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Latest ID Theft Tactic: Fake Job Listings

citking writes "News.com.com reports that, in an attempt to curb identity theft on its service, online career listing site Monster.com has begun warning its users of fake job postings bent on stealing personal information. 'Regrettably, from time to time, false job postings are listed online and used to illegally collect personal information from unsuspecting job seekers', according to an e-mail sent by the company yesterday to registered users. With the increasingly difficult job market, things such as background checks and non-disclosure agreements are becoming more and more difficult to avoid, so where does one draw the line for giving out personal information in response to a classified ad? CNN has a small article about this as well."

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  1. Attention! by BabyDave · · Score: 3, Funny

    Have you been a victim of identity fraud?
    Don't know where to turn?

    Well worry no longer! I can track down all activities of your online "alter ego", and for free! To apply, simply supply me with the following personal details, and I will search for all online transactions using these details

    • Full name
    • Address
    • Age
    • Gender
    • National Insurance Number/Social Security Number
    • Credit Card type, number and expiration date
    • Bank account details
    • Mother's maiden name
    • Favourite colour
    1. Re:Attention! by SmackCrackandPot · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What amazes me is the number of people who use Morpheus and Kazaa, and still keep their CV's resumes, reports, documents, cover letters, bank statements, sales figures, visa applications in their shared directories.

      (Those are all useful keywords to search for :)

  2. Nigerian Job Offers by SourceHammer · · Score: 4, Funny


    So when the job offers from Nigeria that need my bank account number to pay me start arriving , I will know what to do.

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  3. How long before... by Aliencow · · Score: 2, Interesting

    These people just all get sued and jailed ? I don't understand how can some people get away with theft of privacy and that kind of stuff in a country such as ours. I guess the temporary technological solution would be to create a special email account just for your resume, and ask people to contact you through email for more info... But I bet employers won't like that...

  4. My name. by cperciva · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I draw the line at my name. If that, and Google, isn't enough for a potential employer to know if they are interested enough to interview me, I'm not interested in working for them.

    Sure, they'll need to know more details eventually; but that can wait until after I've met them in person.

    1. Re:My name. by jimm · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I googled(tm) for "cperciva". I found a lot of links to your Slashdot posts and user page. Are you sure you want employers to see that?

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    2. Re:My name. by Simon+Brooke · · Score: 2, Funny
      I draw the line at my name. If that, and Google, isn't enough for a potential employer to know if they are interested enough to interview me, I'm not interested in working for them.

      D Phil at Oxford in Computational Number Theory, eh? You're probably right. Lesser mortals, however, may not be so lucky.

      Still, I like your arrogance.

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      I'm old enough to remember when discussions on Slashdot were well informed.
  5. Sending resumes out never works anyway. by callipygian-showsyst · · Score: 4, Informative
    Take the advice of someone who just changed jobs--answering ads never (well, almost never) works anyway.

    In this economy, employers get THOUSANDS of resumes for every job posting. Most of course, are garbage dot-com resumes or from other unqualified individuals. It's nearly impossible for a good resume to break through the signal-to-noise ratio.

    And high-quality companies will not have to resort to advertising jobs in this economy, except to fulfill some "equal opportunity" requirement, showing that all new jobs are publically posted.

    My advice: Stay away from Monster and other job boards. Get friends who are working at the companies you're interested in to submit your resume for you. If you have no contacts in a particular company, hand deliver your resume, or send it US mail. At least, your resume will stand out this way.

    1. Re:Sending resumes out never works anyway. by Billly+Gates · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I just went to www.yellowpages.com and looked up local businesses in my area. I then call them and ask if they are hiring. It's as simple as that. I got my last job doing this. Cold calling sucks but it works and you do not have to compete with thousands upon thousands of other potential candidates. It also shows the employer that you went out of your way for this job and you want it.

      According to various newspaper companies, the amount of jobs being listed in the classifieds is the lowest it has been since 1960. It is very bad if you're unemployed currently. I went to a job expo and there were literally tens of thousands of unemployed job seekers for only a few dozen jobs at the most. It was terrible. The energy crisis is definitely not helping the situation either. Pray that things go well in Iraq and that the oil fields are not burned or damaged.

      According to NPR if Sadaam burns his own oil fields analysts predict prices will rise to $80 a barrel! This would make gas $4.00 a gallon! This will differently bring the country into a deeper recession rivaling the 1930's and bring tens of more millions of people into the unemployment line competeting with you for any job.

  6. Ironic by Patrick13 · · Score: 2, Funny

    At the bottom of the News.com article is this link:

    "Wanted: Tech professionals needed at top companies now"

    I don't see any warnings about ID theft there, though...

