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EDS Silent On New CEO's IT Consulting Past

theodp writes "Slate reports on the press release issued by IT consulting giant EDS to announce new CEO Michael H. Jordan that curiously doesn't show Jordan to have any experience in the IT consulting field. In the late '90s, Jordan helped create IT consulting firm Luminant, took it public, and served as chairman of its board for 21 months. Luminant raised $80+ million from its IPO and paid $422 million to buy businesses as part of its pure-play roll-up strategy before filing Chapter 11 and having its assets sold for a mere $3 million. Slashdot readers may remember Luminant as the wacky workplace of My Fake Job, in which an ex-"Late Night" writer described 17 days he spent faking a job at the dot-com."

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  1. Ex Lumie by hhawk · · Score: 2, Informative

    I worked at Luminant and Michael did work there... although I don't think he had much if anything to do with the day to day managment. I was hoping he would have had a very active role but I didn't see it.

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  2. from baseball to basketball to IT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    After a failed career as a member of the Chicago White Sox minor league team...and a lackluster return to the NBA, I suppose he now had some divine inspiration to try his hand at IT Consulting?

    Should've stayed retired, man.

  3. Another proof by niom · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That a high profile failure is better than a low profile success, at least in the management world. I can't understand it, but then again I'm just a lowly engineer.

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    -- Repeat with me: "There is no right to profits".
    1. Re:Another proof by Rinikusu · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A prominent CEO was once asked what makes a great CEO:
      "Good decisions, boy, Good decisions," he answered.
      Asked how one learns to make good decisions, he answered:
      "Bad decisions, boy, Bad decisions."

      The key is learning from the mistakes of the past and not repeating them. And I don't know about you, but if I were to do a collosal fuck-up, I'd be more certain to be extra-careful and mindful the next time a similar situation arose.

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      If you were me, you'd be good lookin'. - six string samurai
    2. Re:Another proof by Billly+Gates · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Speaking of learning from fuck-ups if you got fired from a job would you put that as an asset on your resume? Or do you think it would HR or the interviewer would look at this is an asset or a potiental liability?

      If you did no one would hire you or it would count agaisnt you when being interviewed. You really have to show the interviewer that you learned from your mistakes or you were just not good for that particular position.

      Mysteriously CEO's are not subjected to this stigma even though regular workers are. One worker fucking up will only do minor damage but a CEO fucking up could ruin thousands of jobs and millions in wealth!

      It should be the other way around if anything. Yes we learn from our mistakes but why should I trust Mr. Smith as a new CEO if he got canned? I do not care if he learned from his mistakes. I would not let him work here if I were part of the board of directors. If this is how it works on poen level jobs then it should also work this way on executive positions.

      My theory is that networking as well as psychology (group association theory) plays a more important role.

  4. ITS A MATTER OF PERSPECTIVE by Syncroswitch · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You dont need IT experiance to lead or start in that position, your not doing the grunt work in a firm that size. you hire experts to handle the IT and consulting part. His job was to assemble the crew, and steer the ship (into the rocks...). It dosent seem to me to need to be listed as IT consulting background. rather as executive experiance. the skills you need there are sneakiness, a lack of morals, and an absence of ethics classes. I think he has already demonstrated those skills quite well. I wish him good luck, as I make a note to keep his connections out of my portfolio...

  5. A better idea... by ajuda · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Rather than spending millions on 1 guy who doesn't know much about technology, wouldn't the company be better off hiring a few hundred low to mid level tech people? No wonder all these companies are going bankrupt.

    1. Re:A better idea... by Rob.Mathers · · Score: 3, Insightful

      While on the surface your idea sounds alright, it's really not a good one. A company with 100 employees but no leader will fail. You need to have a good CEO and management for a company to achieve anything. It's like waging a war (perhaps not the best analogy given world events, but nevermind). You have all sorts of low level officers to make tactical decisions, but you still need generals planning the whole thing in order to have a cohesive strategy.
      Sure, a few tech people can get the work done, but they probably can't oversee the entire company and set up a solid business plan.

