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Andalucia Adopts Free Software
InodoroPereyra writes "Browsing Linux Today I found a link to an
HispaLiNUX
article stating that
Andalucia goes OpenSource. More specifically,
"All public educational centre necessities are intended to be fulfilled, first of all, with Free Software [...] It is compulsory to all hardware acquired by official educational centres to be fully compatible with Free Software operating systems. Furthermore, it must be preinstalled in all new bought computers".
Andalucia is a region located to the South of Spain, with about 7.5 million inhabitants. This is an important follow-up to the many stories on
Linux in Extremadura."
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"Me and a bunch of people got drunk, thought we could code, submitted the idea and produced a fancy web page. It's now two years later and the project has no files to download and is STILL on Stage 1, Planning."
"I've been reading UNIX in a Nutshell for SVR4 and fucks knows what any of this flags stuff is about"
"I can install Red Hat from a bootable CD. The machine is not connected to a network and all I do all day is type ps, pwd and ls. I'm so l33t."
"My folks are rich enough to send me off for further education. I am now in an uber-elite crowd of know-it-alls and I am here to belittle you. Fear me."
"I've spent the last two years being subjected to biased slashdot propaganda. I couldn't hack into a properly configured windows system if my life depended on it."
"I've spent far too much time absorbing bullshit ideals from anarchists. The truth of the matter is, I just don't want to pay for anything whatsoever. Britney CDs should be free because I think that somehow the constitution protects my illegal copying and distribution under some freedom of speech law or fair use act. Even though I don't have to go out and buy luxury items, I'm gonna whinge and bitch anyway"
"I've only been using it for a week, and now my hardcore wannabe techno friends think I'm a guru. I now recommend it to everybody based upon what I've read at slashdot."
"Somebody please shoot me several times in the head. I am fucking clueless."
"I'm too fucking dense to realise that this has been going on for over 15 years already, and I've just finished reading 1984. Go figure."
Andalucia? Extremadura?
Sorry, but this needs to go much further.
What about Higgletypigglety and Ishkabibble? Ringolevio might get on board, but I think Jaberwocky will be the hold-out.
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Small nations/language groups may indeed follow suit. I remember when Microsoft refused to make an Icelandic version of Windows some years ago. Reason? Too few users... Well, there are actually 250,000 icelanders, like a larger city block. Which makes me think of my 25 minute old Mandrake 9.1 installation. It boasts support for 60 languages, including Icelandic.
Anyway, ensuring that all computer and components are compatible with open source solutions maybe not ensures that they will not use windows, but at least that they can choose now or after without being forced to use one solution over another because winmodems, winprinters, and other hardware that depends on windows to work.
so why some two-bit no-name region running Linux a big deal?
Sounds like they want to encourage Open Source software to encourage the local economy. Makes sense, they won't have to send X-dollars per computer to MS or IBM or SUN or Apple and that money can stay in the local economy. Before someone says, "but what about the cost of training?" The money spent on the computer training for people to use OSS will also stay in the local economy and is actually a direct expendature on educating the local work force.
Galium Arsenide is the material of the future, and always will be.
The question is, is the REQUIREMENT that all systems contain Free (they didn't say OPEN, just FREE, I don't know if this is a translation thing, but there is an important distinction) software good or not. Are they limiting themselves just as they would be if they declared "all systems must have Microsoft software". What if it turns out that MacOS actually suits their needs the best? (ok, you can stop laughing now)
The article is light on background and I don't read Spanish, so I don't know what precipitated this decision (purely financial, political (aka Anti-Microsoft), technical, or whatever). So it's hard to tell just how well thought out this is.
"Grandpa, could you read it again?"
Manipulate the moderator system! Mod someone as "overrated" today.
Wow, another "X Uses Free Software" story! Stop the fucking presses!
I am un chien Andalucia.
I have a radio card in my computer which feeds through my sound card's input line.
/dev/dsp -t wav - | lame -h -k - "radio-`date`.mp3"
:) Using an FM tuner card was always out of the question for reasons of noise and interference.
Using the fm utility from fmtools, my script tunes to the proper FM station and sets the volume.
