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Knoppix 3.2 Available

TheCrimsonUnbeliever writes "The latest version of Knoppix (bootable Linux distribution on CD) is out - New features include: KDE 3.1.1 - XFree86 4.3 - Evolution 1.2.1 - OpenOffice 1.0.2 - KOffice 1.2.1 - The ability to create a home directory on a memory stick or similar - More information is available at the KNOPPIX English homepage." If you're getting started with Knoppix (and speak English), you should also check out knoppix.net for the excellent forums hosted there.

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  1. Great! by CoolVibe · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've been waiting for this "ultimate sysadmin's bootdisk" to include kde 3.1.1. This iso saved my life several times already. Go get it! Go knoppix team!

    1. Re:Great! by suyashs · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yep, its a great system! I love the way that I don't have to rely on anybody's system configuration for my documents and information. Just pop in the disc and off I go!

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    2. Re:Great! by CoolVibe · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I tell ya, this thing is a live saver. It saved my ass in the colo the other day when a coworker decided to blow up /etc on a box. I was able to copy over the /etc tree from a working box across nfs, it saved the day.

      Sure there are other emergency rescue disks out there, but none of them are as complete as knoppix.

    3. Re:Great! by bucketoftruth · · Score: 3, Informative

      The best Sysadmin boot disk IMO is Toms RTBT. I use the enchilada cdrom iso myself. Very tight and no compatibility problems ever.

  2. Great job! by Blaine+Hilton · · Score: 5, Informative

    I am a big fan of Knoppix, "Linux on a CD" is a great idea. It's also a great tool to have for diagnostics when you can't load the regular O/S. I can't wait to try this new edition.

  3. Knoppix Rocks by PhatKat · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This OS runs faster than my installation of windows and it runs entirely off 1 CD. So cool.

    1. Re:Knoppix Rocks by Sancho · · Score: 4, Informative

      Having run Knoppix on the same machine as Windows, I sincerely doubt that Knoppix actually runs faster than Windows (unless you are running in console mode, and it's hardly fair to compare that to any windowing environment). The sheer amount of swapping required in Knoppix is astounding, unless your system has 1gb+ of memory. And that's assuming a swap partition on your disk--something Knoppix doesn't require. Pulling everything from the cdrom (and then decompressing it) is an agonizingly slow process.

    2. Re:Knoppix Rocks by penguinboy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Speed must vary greatly from system to system, then. I use Knoppix from CD on the lab computers (P4 1.7, 128MB RAM, no swap partition) at school occasionally and it runs quite well for web browsing and photo-editing with the Gimp.

    3. Re:Knoppix Rocks by SirDaShadow · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I wish I had mod points today, this is FUD, FUD, BS, troll, whatever you name it. It's true that Knoppix is unable to open certain memory-hog apps without a swapfile but it's a far cry from being slow and even a farther cry from using 1GB. I have found 256MB without swapfile is more than adequate to run anything in Knoppix. If you have a machine with less than 256MB nowadays you prolly are an AOLuser. Happy swapping! :)

  4. Wonderful! by Badge+17 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Knoppix is just the thing that I've been looking for to convert friends and family to Linux - worked with several people.

    Does anyone know if this latest version still has the odd bug where XP systems seem to boot incorrectly? This has been the major obstacle to getting it accepted at school - still worries about it affecting the computers.

    1. Re:Wonderful! by Vermyndax · · Score: 3, Informative

      I've been using 3.2 for about a week or so now and haven't experienced any dual boot troubles with XP. The only thing to be aware of is that you will have to correct your lilo.conf to add the Windows XP partition back in after installing Knoppix to the hard drive...

  5. Yay by Unregistered · · Score: 2, Interesting

    while my Knoppix 3.1 cds are fine for mow i'm glad the knoppix folks are so quick w/ updates.

    Knoppix is great for a sys where you can't install an OS. I still use my gentoo livecds for repair, but i never leave home w/out a knoppix CD. (I'm such a nerd)

  6. Re:Home dir on memory stick? by twiztidlojik · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's similar to having all your my documents, desktop etc in one folder. This folder happens to reside on a memory stick instead of C:\documents and settings\yournamehere.

    Or something like that. Feel free to flame & berate me at will.

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  7. Does it come... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    with a large selection of fake Windows login screens, so I can reboot a public computer with this disc and collect a few login/password pairs?

