or legally (through copyright). If you use the former, anyone who breaks the lock can copy the book and the latter it must become public domain in given time.

    What's happening is that companies have enough influence to get both technological and legal protection that will never go away. Better than that, their technological protection has legal protection of its own.

    Those of us that don't want to pay $15-$25 for a crappy CD won't habe $15,000-$25,000 to bribe congress.

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    1. Re:gutenburg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is the penalty for a legislator who accepts bribes?

      What should be the penalty for a legislator who accepts bribes?

      If the answers are not the same, why not and what can be done about it?

    2. Re:gutenburg by alsta · · Score: 1

      AFAIK, no congressmen accept bribes. That would be a felony.

      I think bribery for a public servant should be severely punished. And I believe it is. At the very least, expulsion from public office should be result.

      Some people confuse bribery with contributions. It is widely believed that congressmen receive contributions based on work they do for a contributor. It is not illegal to accept contributions and it isn't illegal to listen to constituents. I wouldn't know if a contribution would have an amplifying effect on the constituent's voice, but if one were to humor the idea and assume that this was the case, it could certainly seem as if a bill in congress was conscieved in return for the contribution.

      Interestingly, the new campaign finance laws which bar "soft money" in excess of certain amounts are under heavy fire. The preconscieved notion is that contributions fall under freedom of speech and that the campaign finance laws are curtailing those rights. Considering that only very wealthy people and corporations can afford large contributions, some people tend to argue "freedom of speech for Who?"

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    3. Re:gutenburg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      copywritten
      The word you were so feebly grasping for there is "copyrighted".
  31. You missed the point; you're probably dumb by Acidic_Diarrhea · · Score: 1
    "lame rationalization for your doing nothing at all"
    I believe I was suggesting more involvement than simple letter writing, as you noted in your first paragraph. I was trying, although you missed it apparently, to explain that if people want to get this changed something far more proactive than simple letter writing has to be done. It is because of the lack of public understanding of the issue that we need to do something other than write letters. You cite the CTEA as evidence of the public getting wind of something. How does the public become alerted to the DMCA by writing letters to the Copyright Office? That's what I thought.

    Frankly, you're just an AC that can't actually read for understanding.

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    1. Re:You missed the point; you're probably dumb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The problem is that the same people who say what you've said usually just turn around and bash the next course of action someone suggests:
      "Challenging the DMCA in court will never work, we need Congress to repeal it!"
      "Congress will never listen to us, so vote them out."
      "Voting is useless because both parties suck and third parties never win."
      "Boycotting the media industry is hopeless; they'll just blame the loss on piracy."
      "Civil disobedience won't work, they'll just use that as an excuse to pass even more stupid laws."

      It's all a bunch of defeatist crap that gets us nowhere. Forget choosing. Do all of the above! Or as many as you can. No one says you have to pick one tactic and cling to it forever. Nor does it have to take an inordinate amount of time. I wrote and submitted my comments in the time it took you to reply to my first message.

      How does the public become alerted to the DMCA by writing letters to the Copyright Office?

      Here's one scenario:

      1. /. user submits his comments to the Copyright Office
      2. /. user realizes, "Hey, these examples are really easy for Joe Sixpack to understand! A lot of non-techie people I know have probably experienced at least one of these four."
      3. /. user forwards the handy link to Joe Sixpack.
      4. Joe Sixpack, who has never heard of any of this before, thinks, "So that's why I can't fast forward my @%&*@! Disney DVD for my kids!"
      5. Joe Sixpack adds his comments to the chorus.
      6. Joe Sixpack is now at least slightly more aware of the issue. He may even be sympathetic to the next link you forward him.

      No it won't save the world by itself, but it's something.

  32. Get the format right by octalgirl · · Score: 4, Informative

    This format of class/summary/facts and/or legal argument should be repeated for each reply to a particular class of work proposed.

    You'll notice that only 50 comments made it in on the first round. Now you're supposed to comment on the accepted comments. Format is everthing. When they say number the class, they mean it. Start the paragraph with a 1. class, 2. class, etc.(although I notice they are not asking for a number this time?)
    --Provide a fact, a legal argument, or something from the news, or incident that happened.
    --A summary means your paragraph must start with "In summary" or identify the paragraph as a summary paragraph.
    --Don't forget to include your name on the attachment.
    This time they are also adding "whether in opposition, support, amplification or correction", so state it.
    Missing just one of these steps will get your comment rejected.
    (Mine was rejected, but after correction (I added the words 'In summary') they were accepted. We still don't know how many were actually submitted the first round.

  33. R u sure? by dark-br · · Score: 1

    Public domain music must be played and recorded by not so public domain artists and recording companies. It the same for the films. Maybe the Gutenberg stuff u can have freely.

  34. DVD purchase vs. rental by mat+catastrophe · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In the days of VHS, there was a difference between tapes that you rented and tapes that you bought, as I recall. If you went out to the video shop and rented some movies, then you would likely sit through three to five "upcoming features" trailers (as time went on, they were advertising things other than films as well) before the "Feature Presentation" was to begin.

    And, that to me is fine. After all, it's a rental and they do have the "right" to attempt to get my attention about upcoming films, right? Sure, that's no biggie. But, those ads were never present on VHS tapes that were purchased (naturally, we're not talking "Previously viewed" purchases from that same video store).

    And that's also the way it should be. After all, this isn't a tape/DVD that you'll be watching once or twice this weekend and taking back. You'll be watching this thing maybe once a month for the next ten years, and losing lots of time watching the crummy previews (likely for movies that you also bought later on). That's just unacceptable.

    Skippable or not, ads at the *front* of a DVD are an affront to the purchasing public. Sure, put those ads in, but do it in the same manner you might put in the bonus features, in a menu option. Why is this so hard for the movie moguls to do?

    But, more importantly, why is this sort of bad behavior on the part of Hollywood less vilified by the public?

    I'll stop here, before I digress....

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    1. Re:DVD purchase vs. rental by freeweed · · Score: 1

      Odd that you should mention this.. one thing I've pleasantly noticed as I move from VHS to DVD is the complete lack (so far) of trailers and ads on DVDs. Sometimes there's the annoying FBI warnings (ironic considering that I live in Canada), but that's it so far.

      VHS tapes typically had a lot of trailers in them, even purchased from say, Wal-Mart (ie: not previously viewed). It was always fun to watch one from 5-10 years ago and see "coming soon" for movies that were long since history :) I understand Disney DVDs have a lot of trailers in them - thankfully I'll never buy anything with the word 'Disney' on it, for both ethical and taste reasons.

      Another very nice thing with DVDs is, sure, they cost $20+, but you get an awful lot of bonus material with them - not just the same movie you already paid $10 to see in the theatre. The Spider-man DVD alone was several hours of extra stuff. All good in my books. Too bad more releases aren't done this way.

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    2. Re:DVD purchase vs. rental by aquarian · · Score: 1

      And that's also the way it should be. After all, this isn't a tape/DVD that you'll be watching once or twice this weekend and taking back. You'll be watching this thing maybe once a month for the next ten years, and losing lots of time watching the crummy previews (likely for movies that you also bought later on). That's just unacceptable.

      Skippable or not, ads at the *front* of a DVD are an affront to the purchasing public. Sure, put those ads in, but do it in the same manner you might put in the bonus features, in a menu option. Why is this so hard for the movie moguls to do?


      Because "moguls" usually don't have anything to do with how DVDs are put together or marketed. It's usually done by subsidiaries or contractors, who are usually boneheaded scum -- not exactly Ivy League marketing MBAs, or MIT MediaLab veterans. Before they got into big time Hollywood DVD distribution, they were probably creating popups for porn websites.

  35. Buyer Owns Analog Media by handy_vandal · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The buyer owns the analog media. When I buy a book, I own the book itself. What I don't own is the content: I am prohibited from reprinting what's in the book.

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    -kgj
    1. Re:Buyer Owns Analog Media by Pofy · · Score: 1

      >What I don't own is the content: I am prohibited
      >from reprinting what's in the book.