Then I call SoX to grab the output stream in WAV format from the soundcard, and pipe it through to lame, which turns it into a mp3 in realtime (takes about 40% CPU time on my 1GHz P3).
The command looks something like this:
sox -t ossdsp -c 2 -w -s -r 44100
Then just CAT it to oggenc, lame, etc.
Put all that together in a script that's called by at or cron, and you're in business!
I used to have a large rooftop antenna before I moved into this tin box/apartment, and had my own RadioTiVo.
It wasn't at all difficult, though I did spend way too much time optimizing the commandline for LAME and setting levels correctly. I just put a YMF724-based sound card into my headless, does-everything FreeBSD box, plugged it into a 1980s-vintage standalone Kenwood digital tuner (find something similar at a pawnshop or Ebay), and made some cron jobs to run things. The 724 was nice because its ADC stage generally sounded very good, and it had a loopback mode that it could be massaged into which would let you hear immediately if you had clipped the input.
The box, a K6-2 350, isn't quite fast enough to do VBR MP3 encoding in realtime, and I was dead-set on VBR. So, I had it record the entire program as standard 44.1KHz 16-bit PCM, and then run a nice'd encode process on the file after the radio program had finished.
Sometimes, usually on the weekends, this meant that 2 or 3 processes of LAME were running at a time trying to catch up. Not that FreeBSD ever broke a sweat...
It ran extremely reliably, and with an NTP-synced clock, the start- and stop-times were consistantly dead on.
Every few months, I'd burn a CD or two of Car Talk for archiving and nuke whatever was left over.
Of course, there was no way to change stations. I considered briefly the notion of building a machine from mindstorms that would push the radio's preset buttons, but then I realized that nothing but NPR had any programming which I actually wanted to listen to.
Hint: Use lame's lowpass filter to cut everything above 15KHz. There's nothing there but noise with commercial FM broadcasts, which are already band-limited to 15KHz anyway per FCC rules. That said, resist the temptation to use a 32KHz sampling rate and stick with 44.1. It's what the Nyquist filters and samplerate converters in consumer gear are optimized to work with, and makes burning audio CDs easier. These translate to better sound, overall.
Good luck.
That opaque clock looks very gay on my transparent kicker on kde 3.1.9, fix it or I'll switch to twm 0.1!.
Although rather low-profile on the global scale I think this I great. I would like to see a lot more of this happening in the United States and in South Korea (among other countries). I find it very disheartening than so many people I know have never heard of GNU-Linux/Free Software and never seen a non-Microsoft operating system on a personal computer. (Besides Macs of course) The school districts are by far the most important place to start. If kids know there is something out there besides Windows and MS Office they may be more inclined to use it at home or consider it at their place of work. Andalucia is a step in the right direction.
In case anyone is in the Worcester, MA USA area tonight, Maddog is giving a talk about just this kind of thing.
Guest Speaker
Jon 'maddog' Hall
Linux in Emerging Economies
Wednesday
March 26th, 2003
Kinnicutt Hall - WPI Campus
(Salisbury Labs 115
aka the usual place)
Worcester, MA USA
7:00 PM
More info at: http://www.wlug.org/
Picture Rocks, Pennsylvania, discovers Windows and the wonders of Graphical User Interfaces, or Gooeys, as they are commonly referred to. Details at 11.
Tired of being "punished" by the Slashdot $rtbl since 2002. I'm now over at http://soylentnews.org/ .
Then help the koffice/abiword/openoffice/hancomoffice developers. If you got an incompitble file, send it off to the developers to stress test the filters.
You, sir are a god amongst men. KEEP IT UP!
All the arguments about TCO and which system is cheaper in the long run depend a lot on training pr retraining of staff and such. But if kids grow up on OSS and everyone is not stuck with the idea that Windows is your computer, then it makes a whole hell of a lot of sense to use GNU/Linux (or some other *NIX that can be made user friendly). Because then the main argument is between $0 - GNU/Linux or $>0 - Windows. :)
Doesn't seem like a very hard choice.
This is left as an exercise for the reader.
Maybe because nobody but CmdrTaco, michael and timothy are allowed to post?
