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Hollywood Says No to Filtering DVD Player

haplo21112 writes "There is a posting over at ZDNet about how Hollywood continues to trample on the American consumer's free use rights. They want to prevent the sale of a special DVD player which can be used to edit out offensive material from a DVD in realtime. While I don't agree with censorship in general, I do believe its everyone's right to do what they wish with their own media."

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  1. I agree with them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I also think that everyone should be forced to watch these movies. If we're going to rob people of their rights. Let's not half-ass it.

  2. I would think Hollywood would profit from this. by electrick · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This technology would allow for parents to show otherwise questionable movies to their kids. That would lead to a higher number of movies bought or rentals per family, because some movies are no longer out of the question.
    Not that I am agreeing with the censorship, I just don't see the logic in trying to ban this.

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    1. Re:I would think Hollywood would profit from this. by martyn+s · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's a bad precedent. It gives us (geeks) an example that we can use to explain to normal people what "fair use" means. If such a DVD player were common people might understand what fair use is exactly.

    2. Re:I would think Hollywood would profit from this. by frodo+from+middle+ea · · Score: 5, Interesting
      I think they are thinking about starting to show advertisements on DVDs preety soon. And if you can filter out selectivecontents , you will be able to filter out ADs too..

      And that would be stealing content.Now we don't want to steal content and deny the HW of its millions (or should i say billions) do we .... ?

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    3. Re:I would think Hollywood would profit from this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, right. I can think of a half dozen movies off hand where the theatre version and the video release have differed. Return of the Jedi (original, not special edition) and Apollo 13 for starters. Both had scenes removed that I KNOW were there because my friends remember them too. And what about director's cuts and the like? No, they really do just want more money by selling different versions...

    4. Re:I would think Hollywood would profit from this. by ADRA · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Reasons why I think Hollywood wants to stop this business from happening:

      1. Their cut. I am sure these services that offer the filtering are not doing it for free (correct me if i am wrong), but if hollywood is loosing a potential revenue stream form this, I can see them being angry.

      2. Directors. If I was a director, I would be pretty upset with 3rd party disruption of my vision of a movie even if it doesn't fit one's approriate maturity level. The "If you can't handle it don't watch it" rule applies here, which I can totally empithize with. Refer to the Simpsons episode on censoring museums.

      3. Loss of control. With DVD's, the idea was to make a medium that could not have been tampered with. That obviously failed. With the reintegrated fight between content owners and content creators, we can see similar war in the horizon. This may just be a reinforcing leagl position to assist future problems.

      EG. If I set my DVD player to 'NO_ADS' mode, effectively removeing the crap at the beginning of DVD's which I don't want to see, do I have the right to time shift through it if I deam that I don't want to look at it?

      Personally, I think if i bought the DVD, and it does not effect anything outside the scope of what I purchased, I should be able to time shift and 'manipulate' the output of the movie any way like as long as it is legal to do so (no redistribution, etc...).

      If I watch the movie from a projector steatching out the picture to look funky, and changing the sound channels, back to front and front to back, I should have the right to as long I am not infringing on the rights of the creators, which I wouldn't be, even though I am viewing a movie in a way not intended by the authors.

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    5. Re:I would think Hollywood would profit from this. by Mitreya · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I think they are thinking about starting to show advertisements on DVDs preety soon

      They already do! Infrequently, and non-specific yet (I swear to return a DVD that would have an AOL commercial on it). But your point is well made... a filter can exist to skip the FBI warning and whatever other crap studios make unskippable...

    6. Re:I would think Hollywood would profit from this. by majestynine · · Score: 3, Insightful
      There are, without doubt, different types of censorship.

      Political censorship (ie. limiting free speech via any method) is NOT the same as a parent deciding what a child can and cannot watch.

      Personally I think the whole thing is a bit hypocritical anyway. Parents like this piss me off, particularly the types that go out and buy the Titanic video, and make a copy, cutting out the bits where they have sex in the car and you see Kate Winslet's tit and everything, yet they keep all the lying, cheating and violence in.

      Things like this only serve to mystify these topics to children, and as we all know, whatever is taboo, is more interesting.

      Things like this probably have their place, but just because a parent can click the 'Hide the nudie bits' button, doesnt mean they should stop caring what the children watch. We're already letting these soulless media companies raise our children, one step at a time, this just looks to me like another way for the parents to not give a shit about their children.

    7. Re:I would think Hollywood would profit from this. by sebi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Buying a Monet is not the same as buying a movie on DVD. Buying a print would be the same. I still agree with your sentiment, that you should be able to do with it whatever you feel like. The media companies don't agree though. For them buying a DVD is not the same as buying a print. According to them all you get is permission to access their content in whatever way they deem acceptable. Not ownership.

    8. Re:I would think Hollywood would profit from this. by Cato+the+Elder · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "I agree here. Should we lower all speed limits to 25, become some people don't want to drive fast (or can't and still be safe)?"

      This is a really poor analogy. Roads are public, and changing the speed limit effects everyone. This is like saying you can't paint your own car, even if you never take it out of the driveway.

      "Directors. If I was a director, I would be pretty upset with 3rd party disruption of my vision of a movie"

      They have every right to get upset, they don't have a right to stop it. I'm sure certain directors would be upset if they knew I watched their movies drunk off my ass and made fun of them the whole time. Should it therefore be illegal for me to do so?

    9. Re:I would think Hollywood would profit from this. by prgammans · · Score: 2

      I agree here. Should we lower all speed limits to 25, become some people don't want to drive fast (or can't and still be safe)?
      Your right, i see, we should all be forced to drive at the speed limit an not a single mph slower.

      What ever next giving people choice?
      This DVD player is not being forced on you, you don't have to buy it or use it. It for people that don't want to see content containing voilence,sex or bad language etc. i give them the choice not to see it.

      This is about personal freedom, not censorship.

    10. Re:I would think Hollywood would profit from this. by grammar+fascist · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You've hit the nail on the head, though a bit circumspectly. It's not about profits, it's about control.

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    11. Re:I would think Hollywood would profit from this. by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "Directors. If I was a director, I would be pretty upset with 3rd party disruption of my vision"

      Too damn bad. When I buy something, it's mine. I interfer with the directors vision all the time when I skip over boring parts of movies I've already seen. They have NO RIGHT to tell me I can't do that. This applies to all art. YOu are perfectly free to buy a painting and then burn it or deface it. When it's yours, you are allowed to do what you wish with it. YOu can't reproduce it, that's copyright infringement, but you may modify and use the copy you own as you see fit.