      No, you hold (or own, if that is the correct english word) the COPYRIGHT to the content. That does not mean you don't own the content of that particular copy. I think that is an important difference.

      Copyright is not primarily about telling who owns something, but rather to give the copyright holder some exclusiv (with exceptions) right to the content. Those exlcusive rights only cover a few things like publishing, copying and distribution. Most other things it does not cover at all and thus does not prevent. If you simply claim "you don't own the content", that sugest you can't do ANYTHING with it and that what is normal for ownership of items would also aply which it doesn't.

    2. Re:Buyer Owns Analog Media by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no, you may make as many copy's as you want
      you can't sell them though

  36. That won't work at all by Razzak · · Score: 1

    Do you think 1 ad impression for 50-700MB's of data is going to offset the money they make from selling it and implementing copy protection?

    1 Free Stuff!
    2 ..
    3 PROFIT!!!

  37. Re:Protests by CrazyDuke · · Score: 1

    I can see it now:

    "Please follow the uniformed police officer to the designated 'Free Speech Zone' behind the building marked 'Garbage Dumpster.' All protesters are advised to leave before Tuesday morning so that waste management may complete their assigned duties. God Bless America!"

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  38. Parent post is SATIRE, but LINK is not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    mod it up simply for that fact. i think people need to see that.

    1. Re:Parent post is SATIRE, but LINK is not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It HAS to be: Just check the magazine cover on top right, "Loudoun [low-down?] A great place to grow up" and there's a picture of kid's showing their asses to the camera... :)

  39. Write in favor of the other comments too! by Cerlyn · · Score: 4, Informative

    As another proposal submitter from the first round, I would like to point out that there are a variety of proposals put forth by commenters on the table. If you find that you are more comfortable supporting a proposal other than the EFF's, more than one proposal, or a combination of several people's proposals, you may freely comment about as few or as many proposals as you choose. If you disagree with a proposal, and wish to have it modified to make it acceptable to you, you may comment about what changes you feel need to be made as well.

    To state the obvious: DO NOT COMMENT BLINDLY WITHOUT READING THE RULES. Before I wrote my proposal of possible exclusions, I spent several days simply doing research on what was accepted/not accepted during the previous cycle. I also read the details of what was wanted during the current comment request, and the results of the prior comment period. Doing so greatly helped me tailor my arguments to better address what was being looked for.

    Another issue you should note: THE COPYRIGHT OFFICE WANTS TO SEE REAL EVIDENCE THAT NEAR-TERM HARM WILL OCCUR UNLESS AN EXCLUSION IS GRANTED. Contrary to what many slashdotters' think, the copyright office is being very good as to telling us what they want. If you comment during this reply period, *please* provide real-world examples as to why an exclusion should be granted/not granted/granted in modified form/etc. Simply stating "if this is not granted, I will not be able to enjoy my l33t p0rn" likely will not sway anyone to your cause.

    Finally, BE SURE TO CITE ALL SOURCES YOU USE SO EVERYONE CAN CONFIRM THE HARM YOU DESCRIBE IS REAL. By doing so, you prove you did your homework, that you read previous commenters' work, and your comment *will* stand out as being from an intelligent person. Try to get reliable sources that have not been used before; simply repeating previously used evidence will not get you very far.

    1. Re:Write in favor of the other comments too! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      THE COPYRIGHT OFFICE WANTS TO SEE REAL EVIDENCE THAT NEAR-TERM HARM WILL OCCUR...

      I cut myself on a "do not copy" warning label from my CD. Does that count?

      Also let me take the time to mention that using too many caps is like yelling.

  40. Microsoft patents ones and zeros by Anonymous+Coward++1 · · Score: 2, Funny

    With all the copying going on, in this day of digital information wanting to be free, who is to say what's right or wrong? Digital information wants to be anthropomorphized, indeed.

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  41. Leesburg Raid by handy_vandal · · Score: 1


    Federal Agents Raid Leesburg Home

    "Some neighbors reported being told by agents that the investigation involved a copyright issue."

    But if the agents really are jack-booted thugs, do we take them at their word? (Assuming the neighbors got it right in the first place.)

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    -kgj
  42. MOD THIS UP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    g0aTSE.cX is k0oL!!!

  43. Spam? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    D00d I don't pay any damn attention to spam, why would they??? wtf.

  44. Re:DRM this, RIAA that by commodoresloat · · Score: 0, Troll
    Is anyone else bored to death of story after story on slashdot about how horribly painful it is to buy DVDs and CDs, how horribly evil DRM and RIAA and MPAA are, how incredibly cool P2P is, ad nauseam et infinitum?

    If you want a copy of a song or movie, go buy the damn media and quit bitching.

    Is anyone else bored to death of troll after troll on slashdot about how horribly painful it is to steal copyrighted music, how horribly evil pirates are, and how p2p serves no other purpose but theft, ad nauseum et infinitum?

    If you want to hear about something else, go listen to a song or watch a movie and quit bitching.

  45. meeting half way? by jdkane · · Score: 2, Insightful
    They are asking people to write in support of the four exemptions that they have proposed.

    Exemptions are good. However by supporting the four exemptions, are we also supporting the fact that other items are not exempt? I admit the proposed four exemptions are very broad in scope so to have them all pass would be good.

    The situation sort of has the feeling of being stuck between a rock and a hard place. Remotely. But it's still there.

  46. 'defecive' disks ... 20 ywears ago it was VHS by TomDLux · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In the mid 80's I worked in a video duplication agency .. a place studios came to to get 20,000 copies of 'Kansas City' or Alien, 300 copis of the tape showing an interesting dental surgery to send out to subscribing dentists, etc.

    I those days, many people put garbage in the 'vertical sync' signal, which wouldn't affect the display of the movie, but would produce garbage if you tried to dub the movie on your boring home VCR.

    I have no idea who won that war, since I could never figure out why people would want to use up a $5 cassette on a movie they could rent for that price .... Who would want to watch any movie more than two or three times at most, more often, ,once is enough.

    So the studios put garbage in the table of contents section of the disk, users come up with ways to decode it anyway. Studios demonstrate their total deddication to profits, fans display their insatiable need to listen to music .... Hmm, is this picture looking strange? Do studios figure out how to supply a craving for music, or do studios go out of business?

    TomDLux

    1. Re:'defecive' disks ... 20 ywears ago it was VHS by shepd · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yes, it was Macrovision, and was added to help ensure the movie companies could keep their monopolistic grip on the video rental companies. Back then the price of buying a movie was in the $150 - $200 range. Without macrovision, since nobody in their right mind would pay that price for a movie, they were being pirated left right and center.

      So, add macrovision in, and the cost of pirating the movies goes up the price of a Time Base Corrector. No more casual piracy (not that it was all that casual as VCRs cost $500 at that point).

      So, what's the result? Pirate movies become more valuable, prices go up, and once the pirates have covered the cost of the Time Base Corrector (perhaps $5,000 back then? I don't know) they're raking it in.

      Eventually movie companies realised that the tighter their grip, the more piracy, and the more money pirates would make. Huh? I'm sure you're saying. Pirates don't follow the rules (obviously), so why the hell should they care how much it angers the MPAA when their stuff is pirated? It's like the Black Sunday ECM DirecTV sent down a couple of years ago somewhat earlier to this time... It only served to make sure professional pirates got another boatload of loot getting people back up and running. I know for certain it never stemmed the tide of piracy. If anything, the advertising that the DirecTV signal was infact piratable drove users _away_ from paying for it!

      So, they got a clue (the MPAA, certainly NOT DirecTV), figured out what it really costs to dupe a movie, and simply lowered prices to a point where they made money, and made piracy a waste of money.

      Of course, just like DMCA of today will likely hang over the head of Americans as a reminder of the bad old days, Macrovision is still with us as nothing more than an anachronism that costs about $20 to defeat. Not that it's really worth even that much to bother.

      Any of that sound like a certain other group of people?

