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LCD Display/Image Capture Device
Jon writes "Remember jokes about clueless newbies trying to fax documents by holding them up to the monitor? Perhaps they were just ahead of their time. Toshiba has developed a combined LCD/optical sensor, according to EETimes. It isn't monitor sized yet, but in a few years, perhaps?"
Of course not, dim-witted liberals are fucktards and can never realize that they are THAT FUCKING STUPID.
Aaarrgh! My screen is watching me!
A monitor is an output device. A scanner (optical reader, whatever) is an input device. Why merge the two when they should be mutually exclusive? This isn't a troll, I'm truly curious as to how this will be better than just a traditional monitor/scanner setup.
Because I like to complain...
"LCD Display" is horribly redundant. As this post will be modded.
But the tech itself is cool!
"Uh, I think so Brain, but monitors as webcams? That's a silly idea."
Besides how will I be able to make fun of friends when they tell me they met this really hot supermodel online...
I mean, honesty on the Internet? Yeah, right.
That opens up an interesting question, can some one exploite this to see what you are doing at your desk?
ie picking your nose =]
you can send ur picture over the web via your lcdcam? ;-)
Ok, I'll just come out and say it: ball sack mashed against the screen = a shockingly revolting image to be sent around the world.
/. promotes un-/anti-american technologies, again.
To be able to position a webcam from computer A in front of a monitor from computer B, and reverse it. So each camera is looking at each other's monitor.
Then I want to display crap on the screen which then gets interpreted as data (Imagine a 4x4 checkerboard, black=0, white=1, so each screen displays 16 bits at a time)
Now use this to bridge two networks.
Questions: How many cells can be fit on a monitor?
How fast can you change/read the data?
Ideally if your webcam is 320x200, you could get 64kbits per flash. If you can use 4 colors instead of two, you're upto ISDN speeds...
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Certain companies already monitor their employees to what I believe is an obsessive extent, and the ability to take a "scan" of what's in front of the monitor every X minutes is something I can see being used and abused by the "w3 0wnz j00" philosophy that a lot of businesses have with respect to their employees. Worse yet, look at this technology after a few iterations and a few million dollars, and you've got screen = scanner = webcam.
In the dark, uncertain future of cubicle dwellers, there will be no need for paranoia...your computer is, in fact, watching you.
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A new variant of the "Hi!, you have been e-mooned" chain letter will be born...
(nothing stopped people from using the photocopier at work, this will just be another amuzement toy)
Ahh!, the memmories...
will work for Karma
Faxes around my office are usually printed computer documents that perhaps have a hand written signature. This fits beautifully into the sending slot. Why would anyone want to stand there holding the thing still while they press a button / click a mouse. No way.
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This sounds a lot more hygienic than everyone using the same copy machine. Let's hope they get the pixel response times fixed by the time these show up.
So this means I can finally do what I've always waited to do! I can put my ass on the screen and scan it! Just like a photocopier. Props to the inventors of this.
Science will save us. The question is, will it destroy us first?
Cue posting to that site that gives you the picture of the chimp, saying it has been taken through your monitor...... now!
;)
i think it can be found through bored.com
Then, I can install VNC, hold a mirror up to the screen, and /. my machine!!!! :)
You are not the customer.
combine this story with this prior slashdot story(http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/03/31/ 1453223&mode=thread&tid=196&tid=137) about turning the monitor into a speaker and you have one hell of a trim kick ass system.
Hilarity ensues.
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This has great applications for two way interactive pr0n, until the screen gets all sticky, and gross that is..