"Your CPU came with a keyboard? What kind of ghetto deal is that?" -McSuede
Is this the "LookWhatOtherNoNamePlaceUsesLinux.com" website, or Slashdot? I mean really. Im glad people are using Linux, and OS/2, and OSX, and anything else, but uh... so one place no ones ever heard of adopts Linux as their OS of choice today and Slashdot posts about it? I wonder how many people setup a new environment based on Windows today? Or OSX? or IRIX, or Solaris? Post some of the places on that.
I'm Rick James with mod points biatch!
I hope the guy who modded the parent down isn't in a management position, because anyone who is opposed to using the right tool for the job is doomed to lead his/her company into bankruptcy.
"Ask not what your country can do for you." --John F. Kennedy
Years of practice.
I just noticed that. Why??
troll my ass!
It was not meant as flamebait. Some people are just far too idealistic. Really, if you always exchange data with office users (and dear slashdot readers, in the real world that is often needed), then life is a lot easier if you have it yourself. Not trying to defend the software, but that's reality. It would cost my employer more if I'd have to spend 30 minutes/day cleaning up bad powerpoint imports, instead of buying a pc or mac with office.
Tom
Because the world is actually made by lots of two-bit no-name regions.
http://ebgp.net/ccc/
But unfortunatelly he will be hired by another company in higher postion. And this is one of the reasons that telecom an it are doing so "well".
http://ebgp.net/ccc/
Today Andalucia, tomorrow Catalonia!
If your children ever found out how lame you are, they'd murder you in your sleep
...since Estonia joined our coalition of the willing.
Relax said the nightman
We are programed to recieve
You can check out any time you like
But you can never leave
Furthermore, it must be preinstalled in all new bought computers
Kinda limiting their hardware choices, aren't they?
Unfortunately if you think short-term, you're right. Though I personally have a problem with other companies dictating what software I must use. And for what? to have some pictures move around on the screen? Tell me that can't be standardized with a straight face.
This type of change (we WON'T use MS) just forces the ball to move the other way. Now I can say, for example, YOU must use OpenOffice (if MS Office doesn't open filetype X). The only issue that is that you have to download it. No cost to you.
That's what standards are for in the first place. Avoiding unnecessary 'bulge'. Not one company buying products just to view data from another.
"I can't give you a brain, so I'll give you a diploma" - The Great Oz (blatently stolen sig)
It never ceases to amaze me that people forget the differences between what is "Open Source" and what is "Free Software".
f reedom.html" for details on the difference between the two.
If you say "Open Source", and license your software with the GPL, then you are still doing Free Software, just without the emotional baggage.
The end result is the same, but your motives are questionable because your philosophical commitment level is low.
If you say "Free Software", well, you are letting everyone know where you stand and what your goals are. There can be no doubt. See "http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/free-software-for-
And for the record, the referenced article states "Free Software" 7 times, and never mentions "Open Source" even once. Their goals are *definitely* not in doubt. I consider this to be a very good thing.
"To make a mistake is only human; to persist in a mistake is idiotic." Cicero
"Un Chien Andalucia", I was initially referring to the Pixies song Debaser, where the lyric is the mixed language "I am un chien Andalucia".
Fuck me! Where do I sign up for the fan club?
Let me offer another perspective:
When I use LaTeX for my documentation and people everywhere cannot make sense of it, I send them pdf files (or well formatted html files, since LaTeX2HTML does a very good job).
Likewise, when people don't want others to muck around with their documents, they send them in pdf , often with an additional Acrobat license. They sometimes also send bad html from MS Word.
Interchange of the documents will only get better with time. I can safely venture and say openoffice does a better job than, say MSWord 95. Soon it will be MSWord 97, and 2000.
S
The Pais Vasco adopt linux for utilizatiion in the benefit of terrorist in north Spain.
The comunity Vasca of Debian is sheer terrorism.
From an spnish man that no spoke english, sorry
"More specifically, "All public educational centre..."
Is he trying to spell sentry?
Look, I see your point from an idealistic point of view. But I can assure you that if I'd deliver office-type documents to my customers that aren't nicely compatible with what they have (MS Office), then they would not be happy. And you might be surprised but I am convinced that customers should be hapy. I will never tell a customer to switch to Office suite X or Y. It is me who will adapt. That's commercial reality. I'm in it all day. Again, while I respectfully disagreewith your opinion, I think it was UNFAIR to mod my original opinion as flamebait!
best regards, Tom
What matters is not what place adopts Linux, but because it is the (small) beginning that might convince others.
