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FSF Announces Corporate Patronage Program

Andy Tai writes "The Free Software Foundation has announced a 'Corporate Patronage Program' to allow companies to support the work of the FSF. The members already include IBM, HP, Ada Core Technologies and MySQL. Interested parties should contact Ravi Khanna."

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  1. Suggestion... by LinuxParanoid · · Score: 5, Insightful


    The FSF should at least offer to make the company's names on its Patron sponsor list linkable to the companys' websites. It is 2003 you know.

    I hate having to go to Google to type in "OEone Corporation" to find out who the heck they are.

    --LP

  2. Time was when.... by tomlord · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Time was when contributions to FSF funded programmers busy writing new free software. This appears to be far less the case, these days -- at a period of time when, 10 years ago, I would have predicted that FSF would now be doing more or less what RHAT does.

    This is a delicate criticism, of course. It's not at all that where there money goes isn't important -- far from it.

    But, hey, where's my "complete GNU system" (other than in arguments that various non-FSF distributions should be called GNU/Linux)?

    -t

    1. Re:Time was when.... by the+Atomic+Rabbit · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think the reason is that, unlike 10 years ago, many companies are now in the business of writing free software. There's no reason for the FSF to take donations to do something that businesses such as Red Hat are already doing. The FSF is going where it's needed - providing legal support to ensure that existing free software remains free, and providing hosting services for volunteer-run projects.

    2. Re:Time was when.... by mslinux · · Score: 2, Interesting

      where's my "complete GNU system" How about Debian GNU/Linux? It's 100% GPL if you install it w/o all the non-GPL stuff (and it is installable that way). Just becasue the FSF didn't provide the kernel doesn't mean that Debian is not a "complete GNU system"

      When you think about it, there are lots of "complete systems" that use FSF software, netbsd, freebsd, openbsd, MAC OS X, etc.

    3. Re:Time was when.... by tomlord · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think the reason is that, unlike 10 years
      ago, many companies are now in the business of writing free software.

      Not really. Not in the comprehensive way that was once the FSF agenda. Sure, companies doing development in fairly narrow (and not infrequently private or even proprietary) areas -- but no big R&D push comperable to the effort that FSF had going. Lot's of company-oriented projects that have the hearts and minds of volunteers, though.
      (And isn't that last point at least unseemly?)

      The FSF is going where it's needed - providing legal support to ensure that existing free
      software remains free, and providing hosting
      services for volunteer-run projects.

      Some of what the FSF is doing (you left out advocacy) is very important. I don't disagree about that. That's why it's a delicate criticism -- I also have a lot of respect for the FSF.

      I'm not even sure that the Right Thing is for the FSF to change here -- only to raise the issue on /. to see what folks might have to say.

      -t

    4. Re:Time was when.... by dspeyer · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Right here

      Seriously, the FSF originally set out to make it so that you could run a completely free system, and now you can. I do it; so do many others I know.

      The FSF's task now is to make sure it remains possible -- i.e. no SSSCA, no DMCA'ed .doc format, sane or relatively impotent patents, and a legal environment in which free software feels like a safe choice to managers. When we started out, the biggest threat was actually needing something that only proprietary software offered, but that's not the big threat now.

      Sure, more software needs to be written, but we are writing it. The FSF looks to secure our most vulnerable points.

      P.S. Debian essentially is the long-promised GNU system. The FSF dropped out of administering it pretty early, and it uses Linux not Hurd, but it is basically the promised GNU system.

    5. Re:Time was when.... by jbolden · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There really is very little software from the original FSF definition that isn't being written by the free software community that matters (for example I don't know if there is much development on "empire" but no one cares anymore). At this point the FSF serves a few roles which are important:

      1) A legal advocacy organization
      2) Giving direction on GPL related issues to the community
      3) A place for authors to drop off code if they want someone to maintain it and they aren't interested anymore.

      As for "complete GNU system" Stallman is of the opinion that Debian/Hurd would be a complete GNU system. So he obviously is happy enough with Debian even if they don't neccesarily agree with him on everything.

  3. Isnt it great? by geesus · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Its finnaly great that big companies like IBM are not only getting into the swing of writing thier own free software, but also funding other projects (like jabber). The world needs less market grabbers like Microsoft and more sharing and careing.