LCD captures images by the pixel By Yoshiko Hara EE Times April 4, 2003 (10:04 a.m. EST) Recent Articles Systems and Software News Mobile missiles back on drawing board, U.S. general says Nokia to detail e-mail security scheme at conference New group aims to secure PCs, PDAs, cell phones Failed takeover could mean end for Germany's Grundig India builds Tflops computing cluster Windows opens view to 64-way Itanium systems DuPont forges 'Olight' brand for emerging OLEDs Japan promotes robots as the next consumer wave Archives TOKYO -- Toshiba Matsushita Display Technology Co., Ltd. has added an image capturing function to its low-temperature polysilicon liquid crystal displays. A 3.5-inch diagonal LTPS LCD dubbed Input Display has an optical sensor for each pixel. The transmissive type color display with a QVGA (320x240 pixels) resolution, when placed on an object, scans an area of actual display size and captures it as a 960x240-pixel monochrome image. The high mobility of LTPS liquid crystals allows pixel transistors to be small in size and the display has a higher aperture ratio compared to amorphous silicon TFT. These factors allow room for a sensor to be fabricated for each pixel, said a spokesman for the company. Toshiba Matsushita Display expects the display with the image capturing function to open new consumer and business applications. The company expects the technology to be used in security applications such as fingerprint authentification. The display will be exhibited at EDEX 2003, a display exhibition to be held in Tokyo next week (April 9-11).
+1 point for cyber sex hobbyists (If thats what you call em)
-2 points for privacy (How long will it be before we have spyware in our monitors)
Now spammers can see if you're really fat or not. I can also show them my schlong, so they won't 1) tell me how to make it longer and 2) tell me how I can increase my breast size.
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Ah, now soon everyone can have a telescreen in their own room that not only displays images, but also sends images back to Big Brother.. errr Toshiba.
TOKYO -- Toshiba Matsushita Display Technology Co., Ltd. has added an image capturing function to its low-temperature polysilicon liquid crystal displays.
A 3.5-inch diagonal LTPS LCD dubbed Input Display has an optical sensor for each pixel. The transmissive type color display with a QVGA (320x240 pixels) resolution, when placed on an object, scans an area of actual display size and captures it as a 960x240-pixel monochrome image.
The high mobility of LTPS liquid crystals allows pixel transistors to be small in size and the display has a higher aperture ratio compared to amorphous silicon TFT. These factors allow room for a sensor to be fabricated for each pixel, said a spokesman for the company.
Toshiba Matsushita Display expects the display with the image capturing function to open new consumer and business applications. The company expects the technology to be used in security applications such as fingerprint authentification.
The display will be exhibited at EDEX 2003, a display exhibition to be held in Tokyo next week (April 9-11).
Sounds like the screens in "1984" doesn't it?
A nice side effect of this would be built-in touchscreens on everything. More like pointscreens, you won't even have to contact the surface.
And kids can open up Paintbrush and make Hand Turkeys!
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Although it might be good for certain screen grabs when your computer isn't doing so well... Proof that it wasn't your fault the system crashed, hehe..
Eventually, this might lead to a better, standalone implementation of that "invisibile raincoat" thing that's been hyped over the last couple of months.
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Remember jokes about clueless newbies trying to fax documents by holding them up to the monitor?
I've just tried this... and IT WORKS !!
Adapting technology to accommodate the idiots rather than educating the idiots.
"Toshiba Matsushita Display expects the display with the image capturing function to open new consumer and business applications. The company expects the technology to be used in security applications such as fingerprint authentification." lol..."authentification"...
Easier video conferencing or a tool for the governement (i.e. Big Brother). Or maybe they'll create special TV's just for the neilson families or worse they'll end up like the TV's in Max Headroom - always on sending realtime feedback to the networks about viewers.
Then again with no lense the viewing distance is going to be quite short.
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...technology for its own sake is a useless technology. Is it any wonder why the high-tech industry has been decimated lately?
In reality, this is just a way for computer monitors to get back at us for staring at them constantly for 16 hours a day...
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A scam in which all people involved perceive as beneficial...
At the workplace it seems a bit paranoid to implement. But at an security concious purpose? Maybe an ATM machine?
Most metropolitan ATMs have a camera installed where it scans the face for facial recognition. You'll notice it as the small, black screen on your right on most ATM models.
In the office, it would only serve to reduce the amount of peripherials surrounding the workspace.
On a consumer standpoint, I can't see this as useful at all (i'm sure the cost doesn't justify the means according to my wallet).
It will now be possible to look directly at the person you are talking to, not up at a camera mounted above the screen. The one problem is that it will be harder to 'cover' the lens for peace of mind if you want privacy. Something that is easy with a regular camera lens by simply putting finger or lens cap over it.