Up to now many organizations (mainly public/state such as communities, regions, provinces) have been thinking aloud on switching to Linux (on the desktop), but until now it seems like noone dared to make the jump.
It is not for nothing that MSFT is fighting every 'minor defection' vigorously (offering huge discounts etc first and sometimes starting the threaten if that doesn't help). After the first success story provides proof that it is possible and saves loads of money, creates independance and freedom, the facade that MSFT keeps up will crumble and many will follow.
Therefore, the first time a real largish organization, even if it is in some insignificant region (in your eyes) that makes the switch and does not have itself bribed or bullied, is very important news.
Oh indeed I love PDF and I use Acrobat often, but very often as well my correspondents NEED to be able to edit my output, and that's why I don't see me changing to Openoffice anytime soon. Yes I know it's quite nice (I played with it), but just as for example Smartsuite, it is barely used in a commercial environment. And I will always adapt to the customer.
Tom
Being a "yankee" I can speak normal English, but having moved to TN I can see a desperate need for a Southern translation of Linux or Winshit.
Basically, just use "hallfar" instead of "error", "gimme sum dam dip" instead of "insert disc 1," and so forth. I'd translate it myself, but a true linguist would be needed for a proper translation.
You can't judge a book by the way it wears its hair.
Just for the benefit of all our non spanish-speaking readers, "Inodoro" means "toilet".
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No, that happens to be how centre is spelled.
Unless you speak dumbed-down american english, of course.
Btw, lieutenant is pronounced "leftenant" and there's a 'u' in the words 'colour', 'honour' and 'valour'.
The past tense of 'dive' is 'dived', not 'dove'. 'Dove' is a type of bird.
And dont forget, the last letter of the alphabet is ZED. I know the alphabet song doesnt rhyme (t u v, w x y and zed) but that's just too bad for you.
Also there are subsidizing M$, if you bought a computer in Andalucia (Spain), u can get 350 Euros from the regional governement, and 750 Euros for little corporations (The only requeriment is to live here and 1 computer per person...), but the law say ---> "The computer must have Windows Xp....." Ooopss....
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On first view of the headline I thought that my hometown local gov't in Andalusia, Alabama had adopted open source.
...
I was about to get very happy...
Oh well
So far as I read it, they aren't forcing the use of OS, they're requiring that every PC be capable of running a free OS, like linux or whatever.
A great deal of them will indeed run Windows, because that's a skill that gets you a job. Outside of the IT world, noone is impressed by 'linux' on a resume.
All their doing is limiting their hardware choices.
Personally I prefer to use only hardware that works with linux, even though I dont use it on the desktop. It's generally a sign that the hardware has been around for a few years, and as a rule of thumb, by the time linux support exists, windows support is rock solid. Video cards notwithstanding.
I don't need no instructions to know how to rock!!!!
An extremely large European region gets mentioned but because the lack of geographic education is rampant on Slashdot people laugh at this "non-news", some small hickville school in the US adopts free software and everyone raves about it.
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and lets not forget aluminIum... which was also the accepted spelling in the U.S. until 1925, at which time the American Chemical Society officially decided to use the name aluminum thereafter in their publications, for no reason at all... hmm, america are good at that.
Maybe you should start buying fuel by the litre (not the liter) instead of your mini-gallons. American english is so bastardised (not bastarized)
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It's only a matter of time Windows Trolls!!!!
The more extreme your responses here
The more we know we're hurting you plenty LOL !!!
FREE ALWAYS WINS
JUST ASK NETSCAPE......
You will no doubt notice that the article contains an explicit description of where and what "Andalucia" is (a region in Spain).
If the target audience for the article - Spanish citizens! - needs education of that location, why on earth are you insulting Slashdot readers education level?
Perhaps the article submitter could have taken the time to mention that it was a huge chunk of spain.
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You yourself are a 'customer' too many times probably. You shouldn't be "unhappy" either when you get crappy documents that contain a bunch of gibberish when you open them in OpenOffice.org. You, as a customer, should demand open formats.
