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Al Gore Joins Apple's Board Of Directors
zzxc writes "News.com.com reports that Al Gore has been chosen to be on Apple's board of directors. Apple has a press release with more information. According to the press release, 'Al brings an incredible wealth of knowledge and wisdom to Apple from having helped run the largest organization in the world--the United States government' and 'He has remained an active leader in technology--launching a public/private effort to wire every classroom and library in America to the Internet.' The inventor of the internet should be a valuable asset to Apple."
Seriously though...he was advising Google???
;)
I had absolutely no idea. Last I knew he was busy being a sore loser(winner?) of the last election.
At any rate, it ought to be an interesting addition to the staff. So long as he doesn't SERIOUSLY take credit for inventing the internet.
Karma: Chameleon (mostly due to the fact that you come and go).
Well, maybe he didn't invent it, but he actually was one of a few politicians actively promoting the internet.
Therefore we should be thankful instead of always making fun of that one statement he once made.
Fleur de Sel
My guess would be that it has more to do with governmental contacts than expertise about computers - Gore must have a pretty good list of contacts throughout government by now, and if that can help Apple, why shouldn't they tap him to be on their board of directors? Beats another lawyer....
Quack!Quack!.....QUACK!!
Just in!
Gore invents AppleTalk
Gore invents candy-colored computer
Gore invents small music player
Gore invents fast new web browser
Gore invents XUL (Hyatt mysteriously fired)
Gore invents new GUI for BSD
Wasn't it the government Al Gore helped run that brought us the DMCA?
It might not be a good thing having him as a director at one of the few big tech companies that is still customer friendly.
Jason
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Politics aside, (Disclaimer: I voted for him) this may be just what Apple needs. Someone who is capable, knows business, government and academia and is not an Apple insider.
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During a March 1999 CNN interview, while trying to differentiate himself from rival Bill Bradley, Gore boasted: "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. ... The terrible irony in this exchange is that while Gore certainly didn't create the Internet, he was one of the first politicians to realize that those bearded, bespectacled researchers were busy crafting something that could, just maybe, become pretty important." - Wired News
Al Gore never claimed he invented the internet, and anyone who jokes about it is just showing their ignorance. (sorry timothy)
Kallahar
No you've got that wrong.
He did not say that he invented it, just that he brought it to the masses, he is kind of like the favorite uncle of the internet.
Apple is lucky to have him, that is a lot of top-down influence. The big gears up-top *are* the ones that predominate our lives in the ways of general trend and influence. Now given, there is proactive and reactive influence, but big players will ensure social connectvity, which AL has a great deal of.
Gore is going to be lecturing my class next week at Middle Tenn State Univ (where he has been an adjunct prof for a while...i am not proud).
Anyone have any questions you want me to ask him?
He is officially there to talk to my 'Legal Problems of the Recording Industry' class about he and his wife's censorship/labeling campaign in the mid 1980's. However, we have been told that we can "ask him anything." Tipper may be there too, but at this point we dont know.
-- webster1 --http://www.viewingparty.com
he didn't say he'd invented the internet.
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Apple's board should have chosen Crazy Eddie
That way Apple would be insanely great at insane prices.
SCO to Hell
Now I can't stop laughing. Apple has always though different and I think that through all of the problems they have had, they have done pretty good. Not many companies have taken on MS and lived to tell the tale. Apple has. But what is the reasoning behind hiring Al Gore?
Yes I read the bloody article and yes I know what Apple is telling us, but what is the real reasoning behind the scenes? Do they honestly think Al Gore can bring something to Apple? What does he know about computer companies, software companies, or the Apple way of doing things? Why not bring back Woz? At least Woz had an idea of what the hell is going on. Maybe this is just a gimmick though. Something crazy to get Apple in the news for a while. To make people remember they exist. Or maybe Steve really thinks Al can add to the Apple brand.
How is it that one careless match can start a forest fire, but it takes a whole box to start a campfire?
I bet they go back to beige macs....