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No more cracking the photocopier glass to get a butt shot ;)
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Remember jokes about clueless newbies trying to fax documents by holding them up to the monitor?
Next thing you know, blondes really will be using White-out on their monitors.
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Anybody notice that all of a sudden, everyone's sig lines have vanished off all posts in Slashdot's databases??? They're all gone!!!!
/. user and saw my cutesy sig line there when I views my own post. Now there all gone, ALL GONE!!!!! It's a conspiracy, I tell ya.
Is this some disk space saving thing that they just had to do, or is something just borked? Sig lines were there and working fine just earlier this morning, I know because I posted a message as my regular
The Patriot Act had good intentions but has the effect of erasing a lot our rights.
Think of how a technology like this could be pushed by the insurance and government law enforcement agencies in the future.
Insurance companies could require that all new car windsheilds and rear view mirrors, all TVs, all laptops have this "camera LCD" installed. Then if we also have cars, houses, etc ... that have networks required for software as Oracle CEO Larry Ellison sees it, I suppose the "device" (wisndshield, TV, laptop) once reported stolen would email a picture of the theif to the police and the owner. What a boom to forensics! But what a total erasing of privacy.
Then I suppose this could be hacked and teens could REALLY get REAL live webcams of "certain activities" from TVs in bedrooms. Hotels would monitor sleeping activities. Insurance companies monitor driving habits. (already tried with GPS in Alamo rental cars) Are you using that cell phone without a hands free?
Are you smoking and not telling the insurance company?
Truely 1984 wasn't satire!
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In response to your bullshit: civilians die in war. But this kid's suffering is tiny in comparison to the suffering that Hussein perpetrated on his own people for decades.
One of those people who was made fun of on the first day @ the job for holding the paper to the monitor and hitting 'send', actually thought: 'hey I should make that work, just to spite those tech assholes that made fun of me.'
I'm still trying to get my two computers to "talk to each other". I have both monitors pointed at each other, what can I be doing wrong?
I guess Michael has never done tech support. They aren't just jokes.
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A buddy of mine took the following call (from memory):
T: Thank you for calling Dell, this is [name deleted], may I have your service tag number, please?
C: . .
T: The service tag is a six character, alphanumeric code printed on a white, bar-coded sticker on the back of your computer.
C: . .
T: It is on the back of the box that everything plugs into. Not the monitor.
C: [Service tag deleted.]
T: How can I help you?
C: What is my fax number? [Ah, now we're getting sort of on-topic.]
T: . .
C: Someone needs to send me a fax, but I don't know my fax number.
T: It's your phone number.
C: No, my computer has a fax modem. I need to receive a fax on it, not a phone call.
T: . . . !
[20 minutes of trying to explain the concept of "fax" and get a phone line plugged into both an active jack and the right jack on the modem.]
T: Thank you for calling Dell.
T: [to me] You wouldn't believe the call I just had.
[T relates call.]
Me: I would have just told her "That service tag number you found . . . that's your fax number. Thank you for calling Dell. *click*"
After that I always wanted to get that call, so I could say, with all the technical authority I could muster, "six."
We have maybe, maybe 15 copies for several hundred people right now, and a few flatbed scanners around the office here. There's no shortage. I can see some new applications, and all -- potentially conferencing, and people would scan to OCR stuff more (if affordable OCR would work for the things they want to use it on) -- but would these really cost out, if those are the selling points?
Easier to see this at public kiosk sort of things -- "hold up your coupon, please" and other cooler variations on touch-screen I/O applications. There the cost difference doesn't seem like a lot next to the convenience of the combined screen/reader. Seems like that'd be the first place to run into it...
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Too bad we can't charge and prosecute all the peaceniks for "contributory rape".
You could've hired me.
I can just see it now people using screen to copy their arses rather than photocopiers. :)
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You mean all those faxes I *thought* I sent never really made it?!?! Holy %@*&!
"Remember jokes about clueless newbies trying to fax documents by holding them up to the monitor?"
ROTFL, No!
Wait, were they using TeleMessage from Outlook, or MightyFax?