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    1. Re:Ironic by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 2, Informative

      "Wanted: Tech professionals needed at top companies now [zdnet.com]"

      Yeah, that is an excellent link - to Dice.com, a job site that is in Chapter 11 bankrupty. Good thing, too. Their jobs are always the same, and their site is as buggy as all get out.

  7. I thought job agancies already did this by zenst · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I find this extreemly funny considering the number of job agencies that have been partaking in the practice of false job adverts for as long as I can remember, purly to get people on there books and CV's registered with them. It would seem they fear the competition, or is this there way of coping out the fact they dont vet jobs/job advertisers at all.

  8. The line is drawn at where no information is given by lavalyn · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Beyond the public knowledge of name, there really isn't any reason to give any information to untrusted sources.

    Even if monster had absolute highest employer screening methods, you are still trusting that monster has a secure server, that their network infrastructure is resistant to attack, that monster's employees will not illegitimately sell off your information, or anything else.

    All this hassle and the hiring rates out of these sites remains dismal because there are so many applicants. To any unemployed /.ers out there, I suggest you read "What Color is Your Parachute?" by Richard Bolles. And follow its advice of hunting for jobs on foot.

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  9. Lucky for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Luckily, when I was young and stupid(er) I completely futzed up my credit rating, so I don't have to worry about identity theft. There's no credit card company that would have anything to do with me!

  10. Severe penalties by BWJones · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A friend of ours has regrettably had to undergo the torture that identity theft wreaks on ones life. Unfortunately, the laws concerning and consequences of this type of crime are not commensurate with the damage they cause. This friend is one of the hardest workers I know, has worked his way through school as a janitor in public schools, got into a reputable graduate program but yet because of identity theft, has major difficulty purchasing a house, car or whatever. Yet the guy that did the theft and applied for all of this credit simply got a year in jail and a small fine.

    If you steal ones identity, are found guilty of such crime, you should become an indentured servant of sorts having a portion of all your earnings being taken for compensation appropriate to the damage you cause. The frustrating thing is that many of these people that go about stealing identities appear to be functioning members of society and for whatever reason see fit to steal a family members, friends, or strangers identity and run up thousands of dollars of false debt.

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    1. Re:Severe penalties by Rubik+Penguin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Prevention would be better than a cure. Credit companies on receipt of a credit/loan application should write to the employer asking for confirmation the person is employed there. The letter should ask the employer to pass on to the employee an attached letter that tells the employee he/she has applied for credit and how to contact the credit company if he/she hasn't made the application.

      Only when employer confirms and employee doesn't complain is it safe to advance any money.

      Current practice of lending money without properly verifying the identity of the applicant is the real crime here.

  11. Against Monster terms of use... by $$$$$exyGal · · Score: 3, Funny
    The placement of such false job postings is a violation of the Monster terms of use ...

    Gosh, I hope so ;-).

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  12. Damn . . . by dannyweb · · Score: 5, Funny

    . . . I guess that means I didn't get the job.

  13. Job - Software Developer by polv0 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Industry leading Games Development Company seeking talented software developers to work for both stock options and salary!!

    Excellent opportunity for pseudo-elite narcissistic code-monkeys with mediocre GPA's, 2 years Everquest experience and a predilection for sleazy pornography.

    Starting salary $75k-$100k ***


    *** In order to be eligible for this introductory salary offer, please sign and overnight the available forms at reputable recruiting services.

  14. Worked for me by mattACK · · Score: 3, Informative
    I listed on Computerjobs in May. I had a great job in one week at a large company. This is not an advertisement, I assure you. It is simply a reminder not to leave any stone unturned; it could happen to you.

    Of course, YMMV.

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    "My God, this must be a truly remarkable corn chip, to be so widely and confidently touted."
  15. Fake Job Listing as Sales Tool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    One company I worked for routinely posted hundreds of fake job listings in order to locate companies and individuals who might be potential buyers of its product. Even though I don't work there any more I still see their adds from time to time. For example you sell a replacement/competitor to the "widget" tool. You run an add asking for "extensive widget experience". You then review the experience history to find out where the applicant used "widget" at. Those are the companies you direct your sales staff to call on.

  16. Watch out for cults to by Monkelectric · · Score: 3, Interesting
    A friend of mine interviewed for this company that seemed really interested in him, until he found out they were a *cult* structured as a corporation. I can't remember the scam, but basically they sold worthless coupon books and had to do things like meet rediculous sales quotas and go on their "sales trips" (which they had a tendancy to LEAVE people stranded 500 miles from home as punishment). They also work you 16 hours a day for no pay, discourage you from talking to anyone not in the company, etc etc. I've forgotten the name and link to the cult, If you know it, please post it.