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    2. Re:'defecive' disks ... 20 ywears ago it was VHS by Cutriss · · Score: 1

      You're way off base. Rental videos *still* cost in the area of $150. I know this because my uncle purchased the rental-license copy of the South Park movie since it wasn't hitting stores anytime soon.

      The DirecTV ECM signal didn't cost DTV any money (other than the R&D involved in the operation). It didn't kill off any existing, PAYING users, or even "advertise" the fact that pirates were getting cut off. The embedded message was only triggered on hacked cards, and regular users saw absolutely nothing out of the ordinary. It inconvenienced the pirates in a big way - That was the point, wasn't it? Sure, it may not have been effective long-term, but it certainly put out a lot of moochers, right? And quite a few of those people probably went and screamed at their sources, who had to fork over a good bit of cash for new H-cards (since the old ones were now looped) and figure out work-arounds.

      I fail to see where you're going with this. You seem to claim that copy-protection hurts nobody but the regular consumers, which is a claim I'd normally agree with. However, the examples you're citing certainly don't lend much weight to your point.

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    3. Re:'defecive' disks ... 20 ywears ago it was VHS by shepd · · Score: 1

      >You're way off base. Rental videos *still* cost in the area of $150.

      Show me where I said they got cheaper for rental companies... ;-)

      The movie companies simply reworked their agreements, but the macrovision was there originally so people wouldn't copy the rental videos -- when the only price is the rental price (as it was back in the day) then you've got to protect your stuff. Either that or get a clue and start selling at a price people will pay. Sure, it was clear rental companies would pay $150 for a copy, as they'd been doing it for a while, but considering the pathetic number of videos selling for $150 to joe sixpack, video prices for them were lowered to a point the market would bear, which is exactly the solution for RIAA members today.

      >It didn't kill off any existing, PAYING users, or even "advertise" the fact that pirates were getting cut off.

      It really seems like you're assuming people who watch DirecTV don't read newspapers (I hope I'm wrong).

      Here's an article which has links to (now defunct) Associated Press (ie: Every decent newspaper in North America) and MSNBC articles. Sounds to me like it was a bit of an unintentional advertisement of the fact that the DirecTV system was easy to pirate...

      >It inconvenienced the pirates in a big way - That was the point, wasn't it? Sure, it may not have been effective long-term, but it certainly put out a lot of moochers, right? And quite a few of those people probably went and screamed at their sources, who had to fork over a good bit of cash for new H-cards (since the old ones were now looped) and figure out work-arounds.

      Uhhuh, so, let's say the dealer says "Fuck you" to users that bitch and moan about broken cards. What's the user to do? Phone the police? Put in a report to the BBB? Why not just make the cops job easier and just put the cuffs on before you go in.

      Dealers make money when DirecTV ECMs. The bigger the ECM, the more the fix is worth. The more rare the fix, the higher the value of the fix. Add those together and you get one hell of an artificial rise in hacking prices. And if one doesn't want to fork your cash over to DirecTV for those porns that one watches in private, then what's your choice?

      And because the higher price is artificially inflated, the extra cost (which can be as high as 10x original price) is pure profit.

      >I fail to see where you're going with this. You seem to claim that copy-protection hurts nobody but the regular consumers, which is a claim I'd normally agree with. However, the examples you're citing certainly don't lend much weight to your point.

      Here's where I'm going: Dealers make money when their pirating users get ECMed. In the case of Black Sunday, more money than I could make in a year.

      If there were no ECMs, and we assume most pirating end-users are too stupid to load the hacks onto their cards, then the dealers sell their stuff once, and that's it. How are they going to make their money? There's no reason for the users to pay the dealer anything if their stuff is working 100%

      Anyways, HU cards have a self-destruct bit in them that turns off the ASIC permanently (impossible to repair -- it's a physical fuse, and you can't "skip" over a bad ASIC). Why don't they destroy hacked cards, esepcially considering most the of HUs have been swapped out? Unlike Black Sunday, this isn't difficult. It's just a simple command.

      I'd say it's because they learned just a very little from Black Sunday. But not enough, unfortuantely.

      To put it simple, increasing your copyright control simply pushes the piracy from the hands of people at the bottom of the chain up to the top of the chain. And the higher it gets, the harder it is to control. And I doubt that's anything like what companies that implement copyright control mechanisms had in mind.

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  47. Re:who owns your digital media? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most software companies aren't part of media conglomerates, so they can't whine so loud and far in the real world.

  48. uh.... by feed_me_cereal · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Who Owns Your Digital Media?
    Obviously the artists who make it


    That's funny, I seem to remember them, of their own free will, selling me a copy of their work and then taking my money.

    You're talking about intellectual property rights, not fair use rights. Big difference

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    "Question with boldness even the existence of a god." - Thomas Jefferson
  49. "Write in support"--but carefully! by EnlightenmentFan · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Be very aware that your input may be tossed on the garbage heap if they decide it's a form letter and not "original." That's what happened to hundreds of thousands of anti-snowmobile comments, according to this New York times story, by Katharine Seelye. Registration (free) is required, so let me just quote for you the relevant bit:
    "... the [Clinton-era] Forest Service actually relied on public comment when it developed its "roadless rule," intended to protect 58 million acres of undeveloped national forest from most commercial logging and road building. It drew 1.6 million comments, the most ever in the history of federal rule-making. Almost all the comments -- 95 percent -- supported the protections but wanted the plan to go even further, which it eventually did.

    But the Bush administration delayed putting the rule into effect and sought more comments, receiving 726,000. Of those, it said that only 52,000, or 7 percent, were "original," meaning that the administration discounted 93 percent of the comments. The rule is now being challenged in court."

    There's a very, very big irony here. The Bush team just got caught with their pants down by bloggers and others including Mike Magee at the Inquirer. It turns out they were sending out massive fake form emails to papers around the country, and bribing folks to sign their own names to them with "GOPoints" they could trade for prizes.

    That story is now crossing over to the mainstream press with articles in Monday's New York Times. and (more intelligently) Paul Boutin's Slate article.

    Another big irony: this story has been riding Blogdex for a week--a long techno-duel of marketing droids versus nerds armed mainly with Google. And the nerds won! Probably the only place you couldn't follow the action was here on Slashdot, the story was rejected three times. So the Superbowl is a better example of news that matters?

    Inquirer article with screenshots of prizes you get for spamming your local paper.

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    1. Re:"Write in support"--but carefully! by Renraku · · Score: 1

      This is not a troll post. Save your points for a goatse link or 'Uncle Kike' post. Whoever runs the story submission review department must have something against conspiracy theories. However, they also must be obsessive/compulsive. We often get the same story several times, but even more often do hundreds submit the same story, all of whom are rejected.

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    2. Re:"Write in support"--but carefully! by McBeth · · Score: 1

      Off topic, but FYI...
      Prior the Clinton era, the Forest Service was largely independant of the presidential changes. The head of the Forest Service (I'm not talking about the Secretary of Agriculture) was a person who had fought his way up through the ranks and awarded the top post on merit. There was a large stink inside the USFS when Clinton decided to appoint his own head. Bush Jr. has continued the now tradition with his own appointee.

  50. Re:This FP for Stef by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When you're a kid and you wanna go, "Weee!" But you ain't got drugs yet.

    You hold on to your life.

    Hold on to your little gonads... and strife.

  51. /.ed by slifox · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Support by making a link to eff.org on slashdot!

    Show them you care by setting their webservers aflame!

  52. This is just a big trick by Uttles · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Everything we write in to support will be the first thing they take more control of.

    --

    ~ now you know
  53. Really Enjoyed the section on unskippable adverts by Crashmarik · · Score: 1

    Loved it they might as well just said we would like this exemption because jackasses have enough power in the world.

    It also begs the question. Is the DMCA supposed to protect the nature of copyright as it was used before the digital revolution, or is it meant to grant extraodinary new powers to media conglomerates.

    Ahh well The more things change the more they stay the same

  54. and that is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    why you're a boring fucktard outcast...

