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Distros To Try: Slackware 9.0-rc1 And Yoper 1.0
FrosGate writes "Slackware 9.0-rc1 is now available for public consumption over at www.slackware.com. From the site: 'Some of the main components included are the 2.4.20 Linux kernel, KDE 3.1, GNOME 2.2, and XFree86 4.3.0, as well as gcc-3.2.2 and the latest development libraries. Enjoy!' Enjoy is right!" And Scorchen writes "YOPER has released Version 1.0 of their increasingly popular distro. This is the their first stable release." Here's the announcment. The website claims "With Yoper it is possible to import packages from all the other major distros including rpm's, deb's, and tgz packages."
Latest GCC, latest stable kernel, latest GNOME, latest KDE, latest Xfree86, and yet solid as a rock :)
"Backups are for wimps. Real men upload their data to an FTP site and have everyone else mirror it." -- Linus Torvalds
Ya know, ftp.slackware.com had JUST quieted down enough for the -current mirrors to rsync to a reasonably-recent version. At least I grabbed everything up to when Patrick threw in the Sendmail fix....
Just make sure you select English as your language before you boot (unless you injoy using Linux with a German attitude.)
This distro of Linux is geared more twards grade school students, but it is still a very good distro and it runs compleatly from the CD. Good for those who just don't want to commit a hard drive to Linux but want to use it.
Losing faith in humanity one person at a time.
If you download the '-en' version of the ISO, it's default language is English.
Um, there was no Slackware 5. Patrick jumped from 4 to 7.
BTW, Patrick, you and your distro both kick ass. Keep the faith!
Well, when you want a system to run exactly the way you want it, Debian's not the answer. Slack is. You set it up with minimalist stuff, set up the server(s) and log out. Log in ONLY for bug patches.
It'll run for months on end, or until you need to upgrade it. Really, it's best for 1 solid server. Web, mail, SMB, NFS. you name it, but I'd have each box with its own server (unless you're really cutting corners).
I just like the way that the Yoper people claim that it's the most stable system they've used for 20 years, and then turn around and point out that the current version is a release candidate with a testing version of KDE installed and that if you want stability they suggest you don't install KDE. ... which sort of defeats the purpose of running Yoper rather than any other distro - the big difference between the distributions is how well they integrate the desktop environments and how sensible and stable their defaults are (not to mention linking tools against the desktop environments if possible for a cleaner behaviour).
And of course, don't forget to checkout Dropline GNOME for Slackware. It's a GNOME-based desktop, similar to Ximian GNOME--instead of the plain GNOME packages shipped with slackware, you get an interface that has been tweaked to near-perfection and tons of extras (such as PAM support, allowing normal users to perform "root" tasks such as setting the time and date, and FAM, making Nautilus show up-to-date view of your file system) to make your desktop truely usable. You can learn more at www.dropline.net/gnome.
(And yes, I'm the main Dropline developer, so this is a bit of a plug and should be interpreted as such...)
Before peoiple start asking, there is NO official iso for rc1 yet. However, plenty of people make them, and if you're interested, you can visit #slackware on irc.freenode.net, or some other slackware channel. I'll be happy to provide you with the iso i make on a regular basis.
/a/glibc* first /a/sed*, /a/elflibs*, /a/pkgtools*
In addition, slackware.com has very limited bandwith. Be gentle with it, use one of the mirrors. It's hard for those mirrors to sync the updates regularly as it is.
For those who wonder, if upgrading from 8.1 to 9.0rc1 is possible - yes, it is. I don't think there's an official document that specifically talks about 8.x to 9.0 upgrade. If you're interested, please be careful, and backup of course. [i just upgraded live 8.1 to 9.0rc1 two days ago, and here are few things to keep in mind:
- upgradepkg [--install-new sometimes] is your friend
- upgradepkg
- next couple packages to upgrade are
- keep couple terminals open, with some tools in memory, say midnight commander. they may save your life if needed
- for people with nvidia cards, if you upgrade xfree to 4.3, you probably should also recompile the nvidia drivers, and install nvidia glx stuff. for that, you'll have to have kernel compiled with your fresh new compiler [gcc3.2.2].
To sum it up, if you're interested, visit #slackware on irc.freenode.net, and somebody may answer your questions. Slackware 9.0rc1 works well, and as slackware goes - it is very stable, simple and elegant.
--- d'oh
Slackware 8.1 is currently my linux distro of choice. I've used redhat, debian, gentoo, and mandrake (for about 20 min) in the past. But I settled on Slackware because, like FreeBSD, its easier to figure out what is going on behind the system, and why. The /etc/rc.d directory is very easy to follow and understand.
My ONLY complaint with slackware is installing new software, and updating existing software. I don't mind the source approach, but I wish it implemented FreeBSD's ports, or emerge from Gentoo, or something similar. Basically, some option to update or install something with minimal effort. I would have stuck with gentoo if it didn't change /etc so radically. Learning Gentoo is like learning a whole new flavor of unix, rather than "another linux distro".