    1. Re:Does it come... by Adam9 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I've always wondered how many usernames and passwords I could capture as an experiment. Seriously. Windows 2k/XP requires you to press ctrl+alt+del to bypass this sort of thing to get access to the login screen. But what if you just left the login screen up without the ctrl+alt+del message? Do you think anyone would notice? I could say, with a high probability, that I would probably even be fooled. Anyone else ever think about this?

  8. english? by jfroot · · Score: 4, Funny

    If you're getting started with Knoppix (and speak English), you should also check out knoppix.net for the excellent forums hosted there.

    I think one can assume english is spoken if you're reading an english web site.

    1. Re:english? by concatenation · · Score: 5, Funny

      Apua! Missä minä olen?! :-(

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    2. Re:english? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Apua! Missä minä olen?!

      This translates to "Help! Where am I?!" for those whose grasp of the Finnish language is less than perfect.

  9. Re:Home dir on memory stick? by TheCrimsonUnbeliever · · Score: 3, Informative

    On linux /home/[you] is where all of your settings are saved (for you logged in as [you])

    In many systems it is the only area that is writeable for you as a normal user (not running in admin mode)

    For KNOPPIX - this means that all your settings will be carried around with you - But not all of your hardware condiguration - So you will be booting into 'your' desktop everywhere you go

    All I need now is a supported stick

  10. default language by Kircle · · Score: 4, Informative

    make sure you get the latest version of 3.2 and not, say for example, the one from v3.2-3-21-2003. they changed the default language from german back to english...

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  11. Knoppix is great by ctid · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is just another testimonial for Knoppix. Quite apart from all the other nice things people are saying about it, when I plug in my NEX IIe MP3 player, Knoppix recognizes it straightaway and places a link to its filesystem on the desktop!

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  12. Re:Home dir on memory stick? by c0dedude · · Score: 4, Informative

    To claify, say you want file winfix. It's not included on the Knoppix distro, so you make a USB memory stick with you home directory. You'd put winfix on that stick, and it'd register at boottime, and when it was fully loaded, your winfix file from the stick would be in /home/$yourname/, easily accessable. It's because 1. you can't write to a CD-R (duh) and 2. any files you create would be stored on a ramdrive, unless you acessed the hard drive, in which case they would be stored locally on that one box. Storing files on a USB memory stick allows you to keep all your knoppix tools and stuff togather. I hope this helps to clear things up.

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  13. Downloaded yesterday by perotbot · · Score: 5, Informative

    Got it, burned it, loved it. Easiest way to install Debian on x86. They put alot of thought in it. One lesser known feature is that it detects wlans and automatically configures the cards to access it. (provided that there is no WEP installed) so it works great at Starbucks....Latte and linux!

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  14. Re:Main OS of a computer by perotbot · · Score: 3, Informative

    couldn't be easier, CTRL-ALT-F1 to get the root console and knx-hdinstall to run the installer, setup the disk with cfdisk and then it copies away, 4 config questions, done.

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  15. Knoppix as an installer :) by timothy · · Score: 5, Informative

    Joe Barr wrote a good piece about this; I'm still burning my Knoppix 3.2, but I can testify that what he wrote here is a good guide for the previous versions and I'm guessing will be applicable to the new one.

    (Upshot: there's a script called something like "knxhdinstall" which leads you through formatting hard drive etc, then transfers the Knoppix base OS and included apps. Previous Linux experience strongly recommended, but it's certainly easier than going in with zero experience with, say, regular Debian :))

    I have used Knoppix as an installer for several machines; that's one reason I keep extra desktops around, for playing with different distros as we asymptotically approach The (mythical) Perfect OS.

    It works well, but there are some glitches: with some versions of Knoppix, the hard-drive install method seems to jump between English version and German version, doesn't matter that I had the EN iso, doesn't matter that the system seemed otherwise localized to English ... However, I am optimistic that this is no longer a problem with the new one :) (And my German is good enough that I could get through the German screens, so it *did work* it was just ... worrisome :)). And that was a glitch -- I forget which ISO had the German jumping, but I downloaded another one afterward (the next rev) and it worked fine.

    As a perpetual fumbler, this is the only way I have gotten Debian working well, and it was quick n' easy. Knopper deserves the computing version of the Nobel for this :)

    timothy

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  16. Re:Home dir on memory stick? by c0dedude · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yikes. That's really confusing. To define stuff: 1. Ramdrive-a virtual memory drive created in RAM
    2. /home/$yourname/ -It's where you store your stuff in unix/linux
    3. USB memory stick-something like one of these
    4. CD-R: CD-recordable- it's write only, meaning you can only change it once by burning something to it. Compared to the CD-RW, which is a CD-rewritable, which can be written more than once.
    6. Boottime-when the computer starts up.