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    1. Re:Isnt it great? by Tackhead · · Score: 2, Interesting
      > The world needs less market grabbers like Microsoft and more sharing and careing.</hippy>

      <capitalist>And the world needs more market - so there's more pie from which everyone can try to grab a slice.</capitalist>

      I work for a commercial software developer. We build tools. Someday, those FSF hippies might build Free tools that do the job better.

      Y'know what? I can live with that. Someone writes a Free tool that beats our tools? Cool! More tools means more productive software developers. More productive software developers means more software gets written. More software being written and more people writing software, means more people we can build new tools for, and sell those tools instead. Selling tools happens to be profitable for us. It gives us money to pay our folks to build better tools. Building tools is fun. FSF rocks. And yes, we donate.

    2. Re:Isnt it great? by Synn · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Free software stimulates the market, just not the software market :)

  4. Sponsor a child similarities by guacamolefoo · · Score: 3, Funny

    Doesn't this have Sally Struthers written all over it?

    For example:

    Today, I am visiting with GNU/Linux guru Richard M. Stallman. He needs a sponsor in order to be able to afford basic human necessities, like a razor and a haircut. Not to mention, in his part of the world, there is no running water. These GNU/Linux geeks are people too, and they are deserving of our compassion. For just pennies a day, you can make a difference.

    GF.

  5. Support a very worth cause. by Mattygfunk1 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    While there are many organisations that deserve our support, the I have an even bigger soft spot for the Free Software Foundation.

    Here's hoping that both companies and individuals support it by the bucketload.

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  6. Ooo... by Chester+K · · Score: 4, Funny

    Quick, someone tell Microsoft about this! I bet they'd love to sign on!

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    NO CARRIER
    1. Re:Ooo... by jbx · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, Microsoft's "corporate values" program encompasses the Microsoft "Giving Campaign". That "Giving Campaign" encourages donations to charitable organizations with a 100% match by Microsoft of any employee donation. The only restriction is it can't be a purely religious organization, and it has to qualify as a 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organization - and FSF does. (After all, if you're going to write off your half of the donation, Microsoft wants to, too.)

      Anyway, my point is, I'd be surprised if Microsoft wasn't already supporting the FSF a little - because employee donations are matched under the Giving Campaign. I know that there is already quite a bit of support among Microsofties for the EFF.

      Probably the support would be more widespread, except the GPL is too restrictive for GPL-licensed software to be used in any Microsoft product - though there's lots of stuff compiled with GCC that ships out - like the WebTV console's software. Free software distributed under the less restrictive library licenses, like the png decoder or the boost library, is widespread.

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  7. GNU/IBM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    their only demand for the system is that you prepend GNU/ on your company name.

    it had to be said.

  8. this is a good thing by dh003i · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is a good thing. The FSF is getting corporations involved in free (libre) software. Goes to counteract all those nay-sayers who say "RMS and the FSF are communists!" No, they're not communists. Not even close. In fact, RMS and the FSF have repeatedly scolded licenses which are "like the GPL" but prevent corporations from using them on those terms.

    1. Re:this is a good thing by dh003i · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Gee, working with corporations for a common goal, as opposed to calling them the evil capitalist schwein of the world, sort of indicates to me that they aren't communists.

  9. and microsoft should announce by stonebeat.org · · Score: 2, Funny

    "corporate espionage program", to support there "user/computer tracking" database.

  10. I'm opposed. by I+Am+The+Owl · · Score: 2, Funny

    This kind of cooperation with the bourgeoisie exploiters cannot be tolerated! I demand an immediate reversal of direction by the FSF!

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    --sdem
  11. Oh the Irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Patent happy IBM is supporting a group attempting to get rid of software patents. IBM is cruising for a corporate identity crisis. Who will win? IBM's Hackers and marketers or IBM's lawyers?

    1. Re:Oh the Irony by RodgerDodger · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why does there have to be a conflict?

      Is it not at least possible that IBM has decided that, under current IP laws, it makes sense to grab as many patents as possible, but that it would also make sense to loosen IP laws?

      If you're convinced that you're the smartest guy on the block, this is an appropriate stance to take. After all, if nobody can understand your technology better than you, you won't lose much by letting other people use it as long as you can use theirs (which, presumably, you'll soon be able to understand better than them as well).