So are the newbies who put whiteout on their screen also ahead of their time? When will we see monitors that translate the whiteout on the screen to an actual selection-delete?
Your monitor watches you!
first is starts out reading the paper, then it can do facial recognition WITHOUT the user knowing! Though there would be good uses for this (ie ATMs/Pharmacys/etc) there are downsides too. Just another small step for Big Brother.
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"Remember jokes about clueless newbies trying to fax documents by holding them up to the monitor?"
you mean that doesn't really work?
[scratches head...]
Remember jokes about clueless newbies trying to fax documents by holding them up to the monitor? Perhaps they were just ahead of their time.
So the joke about the lady who turns on her van's cruise control then goes back to check on her baby and ends up in a ditch is ahead of her time? We already have the rudimentary technology to do this (GPS, Optical recognization, smart highways) but I would still say that she's clueless.
We must understand what technology can and can't do for us, then try to overcome what it can't. Anyone who doesn't bother to understand is clueless by definition.
This is not a device that can form an image from an object at a non-trivial distance from the display - this is a device that only images an object placed against it.
I would expect the primary intent of a device like this would be in a web-pad type device. Picture a clipboard, but thicker. Your customer hands you a printed item (work order, recept, whatever). You place the item face down against the display and push a button on the side. You remove the item from the display, and verify the scan took, then hand the item back to the customer.
This would no more allow your monitor to image what is going on in the room than putting your flat bed scanner up on edge and leaving the top open would.
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Hmm... interesting..
I wonder how it would look if you used this to render metals and other reflective materials...
Pretty soon you will have people putting their butts against the monitors to photocopy them...
The horror!
Like this only less useful?
Microsoft's Tablet PCs? It's not quite whiteout, but you can cross out a word and it automatically gets erased.
Well, I think so, Brain - but where are we going to find bovine-sized pantyhose this late at night?
Who's to say this technology is useless?
First of all, I'm not saying there isn't a lot of useless technology. There is. I've seen it. I've even developed some useless technology myself.
At this point it's probably too expensive to justify putting into every PDA and LAPTOP as an integrated scanner for people who don't want to carry scanners around.
Who's to say it won't be cheap enough to produce in 5-10 years? It may make Toshiba a lot of money as an integrated LCD scanner technology as it could add a lot of value to thier existing PDA/Laptop product line possibly giving them a much bigger chunk of the market.
Am I optimistically speculating? Yes. Atleast I'm not jumping the gun calling it useless.
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Wow, if we installed one of these in everyones house, we could teleconference with our gym and do exercises in the morning and... wait... something about this is very familiar....
It would be relatively easy to integrate an existing image sensor into the bottom of a laptop with a slim feeder.
Of course, OLED and other display technologies will likely make LCD screens obsolete due to their durability and ease of replacablitity in 5-10 years. The difference with that technology is that the research was directed towards a goal with clear benefits versus existing technology. I should know, since it's the thing I'm most paranoid with in a laptop. Not to mention that LCDs are major consumers of power on a laptop. They are the bottleneck to the future.
Because I am going to constantly be pressing my ass and genitals up against the screen.
I mean... I do that now, but if it is going to scan it too - I might as well clean it. The monitor that is... I'll never clean my ass, nor the twig and berries.
That's right, I said never.
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This is just hightech silly putty?
Fnord.
The basic technology is a light sensor array. It can retrieve a contact image (fingerprint reader, flat-bed scanner, etc.), but it won't make coherent images of distant objects (farther than about the pixel dimensions) unles there is a focused image at its surface. That requires a lens, pinhole, or other mechanism to establishes a correlation between pixels and (x,y) positions at the distant field of view. Take off your glasses and you'll be safe ;^)
... the whole multimedia packaage is now in your screen. kewl.
a CD-ROM that doubles as a coffee cup holder!
It's funny and true!
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This seemed an appropriate choice to add.
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If you have a regular CRT, your monitor can already do this fairly easily! iMac monitors seem to work the best.