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  17. Re:Can I use to try Linux? by Gyorg_Lavode · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yes, Knoppix will run without messing with your hard drive. You stick it in the cd-rom drive, it creates any directories that have to be writable into ram, and you can work on the computer without use of the hard drive. (This is why it is so well loved by people who continuiously have to fix computers.)

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  18. Yep by rsilvergun · · Score: 2, Informative

    It won't write to your harddrive at all, but you'll be able to make your windows harddrives readable through the mount command (the software itself might even do this for you, but I don't know). Also, if your looking for a good linux-on-a-disk distro check out gentoo's live disk at www.gentoo.org. If your system's up to snuff you can even play the linux version of Unreal Tournament 2003 demo right off the disk! You'll need an nvidia card though :(. Still, check it out.

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  19. Anyone know when KnoppixKDE will be out? by pschmied · · Score: 4, Informative

    For those who haven't tried the KnoppixKDE edition, it's great. Last I heard, the developer of this Knoppix remaster was working on a new version. Does anyone know if it is nearing completion?

    KnoppixKDE doesn't have all the software that the full Knoppix distro has, but I generally find it to be a little more comfortable and much more unified.

    The only thing that was missing (I think) in the last version was Scribus. Scribus is a QT app that comes with Knoppix that looks like it may eventually be a good alternative to Pagemaker and perhaps QuarkExpress or InDesign. It's got a ways to go, but it's already quite useable for simple layout.

    -Peter

  20. Re:Yeah, well... by dsfd · · Score: 2, Informative

    Try with Timo's rescue cd. It is based on Debian. and you can configure it to include the packages that you need. I recomend it.

    http://rescuecd.sourceforge.net/

  21. Re:Yeah, well... by AnonymousCowheart · · Score: 2, Offtopic

    Check out Peanut linux only 340mg download, not too bad.
    Not mini enough? Did you miss the os news discussion on other linux distros Check some of the ones listed there. Good luck!

  22. How about a CDRW? by pherthyl · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What if you had Knoppix on a CDRW? Would it be somehow possible to channel disk writes through a cd burning tool and save all your files directly to the cd?

    Space would be at a premium I imagine but if you deleted some of the apps you dont use.... Now THAT would be pretty amazing.

  23. Good Marketing for Linux by abcxyz · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've used this on several ocassions to show people interested in linux it's features on their own systems. They were impressed that no installation / partitioning was required and they could play without messing up their MS boxes.

    -- Rick

  24. Check out Morphix ! by IIEFreeMan · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Knoppix is great but it's quite monolithic. Morphix is Knoppix-based (with the same great hardware detection) but it is based on modules so you can customize your ISO very easily. For exemple there is a Gnome module, A KDE module, A light GUI module (with ICEwm) and so forth ...

    It's also nice because it's a clean Debian unstable whereas Knoppix was (i don't know about 3.2) based on a mix of stable/unstable packages.

    1. Re:Check out Morphix ! by Syberghost · · Score: 2, Informative

      Morphix is not quite ready for primetime, however. I'm typing this from a Morphix boot, after having spent all day remastering it twice to fix the broken autofs config, since it turns out that the HeavyGUI module overwrites /sbin (and just about everything else), rendering the work I did on the base module meaningless. Grr....

      For what it has completed so far, though, it rocks, and I will be using it a lot whenever I have to use somebody else's PC at work. (Which is what I'm doing right now.)

  25. I don't know what you mean by "available" by chrisseaton · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Knoppix 3.2 Available"

    I don't know what you mean by "available" - I certainly can't find any mirrors that will respond

    1. Re:I don't know what you mean by "available" by LinuxGeek · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'm currently downloading from Purdue @ ~50KBps. Remember that wget is your friend, don't iso images download with your browser if you can't resume.

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  26. You're missing the point of using Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Windows 2k/XP requires you to press ctrl+alt+del to prevent someone from doing this with a Windows app.

  27. Re:Somebody hang Tomothy by his toenails by CvD · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Someone should put it on Kazaa or eDonkey or somesuch. These distributed, multisource p2p apps are perfect for stuff like this.

    Cheers,

    Costyn.

  28. Re:Make your own KDE only version . by pschmied · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yes, but why reinvent the wheel? :-)

    -Peter

  29. Re:Which version? by ctid · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yep. That's the one you want. The 21st March -EN version had German as the default language!