  55. No Subject by ak3ldama · · Score: 1

    in my opinion ... i own my digital media i paid for it, so i have the right to do with it what i want

    --
    "but money is the God of Algiers & Mahomet their prophet." - Rich. O'Bryen June 8th 1786
  56. O.T. Bad News. by DoraLives · · Score: 1

    Those of us that don't want to pay $15-$25 for a crappy CD won't habe $15,000-$25,000 to bribe congress.

    I got bad news for ya, pal. You ain't bribing NOBODY in congress with a piddly fifteen to twenty-five grand.

    Gonna have to come up with some real money if you expect to get anything done in Washington.

    --
    Is it fascism yet?
    1. Re:O.T. Bad News. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The whores are cheaper than you think.

  57. a simple answer by johnny_4_president · · Score: 1

    issues of fair use vs. piracy are cloudy at this point, because copyright law has yet to catch up with technology. all sides of the issue are staking out extreme positions, we're watching a power vacuum being filled by way of feeding frenzy. what's needed is a new approach to copyright laws, to take account of our new technology. our new approach to copyrights should make media ownership less complicated, more intuitive. people shouldn't have to wonder if they're breaking the law by transferring their purchased commodity from media x to y. how about this: when you purchase a copyrighted work, you also purchase the right to make as many copies of it, and transfer it to as many systems, as you desire. the one caveat is that you're not allowed to make money off of these copies, without express permission from the copyright holder. feel free to share, but don't try to make bread from the sweat of another's brow. this approach renders questions of ownership and fair use simplistic, for example: can i rip my cd to mp3? -> yes. can i watch my dvd on linux? -> yes. backup copies? -> yes. p2p sharing? -> yes. can i copy a cd for my mom? -> yes. can i sell a copy to a stranger? -> no. charge for access to my ftp of dl's? -> no. can i sell divx versions of dvd's? -> no. this is a rule of thumb a six-year-old could understand. copyright law is ours to determine. there's nothing set in stone about it. we should update the law to reflect technological changes, instead of letting it be fought out in a million seperate law suits. "let us raise a standard to which the wise and the honest can repair. the event is in the hand of God. " - GW

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    disponibile
  58. Re:no, write the letter. by baba · · Score: 1

    Flame? Dick-head? Methinks you got a bit too upset about this. You could perhaps be a bit more polite yourself if you want the high ground. Letters and protests are both good, and I personally think the original post was far more persuasive in tone than yours.

  59. handicapped access by MikeFM · · Score: 4, Interesting

    One of my biggest complaints with it being illegal to copy my own music and movies is that it makes it hard to make these things accessable to my handicapped sister. While she enjoys these things she is unable to handle discs, tapes, etc. She can't always have somebody there to manage these items for her and even if she could it takes away from her freedom and privacy.

    I've ripped hundreds of gigs of these items to the computer and have been developing an interface she can use to access these items. My understanding is that this is a criminal act because it involves breaking CSS and various other stupid technologies. This software could help others but it's probably illegal to share.

    Somehow I worry more about my little sister then I do as to if rich media companies manage to squeeze an extra penny out here and there.

    --
    At what price learning? At what cost wisdom? The price is a man's peace of mind, and the cost is his life.
  60. All your digital media... by xactoguy · · Score: 1

    are belong to us! ;) Seriously though... I think that what we buy should belong to us. It's ours, and we should do whatever we want to do with it as long as it doesn't infringe on other's rights. ( Such as making a copy for a friend... that is infringing on the artist's rights because now we are technically stealing ). I doubt it's going to happen without the downfall or a radical change in the **AA, though.

    --


    And so we go, on with our lives
    We know the truth, but prefer lies
    Lies are simple, simple is bliss
  61. Letter writting campaign changed organic standards by Beebos · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A couple of years ago a campaign to complain about proposed organic standards that favored the big agribusinesses was successful in forcing the FDA to make a complete reversal and impose standards that favored the consumer. A few hundred thousand complaints were made by e-mail and snail mail. It was considered one of the largest responses to a call for public comment in US history.

    So yes, a similar campaign may work in this case.

    Write the letters. Send your e-mails. Getting the issue before the media would help, too!
    -

  62. Join the EFF you have no... by PotatoHead · · Score: 2, Insightful

    excuse really.

    I see UIDs' in the high 6 digits now on a regular basis. Just for arguments sake, lets say there are a percentage inactive for one reason or another.

    That leaves easily 200,000 to 500,000 users bitching here that could each send in 5 bucks or so at a minimum.

    Why not skip that next pack 'o smokes, fast food, or movie rental and just write a quick check?

    It *will* matter more than you think.

  63. Hidden DMCA letters going too far in demands... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    The DMCA letters being sent to ISPs go to far. They are not just demanding that the ISP stop the customer from sharing, but they are demanding that the ISP sever all business relationship with the customer.

    This became apparent when one of the ISPs in Australia refused to comply, and went public. I believe IDG or ZDNet covered this, in their australian online edition. They showed the contents of the letter, which included the demand of immediate halt of the customer's sharing, but also the immediate cessation and severing of all business relationship with the account (identified by ip address/date/time/files/etc.)

    This goes far beyond so called "copyright infringement". This is a punitive action made by a very embittered (and according to their own sales figures, very greedy) RIAA/MPAA.

    As someone who's had their dsl plug pulled on three days notice, and have been waiting more than three weeks for a new dsl provider to get permission and get switched on from the local telco, I can tell you from first hand experience the problem this causes.

    If one of my children downloads and installs a p2p program, and keeps the defaults as installed, I get to have my plug pulled? All of my web sites taken down? My email server cut off? My remote users cut off? My dns server that other networks rely on as a second dns server shut down?

    A careful review of the users of the p2p programs would show that the majority of the users are children. As defined in the US, children are under the age of 18. As defined by many of the "save the children" advocacy groups, children are under 19, under 21, under 25.

    I've been working on getting a CD burner working on my computer, but have had problems because of the unusual ide/scsi multiple hard drive setup I have. So it is not working under gnu/linux, and I've been making coasters under windows. I have a large collection of music which I own. Does the fact that I can download the same music that I own so I can listen on my computer/car cd player disallow me from downloading this music? I have the originals, just need them in a different medium. This is known as fair use. Will a default/misconfiguration of a p2p application cost me my entire net connection? Is this what was envisioned by the senators and congressmen when they signed the DMCA bill? Was this the intent of the law?

    An internet connection is viewed in the US as a necessity now. Schools are handing out assignments that include mandatory internet research. Those that don't have a connection are expected to go to the library or make arrangements with the teacher. But now the MPAA/RIAA are allowed to demand that the ISP pull the plug? On no or short notice? Library hours are being curtailed due to budget constraints everywhere. Libraries open on Sunday are unusual, and becomming more so. Saturday hours and night hours are being curtailed as well. So the MPAA/RIAA get to pull my plug because their automated computer thinks I'm sharing copyrighted works?

    Who reimburses me when my child's school project named after a copyrighted title shows up as a dmca violation, my plug gets pulled, and I lose customers for web sites/co-location hosting/email services/voicemail services/backup services because I can't get another dsl connection running right away? Or the downtime with ip propagation through the dns servers to the root servers with the new ip addresses of the new isp account because the old isp complied with the sever all business demand by the mpaa/riaa?

    As I read the DMCA act, it says that the isp must stop the sharing. I haven't read that it says that all business must be severed with the customer. Yet the mpaa/riaa are demanding this of isps. If you were a small time isp, would you comply or fight their lawyers? So you keep the connection and face mpaa/riaa lawyers, and more enforcement action/attention by them and the bsa, or you pull the plug and face a remote possibility of a lawsuit from a user. Which would you choose?

    Any changes to the DMCA law must include a prohibition on allowing the mpaa/riaa to demand that all business relationship be severed. It must only include the means necessary of stopping the "infringing" use, and the customer must be given the opportunity to respond prior to the plug getting pulled.

    My plug was pulled. I suspect it was a DMCA demand that caused the plug to be pulled. But a different, unrelated excuse was used to pull the plug. In the meantime, I had three days notice. What would you do, fight it out with an isp that wants to disconnect you? Or hurry up and find another isp so that you could get your revenue producing content back online?

