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LCD Display/Image Capture Device

Jon writes "Remember jokes about clueless newbies trying to fax documents by holding them up to the monitor? Perhaps they were just ahead of their time. Toshiba has developed a combined LCD/optical sensor, according to EETimes. It isn't monitor sized yet, but in a few years, perhaps?"

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  1. 1984 by CrosbieSmith · · Score: 4, Funny

    Aaarrgh! My screen is watching me!

    1. Re:1984 by Judg3 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Ah, you mean this chapter. And indeed, it's almost true now:

      "Behind Winston's back the voice from the telescreen was still babbling away
      about pig-iron and the overfulfilment of the Ninth Three-Year Plan. The
      telescreen received and transmitted simultaneously. Any sound that Winston
      made, above the level of a very low whisper, would be picked up by it, moreover,
      so long as he remained within the field of vision which the metal plaque
      commanded, he could be seen as well as heard. There was of course no way of
      knowing whether you were being watched at any given moment. How often, or on
      what system, the Thought Police plugged in on any individual wire was
      guesswork. It was even conceivable that they watched everybody all the time. But
      at any rate they could plug in your wire whenever they wanted to. You had to
      live--did live, from habit that became instinct--in the assumption that every
      sound you made was overheard, and, except in darkness, every movement
      scrutinized."

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  2. In Soviet Russia... by Quixote · · Score: 4, Funny
    OK, you can start posting the variants of "In Soviet Russia, the monitor watch you!" now...

  3. So much for privacy by wakeboard · · Score: 3, Interesting

    That opens up an interesting question, can some one exploite this to see what you are doing at your desk?

    ie picking your nose =]

    1. Re:So much for privacy by LePrince · · Score: 2, Funny
      How the hell did you see that????

      Oh, nevermind...

  4. Oh dear lord by mao+che+minh · · Score: 3, Funny
    We will go from having trolls posting images of the goatse guy, to posting images of "themselves", so to speak.

    Ok, I'll just come out and say it: ball sack mashed against the screen = a shockingly revolting image to be sent around the world.

  5. I just want by scorp1us · · Score: 5, Interesting

    To be able to position a webcam from computer A in front of a monitor from computer B, and reverse it. So each camera is looking at each other's monitor.

    Then I want to display crap on the screen which then gets interpreted as data (Imagine a 4x4 checkerboard, black=0, white=1, so each screen displays 16 bits at a time)

    Now use this to bridge two networks.

    Questions: How many cells can be fit on a monitor?
    How fast can you change/read the data?
    Ideally if your webcam is 320x200, you could get 64kbits per flash. If you can use 4 colors instead of two, you're upto ISDN speeds...

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    1. Re:I just want by scorp1us · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well at the last place I worked, I worked for R&D, and we were always at odds with IT. They wouldn't let us put this one computer on the network because it was leased, and not under our configuration control. But it was in the same room as a computer that was. They even faced each other... and then my idea was born. You can even fan-out to multiple networks or fan-in. I think it'd be damn cool to walkinto a room full of flashing monitors.

      It could wind up looking like the screens in the matrix, where you could see: "That was a UDP packet, and this is an ARP request..." ;-)

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    2. Re:I just want by B3ryllium · · Score: 3, Funny

      But the real question is ...

      ... was the UDP packet a redhead?

  6. disturbing ramifications... by Schwartzboy · · Score: 3, Insightful
    If this does become technically feasible and relatively inexpensive, who wants to make a bet on the display that's commonly hooked up to next generation of office desktop machines?
    Certain companies already monitor their employees to what I believe is an obsessive extent, and the ability to take a "scan" of what's in front of the monitor every X minutes is something I can see being used and abused by the "w3 0wnz j00" philosophy that a lot of businesses have with respect to their employees. Worse yet, look at this technology after a few iterations and a few million dollars, and you've got screen = scanner = webcam.

    In the dark, uncertain future of cubicle dwellers, there will be no need for paranoia...your computer is, in fact, watching you.

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    1. Re:disturbing ramifications... by ufoo · · Score: 3, Funny

      Just get a nice 19" diagonal picture of yourself to put up while you are out smoking.

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    2. Re:disturbing ramifications... by ichimunki · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Um, how hard is it to build a monitor with a built-in webcam, or even to affix one to existing monitors? Or are you trying to say that companies would only do this if they could somehow do it without anyone knowing for sure there was a camera in or on the monitor? Maybe a fixed lens that was not integral to the screen itself would be too easy to cover up with a post-it note. But what good does it do to have a live image of someone sitting at a monitor? Have you ever watched a webcam? It's incredibly dull and not likely to tell the company anything except that their employees loked bored or frustrated most of the time.

