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8.6 GB Internet?
prostoalex writes "Caltech computer scientists announced the protocol, capable of delivering 8,609 Mbps over the Internet, using 10 simultaneous flows of data. The research project was conducted in partnership with CERN, DataTAG, StarLight, Cisco, and Level 3. The practical applications, according to the press release, is ability 'to download a full-length DVD movie in less than five seconds'. There is a number of papers and scientific publications available."
CERN, DataTAG, StarLight & Cisco - watch out! MPAA is coming for you!
They've been facing a major bandwidth crunch.
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CalTech's Motto: Enabling Faster Porn and Slashdoting Through Technology
Bless those people
Now my lil bro will be able to fill up our HD with porn in a couple of minutes...
I can't help but be amused that that was their first measurement standard for it.
Oh, they meant legit full-length DVD movies...
The coolest voice ever.
impatient people... can't even wait 5 minutes nowadays... geesh...
is Jack Valenti having an aneurysm.
This
How many Libraries of Congress per hour is that?
Wearing pants should always be optional.
While this is pretty cool theoretically, current hard drives don't even come close to handling this kind of bandwidth, so there isn't much use for this until we can actually manage to store the data fast enough to keep up with the connection.
i read this when it was on fark the other day, and i had to wonder what the big deal was. the speed worked out to be slightly lower than 10 gigabits.
bearing that in mind, isn't 10 gigabit TCP in the getting-done stages?
i don't know, maybe i missed something 'golly-gee' about this. this just seemed superfluous.
stored on computers from birth to the grave
Five seconds?? Ohhhh... but I want it NOW!
The problem is, what sort of mass storage device can write at 8.6 gigabits/sec?
What comes first, finding a teacher or becoming a student?
On the internet, a byte is normally 10 bits--8 bits of data, one starting bit, and one ending bit. Thus, 10Mbps = 1 MBps.
Not only can a high-end storage array handle that sort of throughput, but it can do it without any bugs.
Will I retire or break 10K?
Okay, todays RAM can top 8GB/s, so there is no problem generating data and sending it through this like that. However, hard drives can't even reach 1/100th of this speed, so don't expect your p2p programs to go much faster ;)
This can be great for sites that require a massive pipe and have fiber hard drives's or ISPs. Also be good defence against a slashdotting ;)
that may be silly, but in the case this technology is actually developped, there will remain a crucial battle : the RIAA/MPAA (media lobbies) are going to be so scared by such a tech that they'll do all what they can so that it comes with some kind of DRM (digital rights managements).
In other words, such a technology would give a boost to legal attempts to allow hard DRM - as is today illegal under the liberty-preserving legislation of a lot of countries, especially in Europe.
Do not answer that the media lobbies aren't asked to give their opinions here. Because it is part of Microsoft's, Intel's and AMD's (to cite only 3 members of the vast TCPA alliance) strategy to maintain good relationships with the media companies in order to enlarge the computer market.
You know what I'm talking about - Palladium. I don't think it's necessary to insist on the fact that it would be a bad thing for us.
War doesn't prove who's right, just who's left.
>um.... since when was a byte more than 8 bits?
/. a server using the existing infrastructure should paint a pretty picture of where the bottleneck stands :)
When you count in octal, there are 10 bits to a byte. After a few months doing coding on old big iron I accidently balanced my checkbook in octal. Took me a WEEK to get that straightened out.
Honestly though, this doesn't eliminate the bottleneck, it just moves it from the cables to the Server, or to your hard drive. Given that we can pretty much
I still would like to get it to my house, though.
Glonoinha the MebiByte Slayer
It is just over a gig a second.
Not all of that is data. Some is packet headers. Some is error correction. That's why you can't push 6 KB per second over a v.90 dial-up connection at 48 kbps.
Will I retire or break 10K?
Who needs hard disk capacity if you can stream a movie in realtime? *eg*
BTW, even if hard disks eventually reach the required capacity, you wouldn't be able to store it on disk anyway thanks to MPAA's DRM initiative...
I imagine that there will be a day when you can get ANY movie regardless of popularity from Blockbuster, Best Buy or Circuit City easier than filling out a prescription. You just tell them what legacy movie or TV show episodes you want and 15 minutes later your burned DVD with professional looking label printed on it is ready for pick-up for $20-$30. It may even include a difficult to replicate vendor hologram on the label side of the DVD to help distingish it from non-approved burns.
I choked on my 2am coffee when I read that!
Jack Valenti has heart failure at announcement.
Hilary Rosen Responds by announcing DMSCA bill.
Berman and Hollings, after campaign contributions and honorariums, announce co-sponsor the Digital Millenium Scientist Control Act, stating that the only reason scientists could possibly have for developing the technology for such fast downloads is to support porn, piracy, and terrorists.
The Digital Millenium Scientist Control Act is written to allow scientific research, unless it can be used to deny unjust enrichment of the MPAA/RIAA members, in which case the scientists will be put through a shredder, or turned loose in a locked room with MPAA/RIAA executives, at the MPAA/RIAA's choosing.
Hollings could be overhead asking Berman, "What's a computer?", and Berman could be heard answering, "It's something the MPAA/RIAA are trying to turn into a television. I told you we could squeeze more cash out them. Now tell me where you invest your honorariums, and then shut up".
The demonstrations used a 10 Gbps link...
So, stop making it sound like one can turn a 28.8 modem into a cable modem. Parallel downloading is nothing new (rate limited ftp servers have been around for years.)
...CERN, DataTAG, StarLight, Cisco to release "The complete works of Jenna Jameson" in div-x format. Order now!
Are you kidding? The ability to download a full DVD in 5 seconds has tons of practical application. For instance, you could rent movies over the net...