    Since my local telco doesn't allow servers on their dsl connection, and since they require that the service be disconnected before another dsl reseller can place an order for service, and since the order for service takes anywhere from one to three weeks, there is no way of avoiding a several week downtime. And my local telco is the local telco for most of the northeast, and most of the east coast of the US.

    It's easy to say don't allow the p2p use. But when you have pre-teen and teen children on your connection, you'll think differently. And if I "share" a number of files, yet firewall off the files so that they can be seen as being shared, yet can't be uploaded from my server, that does not violate the dmca, yet would result in a dmca takedown letter. No files were uploaded from my server to anyone else's computer, they can't be. Yet the way that the mpaa/riaa is scanning for shared files, they "see" the files as being shared, and that results in a takedown letter. So I'm not violating any law, yet the riaa/mpaa get to pull my plug and cause me economic harm?

    I have some limited technical knowledge. Try explaining this to a small business owner, or someone who relies on email, internet access, and some reason (web server, vpn, mail server, etc) for a dsl connection for work. They get their plug pulled and are disconnected for 2-3 weeks or longer while they scramble to find a new dsl provider because the mpaa/riaa is looking for revenge and twisting the dmca law to their benefit? Cable isn't an option as a backup, as they don't allow vpn, and don't allow servers. A second dsl provider involves extra cost, and a separate additional phone line, or line drop, and it still involves ip number/dns interruption.

    Changes to the dmca law need to be made to prohibit this vindictive behavior by the entertainment cartel. A net connection is no longer viewed in our society as a luxury. It is a necessity. No one should have the right to completely pull the plug on someone's connection. There are steps that can be taken to prevent copyrighted file sharing. Pulling the plug is an unconscionable action on behalf of a very bitter, vindictive cartel, and exposes them for who they really are.

    The Verizon court case, where the entertainment cartel are attempting to ascertain the identity of a file sharer is a case in point. They state that they want to find out the identity of the person so that they can "tell them what they are doing is illegal". Really? Wanna bet they want that plug pulled and want the isp to "sever all business relationship" with that person?

    Those outside the US, take this lesson to heart. When the laws in your country are being fought out, make sure the above situation is not allowed to happen as a matter of law. The entertainment cartels will look for any advantage they can get. You need to be equally vigilant that your legislators protect your rights. And speak up. Or you will also lose in the end.

  64. STRENGTH by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ignorance is Strength. Duh.

  65. Re:who owns your digital media? by SpikeSpegiel · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Software companies don't care as much if their work is traded as most of them use piracy to expand their marketshare. Adobe, for instance, knows that some kid isn't going to pay $500 or $600+ for software, so they will let them steal it (as Adobe releases about 20 keys to warez sites) in order for the kids to become proficient in the software. When the kids grow up, they go work in graphic design, and go buy Adobe's products, becasue they are familiar with it, and they can afford it.

    Many software companies (including Microsoft) use this tactic to make sure their software sells more, and this method has been shown to work.

  66. Forgot to add the important part by PotatoHead · · Score: 2, Informative

    They say they have over 8,000 dues paying members. This is not a lot folks.

  67. Multi-Region DVDs... New class of Copyright laws? by Chris+Canfield · · Score: 4, Interesting
    From the copyright office site. This rulemaking addresses only the prohibition on the conduct of circumventing measures that control "access" to copyrighted works, e.g., decryption or hacking of access controls such as passwords or serial numbers. The structure of section 1201 is such that there exists no comparable prohibition on the conduct of circumventing technological measures that protect the "rights of the copyright owner,"

    This is a very important legal distinction, and one that congress didn't address enough of when creating the law. In theory, copyright holders do not have the legal right to prevent you from bringing their content across country lines for personal use (assuming the other country has similar laws). The obvious intent of the DMCA was to support the legal rights already given by the existing copyright laws, not to create an entirely new class of de-facto (and actionable) rights defined by those who currently have the right to mass-reproduce the material. EULA not withstanding (and, let's be honest, they don't), there is no legal framework for region control of copyrighted material. If such a thing is allowed to stand, the next logistical step is to segment the captive market by state and / or metropolis. This would reduce competitive pressures from surrounding communities, and reduce online sales to a few, more highly profitable mammoth corporate entities. I'm not being paranoid here: regional access was implemented in order to increase the sale price of overseas copyrights by segmenting the market and asuaging fears of competing with offshore copyright holders. This has been a part of the video game industry since Nintendo offered the US rights of the NES to Atari. Thankfully, without a DMCA provision, importation of videogames was available to the sub-market of any hobbyist who really wanted access to the material, a market not so large that it would reduce the attractiveness of a copyright that is likely to be purchased, but large enough that a truly significant game would not be completely missed by those who might consider gaming an emerging artform (Seiken Densetsu 3? Radiant Silvergun?).

    This is just one point of the new generation of copyrights being taken by those who hold the traditional copyright. For example, they are taking the sole right to control access to the fast-forward button... preventing the user both physically and legally from advancing through anything they might have a financial stake in you watching. They have taken playback medium rights, ensuring that their content can only be seen in a particular set of circumstances, like on a Windows(tm) computer, or a Sony (tm) DVD player. Translations of media for personal use are gone, as are backups... an often abused right that is necessary for anyone who A: has lived through a fire or B: has no idea where they put that CD that they love so much.

    Some of these new rights are being taken (backups) in an understandable attempt to enforce the rights they already have. But many (regions, commercials, resale rights) are simply a way to use the legal framework to squeese out more dollars from end consumers, and should be fought against.

    Nowhere in the DMCA does it state that it is an intended framework for the non-congressional creation of new rights for copyright holders. Chapter 12 is titled "Copyright Protection and Management Systems," and the first and second sub-clause 1201 and 1202 (referred to in the above article), are entitled "Circumvention of copy protection systems" and "Integrity of copy management systems," respectively. Thus, when they referred to the circumvention of ''(b) ADDITIONAL VIOLATIONS.--(1) No person shall manufacture, import, offer to the public, provide, or otherwise traffic in any technology, product, service, device, component, or part thereof, that-- ''(A) is primarily designed or produced for the purpose of circumventing protection afforded by a technological measure that effectively protects a right of a copyright owner under this title in a work or a portion thereof;

    Hence, as restricting region traversal is not a defined right of a copyright owner (holder), multi-region DVD players, and in fact the sale of region-free (but not copy-free) DVD players should be completely within the confines of the law. While it does, in certain points, refer to devices that circumvent access controls, it should be recognized that these two terms are being used interchangably by our elected officials, but that the overriding intent is the protection of existing rights, not creating a new class of rights. Intent is not the sole criteria of the courts, but many rulings have fallen upon the side of intent when explicit statements have failed. No court would believe that Congress intended to define the fast-forwarding of commercials as "theft."

    I'm sorry, this was going to be a quick little ramble. It sort of grew a life of its own.

    -C

    --
    This Sig is a mnemonic device designed to allow you to recognize this author in the future.
  68. who owns the analog media by cgenman · · Score: 1

    I thought it was Clear Channel.

  69. Money for nothin' in 8 easy steps by presearch · · Score: 1

    1) Big Media wants ISPs to charge users a downloading tax

    2) ISPs balk - Big Media "lobbies" lawmakers, enforces ISP tax

    3) Profit!! (for lawmakers and Big Media)

    4) Big Media now claims ISP tax isn't enough, content sales still down dramatically
    Big Media "lobbies" lawmakers for help
    Gets subsidies to save industry to cover losses
    on content they never sold

    5) Profit!! (for lawmakers and Big Media)

    6) Big Media catches on..can get income without producing any content
    Big Media "lobbies" lawmakers for help enforcing monopoly
    Non-authorized content made illegal
    No content is authorized (except government media)

    7) Profit!! (for congressmen, senators and Big Media)

    8) Music is now illegal - Zappa predicts future

  70. Go figure. by vistic · · Score: 2, Funny

    Superbowl fans were all busy watching the game, distracted momentarily from Slashdot.