    12. Re:I would think Hollywood would profit from this. by Arcturax · · Score: 2, Interesting

      But they aren't copying or distributing the movie!

      It is more like if someone invented a pair of glasses which blotted out every cuss word in a book. Silly? Yes, illegal? No!

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    13. Re:I would think Hollywood would profit from this. by plague3106 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Perhaps when we will continue to see violence in our world after the most of it has been wiped out from our entertainment (and that goes for sex, and profanity as well)

      Heh...they always seem to forget that violence and profanity existed way before most people could read. Are we forgetting the crusades, the inqusition and a host of other wars?

    14. Re:I would think Hollywood would profit from this. by martyn+s · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Agreed, but it's more complicated than that. Even if they'd get slightly more sales from this, it would hurt them legally and as I mentioned, it would give the public a good example of what fair use is. That would hurt them more than it would help.

    15. Re:I would think Hollywood would profit from this. by dbrutus · · Score: 2

      Control lets them maintain their current business model which is a vastly profitable one. If they lose control, their industry leaves the amber and the current players have to fight and struggle to maintain themselves in a new market over which they have little control. There would likely be blood on the floor and a lot of corporate restructuring.

    16. Re:I would think Hollywood would profit from this. by TheLink · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sure they have the right to tell me what I can do with that DVD.

      But I have the right to obey the law instead and tell them to screw themselves.

      The copyright holder has copyrights to what I purchase. But those rights are limited.

      I cannot make copies of a book and sell it to the public. That would infringe copyright.

      But if I buy a book I can rip out whatever pages I want. I can even sell the book again, as long as I do not misrepresent what I'm selling or commit other fraud. No matter what the licensing of the book says.

      And in my country at least, I can even make copies of the book for my private use.

      Don't buy their propaganda. Too many people have.

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    17. Re:I would think Hollywood would profit from this. by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, the copyright holder can't tell me what I can and can't do with teh work. It's called the doctrine of first sale (look it up) they loose control over it after they sell it to me. I may not duplicate and distribute the work because of copyright law. The government says that is not acceptable and I can get in trouble for it. However I am free do what I please with the peice I bought. I can alter it, deface it, destroy it, resell it, just not copy it.

      It's like school text books. They are copyrighted works and those companies defend them since those books are big ticket tiems. However students can and do alter them all the time, by highlighting or underlining things they find interesteing, or by making notes. They also resell them, sometimes to other students, sometimes to the school bookstore. This is all perfectly legal.

      Being the copyright holder doesn't give you a magic wand that lets you control everything that is ever done with your work. It lets you decide who is allowed to make copies of it, that's all.

  3. Go Hollywood! by Joystickit · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This isn't so bad. Perhaps they'll make parents actually think about what DVDs they let their children watch instead of thinking technology can parent for them. (yeah, fat chance, I know) (also, Double standards: I can have them, you can't)

    1. Re:Go Hollywood! by Teancom · · Score: 4, Interesting

      1) Why do you think that this will be used (soley?) to let children watch "bad" movies? Specifically, I prefer to watch PG-13 (and less) movies, but would like to see some R-rated movies, minus gratuitous sex scenes*, or gory violence (I don't enjoy gore, and if I want sex, then I romance my wife).

      2) What double standards? You didn't elaborate, so I have to guess that you are critical of parents telling their children that they are unable to watch movies that the parents *do* watch. If that is your position, then it's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. If I was into gore/horror films, I certainly wouldn't let my 5 year old watch them. Neither would I want him to watch a Kevin Smith film, as there is no need for him to hear the F-word 5 times a minute. How is that a double-standard? I also wouldn't let him drink, vote, or drive.

      *Off-topic note about this, I was listening to an archived interview of Chris Rock and Kevin Smith on the Howard Stern show, from just before Dogma's release. One of the most interesting parts of the interview is how everyone on the show agreed that if they could eliminate one thing from their life, it would be porn. It creates such false, twisted, "high" expectations, that no real person could live up to them, and you end up spending your whole time wanking off rather than having real sex with your partner. And none of those people are exactly what you would call "right-wing" :-)

  4. To play devil's advocate, by tmark · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How would people feel if someone wrote some magical piece of software that prevented users from having to view annoying copyright- and authorship- nag banners and notices that appear while running software ?

    1. Re:To play devil's advocate, by rusty0101 · · Score: 4, Funny

      somehow I think that they would probably complain that it was shareware....

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  5. Wait, strike that, reverse it, thank you. by pergamon · · Score: 5, Funny

    I can't wait for someone to start making filters for these that skip over everything but the "objectionable" content...

    1. Re:Wait, strike that, reverse it, thank you. by nelsonal · · Score: 5, Funny

      I remember an interview with Elizabeth Berkley in which she mentioned that she was riding an airplane shortly after Showgirls came out, with the in arm television screens. Her seat mate did not recognise her and picked Showgirls, she was shocked to look over and see that he was fast forwarding through all the non nude scenes. I got a pretty good laugh out of the fact that she was surprised by this.

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  6. illegal by LinuxCumShot · · Score: 5, Funny

    my stereo should be illegal, it adds distortion to music in real time

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  7. Another way for the media compaies to get money by The_K4 · · Score: 2

    Wait for someone to invent a really useful device that would sell more of the media company's product, sue them out of existance, then release their own copy of said invention. They can't just appreciate that someone is helping them get to a larger audience.....


    Why do i suddenly have this image of the Ned Flanders and the boys trying to watch a cleaned-up version of Pulp Fiction?

  8. Author is missing the point by GuyMannDude · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I CAN OFFER only three words to Hollywood: Get over it. Or maybe: Turn it around. If people find certain scenes in certain movies offensive, maybe Hollywood shouldn't force its paying customers to watch those scenes.

    I'm guessing that the studios aren't so much interested in forcing people to watch "offensive scenes" as they are in ensuring that they are going to be the sole avenue for producing "Family" or "Edited" versions. A Studio might, for example, decide to release a PG-13 version of James Cameron's Aliens. There would probably be a market for that unless, of course, ClearPlay, CleanFlicks or some other company is already providing families with the ability to edit their R-rated Aliens DVD on the fly.

    The author of the article would have a stronger argument if he wasn't distorting the true intentions of the studios like that.