I did this at my college. They always sent out Excel-files when they wanted to distribute timetables to students and Word documents for newsletters and the like. Those files opened quite nicely (most of the time), but still I demanded an open format. I kept hammering the IS department, and now they publish the timetables in HTML too. Other documents come as plain text and occasionally a PDF (which is an open standard, just controlled by Adobe).
Learn from the mistakes of others. There isn't enough time to make them all yourself.
Slashdot, qué salaos sois :-)
;-)))
Translation, from Andalusi to English, Slashdot, you are the best
That posting really clashes with the article.
'cause it means installing hundreds of computers at every secondary school. (At least, that's the way the HispaLinux folks did it Extremadura). And when you save literally hundreds of thousands of bucks, it's indeed a deal.
Add that to the independence from a software company.
Add that to the fact that you can develop your own software to improve the well-being of your country. (As the opposite to "let's buy software from USA and let's give 'em all our money). It employees your own people, and keeps money in the same country.
Now, has a "two-bit no-name region" (with big incomes from tourists from USA, BTW) a reason??
More commie shit to come.
This is important not only because it is a big area with 7.5 million people, but also because is one step further on a looooong series of discussions and meetings with several politicians, showing them the benefits of OSS.
Is also a milestone for HispaLinux, which has been organising a very great effort to promote and extend OSS, in both Extermadura and Andalucia. With Linex and now Alandalinux (or whatever its names ends up being) we at HL cannot but congratulate ourselfs for achieving our goals.
Jesus Climent
HispaLinux
Chances are you are only competent (albeit very) at Linux and related technologies.
... not up to a bit of competition?
Are you intimidated to see others entering "your" domain? Would you prefer they learned other technologies, so you could remain king of your realm?
What's up
Inodoro pereyra, el renegau
Also, he is from Argentina, not Spain.
Kilroy was here!
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Sure, what are they anyway ?
Some piddling little regions in Spain.
And what is Spain ?
Some piddling little end of Europe.
And arguably the primary reason that we are not all now Islamic (ref. Lepanto).
Moron !
Andalucia is a part of Spain.
Yes, Morón is in Andalucia.
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Men with no respect for life must never be allowed to control the ultimate instruments of death.
GW Bu
I'm proud of being an andalusian!!!
Would say "No more Win-dows bombs in An-da-lu-cia!"
the major advances in civilization are processes which all but wreck the societies in which they occur - A.N. White
Aserejé ja deje deje tu dejebere...
Far better than that KDE start sound!
Gentleman, here are the three fundamental laws of turmoildynamics in the Computer Industries.
The Zeroth Law
The heated discussions and debates in the computer industry will always move from a cold topic area towards a hot topic area.
The First Law of turmoildynamics: aka the Moore's Law
The number of transistors per integrated circuit at the most economical price will double every 18 months.
The Second Law of turmoildynamics: aka the Microsoft's Law
The retail price of a standard Microsoft package (like Microsoft Office) will double every 60 months.
The Third Law of turmoildynamics: aka the Open Source's Law
The amount penetration of GPL open source programs in the commercial business environment will double every 30 months.
Well, the Spanish way of government is really out-of-date. Damn!
... , but you better be going.
The Autonomous Communities are just a joke. Central government has a lot of power, yeah that's it, it's too powerful. They Autonomous Communities are yelling "we need a Federal Republic system" Don't you hear it? - Say yes to States, no to "Autonomous Communities")!
King? What the hell does a king in a country in the 21th century? Guess it. You're right. Nothing. There is no need for king in a democratic system, indeed he's earning money the easy-way- doing nothing. In democracy all people are equal. In a monarchy all people are equal except the king and his "real" family. All the speeches of the king are written by other people and the king has no responsability (he's above everything including the law) in what he says and reads (in 99% cases he doesn't speak, just read texts written by other "common" people). Sorry, your majesty, your highness,
In 1936 there was a referendum asking the Spanish citizens if they really wanted a king, and the majority of people say no to the king, yes to the Republic, so Spain became a Republic. Years later a f*cking dictator (Franco) re-established the monarchy in Spain. From that date until today, Juan Carlos is the king and owns the "kingdom" of Spain. I have to say that the king Juan Carlos is one of the richest men in Europe thanks to Franco. I have to note that thanks to Hitler and Mussolini Franco won the civil war.