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  30. Great! I'm buying a USB memory key today! by aquarian · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I've been waiting for this "persistent home" version of Knoppix to appear. Now when I travel I may even be able to leave my laptop behind -- all I need is a Knoppix CD, and a USB memory key.

  31. Re:nice but... by dsfd · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A friend said exactly that when I gave him a copy. Just try it and you will see:

    1-The impressive automatic configuration
    2-The quantity and quality of software included
    3-The capability to read Linux and MS filesystems, including ext3 and reiserfs

    In my home machine I just insert the CD and in a few minutes I have a Debian system running. It configures correctly all the hardware, the network card, Internet access, CD writer, sound card, VIDEO card, etc.

    Last month I bought a new video card. I just let Knoppix generate the Xfree configuration files for it, rebooted Debian Woody and it is working fine. It is also an excellent tool to test new or second hand machines before buying.

    However, to be honest, I have to say that Knoppix hangs my new Toshiba 1900-303 laptop. This seems to be strage but it may happen.

  32. Console-only hard disk install? by D4C5CE · · Score: 2, Interesting
    couldn't be easier, CTRL-ALT-F1 to get the root console and knx-hdinstall to run the installer, setup the disk with cfdisk and then it copies away, 4 config questions, done.

    While knx-hdinstall does a great job e.g. for instant exorcisms of Windows from any machine ;-) by installing a full-fledged KDE workplace from just one single CD, Knoppix also provides a nice console-based Linux when using a boot paramater such as knoppix 2 vga=ask.
    Complete with samba and CUPS, in a heterogenous LAN this does have important advantages over a single-floppy Linux.
    However, there does not seem to be an easy way yet to install just this "text mode" system through knx-hdinstall on a machine with low RAM and HDD, as the script always insists on using some 3 gigabytes of hard disk space, and filling it with loads of X stuff that may never be used. (There are other distributions without X, of course, but on the other hand there's no reason not to do it with Knoppix either.)
    Has anybody successfully installed it without all of the X and KDE code on machines where startx will never be invoked, or maybe even modified knx-hdinstall for this purpose (without rebuilding the entire CD)?

  33. Speed... by aquarian · · Score: 4, Informative

    One thing that really surprised me was how fast Knoppix runs. Compared to the other distros I've had on my laptop (Redhat and Mandrake), Knoppix screams. The others were noticeably slower than Windows, while Knoppix is at least on par, maybe faster. Of course it's a little slow loading applications from a CD, but otherwise it's a screamer.

    The boot speed is incredible, especially considering all the hardware detection it's doing. I'm up and running in about 30 seconds. Win2k takes at least 3-4 minutes, every time.

    I've had little experience with Debian. People say it's faster, and now I see they're not kidding.

    1. Re:Speed... by be-fan · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You're comparing apples and oranges. Microsoft gets to leave tons of configuration info cached on the hard drive. Knoppix has to detect it all on the fly. For both to boot at about the same speed says tons about Knoppix. Of course, BeOS would boot in something like 10 seconds flat, but not every OS can BeOS.

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    2. Re:Speed... by ahaning · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What about when you install new hardware and Windows does that New Hardware Wizard thing? You think it cached that earlier? "Ah, I sense you're going to install a new video card in me! I'd better get that driver ready!"

      Maybe you should have pointed out that Windows is booting from a fast harddrive while Knoppix gets the CDROM drive, which is usually slower. Or maybe Windows is just faster (*gasp* Never!).

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  34. Demo mode in other distros ? by InodoroPereyra · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I just wonder why is it that other distros don't follow the trend, use some of knoppix' technology and add a demo mode to their installers. People could boot off the CD, see a demo, and if they like it and their hardware gets successfully detected they can go ahead and install on the disk. If I remember correctly SuSE was doing it ? How about Mandrake and RedHat ? Are they going to catch up on this one ? It looks like the way to go !

  35. Just like AOL trial cds.... by pr0c · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Although i've said this many times before when its come up... I give these things out like AOL trial cds! Whenever a new version of knoppix comes out i burn about 10 copies and hand them out to co-workers, friends and family. I give a very brief explanation of what it is and and I offer support.

    I have sucsessfully switched only a few people over (they both dual boot and only use windows if needed) but if we all got a few people switched over .... think about that :P

  36. changelog by xmnemonic · · Score: 2, Informative
    Puzzled by the different 3.2 releases? Here's an excerpt from the changelog...