Why would you want to do that? Don't you understand that this connection would be much, much faster than your current modem? It would be at least 24 times faster, with the potential of being up to 57 times faster. Especially during off-peak hours like Thursday at 8pm.
That would make me 24 times the pirate I am today, with the potential to be up to 57 times the pirate I am today. Then they would use that peculiar method of reasoning to assign me a sentence that would require 24 lifetimes to serve, with the potential of requiring up to 57 lifetimes to serve.
Of course, I'm all for upping the stakes, here.
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Who needs hard disk capacity if you can stream a movie in realtime?
Why would anybody want to watch an entire movie in 5 seconds, certainly my ability to absorb information is not as good as that and I regard it to be rather high(Toung in cheek).
If you read a speed reading book, does it take you less time to read the second half?
8.6Mb/s is snatching it
Yeah, yeah. I meant Gb/s. Still not fast enough to get you laid.
From the article: The protocol is called FAST, standing for Fast Active queue management Scalable Transmission Control Protocol (TCP).
That would be FAQMSTCP..in other words pronounced
FAH Q MS TCP...
as read on FARK...
(stood on end, that is...)
They say the first thing to go is your penis. Well, it's either that or your brain. I forget which...
My T1 line sometimes gets maxed out by people downloading the multimedia pr0n I host on my Linux servers.
Thank you, CalTech!
You don't need to download a movie in 5 seconds to rent a move over the net. You only need to go slightly faster than real time. In theory you could make it in exactly real time but in practice it doesn't work that way. DVDs are variable bit rate with a maximum rate of 10 Mbps so 11 Mbps should make it.
I have great faith in fools - self confidence my friends call it. - Edgar Allan Poe
On the other hand, those dumb Dawson Creek loving people will probably just download all episodes in DV-format, making my important games slow again...
Hofstadter's Law: It always takes longer than you expect, even if you take into account Hofstadter's Law
Just think of the Slashdot potential for this. Someday, we may very well be able to post using high-quality audio/video clips instead of text messages.
Then they would use that peculiar method of reasoning to assign me a sentence that would require 24 lifetimes to serve, with the potential of requiring up to 57 lifetimes to serve.
...and in other news, Texas executed it's first software pirate today.
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You will never see that much bandwidth because there are so many other bottlenecks. Your throughput is only as fast as the slowest node. To be honest I believe advancements in fiber technology like Dense Wave Division Multiplexing (DWDM) and advancements in router processor/RAM technology will have a greater effect on your throughput than this. Although it will be a while before your throughput from the net is faster than your HDD can handle you do make a valid point about the limits of the technology. In particular with LAN file servers and transfer rates. Gig Ethernet cards already come standard on Power Macs. I think the next evolution of PC design will be RAM drives and storage. You will also see larger HDD cache, and more use of cache in general.
Saying Java is nice because it works on all OS's is like saying that anal sex is nice because it works on all genders.
And I won't add the problem of hard drive speeds which can't handle it. Of course, big RAID arrays and the like can, but not consumer drives.
Of course, eventually, when we use a better quality encoding method for video/audio, the datarate may have to increase, but right now, it's useless.
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You're assuming an x86 machine, which might not be the case
I don't understand what it means tho, I need all my measurements in Library of Congress.
First, they said it uses 10 parallel data streams. So any given stream is only running ~860Mbps. Could this be a resurgence of parallel commucations? For example, 10 cheap 100Mbps LAN transcievers integrated into 1 card for Gigabit Ethernet speed? Would there be any cost advantages of cramming large numbers of cheap devices onto a card VS a single fast but expensive device? Sort of like Billion-Dollar-Probes vs the smaller/faster/cheaper thing at NASA.
And I figure that by the time this becomes mainstream, the amount of data needing to be transferred will also have increased by 1 or 2 orders of magnitude, and you'll still be stuck waiting hours for the latest HoloVideo downloads. Just like you wait hours to download Attack of the Clones over DSL and Cable, and like you once waited hours to download that 5 meg shareware program over your 56K modem.
Seems like the amount of data being stored is always 1 step ahead of the amount that can be conveniently transferred... We need a war on program bloat.
Maybe they're Welsh.
...in which someone told me that there has yet to be backbone built that could go faster than a station wagon loaded with backup tapes doing 90 mph from Buffalo to Syracuse...
"Nobody owns the fucking words man." - James Dean
Hey, what happened to Libraries of Congress per fortnight?
autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
Communication companies use bits because it lets them say bigger, more impressive sounding numbers, and because it's the 'fundamental' unit of information measuring
No one uses 10 bits/byte.
autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
Too bad the other 16 minutes are utterly, utterly wasted.
The practical applications, according to the press release, is ability 'to download a full-length DVD movie in less than five seconds'
In other news, the MPAA has filed a lawsuit against Caltech for "aiding the piracy of copyrighted movies". The RIAA is expected to file a similar lawsuit as many wonder why they haven't already milked Caltech for all the money it's got.
While having this kind of bandwidth would be nice, consumer grade computers let alone the hardware are beyond woefully inadequate. About all you could hope for would be a 100M/bit connection. This is assuming that the phone company/cable operator dosen't bend you over for the cost of said connection.
The only machine that I know of that could even utilize a connection this fast is a Cray X1
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If this is so, and once again [I've carped on about this before] why not switch to the METRIC SYSTEM.
Damn wacky imperial standard.
Yay me!
They are transmitting accross a public network, so in a sense many streams will be contended at one point or another. By splitting the data into 10 streams they are getting an advantage, as their data stream will in effect have a 10-fold priority over other internet traffic.
But what if this was done on a mass scale, and everyone used 10 streams to increase their transfer rate? I imagine the combined bandwidth would be as bad as a single stream was. Which I find questionable if its efficient, or a good thing for the Internet.