Besides he has a lot of property and budget from the State for him (all Spanish people is paying taxes to support the "Familia Real"), under the dictatorship government, Franco gave to the king lots of things that they were owned by "regular" Spanish people that didn't think the same way as Franco. The king Juan Carlos is a sign of backwardness and is the shadow of the past. In a few years, won't exist monarchy countries, hopefully.
Democracy and a Federal Republic way of government is what many countries really need.
n0dez
PS: If you want to contact me, you can do it at the following address:
It's "Catalonia" in English. Your English blah blah.
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Men with no respect for life must never be allowed to control the ultimate instruments of death.
GW Bu
Andalucia and Extremadura have some of the lowest per capita incomes in the entire European Union, and very high unemployment rates...
...I submitted a story of the Netherlands converting to Linux (inhab. 16 million) and it was ignored. All finely hand-translated as well. N00bs!
I have just written an article about the way of government that many countries need such as Spain.
Please feel free to send me any comments. (My address is at the end of this post)
n0dez
Yeah, you're right. I have a friend who uses OSes in English instead of Spanish just because many things aren't translated the proper way.
...
One more thing, hehe,
I have just written an article about the way of government that many countries need such as Spain.
Please feel free to send me any comments. (My address is at the end of this post).Thankz
n0dez
Is there something about Americans and their school system that is completely defeated by World Geography.
This is the era of the internet. You could have just pluged "Andalucia" and "Extremadura" into Google and you might have been enlightened. Next you might follow that up with "Iraq"!
Who knows, you might even find that you are not nearly as stupid as you thought you were!!!
and even every flavour of Yugoslavian
I can't think there would be many basque people and I never understood why it seemed necessary to send the install disks for foreign language to english speaking only offices. I learnt a lot about languages of the world and where Microsoft thought there were computers from those "microsft select" disks and the MSDN disks. And that was in 1996 or earlier. I can understand why they didn't make one in Pitjanjatjarra - there were hardly any computers out there let alone people who could translate.
-- it must be true, it's on the internet.
Your thoughtful post reminds me of a scene from the movie "Dog Day Afternoon".
The two bad guys try to rob a bank but are surrounded by about a zillion police. The bumbling bank robbers seize hostages and demand an airplane to take them to a foreign country.
Bad guy number one turns to his partner and asks him, "What foreign country would you like to go to?". Bad guy number two replies, "Wyoming"!!!
Americans, Americans, you want to take over the world but you barely even know where it is, outside of your own little State, let alone outside of your medium size country!
http://www.asiaosc.org/enwiki/page/OSS_policy_in_t he_news.html
Sure I only speak English. (I pretend I can speak Spanish, but I'm not fooling myself, much less anyone who knows spanish.) I still installed all the lanuages translations KDE has on my computer. I have friends who speak other languages. They like the ability set the computer in their languages.
Only about 5 people have used my computer in the last 4 years, but one of them used a language other than english. It makes it worth it, and cost little disk space in todays world.
I keep hoping the cute girl from Sweden will come back and be impressed after using my comptuer. (It won't happen, but If I ever meet anouther girl...)
AWESOME! Watch the sand niggers melt and die! USA is #1!!
What the fuck are you talking about?
Sincerely,
Slashdot
I wonder if they will use or suport the "Linex" Linux distribution, based on Debian and developed in Extremadura with funding by the Comunidad Autonoma government.
Spain has a sort of federal government structure. Andalucia is next to Extremadura, and both "Comunidades Autonomas" (equivalent to state governments) have a parlament with majority of the same party, that is the oposition to Mr.Aznar, the Spanish president.
How long will it take for the rest of Spanish public institutions to support open source software ? Or will they follow the path of Catalunya government, this is, cooperate with Microsoft ?
so some company nobody's ever heard of adopted a free OS? this is big news!
death to chicken-fucking linux fuck fucks
There are much more (innocent) dead people last week (in US's hands) than past 10 years (in Saddam's hands).