The same joke was told 20 times in the space of five minutes. Said one poster, "It was like we all had the same idea , boy was it freaky." The impetus of the bizarre occurrence of synchronicty was a story about Al Gore becoming a member of Apple's board of Directors. "I mean, what's the chances that we would all have the SAME idea at the SAME time, it's not like this was an obvious joke," said one poster who declined to be identified. Another was heard to whistle underneath his breath and say, "That's it, I believe in God now." The Vatican was unavailable for comment, but a low giggle was heard to emanate from the Holy Sees residence at roughly the same period. Commander Taco, upon hearing this said, near tears, "It's like we told a joke that mad the whole world laugh, AT THE SAME TIME!" In other news, the much-heralded cliche filter on slashdot crashed at roughly the same time, though it could not be confirmed if the two were related.
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ISH == Information Superhighway
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Google Link
"3. THE "INFORMATION SUPERHIGHWAY" SHOWS A BIG INCREASE IN FY 92.
The President's budget proposes $638M for the High Performance
Computing and Communications program, an increase of $149M, or
30%. This initiative was generated by the Federal Coordinating
Council on Science and Engineering Technology (FCCSET, which is
pronounced "fix it") and involves eight Federal agencies. The
project has been pushed both by Bromley and Sen. Gore (D-TN),
whose father launched the superhighway program. The High Perform-
ance Computing program includes the National Research and Educa-
tion Network which will connect the Nation's educational and
research organizations to Federal libraries, databases, super-
computers and such facilities as telescopes and accelerators."
Fantasy and superstition should be used for entertainment purposes only.
Ask him about copyright. What does he think the philosophical basis for copyright protection is - in the context of the de facto perpetual copyright regime developing in the US. Are the present copyright conditions and term lengths serving those purposes? Wouldn't a shorter term serve just as well?
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo
--Andy Finkel (J. Klass?)
after all he was vice president of the united states!
You need a better argument. After all, Dan Quayle was vice president, too!
0 1 - just my two bits
He does it by not trying to bullshit people into believing things that just aren't true. He would never use vague, propaganda lines like "George Bush kills something like 100 people..", knowing that it is facetious and misleading.
People enjoy honesty and facts that can be verified not innuendo and slogans not based on truth.
Whether you like it or not (I certainly don't) a majority of Americans seem to think executing teenagers and the mentally ill in a revenge kick is just fine and dandy, and don't understand just how much Shrub has managed to piss the rest of the world off in an incredibly short space of time.
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo
--Andy Finkel (J. Klass?)
1. Al Gore knows business. I doubt it. His only job since college that wasnt government was as a reporter for a local newspaper. And that was for a brief time.
He has been instrumental in getting business and government to cooperate in wiring classrooms nationwide, and is currently a senior advisor for Google, Inc.
2. Al Gore knows/is academic[a]. I doubt it. He isn't particularly well educated by any standards. He is college educated, which is something for sure. He is presumably very bright, but as somewhat who has meet him and had some conversation with him, he came off as kinda dim. Not GWBush dim, but clearly not razor sharp.
I can't claim to have talked with him personally, but I have read his writings, speeches etc... and he comes off pretty bright to this person with 13 or so years of post high-school education. And from the press release: "He is also a visiting professor at the University of California Los Angeles, Fisk University and Middle Tennessee State University. Mr. Gore received his B.A. in Government with honors from Harvard University in 1969, and attended the Vanderbilt University School of Religion and the Vanderbilt University School of Law." I would say this qualifies.
3. Al Gore is not an Apple insider.
That is good. But on the other hand, he isn't likely to be able to affect much of how Apple operates because of that same reason.
Where is you logic here? This is a totally bogus and biased statement with no evidence to back it up.
4. Al Gore knows government. True, but he knew the last government. That's a problem. He knew a lot of key decisons makers and might have been able to leverage those. Now there is a new government, and many decisions of scale and size are made by political apointee's and their sub-ordinates. This means he in fact has very little leverage for Apple now that GWBush is in office.
Again, from the press release: "He served for a total of eight years as President of the Senate, a member of the cabinet and the National Security Council, and as the leader of a wide range of Administration initiatives including environmental policy, technology, science, communications and government cost reduction."
You can't possibly have this level of experience and not be able to navigate government past and present. In fact, in my personal experience, having even a little degree of connection with government does wonders for ones business. Al Gore has most folks trumped here by a long shot.