Does anyone know if slackware plans on coming up with its own package or source based install/update solution akin to FBSD's ports, pkg_add, or gentoo's emerge, or debian's apt-get? Something that settles dependencies.
-RobertI got a box running testing/unstable it has all the bleeding edge packages and that baby is anything but unstable.
Check out thisfor using apt with more than one source.
Yea, stable is way to old for the desktop..
is that they have different dependency chains. Before I saw the glory of Debian Linux (I use non-free packages, so it isn't GNU/Linux) I tried using Redhat RPMs with Mandrake 7.something.
Each app wanted a different version of glibc or a different version of libfoo, and it eventually got to the point where I gave up.
I use debian for prepackages software and compile from source when no packages are available. Debian packages are of the highest quality, every one of them contains man documentation and stuff as well as a fully-integrated distro menu for those "other" window managers like windowmaker and blackbox.
If they made it work, then congrats to them. I just won't be betting on it any time soon.
You can't judge a book by the way it wears its hair.
steps: /tmp or /bigemptydirectory- 2.4.20.tar.bz2 /usr/src /tmp/linux-2.4.20.tar.bz2 #makes the linux subdir ... Do a bunch of stuff, drill down through menus disabling anything you don't have, and selecting the things you need in menus ... then...
/etc/lilo.conf and check to see if it is to your liking. If not, edit then run:
cd
wget http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/linux
cd
mv linux linuxold #(don't worry, it won't hurt)
tar xvfb
cp linuxold/.config linux
cd linux
make menuconfig
make depend && make bzImage && make modules && make install && make modules_install
Then make sure to edit
lilo
OTH, if you are using grub, I'm not familiar with it but the idea is the same. Edit config file, and run the program that modifies the boot loader.
Reboot, and enjoy (make sure to select the new kernel when prompted, if it isn't the default!)
THIS THING CAN TURN ON A DIME, MACROSSZERO STYLE ALSO FUCK BETA, ~NYORON
Wrong. Yoper is essentially the latest CVS version of LFS with an installer.
Jeremy
The current RC's do not include the precompiled packages, but with the release of 1.4, they will be available for the big things (KDE, Gnome, and some others), and will be optimized for common predefined architectures (like AthlonXP :-) ).
IIRC, one of the older 1.4 RC's had them in for testing.
Debian is still running the 2.2 kernel and xfree 2.3 right? :)
Debian has a nice tool called kpkg that makes compiling and installing kernels directly from source a pleasure. Sometimes I recompile my kernel just for fun. But make sure you download the pentium-builder package to make sure your new kernel is optimized to the max. My only complaint about debian is that all the binaries are only optimized for my 386 Packard Bell.
Do check your facts before you start demanding things...
Mozilla's main support still comes from Netscape... the Company Netscape. So even tho the Netscape Browser 6.xx is based on Mozilla, Mozilla itself is in major parts still Netscape, the company.
Star Office has been bought by Sun. Now Star Office has a price-tag on it. To give people a free version of it, they packaged Open Office. So Star Office isn't based Open Office it's the other way arround.
I have to say:
BZZZT! WRONG!
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To whatever your system is. Yes, make.conf defaults to i686, but in the install doc, it specifically mentions editing your make.conf PRIOR to emerging system because of this.
Remember, with Gentoo, you're using the "real" sources, not some distro's pre-packaged and hacked binaries. I'm not downing any distro that uses that as it's distrobution method, but after having swithed several machines of mine over to Gentoo about a year ago or so now, I won't look back to anything else. I big thumbs up to the wizards over at Gentoo!
I'm not a prophet or a stone-age man,
I'm just a mortal with potential of a super man.
They went from no one ever hearing them to having their first beta version capture number one distrowatch.
Any linux company that has the nerve to rig distrowatch just to gain attention for their alpha is pretty sad and more importantly not to be trusted.
If they didn't do it, then why are they crowing about it on their website? So either they A) did it and are stupid enough to gloat about it, or B) didn't do it, but are stupid enough to think their prerelease OS is now the most widely used one ahead of Redhat, Mandrake et al out of the nowhere.
I smell a PR driven company like Lindows who will do anything for a buck.
If you wanna get rich, you know that payback is a bitch
I was sorta suspicious about this post, thought maybe the poster was trolling or outright fasifying his post (note the lack of a link), but then I found this link on their official phpbb forums page. Turns out they *did* flame the people they need supporting them. That's a direct quote. See for yourself.
I gotta say, when I saw this article, the first thing I thought was "Yoper? What's that?" So I looked at the website. I thought to myself, hey, I might try that. Good idea with the Yoperize thingy, if they ever show how it could be done. Then I saw this post.
I'm all for trying to market Linux and make money off it, but this flame shows the true colors of the bunch that run Yoper. Avoid this distro with every ounce of your will.
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