    This story appears and as of yet I don't see anyone saying: "IN SOVIET RUSSIA... Digital Media owns YOU!"

    Coincidence? I think not, my friends....

    1. Re:Go figure. by vistic · · Score: 1

      Nevermind... I browsed it again at a -1 threshold and spotted four of them....

      *Sigh*

  71. The answer is easy. Jack Valentini by Billly+Gates · · Score: 2, Funny
    I only bought the right to play it. What is wrong with you people!

    Just like when you buy a car you only have the right to drive it. I really feel for those people losing their cars and going to jail for lifting up the hood and repairing them without going only to the car dealership or asking the car manufactors permission in writing. Cars are copyrighted right? Then they are not yours! We all know copyright holders have godlike and patent like powers so we should not even be debating this. Ask any lawyer from Hollywood or even experts like Senator Hollings. Anything otherwise would be bad for the economy and costs jobs and the whole American way of life.

    When will you slashdotters relize that you only exist in life as a right to live granted by the government and all the corporations.
    You should be on your knee's and begging Jack Valentini for forgivenss for such blasphemic thoughts.

    1. Re:The answer is easy. Jack Valentini by haeger · · Score: 2, Funny
      There is however a real threat.

      Buissnessplan here.

      .haeger

      --
      You are not entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your informed opinion. -- Harlan Ellison
    2. Re:The answer is easy. Jack Valentini by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1
      Holy f&*k.

      When I read the article it seemed actually not to far fetched and only slightly sarcastic. In the future this might come true. If libraries began forming today and not centuries ago, do you think the book publishers would not be suing everyone left and right?

      Would Guetenberg be thrown in jail for violating the DMCA with his copyright circumvention device called the printing press?

      Many libraries use to have cd's for people to listen too. Most are removed thanks to the RIAA. This madness needs to stop and only the material on it is copyrighted and not owned or patented. A corporation thinks they actually own a work after purchase and the right of sale doesn't qualify because it is copyrighted. Bullshit. A copyright is not designed to give these powers to publishers. Its only there to prevent their work from being stolen or miscredited.

  72. Re:Who Owns Your Digital Media? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Your words speak my mind, am assuming that they are most peoples mind. I feel bad for Eminem losing money for those who download copies of 8-Mile from Kazaa, but I own a 45 of Strawberry Letter 23 by Brothers Johnson and believe that I have a right to that download. Shutting down Kazaa because some people use it to illegally obtain copies is a severe abridgement of my rights. Honestly, I don't know where I stand on songs that I do not own, but can not purchase anywhere. It seems like they should be available to purchase digitally for a reasonable amount (and represents an unserved market).

    If I could have a digital locker that had all the music I have purchased, it would be worth something to me (another unserved market). If my ownership was confirmed, I would be willing to give up my old media (yet another unserved market).

    After removing all of the cost of manufacturing materials, and middlemen, the actual cost for the media should be so small that it is less convenient to steal. You could get a high-quality copy that is not a few seconds too short or mislabeled.

    It is a dream that I have...

  73. What about remixes? by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 1

    I did the P2P thing a while back, and mostly what I downloaded was remixes and club mixes. Anybody know a.) how those are made and b.) how'd I go about legitimately having them?

    I'm not a big fan of the original songs in most of those cases. It's not clear to me that having the original song on CD either would put me in the clear. Can anybody enlighten me?

    1. Re:What about remixes? by NanoGator · · Score: 1

      I'm kind of curious about remixes myself. Are they derivitive works, or are DJs out there breaking the law?

      --
      "Derp de derp."
    2. Re:What about remixes? by arkanes · · Score: 1

      I'm not 100% certain, but it's my understanding that remixes are derivitive works and DJs are breaking the law when they release or perform them. I seem to recall the Canadian version of the RIAA cracking down on a bunch of house DJs for royaltys a couple years back.

    3. Re:What about remixes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remixes are, nowadays, either alternate mixes created by the artist themselves or almost always cleared with the original artist and their record company.

      Almost always.

      There are a lot of underground remixers, who remix without the permission of the original artists. It's a little hard to get a capella tracks for some things, but there are workarounds, especially if you have well-connected friends who also work in studios.

      They are virtually always on 12", typically released as test presses (acetates, sometimes actually cut individually on the cheap - relatively on the cheap, I mean, this equipment is more expensive than a CD burner) or, at best, white label only - the DJs are connected and know where to get the very limited runs. The studios producing them are rather fly-by-night and often actually too small for the major labels to track down in many cases (one I know of ran for several years above an old, deserted comic shop).

      They often do slightly weird remixes that the studios probably wouldn't release. For example, there's a wicked underground drum'n'bass remix of that wet-lesbian-schoolgirl/bubblegum-pop track out at the moment (Tatu - All The Things She Said, or Taty - Ya Soshla S Uma if you want to hear the Russian original), for at least some definitions of "out". No-one knows who did it - it's a blank white label, and the interested DJs probably already have all the copies... who are the studios gonna sue?

      Meanwhile, we all get to dance to, and marvel at, the mad ninja remixing skillz of someone, whoever they are, who can make Tatu sound good to a breakdown. That's the way it goes.

  74. Re:Who Owns Your Digital Media? by SlayerDave · · Score: 1

    Damn - I knew that one of these days clicking through those EULAs was going to bite me in the ass!

  75. Re:Who Owns Your Digital Media? by Pofy · · Score: 2, Funny

    > I see the media as only being a carrier for the
    >work, much as I see a bag as a carrier for its
    >contents.

    Yeah, but it is the content you want/buy, otherwise you would go out and buy a blank CD, not a music CD.

    >I still strongly adhere to the concept that I
    >have purchased a copy of the work,

    Yup, and thus you own that copy (just as you own a particular "copy" of a football if you buy it). You do NOT hold the copyright to the copy though. As such, you can do anything you want with your copy as long as it is not one of the things prevented by copyright. Rather simple really.

  76. Re:Who Owns Your Digital Media? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yep. But the problem is that copyright has been bastardized to place greater restrictions than ever before.

    Digital media needs no additional restrictions placed on it than Analogue media.

  77. just one simple question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    so when my little cousin asks to get the new soundtrack to some movie, should I ask his mother or the RIAA?

  78. Here is My List by NigelJohnstone · · Score: 2, Funny

    As well as the 4 the EFF submitted, I would like to submit:

    * The Flumtreble invented in 2007
    * The worselhorn invented in 2020
    * The Flangtrimble invented in 2066

    If we don't get these exempted then they might never be invented because they would be illegal.
    Thank God the copyright office is giving us this chance to protect future ideas!

  79. I'd support the EFF, but... by Nogami_Saeko · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I live in Canada and their support form seems to be for the US audience only.

    I know that it's the US regulators who they will be talking to, however it goes without saying that anything passed in the US migrates north almost effortlessly.

    Sure would be nice if they'd take comments from other countries... Especially those right next door...

    N.

    --
    "Nothing strengthens authority so much as silence." - Charles de Gaulle
    1. Re:I'd support the EFF, but... by nmg196 · · Score: 1

      I agree - seems that these people only want the support of US citizens. The whole site seems to be US biassed even though it claims to be international.

      I'm not going to support it... Neither should anyone else.
      Why is that site so incredibly biassed towards US? It's supposed to be international.

      > Ever bought a foreign DVD only to discover it
      > won't play on your American DVD player?

      I leave you with this classic article:

      http://www.satirewire.com/news/0010/international. shtml

  80. Re:Protests by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
    Please follow the uniformed police officer to the designated 'Free Speech Zone'

    Actually, this is how "protests" are managed here in Hong Kong now. You're allowed to protest as long as you do it in a place where you're well out of sight of any of our unelected leaders (one thing we have in common with the US). Though it beats the Mainland way of arresting and locking up protesters within seconds of their unfurling their banners and taking them away to labour camps (even less salubrious than Guantanamo Bay).

    In one celebrated incident a year or so ago the police played Beethoven at high volume to drown out the protesters so they wouldn't offend the cadre attending some meeting.

  81. Re:Who Owns Your Digital Media? by anubi · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Your response to my post is appreciated. I will address your comments.