    GMD

  9. How long? by no_demons · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A DVD player that won't let you watch DVDs the way you want to watch them? How long before we see TVs without 'mute' buttons. Can't you just do this kind of thing now anyway with a decent VCR and a little time? When will the anti-digital madness end?

  10. It's Not Censorship by Poeir · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No one is telling anyone they are not allowed to watch what they want, which would be an abridgement of free speech against the person who was trying to allow others to watch what that individual wanted, but rather not allow someone not to watch only the parts they want. How is this really any different from allowing scene selection? ("Let's see... I want to watch Moria, then Weathertop, and then I want to watch the Amon Sul. After that, Matrix lobby scene, followed by Agent defeat.") I don't see any difference between watching scenes in a particular order, through using scene selection or, heaven forbid, PowerDVD's bookamark system, and a DVD player that skips particular scenes entirely.

    This position is similar to a position that says "You are required to watch our films." It's not censorship, since it doesn't forbid some things from being shown, but it is absurd and outrageous.

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    1. Re:It's Not Censorship by MikeFM · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I actually like some tv-cleaned versions of movies better because they remove excessive use of language. I'd be mad if they only offered the edited version to me but if the DVD offered 'cleaned' English language version I'd sometimes use it. No new technology required. :)

      I'd like to see support for some of these features in Xine, MPlayer, etc. It'd be pretty cool to have language and video masks made for and by a community site. For language just a set of start/stop marks to skip certain channels and for video start/stop/x/y/size data so you could blur objectable spots. Maybe some way to skip scenes or portions of scenese too. MovieBlipsXML? ;)

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  11. FBI warnings too? by kilroy_hau · · Score: 5, Funny

    I find those warnings offensive.

    I'm not a criminal, I bought the DVD and I just want to see the damn movie. I want to remove those warnings

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    1. Re:FBI warnings too? by Manax · · Score: 3, Interesting
      I have actually seen DVDs that force me to watch both the FBI warning AND the studio's intro. It really is a legitimate issue that I have with DVD players.

      What I'd like to see is some open source "PROMs" that contain all the code to parse the DVD... to tell the damn machine to ignore any commands that would make it ignore MY commands...

      Basically, it irks me that the machine is no longer behaving like a VCR or a CD player... that it won't LET me do certain things that the author decides I shouldn't do...

      Or perhaps I should replace my Panasonic DVD player with one that does ignore those commands, if such a thing exists...

      I guess fundementally, this is the exact same issue as the one in the article. "Who can control how you use copyrighted material you own?"

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    2. Re:FBI warnings too? by addaon · · Score: 2, Funny

      Next you'll want to take the tag off the mattress!

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    3. Re:FBI warnings too? by Sgs-Cruz · · Score: 3, Informative

      The Apex DVD players let you flash the PROM to skip that kind of thing... I just did a quick google and most of the info is available...

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  12. Definition of "censorship" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Folks,

    We need to be very careful about throwing around the word "censorship" in a context like this. IMO, it is not censorship or anything like it for a parent to fast-forward through a questionable scene in a movie. It's not censorship for a commercial organization to decide it doesn't want to carry/show/broadcast certain material.

    Censorship is state-sponsored, implicitly-at-gunpoint, restrictions on free speech, freedom of the press, etc. It's prohibited by the Bill of Rights .

  13. The Phantom Edit! by Jammer@CMH · · Score: 5, Funny

    No JarJar! Imagine the possibilities!

  14. I would love to use this tech. by Mustang+Matt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There are certain movies that are great, but not quite acceptable for my family to watch.

    With a technology like this, you could tell the DVD player what's appropriate for the audience.

    It would be a really great solution to show certain movies in schools too.

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    1. Re:I would love to use this tech. by CleverNickedName · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There are certain movies that are great, but not quite acceptable for my family to watch.


      So don't watch the movie then. My God, since when did we give up the right to choose for the right to insist?

      What next? "I want to read 'Crime and punishment', but I insist that it be presented to me as a light-hearted, romantic comedy"?

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  15. Consider the alternative by The+Bungi · · Score: 3, Funny
    This is far better than those wankers over at CleanFlicks who not only have an agenda, but also infringe on the copyright of directors and producers (in fact they've been sued already for that very same reason).

    A device that does that puts the power to choose what to see and what not to see in the hands of the consumer, where it belongs.

  16. Art or free media? by Spytap · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Does anyone else feel a parallel to when the Catholic Church went along "censoring" all the great works of art which contained nudity by drawing or painting over them, and adding leaves, etc? Personally, I feel art should be left alone. The greatest and most heralded art was made by singular geniuses; no good art was ever created by a committee of politicians...

    1. Re:Art or free media? by mcg1969 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, I don't feel a parallel, because there is none.

      In the case you're stating, the Church was preventing people from seeing the original artwork---even if they wanted to, and were fully aware of its supposedly "naughty" bits. In this case, there is no such force involved. Nobody is preventing anyone from seeing the unedited version. In fact, this DVD player can in all likelihood play both the edited and unedited versions!

      This is about enabling choice, not restricting it. Just like I can buy the director's cut of Apocalypse now, now it would seem I can buy the preacher's cut as well :)

  17. Why Hollywood is Right by VividU · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This is the same principle as those folks who rent out edited DVD's so junior never lays his eyes on a female breast.

    This is the same principle as those folks who would "colorize" a classic Black & White film to make it more appealing the general massses.

    A artist should have a right to have his creation be experienced unaltered. Unless of course, the artist himself has made the alterations.

    This is a simple case of artistic integrity. It is the directors name that scrolls on the screen at the end of the movie.

    If you don't want to watch something, do what our president said to do "Turn off the on button"!

    Of course, this is Slashdot, where people find a million and one reasons and rationalizations to cut, copy and paste the creative hard work of others.

    1. Re:Why Hollywood is Right by Sloppy · · Score: 4, Insightful
      A artist should have a right to have his creation be experienced unaltered.
      You don't think a viewer has a right to alter his own perception?

      If I don't have the right to filter a movie as I play it back, then perhaps I also don't have the right to watch it on a dusty screen in bad lighting, or on a screen of the wrong aspect ratio that adds black bars. Perhaps I don't have the right to wear sunglasses when looking at a painting. (Even blinking might be bad.) Perhaps I don't have the right to listen to music on crappy speakers, or lossy-compress it, or sing along with it. (If you've ever heard me sing, you know that "Screaming For Vengeance" sounds a lot better when I'm not around.)