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      "Software is too expensive to build cheaply"
  12. Re:Seriously... by Narchie+Troll · · Score: 3, Funny

    It's a GNU, you irrepressible rantallion.
    Why the hell should the FSF throw out 15+ years of brand recognition on the say-so of someone called "Eric_Cartman_South_P?"

    Now that you mention it, the bald eagle is ugly. And "bald" suggests old. We'd better change the national seal RIGHT NOW!

  13. Re:Seriously... by Eric_Cartman_South_P · · Score: 2, Interesting
    It's a GNU, you irrepressible rantallion.

    Thanks... I know. Many times what I see as fun dry sarcasm (the false naivety of not knowing the GNU logo, as reflected in my original post) gets across as simply idiotic. That's the risk I take when I type first and think second, maybe?

    As much as I love GNU/FSF and enjoy the fruits of their labor, I think that in the real world, acceptance by companies and customers and clients el. al. involves MARKETING. And as far as that goes, IMHO the GNU logo is rather; well, to risk karma+life... ugly. Just my opinion. I own a small biz. I don't have $500 to throw into it for a one year membership, but I plan to soon (yes, I really do plan on joining, and the link will find it's way into my .sig). But I won't put that FSF logo on my home page as much as I would have likes to. I coded my site and did all my graphics and the simple yet crisp look of the page IMO is sweet. But! Putting that GNU head on my front page is not going to happen, as much as I'd like to have bragged to friends+clients about supporting the FSF (as a geek, it is sure to get me bragging rights over a beer with friends). Maybe IBM and the other members might feel the same way? I could imagine a nice little logo making it's way onto IBM's front page, but someone their size is sure to not want that "Boars Head(TM) Roast Beef Sold Here Fresh Daily" logo.

    Maybe www.fark.com can help in creating a new logo? Using Gimp, of course.

  14. Re:Seriously... by gimpboy · · Score: 2, Informative

    perhaps you would prefer the meditating gnu. it's one of my favorites. you have others to choose from, many of which are similar to the one you dont like. there is another nice one for you page here. if you dont like the mascot, i think you are just shit out of luck. i doubt they will be changing it any time soon :).

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    -- john
  15. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 3, Interesting

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  16. No irony - FSF isn't anti-patent by JohnQPublic · · Score: 3, Informative

    The FSF has never taken a position against software patents, and has actually been rather restrained in its critism of them. For example, when the W3C tried to deal with the problem of incorporating patented technology into their standards, the FSF's only objection was that the patent license was too narrow.

    Now, the League for Programming Freedom has a completely different take on the topic. Since it can be hard to tell its core members from those of the FSF, you're excused from the mistake this time :-)

  17. Good move -- but what does the FSF really do? by jwr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is a good move -- hopefully many companies will catch on and the FSF will get sponsorship. But what worries my is that the FSF is an organization whose goals are not clearly stated. I, for one, am not sure what exactly FSF can and cannot do. I've spent some time looking for a charter, or a set of rules governing this organization and haven't found any on the FSF web site. All I found was talk and marketing.

    I believe this should be particularly alarming to software authors who assign copyrights to the FSF. I would be rather wary of transferring rights to my work to an organization, unless I understood very clearly what the organization can can cannot do with them. Try to find that out from the FSF web site.

    Yes, I have contacted the FSF about this. I was told that the documents were not put online because of lack of volunteer time.

  18. International structure by Pflipp · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I have a little trouble grokking FSF's international structure.

    On FOSDEM, FSF Europe was present, as well as RMS. While the FSFE was doing its own campaign, RMS was handing "FSF Associate Membership Sign-up" cards, with all the numbers in dollars on it and the address in Boston.

    While Free Software is an international thing, I'd like to see some kind of representation back from where the funds came. For instance, spending high $$ on fighting American law structures is just so-and-so relevant to me, as long as the Netherlands/ Europe have their own situation.

    I think that if the FSF would be willing to accept international donations in general, it should also take some time to explain how it benefits people outside of America (or how it doesn't, I don't care if it advertises well, but I'd like to get the picture), and how a donation to the American "chapter" affects the FSF Europe or another local chapter.

    OTOH, if the FSF wants Europeans to become a member of the FSF Europe instead, to better support that organisation and local issues, they should also make that clear.

    Just my 2 eurocents.

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