But seriously, this is interesting but not really all that good for Apple, in my opinion. He is a controversial, and turns alot of people of (about 49% of voters at last count).
Well, that is an opinion and as for your percentage (matching that of the last election), the majority of folks like him.
That's not a good quality for a company who is very image focused. Even if only 1 in 1000 people hate him enough to not buy Apple products, will it outweigh the number of people who will buy Apple products because they like him? Probably not.
Gee, let's see, Apple is doing quite well with 4-5% of the personal computer market. If they can appeal to at least the majority of the U.S. population, that can only be a good thing for the company.
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Oh yeah, that strategy *really* worked for Apple huh?
The editors' comments aren't in italics and aren't within double quotation marks. The poster's comments are. Look at the article asbtract again to see what I mean.
Because he gives them something they want: to feel powerful, justified.
He's good at coming up with excuses to distract away from the positive and draw focus on the negative in a way that makes people who agree with him feel more assured about what they think. Naturally, the positions he advocates need a lot of rationalization.
That Apple is inducting Al Gore on the very day the Bush is starting a war in Iraq?
Isn't this just a little weird to you guys?
I'm not insinuating any particular meaning --- I have no clue as to the meaning. It's just kind of creepy...
I stole this sig from someone cleverer than me.
Look, as much as I detest the guy's politics, what Apple needs more than anything now is government support.
The Government needs to support Open Source, a cornerstone of Apple's strategy. The Government needs to specify the use of Open Standards. The Government needs to stop running exclusively on Windows. The Governement needs to stop finding Apple's competitors guilty of predatory practices and letting them off with a warning.
I'm sure they get into regular meetings, say pitching a room of XServes, and they have a room full of Engineers all on board, then the bean counter comes in and says, "oh, but it has to run on Windows." End of story. If there's an XServe rack somewhere with a nasty twist in it it's because Steve Jobs threw it out a fourth floor window after one of these meetings.
Apple's biggest barrier to entry is the Microsoft De-facto standard that exists in Corporate America, and they hate being hamstrung by it at every turn when they know they have a better product. When the government starts requiring bids to come in in the OpenOffice XML format, there's at least the chance of Corporate America following, and perhaps the playing field will level.
When Apple wanted to get into Network Computing (remember that?) they got Larry on board. When they wanted to get into Retail they got the guy from the Gap. Etc.
What Apple needs to get into Government is a technically-savvy government insider who has all the contacts, lots of influence, and not much else to do. I don't like the personalities involved, but Gore is not bad on science and this is a brilliant move on Jobs's part.
I expect to see lots of sensible legislation supporting many of the positions regularly espoused around here introduced in the Congress in the next year. We'll know where they came from. Remember, politics is the art of the possible.
My God, it's Full of Source!
OUTSIDE_IP=$(dig +short my.ip @outsideip.net)
I think I'll vote the Cowboy Neal option myself.
Protoplasm. Quiet Protoplasm. I like quiet protoplasm.
Buzzword Bingo: MIT's way of having fun when the 'most technologically savvy politician' visited the Institute for Commencement.
I wonder if the people making the decision saw this.
for what it's worth...they don't have Apple X servers crunching numbers...they have SGIs and a beowulf.
But later, in a surprise decision, the Supreme Court threw out the posting, and placed George W. Bush on the Apple board instead.
Upon hearing of the stunning turn-around, Gore refused to leave the Apple board room, clinging fiercely to the furniture and sometimes hiding under the board room table.
After seven hours, Apple security guards were finally able to remove Gore from the premises and send him on his way.
Gore was visibly shaken after the defeat and called it "a dark day for America," citing the line of environmentally-friendly computers he had hoped to encourage Apple to produce by a wave of his majestic hand. "I took the initiative in creating the Internet," said Gore, "and look what has become of it. Without someone to call new environmentally-friendly computers into existence by detached fiat, what will become of the American worker?"
Sources said Gore had returned home to begin regrowing his beard through a long, arduous process of sitting on the living room sofa for weeks on end and subsisting on a diet of Cheetos.
Here, I found a website that questions FAIR:
UnFAIR FAIR
That cancels your reference.