This is an ILLEGAL, IMMORAL AND ILEGITIMATE INVASION that breaks all international legality and despises UN and the rest of the world.
But that's not surprising because it comes from the country where Freedom/Liberty is only a statue.
Ask your president about the real economic reasons of this INVASION and try to watch an independent foreign TV not directed by the US government (like all TVs in USA). You'll be less manipulated and better informed about the reallity of this war.
Greetings from Spain, where nearly 40 million of voices says "NO A LA GUERRA" everyday (literally).
'Gilipollas': Spanish term for 'asshole'
Actually Andalucia is not so small as you might think. Spain is one of the major economies of the world, its just that many people from the U.S. are blind to anyone below position number 1.
In fact, articles like this show how far behind the U.S. is in terms of open source/free software and how forward thinking countries will someday dominate the silly hicks in the U.S. Who prefer their comfortable monopolies.
On a more related note, I have a cousin-in-law who works for the Junta de Andalucia (Andalucian government) in a school and they are quite advanced in the way they handle the education system here, with many programs for school management given to them by the government and data exchange going on via the Internet.
The use of Linux on their systems will just help the standardization of school systems and also give the developers a standard platform to develop future applications as well as save important Euros for spending on things that matter like educating the students.
cp -R
Tu web ni siquiera funciona, por no hablar de tu cerebro. Tus argumentos son de niño pequeño, tu simplificación de la historia es de risa, tú, en una palabra, demuestras ser mas simple que el asa de un cubo. Gente como tú es la que está frenando el desarrollo de España, la que impide que nos acerquemos a los estandares europeos en tecnología, bienestar social, convivencia y nivel cultural. Franco cogió un pais con un retraso de 40 años respecto a sus vecinos y lo dejó con un retraso de 39 años, pero en los 25 años que hace que se murió, podríamos haber ido MUCHO mas deprisa de lo que lo hemos hecho, y todo por culpa de gente absurda como tú, empeñada en chapotear en la mierda del pasado. "La monarquía es una sombra del pasado"...Como tendrás los huevos de decir eso en el mismo comentario en el que pones cómo argumento EL REFERENDUM DEL 36!!!!? Quien es una sombra del pasado?: Tú. El día en que los españoles interesados en tirar del pais hacia delante consigamos librarnos de lastres como tu, iremos mucho mas deprisa en el trabajo de recuperar el tiempo que se ha perdido en tratar de vivir con ideologos absurdos (y mantenerlos economicamente porque creen tener derecho a vivir del estado, que somos los demas). Dedícate a arreglar tu mierda de web y a aprender algo mas del poco Linux que sabes, en vez de contaminar webs libres con odio trasnochado.
PD: No quería entrar en la dinámica de responder ni a uno solo de tus pueriles argumentos, pero no puedo evitar hacerte notar que, si en el 36 (hace casi 70 años) un referendum NO UNIVERSAL y con ENORMES SOSPECHAS DE FRAUDE dio como resultado un "no" a la monarquía, uno mucho mas reciente (1978), universal y con todas las garantías de trasparencia y fiabilidad, dio como resultado un "si" aplastante a la reforma constitucional en la que se proponía la MONARQUIA parlamentaria como sistema de gobierno. Subrayar el primer referendum y ocultar el segundo tiene una definicion: "MANIPULACION". No respetar la voluntad de la mayoría tiene otra definicion, pero no voy a darte el gusto de escribirla.
Saludos, payaso
That's funny, the post is about free software in Andalucia. Let me tell you, in Andalucia they like to drink a lot and party like animals, so maybe that adds a little flavor to the nerd movement.
They probably want to use free software so they can spend their money in Fino y Tapas.
These people are genious!
Damn, here you can see that these people haven't read any book of history. They gotta be fascist people or something. They suck!!!
n0dez, you're right. Don't listen to those bastards. Your Website works OK as well :)
S54JIK
I love open software such as GNU/Linux, but as n0dez said, Fascism and Monarchy sucks (Terrorism too!!). Peace, s33k
Yeah, some Spanish people love to be living like a 100 years ago with kings and stuff. Deh
coward means cobarde, did you know that??
Es cierto, todos ese tipo de sistemas dictatoriales apestan (they DO suck!) ya sea fascismo, comunismo o monarquia.