      Perhaps I don't have right to view a web page without the ads, or to have my browser override a stylesheet. Perhaps I don't have the right to view a web page unless I agree to download and install whatever plugins it wants so that I can experience the page as fully intended.

      I think there's some point, within the my personal domain, where all the artist's rights end. At that point, everything that comes in becomes mine to lightly process or heavily mutilate, however I please. It would probably be foolish of me to butcher the works, but that's my decision to make. I cannot harm the artist; I can only harm myself.

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    2. Re:Why Hollywood is Right by senducemhere · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So - skipping pages in a novel is somehow trampling on the author's right to have his material read unaltered. I have been denying someone their rights for years without knowing it. SOSUEME

      It's not a right, it is a WISH.

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  18. Forcing you to what? by hondo77 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I love the part in the article linked to where the ClearPlay CEO talks about watching movies with his kids and being uncomfortable with the language. Excuse me? You're watching R-rated movies with your kids and you all are uncomfortable with the language? Here's a tip: watch G-rated movies. That's what the rating system is for. Here's another tip: don't let your kids watch anything but G-rated movies if you don't want them hearing bad language. It works in my household.

    Then there's the part in the ZDNet article about "Hollywood shouldn't force its paying customers to watch those scenes." Excuse me? Last time I checked, Hollywood has not forced me to watch anything. If you don't like nudity and violence in your movies, don't watch R-rated movies. It's simple.

    To the real issue, though, it seems that there is no difference between CleanFlix and ClearPlay. Both want to profit by creating derivative works of copyrighted material. ClearPlay isn't some magical filter that automatically detects bad language and lots of flesh. It is a subscription service that will filter out movies that they have "edited". Same thing, different approach. Expect Hollywood to smack them down.

    Use the rating system folks. It's your friend.

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    1. Re:Forcing you to what? by arkanes · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I disagree - the major difference here between CleanFlix and ClearPlay is that they aren't actually providing edited content, they're allowing you to edit your content - I don't care about CleanFlix one way or another (again, this is a choice of whoever is buying the film), but I can see how they're on pretty shaky legal ground. ClearPlay is different - it's similar to having an index for a book that lets you know what chapters to skip. I see no issues with this, since the choice to use it rests soley with the user (contrary to what some people think, artists don't have some magic right to dictate how I view thier work). Maybe it is stupid, and someone who wants a service like this would be better off just not watching the movie - but so what? If someone wants a movie with the nudity gone, who gives a shit? They paid the money, they can watch whatever bits of it they want.

      Artistic integrity is a smoke screen - while I believe it's certainly possible that some directors are pedantic enough to feel this affects them in some way (you wouldn't believe how silly some of the ones I've worked with got), they need a good smacking. Your creative control ended the moment I gave you (indirectly) money for my DVD. If that bothers you, don't sell your movie and insist on private screenings in controlled theatres

  19. It's not censorship... by Trickster+Coyote · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...when you do it to yourself. It's called freedom of choice. It's only censorship when you prevent someone else from seeing it.

    If I set my /. settings to filter out Jon Katz stories, that's my choice -- not censorship.

    If I fast forward through commercials on a taped broadcast, that my choice -- not censorship.

    If I want to use a DVD player that imports an edit list that filters out the naughty bits, that' my choice -- not censorship.

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  20. Why of course not... by boomgopher · · Score: 2, Funny

    Didn't you know? Hollywood producers/directors are doing everyone a great big favor by educating the planet with their well-balanced world-view. If someone filters or otherwise make any changes the movie, how will their propaga^H^H^H^H^H^H enlightenment work correctly?

    We're trying create a brave new world here people, get with the program...

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  21. WHAT!? by utahjazz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I do believe its everyone's right to do what they wish with their own media

    It's not 'your own media' dude.

    When you download Linux, you DO NOT OWN IT. Copyrights are ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. You only have rights to it, as granted by the owner of the material, and this is how it should be.

    I'll give you a wonderful example. Brigham Young University decided to show Schindler's List to the students. Except, they wanted to show their own version, with all the "offensive content" removed. Speilberg said "no way", and he was fully within his rights to do so.

    If copyright owners are not allowed to control what happens to their work, we could not enfoce the GPL. Free software would die.

    1. Re:WHAT!? by Hobbex · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Spielberg could make the request because showing a movie in front of a large audicience is considered distribution, and thus under copyright, they would need a license from Spielberg to do it. It was then his choice not to allow the distribution of a derived work (kind of like with software licenses).

      This, however, is not about that. There is no copying or distribution - the DVD player simply plays the movie, which is legally obtained, a little differently. In theory, it is no different then fast forwarding past the parts that are considered harmful (or maybe even closing your eyes) - do you think Hollywood should have the right to tell us that is illegal?

      This is not copyright law as it was intended. This is yet another step in the media industry's battle to turn copyright from "I own the right to duplicate this information" to "I own YOU whenever you are in contact with this information". It is quite horrible that there are people like you who actually seem to support the latter definition.

    2. Re:WHAT!? by EschewObfuscation · · Score: 2, Insightful
      It's not 'your own media' dude.

      Bzzt. It's yours if you bought it. The copyright owner no more has the right to stop you from not watching the naughty bits than he does preventing you going to take a leak during the mushy scenes in Top Gun.

      When you download Linux, you DO NOT OWN IT.


      Yes you do. If you want to recompile it so that the TTY outputs in Klingon, no one has the right to tell you not to. If you want to not compile in support for an Appletalk network, you don't have to (even if the standard build you grabbed has it). Likewise, if you buy a copy of the statue of David and want to slap a pair of Levi's on the poor guy - hey, it's your statue.


      Brigham Young University decided to show Schindler's List to the students. Except, they wanted to show their own versi"offensive content" removed. Speilberg said "no way", and he was fully within his rights to do so.

      Perhaps they didn't have the right to broadcast, or to render it for public showing. But if you wanted to buy a copy, and then watch it in fast forward while standing on your head drinking a Pepsi, that's again your right.
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  22. Does this mean? by SB5 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Does this mean that I will be able to get Japanese porn that doesn't pixelize the genitals?

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  23. How about the artists rights - not just consumers? by Morpeth · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Personally, this issue doesn't bother me nearly as much as a lot of other recent news.