Rush's numbers speak to the level of trust that people place in him, validating his truthfulness. You don't have to like that, and I am quite sure that you consider everyone who disagrees with you a sheep. The fact remains that people love Rush 'cause he is honest. BTW, I don't listen to Rush.
Notice it said "attended," not "graduated from." He failed out.
Personally I hope Al Gore will make another run for presidency. Given the way things are looking (wars and tax cuts), 2004 is in the toilet (I think Gore said he wasn't going to run anyway)..
Since we're sort of on the topic, let me ask the Slashdotters this question: wouldn't you rather see Gore running the country than another run-of-the-mill politician who has no appreciation for, and is completely ignorant of, science and technology?
Whenever I turn on my iBook, this robotic voice says, "You are hearing me talk."
It suddenly makes sense, now.
If you need me, I'll be parked under the Sun Sphere.
The Apple press release goes on to say that Al Gore's membership on the board will be a unique one. His duties will involve presiding over board meetings and, yet he will only be allowed to cast a vote in the event of a tie between the other members.
Mr. Gore was quoted as saying "Damn it, not again!"
When I think of Al Gore and Apple together, why do the words "Runner Up" keep coming to mind?
No, and he never said he did either. This is a great example of media paraphrasing blunders.
How does Rush do it?
He does it by not trying to bullshit people into believing things that just aren't true.
Purposely spreading unsubstantiated rumors and lies is "not trying to bullshit people into believing things that just aren't true?"
Here's just ONE example of the numerous false statements he has made in print and on the air:
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In Chapter 16 of "The Way Things Ought To Be" Rush talked about how Willie Horton brutally raped a woman after he was allowed out of a Massachusetts prison on a furlough program while Michael Dukakis was governor. Rush, of course, refers to this as the "Dukakis furlough program" and blames Dukakis for the whole affair.
What Rush failed to mention was that the furlough law he is talking about was passed when Dukakis was not even governor of Massachusetts. It was signed into law by the REPUBLICAN governor who preceded Dukakis. Dukakis' biggest involvement with that law was that he repealed it. But you would never hear Rush mention this. He doesn't want you to hear the whole truth.
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I don't think Rush is an idiot, so he must know that he's lying to all of you.
You were joking right?
So you're going to boycott any company with assholes on their boards of directors, are ya?
Better start doing some serious investigating, since 99% of the big-boys in this country are gonna have someone that someone somewhere hates on their boards. Looks like you're gonna have a tough time buying anything in this country, and that includes sleeping, eating, hell, even wiping your ass after you crap.
Best of luck to you.
"That naive cube! How long must I suffer this!" --Sheldon J. Plankton
You can get this quote from the Rush Limbaugh transcript archive from Tuesday, Feb 25, 2003:
Rush: "the one nation on earth to whom this is only and all about oil is France. France imports most of its oil, and gets the vast majority of that from Iraq. They have sweet economic deals that go back to the 70s made between Saddam Hussein and Jacques Strap Chirac, and I'm telling you, their opposition to this is rooted solely in their desire for an uninterrupted, continued supply of oil from Iraq."
Let's see what the Department of Energy has to say about this little bombshell:
"French imports come primarily from Saudi Arabia and Norway, followed by the United Kingdom (UK), Iraq, Iran, Nigeria, and Russia. In July 2001, the Iraqi government stated that it would reconsider oil projects with French companies and no longer give French companies "priority" due to France's support of the U.S.-British "Smart Sanctions" proposal at the United Nations Security Council."
So - no, France does not import "the vast majority" of its oil from Iraq, and any "sweet deals" they had worked out were apparently ended in 2001 because France wanted to continue sanctions against Iraq.
Think of all the "anit-France" bashing going on in the U.S. right now. Don't you think this kind of claim from Rush helps contribute to that? Does it really have the same impact if Rush says, "for France, this is all about oil from their 4th largest supplier that cut their oil companies out in 2001 because of their willingness to continue with sanctions?"
I don't know - maybe you'll say "well, it's just one little misstatement", but it's symptomatic of a pattern. There is more than one of these "little misstatements" that get thrown out there, that nobody bothers to follow up on, and that shape the tone of the debate (for the worse, I'll say - because it's not based on the truth).