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    3. Re:disturbing ramifications... by shekondar · · Score: 2, Insightful
      the ability to take a "scan" of what's in front of the monitor every X minutes is something I can see being used and abused by the "w3 0wnz j00" philosophy that a lot of businesses have with respect to their employees
      I doubt it... a picture of an employee sitting in front of their PC won't tell them anything (how will they know if employee is doing "real work", or looking at pr0n?)

      Keystroke loggers & firewalls are better for watching what employees are really doing, and these have been around for years...

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  7. No sale by Mattygfunk1 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    This is solving a problem that has already been solved.

    Faxes around my office are usually printed computer documents that perhaps have a hand written signature. This fits beautifully into the sending slot. Why would anyone want to stand there holding the thing still while they press a button / click a mouse. No way.

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  8. Re:Why? by aflat362 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Why merge the two when they should be mutually exclusive?

    well, a Floppy drive or a cd burner or hard drive are Input and output devices - not a totally new concept to do both I and O on the same device. Given these are all storage medias and a monitor is presentation media - but how many presentation medias are there (I can think of 2) I'd be pretty suprised if there weren't speaker / microphone combos out already.

    and if it worked really well It might be nice to free up that large portion of my desk that the scanner is taking up

    This solution must be somewhat intuitive if people were holding sheets of paper up to the screen trying to fax them.

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  9. LCD + Image capture + Speaker by Vodak · · Score: 2, Funny

    combine this story with this prior slashdot story(http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/03/31/ 1453223&mode=thread&tid=196&tid=137) about turning the monitor into a speaker and you have one hell of a trim kick ass system.

  10. Imagine the spam... by scorp1us · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now spammers can see if you're really fat or not. I can also show them my schlong, so they won't 1) tell me how to make it longer and 2) tell me how I can increase my breast size.

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  11. Re:Why? by jhines0042 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Video conferencing where you don't have to look anywhere but your monitor?

    How about spying on your workplace? Security people would love to be able to "hide" a security camera in a monitor.

    Of course, to get the kind of depth of field that you would need for those applications you would need to have lenses.

    So lets look somewhere else...

    How about a portable fax machine in your PDA?...

    Or double your PDA as a scanner of text documents?

    I'm sure something cool could be done here!

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  12. Re:Why? by Angry+White+Guy · · Score: 2, Funny

    Maybe then we can get a direct picture, instead of making the videoconfrencer look like he's always looking down. I want my virura-hookers looking right at me dammit!

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  13. better invisibility cloak by Fratz · · Score: 2, Informative

    Eventually, this might lead to a better, standalone implementation of that "invisibile raincoat" thing that's been hyped over the last couple of months.

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  14. Tsk tsk, you didn't read the article... by PseudoThink · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Toshiba Matsushita Display expects the display with the image capturing function to open new consumer and business applications. The company expects the technology to be used in security applications such as fingerprint authentification." lol..."authentification"...

  15. Another example why... by StandardCell · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...technology for its own sake is a useless technology. Is it any wonder why the high-tech industry has been decimated lately?

  16. Hmph! by MoeMoe · · Score: 3, Funny

    In reality, this is just a way for computer monitors to get back at us for staring at them constantly for 16 hours a day...

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  17. Re:Why? by Ponty · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I would be over the moon if I could slide my Newton down a document and scan it. I got a c-pen, but it just isn't worth using. It might be a killer app for PDAs.

  18. Finally! by dfiguero · · Score: 5, Funny

    No more cracking the photocopier glass to get a butt shot ;)

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  19. Re:Why? by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "A monitor is an output device. A scanner (optical reader, whatever) is an input device. Why merge the two when they should be mutually exclusive? "

    Does your keyboard have a caps-lock light?

  20. Good ideas w/ good intentions = Patriot Act LCD by adzoox · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Good ideas w/ good intentions = Patriot Act LCD

    The Patriot Act had good intentions but has the effect of erasing a lot our rights.

    Think of how a technology like this could be pushed by the insurance and government law enforcement agencies in the future.

    Insurance companies could require that all new car windsheilds and rear view mirrors, all TVs, all laptops have this "camera LCD" installed. Then if we also have cars, houses, etc ... that have networks required for software as Oracle CEO Larry Ellison sees it, I suppose the "device" (wisndshield, TV, laptop) once reported stolen would email a picture of the theif to the police and the owner. What a boom to forensics! But what a total erasing of privacy.