    I think when a director releases a film, it's their 'work of art' (whether or not it's a good film) and should be left in tact. They choose the scenes, the camera shots, and yes maybe the gratitious sex, violence, etc. - but their intention is for you to see it the way they, and the studio choose to. And if they choose to do a "Director's Cut" later and add/edit content - that's their choice, as it was their project, they own the rights, NOT the consumers.

    If you don't like 'x' content, then your freedom of choice is to NOT watch the bloody nothing, not to edit or create your own version. You don't like what's out there, then go to film school and learn to make your own movies, but leave another artist's work alone.

    Go ahead, flame away, but I think everybody likes to scream and rant about 'my rights', 'me me me!" and forget others have rights and protections as well.

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  24. And yet... by Guppy06 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "They want to prevent the sale of a special DVD player which can be used to edit out offensive material from a DVD in realtime."

    But they want to require the sale of special DVD players which edit out foreign material from a DVD (ie. region lock-outs).

    I knew the MPAA and the DVD Consortium were two-faced, but this is just ridiculous. About the only common trait between these two positions is the elimination of options from the consumer marketplace.

  25. Filtering advertisements could be next by Traa · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I could see that Hollywood is taking this approach to get a foot in the door for when the more interesting filters start appearing. For example, given the direction that modern advertisements are going I can forsee a future where they become an integrated part movies (they sometimes allready are). It would be in Hollywoods favor to have a case on it's side that helps the ban of 'advertisement-filters'.

  26. Who exactly is "Hollywood"? by FurryFeet · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you do a Google search for news on this device, you'll find out that the movie studios have nothing against it. In fact, they'd like to sell movies to parents that wouldn't buy before because of mature content.
    The suit is being pursued by several directors who insist they have "moral rights" on their films. Now, from their perspective, the device is akin to someone covering the Venus of Milo's breast, or putting duct tape over Goya's Naked Maja. They claim the movie is art.
    So, save the kneejerk reactions and start posting nice.
    For the record, I disagree with the suit, and I think all the device does is automate what I can do myself anyway. I can fast forward boring/sexual/violent parts anyway and they can't do a damn thing about it, so I can't see the problem in making the process more efficient.

  27. Ummm.... by TedTschopp · · Score: 2, Insightful

    OK,

    So what do you have to say about Network Television editing movies for Broadcast Television. Why hasn't there been such a huge outcry?

    Ted

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  28. Re:Artistic Freedom or Copyright? by sdmartin101 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    The first motive might be part of their thinking, but it would have some pretty bizarre upshots in other applications. Neal Stevenson worked long and hard on Crytonomicon, but suppose someone only wants to read the WWII stuff. Is it a violation of his "artistic freedom" for them to just skip over certain chapters? If publishers somehow could audit which chapters people are reading, could they then sue someone who doesn't read the whole book?

    The analogy here to what ClearPlay is doing, I guess, would be someone who puts up a website that says "Chapters a,b,c are about WWII, chapters x,y,z are about the data haven." It's absurd to think that the publisher could force such a website to be taken down.

  29. Re:what amazes me most... by Mitreya · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... is that survey shows that 18% of people think. No, I have not right do do anything AT HOME with MY DVD that might interfere with copyright as the corporations understand it. Hopefully those are people on Hollywood payroll. But if not, that is a serious problem.

  30. Illegal now, hopefully legal soon by adaknight · · Score: 4, Informative

    Check out this legislation - an amendment to the DMCA that will allow exactly this sort of fair use under the law. I hope it passes.

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  31. What else filters are good for by lildogie · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I have a partner who has combat-related PTSD. Artillery, automatic weapons fire and PBR's in a movie will trigger nightmares.

    It would be nice to be able to pre-mute the soundtrack, at least. It's often hard to dance on the mute button to get the dialog and avoid the rat-a-tat-tat.

    This was a particular issue with the movie "The Gods Must Be Crazy." Mostly a charming tale, and the war scenes did have artistic merit, but we would have enjoyed the non-war parts of the movie much more if we could have squelched the guerilla warfare sound effects.

    My point being, it's not all about porn. There are more diverse motivations out here.

  32. We need a simple scene scripting language... by stienman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    We need to add a simple scene scripting language to open source players.

    The players would have to identify the movie inserted, and select a script based on it. The script would, at first, simply be commands like:

    At frame 5,342 mute
    At frame 5,370 unmute
    At frame 8,330 goto frame 9,010
    At frame 10,377 place a black square(x1,y1,x2,y2) with ID 1
    At frame 10,402 move and resize square ID 1 to (x1, y1, x2, y2)
    At frame 10,700 remove square ID 1

    There could be other options such as only viewing a section of the window, zooming it, pixellizing instead of blacking out, etc.

    Such a simple script language could be represented in an XML file and database. You could attach ratings to each particular script action, such that the end user could say, "I don't mind profanity or violence, but cut out the hardcore sex."

    Not only would such an open system allow 'clean' editing (which could be added to a centralized database, much like FreeDB does for CD listings) but you could offer your own move edits - shift scenes around, cut out jar jar, etc.

    -Adam

    1. Re:We need a simple scene scripting language... by stienman · · Score: 2, Informative

      Of course, I should have known that scriptable dvd players were already available from Microsoft and Apple:

      Microsoft offers DVD playback control through Directshow and the MSWebDVD ActiveX Object, which, among other methods, gives you the ability to start a playback session with defined start and end points down to the frame. This is likely the method Clearplay uses, so they don't have to pay for a DVD player license - they simply control the one that is registered with DirectX 8.

      Apple's DVD player is scriptable to some extent with ActiveScript - a tutorial of the process is available. I didn't look closely enough to determine whether it could go to the frame or not...

      I'm sure many linux players can be controlled while playing from the command line, which could easily be scripted, but I doubt current players allow for frame control, and it appears as though none of these methods provide interrupts for when the specified section is done - meaning that you'll be polling the current play time every frame so you don't miss a cut.

      MSWebDVD looks like it'll be the first, easiest method of performing this function, and it would have the widest audience for acceptance. Once people get this function for free on their computers (given that others are willing to create the scripts) then people will be wondering why their home DVD player doesn't have that ability.

      At that point, producers might actually start including the scripts on their DVDs like they were supposed to in the first place - Do you remember when DVDs were first being marketted? One major feature was that the company producing the DVD could put a menu item to automatically cut scenes from the movie for different ratings. Guess what never happened? DVD players can handle it - but no producer's willing to take the time and money.