    Anyways, you'll get alot of e-mails from them on job sites as well.

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    Religion is a gateway psychosis. -- Dave Foley

    1. Re:Watch out for cults to by freeweed · · Score: 2, Funny

      Sounds like Amway to me.

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      Endless arguments over trivial contradictions in books written by ignorant savages to explain thunder in the dark.
  17. Amen to that by Syncdata · · Score: 4, Funny

    It took me about 1 week to realize that these job boards were about as likely to get me a job as my affinity for IPA. The problem with these boards, is two fold:

    1. The employer never sees you in your nice crisp suit as you deliver the resume.
    2. The employer never has your resume on his desk, in physical form, printed on quality paper stock.

    From the employers point of view, it's nice for them to know that an applicant is capable of completing a task, even one as mundane as locating their office, and delivering a resume, without accidently lighting him/herself on fire along the way.

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    "Inattention makes clowns of us all" -Bean
    1. Re:Amen to that by callipygian-showsyst · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Here's a trick that worked for me:

      I realize that you can't walk into a large company, get to see a hiring manager, and hand him your resume. Still, you need to get above the noise. Quality employers get THOUSANDS of resumes, mostly junk, for every posting.

      So, what I did was get some of those yellow string-fasterner "Interoffice Memo" envelopes at an office supply store. I drove around to the companies I was interested and gave my resume to the receptionist in one of these envelopes marked "HR/Staffing".

      My theory was that resumes that got to HR this way would be presumed to be from an employee! While I can't prove the exact reason why this worked better, I can say that I got a response to nearly all resumes I submitted this way! It's worth a try.

    2. Re:Amen to that by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So, how many interviews are you looking at?

      --
      "We returned the General to El Salvador, or maybe Guatemala, it's difficult to tell from 10,000 feet"
  18. Another reason to avoid them... by stevey · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is just another reason to avoid agencies, they truly are a parasitic bunch.

    Over here in the UK I was looking for work last year, and scoured the local agencies. Many, many times I'd apply for a position only to be told eventually that it didn't exist. The agency just wanted to know how many Perl Programmers were around.

    Worse than that, though, is the way that several agencies will advertise the same position with subtly different descriptions - and you don't realise until you get called for an interview. In one case an agency told me that they wouldn't put me forward for a position I was applying for because I'd also registered with another agency!

    I've started keeping track of bad (and the rare good) agencies in Edinburgh - if you're local feel free to look at the list and submit your experiences.

    (Yes that was a plug, and yes the section needs updating)

  19. Oh Darn by dannyweb · · Score: 2, Funny

    I guess i didn't win 10,000,000 either.:(

  20. Re:Attention! (my name?) by $$$$$exyGal · · Score: 5, Funny
    My name?:
    Homer: I'm Homer Simpson.
    Fat Tony: The same Homer Simpson who crashed his car through the wall of our club?
    Homer: Uh... actually my name is Barney. Barney Gumble.
    Les: The same Barney Gumble who keeps taking pictures of my sister?
    Homer: Uh, actually my real name is uh, think Krusty, think, Joe Valachi.
    Louie: The same Joe Valachi who squealed to the Senate Committee about organized crime?
    Homer: Benedict Arnold!
    Legs: The same Benedict Arnold who plotted to surrender West Point to the hated British?
    Homer: D'oh!
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  21. How many people get jobs through this method? by larien · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Seriously... Where I work, we're going through a round of layoffs. One girl left on Thursday and heard about 3 jobs all through word of mouth which probably never got advertised (although 2 might get advertised now). I'm finishing at the end of March and about the best lead I've had has been through word of mouth (someone from elsewhere in the company is starting there soon and he happened to know there was another post going at the company).

    I got my current job because I went to Uni with someone who was already working there; the interview was basically "this is what you have to do. How much would you like?"

    Unfortunately, it's not always what you know, it's who you know that gets you a job.

  22. Welcome to the contractor world! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If the agencies want CV's they put in fake adverts.

    If they want to know contact names for employers, they ask you for references from your last employer.

    If anyone advertises a job, everyone else advertises the same spec, only 'nicer' then submits your CV to the first agency without the contact details and asks for a cut.

    If they want to know whose hiring they quiz you on any interviews you've attended recently.

    In reality the only real jobs come from family and friends who happen to need work done.