Tr4nk
Mr Anonymous Coward, usted acaba de demostrar a todo el mundo el poco nivel cultural que tienen (sobre todo usted y la otra persona que posteo lo de "asshole". Por favor, lease algun libro de historia (eso es, lease algo mas que la portada). Es vergonsoso. Si yo fuera usted no hubiera posteado mi mensaje por respeto a los demas y a mi mismo.
Saludos a todos los Slashdotters!
Sam
Bueno, el texto que escribiste aca es una porqueria nada de argumentacion (ahorita no voy a explicartelo, pues no tengo tiempo). Usted mismo se delato...
>Saludos, payaso
Si, en efecto, esa es la unica parte de todo el escrito en la que estoy de acuerdo. Jajajaj Respeta a los demas (como n0dez) como te gustarian que te respetasen a ti. Hoy ya tiene homework para aprenderlo en su hogar. Jajaja
Tu eres de esos mocosos que cuando la casa esta ardiendo no podrias contactar con el servicio de emergensias 911 porque nunca encontrarias el numero 11 en su celular!!! JAjaja y por favor vayase de aca a postear en otro lugar, ok??? Fu*king moron. El sr "Payaso" se cree inteligente y grasioso y todo el mundo se rie de el y no con el. Jajaja. Bueno, por hoy fueron demasiadas risas. Que post mas chevere el mio, uh? Ciao, Jak.
El dia en el que los cerdos vuelen, el Sr. Payaso empezara a leer libros. Su cura esta muy cerquita, acaso no es cierto?
Que impresion mas mala me dio el Sr Payaso, no se, como muy espanolito, que opinan ustedes?
Mi hermano es historiador por aca, en los EUA, a mi tambien, la verdad, es que me atrae la historia y estoy cursando mi terser curso en la universidad. De todas maneras consulte en una encyclopedia lo que paso por alla en europa y n0dez tiene toda la razon del mundo. n0dez, hay mucha gente estupida en este mundo.
A cuidarse y al payaso ese que posteo "subnormal" que se vaya a la biblioteca que hay muchos libros. Ademas de todo esto, esperemos que la guerra de Iraq acabe pronto y con el menor numero de victimas posibles. Saludos desde Los Angeles.
oh man, you're that kind of people that buys everything that is popular just because is cool to have it. asshole
Como apesta el gobierno central. Demasiado poder tiene. El rey no hace nada (ganar dinero acosta de otros). Sinceramente, creo que n0dez tiene razon. Y los monarquicos... por favor ir a pedir a quien querais o ambos rey y gobierno una casa digna pues estan realmente caras. Donde vivo yo en cosa de 3 años, las casas han subido el doble. Tal vez en el 2025 tenga casa aqui. Creo que es mas inteligente buscarse la vida en otro estado sea en america o la union europea. Y para colmo no hay ningun ministerio de asuntos familiares los cuales den ayudas reales. asi no se puede vivir en spain. cuando encuentre trabajo, os avisare, Ramon
Exhibiting your ignorance on a public forum is not usually a good idea.
It is virtually impossible to find a Spaniard who doesn't know what and where exactly Andalucia is. It would be as extremely rare as, for example, finding a British who doesn't know about Wales or Scotland. Obviously, mentioning that in the article wasn't intended for the Spanish audience.
Not really. Two years ago we started to use electricity. They say that in just 50 years we will have computers and Internet. Sorry, I will continue later with this post... I have to go down to the river for some water.
I gotta tell ya something. You've been infected, so go somewhere else, OK????? Fu*king moron
some?? are you kidding??? 99.9% of them!!! I've been in Spain and have seen many things there (more bad than good).
Yeah,some English people love to be living like a 100 years ago with queens, colonies and stuff. Deh
Yeah, both Spanish and English people like to live like a 100 years ago with queens and kings and stuff. Wherever you are, support the republicans (say no to the king!!!). ALL this is stuff is really obvious -just say no!
+#if defined(__alpha__) && defined(CONFIG_PCI) /*
+
+ * The meaning of life, the universe, and everything. Plus
+ * this makes the year come out right.
+ */
+ year -= 42;
+#endif
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