      It would fix the problem, though, if producers don't want people editing their movies, then they should provide the editings for us. Otherwise, we have no recourse, just as when we had no recourse for watching DVDs on alternative OS's.

      -Adam

  33. I disagree... by TedTschopp · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The orignal is not hurt by putting in code which would skip certain parts. This isn't censorship becuase it allows the orignal to still be viewed. Ted

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  34. Corporate fair use of someone else's work?!? by 90XDoubleSide · · Score: 3, Insightful
    While I don't agree with censorship in general, I do believe its everyone's right to do what they wish with their own media.

    I would make a distinction between the individual's right to modify in any way works they have purchased, without redistributing them, and the right of a corporation to make big bucks selling a machine that has its sole utility in hacking apart other people's art. I have no problem with a machine that edits and replaces parts of the film with the consent and instruction of the artists, but selling unauthorized modifications to someone else's work is clearly not fair use: this is no different from a third party selling DVDs of modified scenes from the original work, it just includes a handy machine to also hack those scenes into the original DVD for you.

    Of course, these objections are pure hypocrisy coming from the same media giants that speed up movies and squish the credits down to a quater of your screen, if they show them at all, but that's a separate issue.

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  35. Product Placement is at stake. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Product placement is at stake here; Hollywood's fallback position to losing whole screen advertizing is advertizing on part of the screen or sound.
    Computers make it easy to add color or Coke. Or to delete color or Coke.
    Make no mistake about it, Hollywood only cares about Money (thus it cares about ads whole or part screen), not bare breasts.

  36. Re:I am on Hollywoods Side by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Somebody compared it to censoring the Venus de Milo. Good enough comparison. If I got a cheap poster of the painting, hung it on my wall, and covered the "obscene" parts with construction paper, would you (1) Send the FBI after me, (2) Send the FBI after the manufacturer of the construction paper, or (3)Call me a prude and get on with your life? If you said (1) or (2), then you'll get along just fine with these directors. If not, then maybe you ought to rethink your position.

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  37. This will be great by technoCon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Then Hollywood will sue all the networks for inserting commercials when they broadcast movies.

    Right?

  38. maybe we will learn how to live without them by swschrad · · Score: 2, Interesting

    and maybe we will be real happy without those usage nazis.

    the first amendment enshrines the freedoms of speech and association. it does not force us to listen to any drooling lunatic on a soap box. and it does not force us to pay money to a bunch of humiliators who want us to squat and say thank you when they dump on us.

    you don't suppose there might be market backlash underway already, people not paying full price for limited access to bad content? hollywood can just go down to the DIVX corner of Circuit City and see how their plans work.

    if there is a floor worker at CC that still remembers DIVX.

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    1. Re:maybe we will learn how to live without them by ceejayoz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'd like to think that the director has the freedom to say "this is the way I want my movie shown" and that the public has the freedom to say "fine, I won't watch that movie because it offends me".

      Imagine making Fight Club, then having someone remove the language, sex, and violence from it.

    2. Re:maybe we will learn how to live without them by WNight · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Wah. Imagine making a shitty movie and having someone hit 'Stop' and watching something better. Would your perfect world allow directors to disable that button too, for fear that someone might not respect their artistic integrity?

      You have no idea if it's my first, or fifteenth time watching a movie. Maybe I want to skip to a certain scene to see a specific actor, or show a friend something. Maybe I want to come in where I left off the week before. Maybe I'm simply smarter than you and your hideous mangling of a movie makes it painful for me to watch some parts that you think are high art. Or, maybe, like the people developing the player, I have decided for my own reasons that I don't like some parts of the movie and I want to watch *my* movie in the way that I want.

      Once you sell something it becomes the property of the purchaser. The only thing copyright prevents is their making copies. You sell all control over everything else when you sell the work. If you insist people watch it your way, don't sell it, play it in carefully controlled environments.

    3. Re:maybe we will learn how to live without them by aborchers · · Score: 3, Interesting

      One of my favorite films I've recently watched was David Lynch's Mulholland Drive. At one point in the movie, I wanted to back up and watch a scene over. Imagine my horror when D.L.'s dedication to his art prevented me doing so! Apparently he had decided that random access to his work was an affront to his creative dignity and did not include scene indexes in the DVD. Nothing but the basic shuttle buttons worked. So, I had to go back to the beginning of the movie and FF back to where I was.

      Note to Hollywood and David Lynch: I loved the film and I would have bought the DVD (I was watching a rental) but after these shenanigans, you can forget it. If all I'm going to get is the cinematic experience, I will see it in the cinema and your DVD can rot on the shelf...

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  39. This really could derail the DMCA by Gerry+Gleason · · Score: 3, Interesting
    The real effect will be to unmask the people pushing this craziness, and show everyone what control freaks they really are. When I first heard about the way Hollywood, and in particular directors were up in arms about the companies that were producing "safe" versions of various movies, I was simpathetic. In fact, what they were doing was producing a derivative work without permission, and Hollywood really had a good case. When you start thinking about providing the consumer with the information necessary to enable their player to do these edits in real time from the original media, I think the jig is up.

    You've got to ask where this would stop. If I want to play pieces of my DVDs cut-up and in whatever sequence I want, that is my right as an owner of the media. My wife often doesn't want to watch anything with extremely violent scenes, and these scenes are rarely important to my enjoyment either (often I'd just as soon have them gone, but not so strongly that I wouldn't watch). There still might be a legal issue WRT the "skip data" because a court may decide this is derived from the original work, but this still shouldn't stop the individual from cutting a work in any way they please.

    Also, if they appose "special" players that can do this, I suppose they want to outlaw any playback through a computer. Even with MS style DRM, computer playback will be likely to give you a lot more flexibility than with any purpose built player. This may, in fact, be the origin of the fact the MS is supporting the electronics industry against the content providers. Ultimately, Hollywood wants to prevent any playback flexibility, which is the whole point of having PC playback anyway.

    Finally, does anyone really think these "special" devices would even work? You're going to have to have some security controls related to loading the "censor" data, and how old do you think the kids have to get before their hacking skills out-distance their parents ability to control these devices. I'm sure that some with some devices all it will take is a power cycle, and you'll be able to play the raw disks again.

  40. sex as the only adult theme? by DrSkwid · · Score: 4, Funny

    yet they keep all the lying, cheating and violence in.

    It's really ironic that the beautiful things need hiding and the distressing things are left in plain view.