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  6. Does it matter ? by ramzak2k · · Score: 3, Informative

    Does it really matter that Luminant was not successful business model and it failed under the effects of the Dot bomb crash ?

    When advertising the appointment of a new CEO why would a company mention his negatives like
    "he was at the driving seat of a tech company that that ran into bankruptcy". It would be obvious that they would dwell on what he did successfully.

    Also, just because someone failed in a dot com start-up would not strip him of all the success he seems to have enjoyed - and he seems to have had quite a lot of it.
    - 10 years at McKinsey
    - Pepsi, where he rose to president and CEO of PepsiCo WorldWide Foods
    - Turned the old industrial company Westinghouse into a New York media heavyweight

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  7. he just needs money by SHEENmaster · · Score: 2, Funny

    The baseball money only buys so much booze and so many hookers; we all know that IT Consulting is a business in which everyone makes it big and ends up a millionaire.

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    You can't judge a book by the way it wears its hair.
  8. big dick brown by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    As an EDS employee, I think anyone would be better than former CEO Big Dick Brown. Big Dick drove EDS into the ground. He was too busy building jets in the air, running squirrels, and herding cats to care about the business. The finical woes of EDS had nothing to do with the IT consulting, it had more to do with poor business decisions. He was canned board of directors and received a $35mil severance package. He has publicly stated that he needed the money because his wife has expensive tastes. What a load of crap.

    Jordan done good things at CBS and hopefully he can turn EDS around. The first thing he did was to bring Jeff Heller back. Jeff Heller was with EDS from 1968-2002. I'm sure his reason for leaving had something to do with Big Dick Brown.

  9. Couldn't be worse than Dick by Ars-Fartsica · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The previous CEO was gutting the business, gutting employee moral, and gutting the share price.

    Lou Gerstner wasn't a tech guy either and he saved IBM.

  10. Good things? by martins99 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Well, one good thing is that I, as an EDS employee:

    -> Won't see the "Action, urgency and excellence" emails no more..

    -> Perhaps can sell the book, written by Mr Brown, on EBay for loads of money in 10 years?

    *rofl*

    1. Re:Good things? by knewman_1971 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Nor will you...ever...have to see...an email with...an absolute...overabundance of...ellipses... I'm dancing the happy dance of "No More Dick" with... Action...Urgency...Excellence!

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  11. con + insult = consult by stonebeat.org · · Score: 3, Funny

    a consultant comes in, cons you in giving them all your money, and then insults you :)
    I read this in a Scott Adams' book. :)

  12. Understandable by dodgyville · · Score: 4, Funny

    We all have things in our past we don't like to talk about.
    For me, it was the period in the early nineties when I wore
    silver parachute pants and hypercolour t-shirts.

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    apt-get install deathstar && deathstar alderaan && echo "You're far too trusting"
  13. Fuck em... by Nezer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    They laid me off in 2001. Management there as a whole is clueless (moreso than average). It was an *awful* enviornment entagled so deep in political wrangling it was a miracle we ever acomplished anything. Our customers hated us. The employees hated management. Management treated employees like shit. Everyone was afraid of getting canned so they could spend more money re-doing the christmas decorations at the corporate HQ in Plano.

    I once heard a Poli-Sci guy once say that a people gets the government it deserves. In this case I have to say a company gets the management it deserves.

    Now that Dick Brown is gone perhaps that book they gave me (written by one of Dick's proxies) might actually be worth something more than toilet paper.

    One good thing, perhaps all the lame emails from Dick would send out every month bragging about using the corporate jet to visit important clients in Hawaii (or some other equally exotic location) will finally come to an end.

    My group couldn't even order a pair of hard disks to monitor systems and this fucker is flying all over the world looking for more customers to screw.