Browse his radio transcripts (see the link above). Look for particularly inflammatory claims, or statements of fact. Do some research on your own to see if it's exactly as Rush has proclaimed. Perhaps you'll find out 99% of what he says is true. Perhaps not. But at least then YOU can say with confidence that you trust what he says because YOU have checked up on him.
oh, yea - I did a fair amount of looking, and this was the most recent, least biased source I could come up with. Feel free to find a more recent (than Jan 2002) article from an equally repudiable source to prove me wrong.
Noting that the Equal Protection clause guarantees individuals that their ballots cannot be devalued by "later arbitrary and disparate treatment," the per curiam opinion held 7-2 that the Florida Supreme Court's scheme for recounting ballots was unconstitutional.
The precedent of Baker v. Carr allowed the Supreme Court to frame this case as a LEGAL question (rather than a political question) because they were able to argue that citizens of Florida were having their INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS violated and therefore, the Court argued that this made this case a LEGAL question.
Even if the recount was fair in theory, it was unfair in practice. The record suggested that different standards were applied from ballot to ballot, precinct to precinct, and county to county.
Because of those and other procedural difficulties, the court held that no constitutional recount could be fashioned in the time remaining (which was short because the Florida legislature wanted to take advantage of the "safe harbor" provided by 3 USC Section 5).
The per curiam opinion limited its holding to this present case only.
It was how they were to be recounted that was being questioned by the Supreme Court. So do a little homework first, and I'll finish studying for my test...
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Let's examine dates, shall we? Ask the tree himself what he did. Well, it's a little dishonest, Gore dropped out of law school, but the dates are hard to refute.
When the internet was "invented" in 1969, Al Gore was acting as a combat reporter in Vietnam. Comendable enough, but the Senator's son had it much better than most. We can imagine his grasp of computing was about as broad as his expressed interst in such things at the time and for years to come, ZERO.
In the next five years he failed as a farmer, priest and lawyer. No biggie, lots of nice people fail at many things and the effort is commendable if not exceptional. Yet, where is the interest in computing while Unix is being created?
In 1976, Gore started his long and unbroken career as a politician. According to this empasioned defense Al Gore made his first concrete contribution to what we know of as the internet with, "High Performance Computing and Communications Act in 1991." Not bad, he beat Bill Gates to caring, but it's hardly the kind of stuff you could call "instrumental".
Clearly, however, he suffered from his associations with one of the most agresivly dishonest administrations in US history. We can give credit to Al Gore for the 1996 Telecomunications Act, which failed, and the DMCA. It's a mixed record by someone who's writing proves a deep ignorance of many important technical matter. It's right to distinguish between people who understand technical details and those who pretend to know. It would be one thing if he stood on his record honestly. His agradizing and pretenses were blatant enough for people who wanted him elected to notice. The New York Times, the Washington Post and other paper called him on this.
I can only imagine that Apple thinks Gore has some influence to wield in shcool and government computer purchases. It's inconcievable they hired him for technical reasons.
DMCA, Hollings, Palladium. What might have sounded like paranoia is now common sense.
He said that he helped with the funding and creative force that became the internet and that Tennesee was one of the first universities to fully utilize it because he saw how great it would become. Therefore he recommended quick adoption (and providing funds for) internet "capabilities" in public institutions. He was inferring that he was a reason the internet got started so quickly. The question asked by Wolf Blitzer on CNN was, "What do you think has been your greatest contribution to education?"
Yell & scream & rant & rave... it's no use... you need a shaaaave ~ Bugs Bunny
Unfortunately government has corrupted our industry. From prosecuting Microsoft to shutting down Napster, they have to assert their control. Apple is dealing with this the way other big companies are, by paying off one politician / or ex-politician in order to fight off the others. In addition, federal taxation is so high and the federal government controls so much spending that companies need an insider to get a piece of the pie. Apple lost to Microsoft because in the 1980s they tried to get public schools hooked on Apple computers. I.e. they went for the government market. Microsoft focused on the business customer (i.e. the free market) and won. Now the federal government is seen as the big pie, so they will all hire lobbyists, politicians, etc. to help them get a piece. Truly disgusting.
Stuart Eichert