    I have programmer friends who work in gas stations, as cleaners, shelf stackers and other manual jobs and they're lucky they have those. Competition is tough in the manual labour market aswell.

    Dubyas an ass.

  23. The left hand giveth, and the right hand ... by Lumpish+Scholar · · Score: 4, Insightful
    (Sorry, longish; skim the first quote if you want.)

    I checked my job-search-only e-mail account, and found this message from Monster:

    Dear Monster Member,

    This is a critical service message regarding your use of Monster:

    Regrettably, from time to time, false job postings are listed online and used to illegally collect personal information from unsuspecting job seekers. The placement of such false job postings is a violation of the Monster Terms of Use and may also be a criminal violation of federal and/or state law.

    Monster is dedicated to stopping this abuse and providing the safest possible environment for you to search and apply to jobs and manage your career.

    Here are some important tips to use when dealing with prospective employers:
    * Do not give your social security number, even if they suggest that it is for a "routine background check."
    * Do not provide credit card or bank numbers, or engage in any monetary transactions.
    * Do not provide any non-work related personal information (i.e. social security number, eye color, marital status etc.) over the phone or online.
    * Be cautious when dealing with contacts outside of your own country.
    * Read the article, "Protect Your Personal Info." here:
    http://resume.monster.com/dosanddonts/personalinfo /

    If you see a questionable job posting or site activity, please report the suspected fraud to Monster at reportfraud@monster.com

    If you think you have been a victim of fraud, immediately report the committed fraud to your local police and contact Monster at reportfraud@monster.com, so steps can be taken for your safety.

    Regards,
    Heather Abbey
    Monster Seeker Support

    Monster respects your online time and privacy. This is a one-time service related email to notify all Monster users about job search safety issues.

    Questions? Email us directly at mayday@monster.com. Please do not reply to this email.

    To read the Monster Privacy Commitment, visit http://about.monster.com/privacy/.

    Monster, 5 Clock Tower Place, Ste 500, Maynard, MA 01754
    Okay, nice of them to look out for me. So I log into Monster, and what's the very first thing I see?
    Welcome back to My Monster!

    Lock in the lowest student loan rate in history!

    Do you have more than $10,000 in outstanding student loans? If so, you may be able to lock in an interest rate below 4% and reduce your monthly payment by up to 50% through a Federal Consolidation Loan through College Loan Corporation.

    * Required Information

    * Yes No Do you have more than $10,000 in outstanding student loans?
    * Yes No Are you currently out of school or will you be leaving school within the next 6 months?
    * Yes No Are you currently in default or more than 60 days delinquent on any student loans?

    * Home Telephone
    * Last School Attended
    * Date of Birth (Must be 21 or over)

    By clicking yes below, I authorize College Loan Corporation to access available data regarding my outstanding federal education loans to determine my eligibility. I will also receive additional information regarding consolidation, and a Consolidation Loan application. I understand that Federal regulations require a borrower who has federal education loans held by a single lender to request consolidation from that lender. Monster may share my name, address, phone number, email address, and date of birth with CLC.

    Yes, send me loan information from CLC!

    No, Thanks
    This was on a web page served by FastWeb ("a Monster company"). I had to click "No" to get to my Monster home page.

    Ug.

    P.S.: My journal contains the stupidest, funniest job ads I've come across in the past year.
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  24. What about legitimate companies? by pacc · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The trend around here is that temporary worker providers is getting into more and more advanced markets, and the positions filled can't always be said to be temporary.

    When one of these companies are hired for recruiting services for their customers you can get disclaimers that the applications can be used for statistical or 'corporate purposes within the said firm.

    Isn't it a more immediate threat that more and more information is processed by these kind of middlemen with no real ethics of their own other than to find new ways to earn money. I think that any data could be used for data-mining, and if you have to attach disclaimers of your own to prevent it I can't see that it will be some rare exceptions...

  25. Past employers as well! by BrianH · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Don't forget BOSSES! I had the joy of working for a small dotcom with poor management a number of years back, and bailed after six months when our paychecks started showing up late and when I walked into accounting and saw the accountants desk covered in "Past Due!" and "Final Collections Notice!" letters.