    * V3.2-2003-03-23 (Experimental release)
    - KDE 3.1.1 from Debian/unstable
    - XFree 4.3
    - Language bugfixes for english version
    - Autosetup and online-help updates for OpenOffice
    - ptrace security fix for kernel 2.4.20
    - Blackdown Java-RE 1.4.1 update

    * V3.2-2003-03-21
    - samba, mozilla update
    - icewm, larswm update
    - kismet update
    - evolution, fontconfig update
    - gnomemeeting downgrade (gnome2 is broken)
    - gnome-pilot
    - cpuburn
    - dvd+rw-tools

    * V3.2-2003-02-26a (CeBit edition)
    - Lots of updates and bugfixes
    - KDE 3.1 from ktown.kde.org/~nolden/ (woody port)
    - removed desktop=gnome option until a working gnome configuration is available
    - added home=device and myconfig=device (alternate: home=scan myconfig=scan)
    bootoption for persistent homedir and persistent configuration
    - evolution 1.2.1
    - removed some older games and packages to gain space
    - openoffice 1.0.2 (german and english)

    * V3.1-2003-01-20 (Update)
    - Lots of updates and bugfixes (thanks to Oliver Diedrich and the c't team
    for testing and reports)
    - Fixed checkroot.sh script (add correct / entry after HD install)
    - isdn-config: Better support for non-hisax ISDN cards
    - More KDE menu reordering
    - sitar update

    Full changelog at ftp://ftp.webtrek.com/pub/mirrors/knoppix/KNOPPIX- CHANGELOG.txt
  37. I didnt see one by Erect+Horsecock · · Score: 2, Interesting

    But is there a distro like knoppix for PPC?

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  38. It works for Gentoo, as well by Mitchell+Mebane · · Score: 3, Informative

    Granted, it's not quite the same league as using Knoppix as a Debian installer, but you can use Knoppix to install Gentoo Linux as well, so you can actually use your PC while compiling stuff, instead of having it useless for a couple of days. Pretty sweet, I must say.

    See here for details.

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    1. Re:It works for Gentoo, as well by yokem_55 · · Score: 3, Informative

      The only catch with this though is that unless you have a lot of memory, or doing a stage3 install, the bootstrap and emerge system will a little longer because of less available memory. Otherwise it works really, really well, especially since the laptop network card support on the gentoo live cd's is somewhat incomplete.

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  39. Re:Somebody hang Tomothy by his toenails by EvilNTUser · · Score: 2, Funny

    "These distributed, multisource p2p apps are perfect for stuff like this."

    Wanna bet 99% of the users don't bother with checksums? The words "massively parallel" and "r00t3d" aren't ones I'd like to see together in a sentence, thank you very much :-)

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  40. number gone? Good! by timothy · · Score: 2, Funny

    It was from some spammer advertising a cable descrambling device. I talked to the guy who answered the phone (I love calling 800 numbers attached to spam), and he was ruder than he should have been. Of course, by sending spam he'd already been ruder than he should have been, but I digress ...

    So, if that sig is outdated, good -- I hope the whole operation dried up and shriveled away.

    timothy

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  41. Works great, ultimate linux demo (more than demo?) by bigberk · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I downloaded and burned the English Knoppix CD, and booted it up... I'm using it right now, listening to streaming audio and working on my homework (from a data partition on my hard drive) using OpenOffice.

    This is great, because I get to try out the new XFree86 without bothering to install it on my HD. Fonts look better than before.

    You know what wouldn't be too crazy... leave a knoppix CD in public workstations and have a computer startup the OS, connect to the network (DHCP) automatically. You're ready to go. You've got web browsing and Open Office, and multimedia.

  42. Fantastic for new users by jasontheking · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've just given away about 50 knoppix 3.1 CDs at a user group show in melbourne. Its great , you don't have to touch your hard drive at all, and the instructions are dead simple.

  43. Re:Advice for Nero Users by allolex · · Score: 3, Informative

    Many use Nero with no problems... many however do have problems.

    The Knoppix developers have some documentation on how to burn Knoppix CDs with Nero.

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  44. Re:Somebody hang Tomothy by his toenails by CvD · · Score: 2, Informative

    Okay, well, I've downloaded the latest Knoppix ISO and am running Overnet, so here's the eDonkey link (you would be able to download from me if you have Overnet or the hybrid client):

    ed2k://|file|KNOPPIX_V3.2-2003-03-24-EN.iso|7318 73 280|931571d31ff327cc95f850173ec15194|/

    (sorry, slash won't let me make a valid clickable link; and make sure you get the spaces out that slash puts in)

    Cheers,

    Costyn.