    Then I suppose this could be hacked and teens could REALLY get REAL live webcams of "certain activities" from TVs in bedrooms. Hotels would monitor sleeping activities. Insurance companies monitor driving habits. (already tried with GPS in Alamo rental cars) Are you using that cell phone without a hands free?

    Are you smoking and not telling the insurance company?

    Truely 1984 wasn't satire!

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    1. Re:Good ideas w/ good intentions = Patriot Act LCD by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Huh. You'd think that this all would have happened with the rise of cheap microcameras. Does your insurance company require you put an X10 camera in your vehicle to take snapshots of potential theives? Does Big Larr' require you to have a webcam connected to your Oracle server? There are thousands of cameras connected to computers--barring Black Helicopter Conspiracy Theories, is there -any- evidence that kiddies are hacking into them en masse?

      All this new product would provide is the fusion of a camera and a monitor into a single device. There already exist many devices that integrate both a viewer-facing camera and a standard LCD into a single compact package. How does a 2-way LCD suddenly catapult us into the nightmare world of Orwell when we could be there with today's technology?

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  21. The true story. by ianjk · · Score: 2, Funny

    One of those people who was made fun of on the first day @ the job for holding the paper to the monitor and hitting 'send', actually thought: 'hey I should make that work, just to spite those tech assholes that made fun of me.'

  22. Jokes? by pete-classic · · Score: 2, Funny

    I guess Michael has never done tech support. They aren't just jokes.

    A buddy of mine took the following call (from memory):

    T: Thank you for calling Dell, this is [name deleted], may I have your service tag number, please?
    C: . . .?
    T: The service tag is a six character, alphanumeric code printed on a white, bar-coded sticker on the back of your computer.
    C: . . .?
    T: It is on the back of the box that everything plugs into. Not the monitor.
    C: [Service tag deleted.]
    T: How can I help you?
    C: What is my fax number? [Ah, now we're getting sort of on-topic.]
    T: . . .?
    C: Someone needs to send me a fax, but I don't know my fax number.
    T: It's your phone number.
    C: No, my computer has a fax modem. I need to receive a fax on it, not a phone call.
    T: . . . !
    [20 minutes of trying to explain the concept of "fax" and get a phone line plugged into both an active jack and the right jack on the modem.]
    T: Thank you for calling Dell.
    T: [to me] You wouldn't believe the call I just had.
    [T relates call.]
    Me: I would have just told her "That service tag number you found . . . that's your fax number. Thank you for calling Dell. *click*"

    After that I always wanted to get that call, so I could say, with all the technical authority I could muster, "six."

    1. Re:Jokes? by pete-classic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually, the first person I had sex with wanted to marry me. I guess I was a natural.

      Simple ignorance isn't funny. People who are ignorant and totally unwilling to expend any effort in dragging themselves out of their ignorance are hilarious.

      Do you think that Ford gets calls like "Where is the 'go' button?" or "How much gas do I have in my car?" I kind of doubt it, but if they do I hope whoever fields those calls post them on the web!

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  23. Sounds more like a Kiosk thing by ianscot · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Maybe the costs for this wouldn't be more than a separate monitor and scanner? Those two items are basically commodity priced right now, for most people's uses anyway. The combo screen would need to be pretty cheap to compete.

    We have maybe, maybe 15 copies for several hundred people right now, and a few flatbed scanners around the office here. There's no shortage. I can see some new applications, and all -- potentially conferencing, and people would scan to OCR stuff more (if affordable OCR would work for the things they want to use it on) -- but would these really cost out, if those are the selling points?

    Easier to see this at public kiosk sort of things -- "hold up your coupon, please" and other cooler variations on touch-screen I/O applications. There the cost difference doesn't seem like a lot next to the convenience of the combined screen/reader. Seems like that'd be the first place to run into it...

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  24. Not a camera - a scanner by wowbagger · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is not a device that can form an image from an object at a non-trivial distance from the display - this is a device that only images an object placed against it.

    I would expect the primary intent of a device like this would be in a web-pad type device. Picture a clipboard, but thicker. Your customer hands you a printed item (work order, recept, whatever). You place the item face down against the display and push a button on the side. You remove the item from the display, and verify the scan took, then hand the item back to the customer.

    This would no more allow your monitor to image what is going on in the room than putting your flat bed scanner up on edge and leaving the top open would.