    It's bad enough they end up seeing shite like Shallow Hal.

    What films would be on offer anyway?

    Alien
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    Texas Chainsaw Massacre
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    Gang of teenagers go into the woods. One comes out.

    Deep Throat
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    Woman goes to the doctors. The End.

    Pulp Fiction
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    Two guys talk about fast food. Man & woman do a funny dance. Two guys drink coffee.

    Jaws
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  41. Re:what amazes me most... by theedge318 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Dollars to Donuts, the MPAA has a bot that is just flooding the polling server, and accounts for that 18% of the survey. Which just attests to the fact that everyone has responded so resoundingly against the MPAA, that concerned humans (and slashdotters too) are outflooding them.

    I mean really are they next going to tell us that to use the fast forward, pause, and rewind buttons are a violation of the copyright, and if we want to get up and go to the bathroom, or make popcorn, we have to miss the movie just like they intended us to do in the movie theater.

    Well it is quite obvious that all of the Executives have Au Pairs to watch their kids for them while they are off busy at fancy Hollywood parties. They handle the copyright violations by having a person fastforward through the bad bits for their kids.

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  42. Watch out, slashdotters! by bugnuts · · Score: 4, Funny

    If Hollywood wins this, we might have to view all posts at -1.

    ugh.

  43. When the whole "DVD thing" was brand new... by fuxoft · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is weird. I distinctly remember that when the very first DVD players were introduced to the market, the studios advertised this exact feature - the ability to see the same movie "as intended for grown-ups", then for example "as intended for 16-years-old" and the for a small child. The whole page in the Sony DVD brochure was dedicated to nice colorful schematics of scenes/parts of soundtrack being edited out "on the fly" at different points of the movie based on the selected "maturity level"... I thought this sounded rather interesting (from the technical standpoint) and also had a potential to be a lot of fun, and I was sad that none of the released DVDs actually supported this.

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  44. hypocrites by frovingslosh · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Here's the problem: Hollywood is suing to keep this DVD player off the market. The major studios and the Directors Guild of America are essentially saying that, when you buy a DVD, you must watch it exactly the way it was created--or not watch it at all.

    I could almost agree with this, if only these bastard hypoccrites would stick to this principle when the same movie is shown on TV. There they are quite satisfied to let the networks chop the movie to hell, removing not only critical to the story parts, but also things a lot more tame than things that were shown on "Three's Company" decades ago. (I still remember with disgust that CBS cut two Teri Garr lines from Young Frankenstien - "Thank You" and "Here?, Now?" . The studios let them and likely outright helped them.) If a movie can be censored based on some network idiot's whim and then broadcast to others, then you certainly should have the right to censor your own copy in the privacy of your own home.

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  45. Gotta wonder... by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "The major studios and the Directors Guild of America are essentially saying that, when you buy a DVD, you must watch it exactly the way it was created--or not watch it at all."

    I wonder what their attitude would be if one of the words of that quote were changed:

    "The major studios and the Directors Guild of America are essentially saying that, when you buy a DVD, you must watch it exactly the way it was created--or not buy it at all."

    If I were a stockholder in that company, I'd demand to know why they're drawing a line like that for their customers to cross. I mean, if the attitude is "It's our way or the highway", then there's really no reason to think they have customer satisfaction in mind, right? Who'd want to buy a DVD if they're unwilling to listen to people? "Nar, we don't want to put any extras on the DVD. That costs more."

  46. What next? by TarPitt · · Score: 3, Funny

    Filtering out "-1 Troll" posts violates the DMCA?

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  47. Re:what amazes me most... by 87C751 · · Score: 5, Informative
    I mean really are they next going to tell us that to use the fast forward, pause, and rewind buttons are a violation of the copyright

    Too late...
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  48. Re:How about the artists rights - not just consume by rollingcalf · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Sure, that is how you would WANT it. Just like copyright holders want to collect royalties from secondary sales, but don't have the right to do so.

    Skipping certain scenes or muting certain words of a movie is just like ripping pages out of a book or blackening over selected words with a magic marker. No copies are being made or distributed, so copyright law does not prevent the purchasers of the books or movies from deleting any content as they desire. Doesn't matter what you want. Copyright law does not grant infinite control.

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  49. This is Blockbuster Domination Revisited by Dolemite_the_Wiz · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is exactly the manner in which Blockbuster forced Full-Screen movies on the average consumer.

    If you notice, movies made after Blockbuster became a huge mega conglomerate, are made in very close shots so the transfer to Full Screen Videos and DVD's would not be a pan and scan nightmare. Hollywood's standards are to shoot movies in this manner because of Blockbuster's influence. The same thing will happen if this DVD maker gets his way. Hollywood will further censor and place more stingent policies that will take away a screenplay/Director's vison than they already do.

    Movies made before Blockbuster are cenematically better and more creative than movies made now a days. (Independent movies aside)

    If this tool is to be allowed into peoples homes, it will put a permanent, negative, and irreversable mark into the creativity of movie making.

    If you don't want you or your kids watch potentially offensive material...DONT FRIGGN WATCH IT!!!!

    Censorship in TV and the movies are bad enough as it is. Check out the Problems Jimmy Kimmel has with his show. This is but an example of what happens when stupidity and Political Correctness goes unchecked.

    We don't need another homoginization or censorship of creativity.

    Dolemite

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  50. Hollywood may regret this by Otisserie · · Score: 2, Insightful

    By fighting a device that cleans up movies, Hollywood may go a long way towards convincing some of the more pro-business members of Congress to support consumer fair use legislation. Those guys are generally all for big business rights over the consumer, UNLESS that business is forcing decent people to watch smut.

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  51. Censorship and Fair Use by Astral+Jung · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Ok, here's my opinion on it.

    If I own a DVD, it's well within my rights if I don't want to see it all the way through, mute some parts, hear some parts in a provided alternate language track, watch it backwards, or skip over parts I don't want to see. Consider: if I feel that the best way to experience looking at a painting I own is to look at it standing on my head, no one has any right to criticize. You may think me silly, but you can't say I can't do that, even if you painted it.

    Censorship implies that there is a third party (such as the government) interceding and preventing the original art from being shown. In the case of the Brigham Young University viewing of Schindler's List, it is censorship because it wasn't a private viewing by a home video owner, but a public showing, and BYU wanted to censor what it considered offensive. That is a case where the artist has a right to prevent a showing.