This tech is low / no priority. Such research money would be better spent on making TOUCHSCREEN LCD panels cheap and ubiquitous. Then we'll have 'star trek'-like technology and ease-of-use. This is wasted tech - the product would be a combo machine that cost more than getting a dedicated monitor/scanner, with NO additional benefit.
I want to see touch screen LCD panels at Best Buy. Then I'll start giving my cash away. Not for this tech, though.
Big Brother will love this monitor!!!
What better way to keep track of people than to have monitors that watch back. Just what all you socialistic linux users would love i bet so you can see all your fat greasy selves watching everyone else while you sit around thinking up how the world will be so much better with out MS and corporations, how evil the US is around while your code sits and rot while dictators run the world and drug dealers down the street run everything. Only way to deal with them is to wipe them out.
Now all you need to do is combine that technology with this LCD Screens Double as Speakers, make it a flexible e-ink or oled display, and add a Bluetooth connection to a WiFi/ GPRS PDA-Cellphone in your pocket.
You can walk down the street with a rolled up piece of plastic that captures video, plays audio, and is connected to the net. Cram in a microphone and voice recognition software and you've got a product that kicks a tricorders ass.
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During John Sculley's reign, Apple put together a video, "Knowledge Navigator", showing where personal computing might be going in the 21st century. Intelligent agents, full natural language understanding, full video instant messaging, etc.
One scene showed a guy with a portable machine who was using it to talk to a friend. He held his newspaper up to the flat screen so it could be scanned and sent to the person on the other end of the connection.
So one piece of the puzzle may be on its way.
No sig? Sigh...
Back in the day you could get Handheld scanner things that you just drag across a documnent. They probably still exist. You could just put a linear optical image sensor along the edge of a PDA, an optical mouse-type sensor at each end to see how fast it's moving, and drag it across a document. Probably hell on your batter life, but assumably you're not doing this all day. Or you could build it into an ipaq sleeve with extra battery.
Still, neat idea.
I remember something like this quite a while back. Xerox was developing it but having problems with bleading of the light from the display cells. I suggested that maybe they could use blinkers similar to the ones put on race horses to stop them freaking out about things in their peripheral vision. Also suggested that this would be a great thing for Net kiosks.
Don't have a clue where they got to with the device though.
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I refer to them as speed bumps.
When I was a kid (class of '84), one prank was that you would call two numbers from two payphones(free calls to the operator or 411 when it was free or paid calls to two people--a couple that had broken up, etc.) and turn the receiver of one phone so that earpiece of one was connected to the moutpiece of the other.
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... such fun.
Then you would put your ear up to the joint and listen to the confusion and arguments; "Operator." "operator." "may I help you." "what did you want?" "ma'am why are you calling the operator?" "*I*'m the operator!" "this isn't funny."
Oh the joy and hysterics
Now kids can have the same fun by putting two monitors face to face.
"I didn't call you, you called me." "Don't be an idiot. " hee hee hee
What's my age again?
That you are a shemale?
I don't understand what the point of thousands of light sensors would be if there isn't a large lens to focus light on them. Will each pixel have its own lens, like the compound eyes of a fly?
The idea was that it was hard to produce a next generation interface, but relatively easy to fake it.
The film is on a video unfortunately in American format (so most of our UK/EU domestic VCRs don't play it) and is good.
The major item of the workstation or office desk is a screen about 2 metres across, 1.5 m high and continuou with the desk surface, IE with a tightening curve from horizontal to vertical.
At least part of it was to be scanner, so in a nice bit of theatrical business as well as accepting paper documents and adding their image to the workspace, half a sandwhich got scanned in, and then wiped with a swipe of the hand off into the virtual rubbish bin.
It is about time that appeared as a DVD, rather than a video.
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paper about their approach
So, still more Star Trek style technology comes to be. I always wondered why the hell Picard was talking to a screen.
A dievice like this will take a picture from a distance if you place a light tigh box with a pin hole over it. If they made the screen 4x5 you could use it as a camera back for a standard view camers
Here are some photos of the Apple Knowledge Navigator. This is a page from the larger document about the Knowledge Navigator mentioned in my other post.
And here is a video - very s l o w - someone mirror it....
http://www.billzarchy.com/clips/clips_apple_nav.ht m
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