    Yeah, but it is the content you want/buy, otherwise you would go out and buy a blank CD, not a music CD.

    Very true. I consider what I paying for with legal tender is a legal licence for my personal use of the work encoded onto the media. The media itself is of little value, as is the bag. Both are just containers.

    I often buy a carton of eggs. Its not the carton I want, but it comes preloaded with eggs. I know I could, if I had to, get empty cartons, raise hens, and end up with the same carton loaded with eggs - but the store made it so easy to buy eggs, so why bother? Now if the farmers started playing all sorts of games with me, trying to tell me what I could do with the eggs, and under what conditions I could prepare them, I might have to resort to raising chickens.

    I consider it to be my right to transfer the work amongst any media I have, because I have paid for it, and I intend to enjoy it. In my case, its backup to another CD, then rip to MP3, mix, and burn so I can play it in the car and jogging player.

    If the original media gets damaged later, its no big deal. As long as the original media stays intact long enough for me to transfer its contents onto my system, with due backup systems, losing the original carrier is about as traumatic as losing the box the hard drive came in, albeit that I do place significant effort to keep my original source media in pristine condition. Thats what backup is all about... the data is the only thing thats really important. Everything else is replacable.

    Back to the eggs.. just because they came a dozen to a box does not mean I am forced to eat them in sequence.. I want an egg here, a strip of bacon there, grits there, etc. Same with the music. I have my own unique tastes of what I want, and I compile my own mix. I do not feel some authority can tell me I can not mix my music anymore than some farmer can tell me I have to eat the whole dozen eggs before I can eat the toast. Or telling me I can't fry my bacon in a microwave oven.

    I do not believe I have any right to dictate to the sellers what they can do with the money after the trade, nor do I consider they have any right to tell me how I am going to be allowed to enjoy my use of their work after the trade. If I made your car, do I have a right to tell you where you can go?

    Yup, and thus you own that copy (just as you own a particular "copy" of a football if you buy it). You do NOT hold the copyright to the copy though. As such, you can do anything you want with your copy as long as it is not one of the things prevented by copyright. Rather simple really.

    True, quite simple. I feel I can do anything with my copy as long as it is not one of the things prevented by "copyright".. only problem is coming up with what both parties agree to be the fair use definition of "copyright". I feel committed to the "like a book" doctrine. I feel when I pay the purchase price, I am entitled to personal use of the work. I feel a lot of people get confused with media. Media is only the "box" the "work" was delivered in. I feel I purchased the "work", but the media was necessary just as the carton was a necessary part of purchasing the eggs.

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  82. They're shooting themselves in the foot. by More+Karma+Than+God · · Score: 1

    Being "forced" to watch promotional content does not prevent your access to the content you have a right to access. By adding an extra class of works to thier list they dilute thier arguments.

    Of course, IANAL.

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    1. Re:They're shooting themselves in the foot. by arkanes · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's actually a very important catagory - content providers want *complete* control over the content - just like in EULA's - including things far beyond the normal limits of copyright law. There's no "right" for them to force you to watch promotions - therefore, you have every right to figure out a way to skip it. The MPAA will no doubt argue that you have an implicit contract to watch the promotion, and that skipping it is stealing, and to that I say, piss the hell off.

    2. Re:They're shooting themselves in the foot. by More+Karma+Than+God · · Score: 1

      Do something else while the promotions run. Either that, or write to the companies sponsoring the promotions indicating that you will not purchase any products advertised in that manner. Just because they're forcing your player to play the promotion doesn't mean you're being forced to watch it.

      It's the weakest of the four. Set a precedent using the strongest arguments you have and then use that to fight the next set of battles.

      Of course, as always, IANAL.

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    3. Re:They're shooting themselves in the foot. by arkanes · · Score: 1

      Well, I could do that, or I could modify my player to be able to skip them - being a geek, I prefer the second alternative. And that is what this is about - not allowing copyright holders to extend powers to entirely new realms using the DMCA. It's not weak - in fact, it's the strongest one of all - copyright is in NO WAY related to forcing people to watch trailers, and the extension of copyright to cover it should absolutely be nipped in the bud.

  83. US biassed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why is that site so incredibly biassed towards US? It's supposed to be international.

    > Ever bought a foreign DVD only to discover it
    > won't play on your American DVD player? Did you
    > have to buy a multi-region player to get around > it?

    This isn't anything to with America - it affects all region coded DVD players.

    Why not just say "your country". Oh I forgot - America is the only country which matters bomb the rest.

    Why does everyone hate America?

    1. Re:US biassed by Renegade+Lisp · · Score: 1
      Given that this is an initiative concerning American laws, the "bias" seems natural and legitimate here (while I do agree with your general sentiment).

      (In case anyone wonders, the parent post refers to this link from the original article.)

  84. Re:Who Owns Your Digital Media? by Pofy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Heh, regarding the egg part, I think one (or both) of us have not understood the other one. It seems we actually agree with each other I would say.

    For some reason, people tend to think of copyright as ownership (which it is not) and then think that just because you don't hold the copyright, you can't own something and can't do anything and so on. When it is actually to the contrary, you can indeed own and do anything you want EXCEPT a few well defined actions in the copyright laws.

    In part I think the blame might to be on the intelectual "property" which makes people tend to treat it as physical properties and handle copyright to something as ownership of property. This is of course great for media cooperations since it gives them more power and they certainly do all they can to twist copyright in that direction. To bad people fall for it believeing it is allready like that.

    > only problem is coming up with what both
    >parties agree to be the fair use definition of
    >"copyright".

    Could be. In general, I would say it should allready have been resolved. Copyright is nothing new and there are probably in most countries many court decisions to sort it out. The main problem seems to be that for some reason, people think that now with digital "media" (meaning content, not container) the existing copyright laws does not work. I don't see that, they seem to work very well and cover all the nessecary. All changes or additions to the copyright laws done to handle this new digital word seems to actually add new things to copyright that has not existed before, which is bad.

    >I feel committed to the "like a book" doctrine.
    >I feel when I pay the purchase price, I am
    >entitled to personal use of the work.

    Actually, you should be entiteled to ANY use that is not specifically disallowed by the copyright law. Media coorperations wants you to believe that you have no rights it seems and that copyright laws forbids EVERYTHING, including use which is not true. In addition they work hard to actually change the copyright laws to be that way as well.

    > I feel a
    >lot of people get confused with media. Media is
    >only the "box" the "work" was delivered in. I
    >feel I purchased the "work",

    Yes but here is were many people go wrong, they believe in the media's (media coorperations, that is those holding many copyrights) propaganda claiming that you don't "own" (equallying holding copyright with owning) the actual work and thus you can't possibly have bought it since you don't own it you can't do anything with it and have no rights. Oh well.

    One of the most important thing in my opinion is to actually educate people about what copyright actual is and mean. Many does not know or understand it, believeing in whatever they are told (often by big media coorperations). WHen enough people believe in it, one claim the current copyright laws does not cover it (well, doh, it was not true what was made people to believe) and that changes are needed and so on. Sad :(

    So with better information about what copyright actually is and how it works, it would be easier to fight that behaviour as well and prevent changes in copyright laws for the worse in the future.

  85. Re:who owns your digital media? by Corporate+Troll · · Score: 1
    Many software companies (including Microsoft) use this tactic to make sure their software sells more

    <SARCASM> So where is my Warez Key for Windows XP that allows me to install service packs? </SARCASM>
    No, I don't have XP, and I don't really care. I just wanted to make a point that Microsoft stopped doing this with the release of Windows and Office XP.

  86. Where's the letters? by kcb93x · · Score: 1

    Anybody got a clue where I can find a copy of one of these letters, or what date the ZDNET or IDG article was posted?

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    1. Re:Where's the letters? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's the letters information (a reply to the original post):

      http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=51980&cid=51 73 254

  87. Or if you put ads in, reduce price by kcb93x · · Score: 1

    If you're going to add 5 minutes of ads, reduce the price by say, $2 per minute of ads? So that'd make those $9.99 movies free...DVD's like $10...I like it.