    As far as I'm concerned... The fuckers deserve what they get.

    DISCLAIMER: I'm a bit bitter still so this view should be taken with a grain of salt. Perhaps my area was exceptionally bad.

  14. Why EDS Sucks by argoff · · Score: 3, Interesting

    IMHO, EDS is evil - stay away.

    At one large multi-national company I worked for, EDS made this cozy deal with high level managers - and our company signed a very long term IT outsorcing contract at a very expensive rate. Of course the contract stipulated that EDS would take over all IT services within the company.

    After my company was locked in, EDS proceeded to hire a large number of low wage McWorkers who were billed out at an extremely expensive rate as consultants. Of course, I doubt some could even figure out how to use a mouse, but that did not stop them from trying to run all the infrascructure and datacenters. It was truely an amazing sight.

    Thankfully, at the time - the dot.com boom was still going pretty strong so it didn't take much to quietly tip-toe out the door as the IT department fell into chaos. I'm still sorry for them to this day, poor souls.

    1. Re:Why EDS Sucks by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Happens everywhere, not just EDS.

      To offer a counterexample: I did work for a telco who had outsourced all their IT management, procurement and support to EDS. I was pleasantly surprised at how efficient these guys were running things. Everything from support to getting new software on your PC or a new PC itself was efficient and fast. The EDS guys worked with the comfidence that comes with experience. When we audited their operation, we found everything fully documented.

      If this is a representative example of how they work, I'd hire them anytime.

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      If construction was anything like programming, an incorrectly fitted lock would bring down the entire building...
  15. un-iLuminant? by watchful.babbler · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Well, that's amusing -- I worked for one of the dot-coms purchased by Luminant; during the due diligence process, they told me roughly what they were ready to pay, and I told them they were insane -- we had lackluster management, overstaffed departments, a poor sales record, and our clients were hiring away our own programmers and project managers to take their sites in-house. And yet they bought us anyway, with predictably dismal results.

    To me, combining that kind of incisive decisionmaking with the geniuses at EDS who allowed the geeks-gone-wild environment of Chaos2Order to flourish ("Mister accountant dude, you know what we need? A car! In our ninth-floor office! And we need, like, a crane to get it in here!") means that I should either dump my stock, or offer to let them buy my consulting business.

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    "Freedom is kind of a hobby with me, and I have disposable income that I'll spend to find out how to get people more."
  16. Re:EDS has their thumb in many pies by Linegod · · Score: 2, Informative

    You do know the Saskatchewan government turned down the EDS proposol don't you?
    http://www.gov.sk.ca/newsrel/releases/2003/03/06-1 29.html.
    And I believe CGI and TMC have more Government contracts in Sask than EDS. .

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    -- I care not for your foolish signatures.
  17. Re:Wrong by DaedalusHKX · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Actually you are mistaken. I worked for a state government in VA, for the educational branch. I hate to dissapoint you (actually it is my pleasure but the political bullshit must be obeyed).

    The IT department there was quite enlightened, sadly the site managements were all in varied degree of ignorance and it was THEY, not the IT director that made the first AND final decisions regarding to IT. Hell they even had priviledge to cut you off in the middle of a budget opinion meeting to demand you return to the site to reboot a server. Then they bitched that their computer related budget got cut again... well DUH!

    So whether the REAL IT crew is brilliant or stupid... getting to work with a brilliant site manager or having their rights to screw your priorities rescinded, you CANNOT win, site managers only care about being as cheap as possible and cutting every corner. When that is done... things fail, supplies are in short demand, and YOU get the bad review for "not solving all the problems adequately."

    Period.

    Maybe you live in the one cubicle world where the ignorant pricks don't rule absolute... but if you have ANY government work... be prepared to SUFFER if you are managed by suits or uniforms. They only care about the bottom line and well they should.

    I've said my piece and vented my anger at upper and lower management.