    On-the-fly editing is not censorship. If I choose to see the film in such a manner as I see fit, the director has no right to say I can't, because I'm not imposing my view onto others, like BYU was by wanting to show a film deviating from the artist's vision.

    By extension, I think ClearPlay is perfectly legal. ClearPlay is not distributing any version of the film, it is providing a method of playing studio-made DVDs while editing on the fly. The viewer and owner of the disc needs to agree that she wants to see the film in the way proscribed by ClearPlay (by paying the service fee ClearPlay charges), and therefore I consider it legitimate.

    For what it's worth, I wouldn't pay a monthly fee for access to editing filters I can't save or edit myself. I WOULD buy a player or playing software that would allow me to impose my own filter.

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  52. Legal basis? by pruss · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What is supposed to be the legal basis for the prohibition? Is it that the CSS license prohibits the DVD player manufacturer from including this functionality, so this manufacturer is violating the contract, or is it that they haven't licensed CSS decryption and are using some derivative of decss that might violate the DMCA, or is it just that showing snipped versions is illegal?

    The last would be absurd, even though that's what it sounds like from the article. The first would make sense: if the DVD manufacturer is violating a contract, then that's wrong. The second is more controversial. But as for the third, surely it would not be illegal for a person operating a VCR to have a sheet of paper with a bunch of time codes, and to fast forward appropriately according to the sheet. And if it would be OK for a person to do it, why would it be wrong for the person to deputize a machine to do it?)

    Those of us in education feel quite free to show clips from rented videos. Our university counsel has no objection as far as I know (I queried about my own classroom practises). But the fast-forward thing just is the same kind of thing--just think of a bunch of clips.

    (Next they'll want to prohibit me from turning my head away from a scene I don't want to watch!)

  53. In other news ... movie viewers sued for lateness by rollingcalf · · Score: 2, Funny

    Movie viewers were sued by the MPAA for turning up 5 minutes late at the theater. Their tardiness caused them to miss the first 5 minutes of the movie, which wreaked irrepairable and irreversible damage to the directors in Hollywood, because unless every viewer sees 100% of every film, their artistic reputation will be destroyed.

    At the same theater, other viewers were sued for going to the bathroom in the middle of the film or leaving early. The amount of compensation sought in the lawsuits was based on the length of time the viewers had missed from the film, so eventually they decided it was not worth it to sue a young lady who covered up her eyes for 2.3 seconds during the beheading scene.

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  54. Re:Here's two ideas. Ok. More than that. by BrookHarty · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yes, filtering can be overdone. Hell, half the articles on Slashdot are about people going to the extreme. Copyrights, DMCA, DRM, its all whack-a-mole politics.

    But some things come down to, "Humm, Good Idea". And letting people filter, or modify the content they already paid for seems good to me. I do know some PG13 movies, might have a couple minutes that I dont want my 6yo to watch, so it could come in handy. But more likely, I will just watch movies after they goto bed. Biggest thing I want filtering for, is to get rid of the commericals on Disney movies. First 10 minutes are nothing but damn previews and soft drink commericals. At least 8x FF takes care of it quickly. (For now)

    BTW, whats the minister daughters name? ;)

  55. Different rated versions by anakin876 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Maybe somebody else remembers this, but back when DVD players were first coming into the consumer marketplace, one the selling points was that there would be a system in place to do exactly this! At the beginning of the movie you could decide if you wanted to watch a R, PG-13, or whatever version. I remember being quite excited at the time because then I would finally be able to convince my parents to let me watch all those big bad R-rated films. I never actually saw a DVD with this system, but I do dostinctly remember the makers touting it.

  56. Re:what amazes me most... by Reziac · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And as I recall, we're "stealing" from spammers when we filter spam out of our email, too.

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  57. Copyright law is same for books, art, movies,music by GoldTeamRules · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Certainly the courts would not rule as illegal any of the following acts:

    • Tearing an offensive advertisement from a magazine you've purchased.
    • Skipping a track on a CD, or programming a CD player to only play select songs from a CD you own.
    • Marking up a book you own, crossing out words, or tearing out pages.
    • Putting a bumper sticker over an offensive portion of a print or poster that you've bought.

    NONE of these acts are any different from programming a DVD player to skip offensive portions of a movie you've purchased!

    Either these acts are all illegal or the aren't. It's as simple as that! DVD's don't deserve special treatment.

    If the courts rule in favor of Hollywood on this one, it will set a dangerous precendent...

  58. Logical progression by mihwlook · · Score: 2, Interesting
    They should probably get to work on disabling the power button on TV's during commercial breaks, too - and perhaps chaining viewers to their chairs and holding their eyelids open, too.

    How far will we let them go?

  59. Re:Go Hollywood! "Piglet's mangled corpse" ?! by Carbon+Unit+549 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Oh bother," said Pooh, as he hid Piglet's mangled corpse. dbishop

    Jesus, with a sig like that this guy is complaining about "gory violence" in movies!

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  60. And one other thing by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Seems many "artists" these days forget this so it bears repeating here: The right to free speech does not give you the right to be heard.

    You are free to produce and sell movies. That does not compel people to watch them as you intended. You may intend for a person to see your movie on a large screen with a DD 5.1 sound mix, watched start to finish with no interruptions. If you release it on DVD, people are perfectly free to buy that DVD, watch it on a shitty TV with 2-track sound, decide it sucsk, fastforward through it looking for nudiy, and then rip it out and skeet shoot it (throw it in the air and shoot it with a shotgun). This certianly is not what you want them to see, but it isn't your right to dictate that.

    A person can stand in a park and preach all day long, but they can't force you to allow them into your home so they can preach to you all the time.

  61. No one left to speak up for you. by TheLink · · Score: 2, Interesting

    First they came for the DeCSS nerds, and I did not speak out - because I was not a nerd.

    Then they came for the modchippers, and I did not speak out - because I was not a modchipper.

    Then they came for the Tivo/Replay users, and I did not speak out - because I didn't have one.

    Then they came for the people who skipped parts of movies, and I did not speak out because I didn't watch movies.

    Then they came for those who didn't want to watch the movie at all.

    And by that time there was no one left to speak out for me.

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  62. define censorship by m_c_rose · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Censorship is forced it is not something you choose. If I choose to not see content that is a right, it is not the loss of rights as censorship implies. By not allowing you to choose what you do or do not wish to see, the disallowment of a device such as this to be released on the market is the true censorship.