    Reduce the price, or cut the crap.

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  88. Blah Blah Blah by Acidic_Diarrhea · · Score: 1

    So your statement about me offering a "lame rationalization" was what? Completely wrong? You ignored my statement about that entirely. I suggested a much more proactive approach to the problem and you accused me of making a "lame rationalization for doing nothing." How is that the case?

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  89. Links that help you do that by fizbin · · Score: 1

    http://www.house.gov/writerep/ lets anyone find out who the US congressional representative is for a given area. However, in densely populated areas, you'll first need the complete Zip+4 postal code.

  90. Exempt ALL copyrighted material by n6kuy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ANY work that claims copyright should be exempt from the DMCA.

    After all, copyright is granted in exchange for the public's fair-use access to the copyrighted material.

    DRM prevents that.

    In fact, it ought to be illegal to put DRM on any work that claims copyright....yadda yadda.

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  91. Taxpayers own the copyright by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As we taxpayers subsidise it.

  92. Some of us can only Bitch by jimsum · · Score: 1

    My answer to your first question is, unfortunately, that the Canadian Ambassador is my representative in Washington. Although I'm sure he would be happy to hear my opinions, his vote doesn't count for much in Washington. I guess I should hire a lobbyist.

    Because of the shear size of the US economy, companies tend produce products in accordance with US laws so that they can sell into the US market. It is also a good idea for foreigners to obey US laws if they ever want to set foot on US soil, since apparently you can be prosecuted for breaking US laws even if your actions are legal in your own country.

    As foreigners, our opportunities to influence US laws are pretty much restricted to convincing Americans to act on our behalf. Americans that are bellyaching in /. should be attempting to influence their government; foreigners that are bellyaching in /. are doing what little they can.

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  93. Reduced Prices are Not Likely by jimsum · · Score: 1

    Lowering the price to compensate for a lower value product is what happens in a free market. Fortunately, the media companies don't have to deal with a free market; they can be shielded by new laws instead.

    Copy protection on DVD's is an example of where the media companies played somewhat fair. Laser Disks were not copy protected, but they were 2-3 times more expensive than DVD's. What you lost in not being able to make copies, you made up for in better quality and lower price. This is how a market is supposed to work.

    Copy protection on CD's is an example of how the media companies would like it. Copy protected CD's are worse than normal CD's in every way. Besides not being able to copy them, you can't play them on your computer, and they are probably more susceptible to damage. Yet the record companies want to sell them for the same price as real CD's!

    The widespread copying of digital media is only happening because the distribution and physical production of digital media is much cheaper and easier than it was for analogue media. The only way for a media company to consistently charge much more than the cost of production is to prevent competition. The recent changes to the copyright act will create an ironclad legal monopoly that will allow the media companies to do whatever they think will increase their revenue. If the law does not restrict what companies can put on the media they produce, and the law prevents a user from modifying the players or media they "own", then unskippable ads are an inevitable consequence. We will get no more a price break in compensation for the ads on a DVD than we did when they started showing ads in movie theatres.

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  94. Re:Who Owns Your Digital Media? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Why is 137? Why exactly 137?

    Well, sorry dude, but it's exactly 42.

  95. Re:Hidden DMCA letters Here's the letter: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Here's the letter, sorry I didn't have the link when I wrote the original post above.

    Moderators, please mod this up one point so it is equal with the parent and reply posts, thank you.

    Here's the quote:

    Since you own this IP address, we request that you immediately do the following:
    1) Disable access to the individual who has engaged in the conduct described above; and 2) Terminate any and all accounts that this individual has through you.


    The letter is here:

    http://whirlpool.net.au/article.cfm/1054

    and here is the entire letter (and article):

    Hollywood muscles Australian ISPs over piracy

    | 2003-Jan-14, 12 am | Australia

    UPDATE | Hello Slashdotters, from around the world. Nice to have you with us! The Slashdot article discussion forum has brought up a lot of good points. In particular, that US law -may- reach into Australian jurisdiction due to various treaties and internationally registered entertainment companies (which means an Australian branch of an entertainment like Warner Bros could easily liaise with its US parent and take legal action on Australian soil). That discussion can be read here.UPDATE | ZDNet Australia has published an excellent followup to the MediaForce letter which includes legal opinion over whether ISPs need comply with the company's demands. The article makes very interesting reading, and can be viewed here.Hollywood giant Warner Bros has started ordering Australian ISPs to disconnect users for sharing copyright material.

    One ISP, which asked not to be named in this story, received a letter listing the IP address of users who had shared movies, along with infringement times and dates.

    Australian ISP Managers were today hotly debating the topic of what to do in response to the demands. Some ISPs advocated warning or disconnecting users, while others were seeking legal advice to confirm their view that US companies had no jurisdiction in Australian law.

    The company behind the letter is MediaForce, a New York based anti-piracy group that uses "advanced scanning techniques" to monitor piracy across the internet and report infringing users.

    According to its website, the company monitors Napster/OpenNap, Aimster, Swapnut, Gnutella (Bearshare, Limewire & others), AudioGalaxy, Hotline, iMesh, KaZaA, Morpheus/MusicCity, Grokster, Xolox, FTP Sites and IRC.

    But the company does not just monitor copyright violations, it encourages ISPs to block or restrict file sharing ports on their services. It also distributes 'decoy' files via file sharing networks which look like real music and video files, but are in fact garbled data.

    The full letter is quoted in the article continuation.

    LINKS

    * Media Force Inc
    * Aust ISPs hose down reported US copyright attack (ZDNet Australia, 14 Jan 02)
    * ISPs wary of role in anti-piracy actions (C|Net News.com, 8 Jun 01)
    * File tracker may go too far (Wired, 11 May 01)
    * On Behalf of Film Studios, Company Searches for Students Downloading Movies (The Chronicle of Higher Education, 1 Oct 01)
    * Q&A for ISPs in USA on how to deal with Media Force (ChillingEffects.org)
    * Guide to the Digital Agenda Act 2000 (Department of Communication, Information Technology and the Arts, Aust Govt)

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    Dear Abuse Department:

    We are writing this letter on behalf of Warner Bros., a division of Time Warner Entertainment Company, L.P. ("Warner Bros.").

    As you may know, Warner Bros. is the holder of rights under copyright, including exclusive distribution rights, in and to the motion picture(s) listed above.

    No one is authorized to perform, exhibit, reproduce, transmit, or otherwise distribute the above-mentioned work(s) without the express written permission of Warner Bros., which permission Warner Bros. has not granted to xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx.

    We have received information that an individual has utilized the above-referenced IP address at the noted date and time to offer downloads of the above-mentioned work through a "peer-to-peer" service.

    The attached documentation specifies the location on your network where the infringement occurred, the number of repeat violations recorded at this specific location, as well as any available identifying information.

    The distribution of unauthorized copies of copyrighted motion pictures constitutes copyright infringement under the Copyright Act, Title 17 United States Code Section 106(3). This conduct may also violate the laws of other countries, international law, and/or treaty obligations.

    Since you own this IP address, we request that you immediately do the following:
    1) Disable access to the individual who has engaged in the conduct described above; and 2) Terminate any and all accounts that this individual has through you.

    On behalf of Warner Bros., owner of the exclusive rights to the copyrighted material at issue in this notice, we hereby state, pursuant to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, Title 17 United States Code Section 512, that we have a good faith belief that use of the material in the manner complained of is not authorized by Warner Bros., its respective agents, or the law.

    Also pursuant to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, we hereby state that we believe the information in this notification is accurate, and, under penalty of perjury, that MediaForce is authorized to act on behalf of the owner of the exclusive rights being infringed as set forth in this notification.

    Please contact us at the above listed address or by replying to this email should you have any questions.

    We appreciate your assistance and thank you for your cooperation in this matter. In your future correspondence with us, please refer to Case ID XXXXXX Your prompt response is requested.

    Respectfully,
    Mark Weaver,
    Director of Enforcement
    MediaForce, Inc. (212) 925-9997