    -DaedalusHKX

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    " What luck for rulers that men do not think" - Adolf Hitler
  18. Nah... by Jonathan · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There's a basketball player named Michael Jordan? I would have thought that the ./ crowd would be fans of yet a third Michael Jordan, the well known machine learning researcher

  19. How can it be worse? by Seahawk91 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I am on the pointy end of the NMCI stick as one of the first 30,000 of the supposed 350,000 seats that EDS is supposed to roll out for the government. The contract is three years behind schedule (hey, it was a four year contract) and Congress recently approved them for two more years (I guess they were doing a really good job). The contract costs my boss $4,000 a year to rent (yes, rent)a 900 MHZ Dell Laptop. But, without that rental, we will no longer be able to communicate with the rest of the organization. If I want to upgrade to a CD burner or heavens forbid a DVD player, they are an extra $350 a year to rent..each. That is OK since I have to have NMCI tech support install the drivers at $150 a tech support call. Oh that is right, EDS is cash strapped. Apparently $8 billion to roll out 350,000 1998 Dells is just not enough. When will the madness end?

    1. Re:How can it be worse? by Seahawk91 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Every seat rolled out gets a payoff. In fact, I have payed for two of my sub-contractors even though they do not have NMCI seats. I am told that we will get the money back when we initiate the final claim against EDS. So, you have at least $8000 that you have not yet (if ever) earned.

      Let's move on to a small detail of the contract...you must remove equipment currently onsite. We pay you to do this. However, something that just arrived on this base was a $6 Million dollar PBX Cisco router that you just removed. I do not blame EDS, I blame the fool that wrote the contract...don't worry, they received bonuses also. They left the current router in place and, as if by magic, we still have the same quality phone service as before NMCI was here.

      Final note, the latest practices of these theives is that they are not even updating the hardware. They take legacy machines (600 MHZ and below that were already in place), update the operating system to Win 2K and give them back. Wow, $4K lease for Win2K now. Don't tell Microsoft, they may get jealous and raise the prices of Win2003.

  20. I wish EDS luck. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I wish EDS better luck than past Jordan companies.

    I used to work for a company known as Westinghouse Electric Corporation. Mike H. Jordan came to us from Pepsico after previous CEO's nearly bankrupted us through incompetence, but at least it was well intentioned incompetence (lost 4 Billion USD in bad Florida real estate).

    Jordan didn't know anything about Westinghouse either, other than we had Group W broadcasting. That would be the start of his media empire that he appearantly wanted to build.

    Short version: Mike comes in as Westinghouse CEO, buys CBS, Westinghouse changes name to CBS. CBS sells off all non communications assets. Viacom buys CBS and Jordan goes elsewhere.

    All during this time, Jordan and his buddies pay themselves royally while killing a company that while a bit down in the dumps, could have survived. I'm sure George Westinghouse and Nikola Telsa are still rolling in their graves.

    It sounds like after that, he destroyed another company, Luminate. I'm sure he got paid real well for that one also.

    I give EDS 3 years or less.

  21. Re:Simply More Evidence by hhawk · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don' think that one needs to have IT exp. as Lou proves, BUT the point here is the left a key fact off his resume.

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  22. The Whole Article by therevan · · Score: 2, Informative

    I posted the whole thing on my school space, for anyone who wants a great read:

    My Fake Job

  23. EDS sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    As a civilian employee of the Navy, I can attest to the fact that EDS "IT consultants" are a bunch of know-nothing crooks. They were given a huge contract to create a network for the Navy/Marine Corps (NMCI) and have done nothing but screw it up. People can't do any development on it (and we are a research lab), it doesnt work with ERP software, and it routinely loses or outright deletes people's mail or mailboxes. The only explanation people in the trenches have of this sorry mess is that there were huge kickbacks somewhere between the DoD/Navy and EDS.

  24. Four words for you. by dsk052 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    THE OLD BOY NETWORK