    A year later, I'd heard they'd gone under and had almost forgotten about them when I tried to refinance my wifes car and was turned down because of poor credit. Poor credit?!?! I'm a homeowner, I have five credit cards, and two car loans, and I had never been so much as a day late in making a payment. I had 10 years of history, and all my balances were low. So what do you think I found when I pulled my 3 agency report? A $1,400+ dollar Pacific Bell phone bill in collections, that went to CarHunting.Com Inc (they can't sue me for slander, the FBI is still trying to track the owner down for defrauding creditors and employees). A call to a couple former employees revealed that the companies phone service had been shut off shortly after I left, and that the owner had used MY name and MY SSN to secure a new account and get them turned back on. Most NORMAL people at that point would think that a simple phone call to the phone company could straighten this out, right? Wrong. It took two years of fighting, and three investigations, before the phone company would finally acknowledge that the bill wasn't mine and remove it from my credit report. Even the notarized affidavits from former employees, and work records showing that I'd been working soemwhere else at the time, weren't enough to convince them that it wasn't my bill. In fact, it wasn't until I hired a lawyer and the lawyer started talking to the FTC and they began talking about lawsuits for FCRA violations that the phone company finally caved and removed the bill.

    So the risk soesn't exist only when applying for a job, but during and after your job as well. And it's ALWAYS a pain in the butt to fix this kind of stuff. A simple rule of thumb though, is to ONLY give personally identifiable information (birthdates, SSN's, etc) to companies that you can verify are real and trustworthy. And DON'T work for scum. If a company will screw its customers, it'll probably screw its employees too.

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  26. fake jobs... by pebs · · Score: 2, Funny

    I've applied for many fake jobs. I can tell they are fake because I never get a response back.

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  27. Re:MYTH: There are unwilling identity theft victim by AMuse · · Score: 3, Informative

    You're using logical inconsistancy here. Though the credit card companies are the customers of the credit bureaus, you *ARE* getting ripped off if someone fradulently assumes your identity to rack up false credit charges.

    If your credit record is tarnished, it can be more difficult to:

    * Buy a house
    * Rent an apartment
    * Buy/lease/rent a car
    * Obtain airline tickets
    * Get a job! (Yes, employers now check credit records)

    All of the above is more aggravated by the fact that the credit card companies, far from being inconvenienced much by the theft, acutally BENEFIT in the form of offering you only extremely high interest loans for some very important things. Try to buy a house in the SF Bay Area on bad credit. Got $800,000 cash, right now, in your bank account? Sorry.

    Clever troll, but people whose reputations in a digital world get tarnished are victims, and DO deserve recourse.

  28. Someone didn't think this through... by cicatrix1 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Who's bright idea was it to market to the unemployed? Isn't that sort of a bad target audience?

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  29. No real loss to me. by /dev/trash · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I gave up looking online for a job about 9 months ago. It's pretty much just a way to sell ads and to collect info.

  30. some stats by bdavenport · · Score: 3, Interesting

    having been laid off two weeks ago, i was fortunate enough that my employer provided us with a company that helps you with your soft skills - e.g. resume writing, interviewing help, job search tips, some national job database sites, etc.

    we were told that approx. 60-80% of jobs are in the 'hidden' market and that roughly 50% of people who find there next job find it via networking. for IT postions we were told roughly 10-15% find their next job listed on sites like monster, careerbuilder, etc.

    so while it is certainly not out of the realm of possibility, we were instructed how to network, even if you don't know a single person at the firm you are targeting. dealing with HR is one of the best ways to assure yourself you won't find a job.

    good luck to all those looking for work!

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  31. Zero Knowledge by Vagary · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The problem is that employers, for whatever reason, want all sorts of information that they don't need. What's needed are some digital certificates to replace all these numbers.

    Need to know if I can legally work in the country? Here's my certificate from HRDC. Need to give me a paycheck? Here's a unique deposit number from my bank. Need to do a credit check? Here's a certificate from my bank. etc.

  32. Headhunters HOSE your resume� by wowbagger · · Score: 3, Interesting

    As one of the senior engineers where I work, I not only design code, but I look over resumeés that we get in to evaluate technical competence.

    I can tell you this - after a headhunter firm gets done with your resumeé, it will look like hammered shit with a side order of pus.

    When I've created a resumeé, I laser printed it on high rag content, off white bond with matching envelopes. It was laid out logically, with a proper cover letter. I followed every rule of style, every trick of layout to make my resumeé stand out.

    What I've seen from the headhunters were low-rez fuzzy pixelated faxes that looked like the original was laid out by a blind spastic monkey with no comprehension of the English language.

    We would pull in a somewhat promising candidate and I'd say "Well, on your resumeé it says you have experience in C++ - " "WHAT? I'm a COBOL programmer - let me see that".

    I'd far rather talk to somebody who showed the initiative to send us his resumeé directly than somebody who just sent his CV to a headhunter.

    (And yes, I have recommended to my boss that we not use those headhunter firms again.)