HP Calcs Live On Under PalmOS

But by deadsaijinx* · 2003-04-12 06:52 · Score: 1, Interesting

can it do reverse polish notation? Seriously, that would be so sweet.

Anywayz, I hate the Company Hewletcompagergishmess. Their computers are flaming shit piles. But there calcs rival Ti (some argue that they are far bettr) and it is totally cool that they are supporting emulation (unlike the console game industry - as if they are still making money off of the SNES!). But the coolest part is that it's OSS, so I could just program it to do reverse polish notation if i really wanted to.

FP (okay, first relavent post)?

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Re:But by deadsaijinx* · 2003-04-12 06:56 · Score: 1

Troll? I object to that. There is nothing trollish. A troll is someone who tries to get dumb replies by posting inaccurate info. Nothing here is inaccurate, and i was not trying to get dumb posts. I say that HP makes crappy comps because THEY do. I would know, I own some.

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Re:But by Anonymous Coward · 2003-04-12 06:58 · Score: 5, Insightful

TI calculators may have had better toy value than HP's, but they were never even close to HP's as calculators.

Sure, they were popular with highschool and college kids, but people who do real work with calculators are pretty much unanimously in favour of HP's. Of course, this is a small and shrinking group of people, which is why HP is out of the calc business.

One of my HP's is over 15 years old, has been dropped from a third story, has been in a lake, and still works perfectly. Try that with a TI (I have, and they didn't cut it).

HP also made the best programmers calc ever. Limited market for those, these days too.
Re:But by dakryx · 2003-04-12 07:13 · Score: 1

Hey now the gameboy advance plays many rereleased games from snes as its own now. I think the snes is the only console who would even have an argument against emulations
Re:But by afidel · 2003-04-12 07:18 · Score: 2, Insightful

They also make one of the best corp pc lines around (the Vectra line is one of the most supportable pc's ever, remote management include BIOS updates etc, motherboards that can be removed and replaced in less than a minute on some models etc). Their workstations aren't all that bad either (if a bit expensive).

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Re:But by neurostar · 2003-04-12 07:27 · Score: 2, Interesting

I completely agree. I love my HP48G. I wouldn't trade if for any other calculator. (Well, maybe for a 48GX ;) ). I love RPN. In fact, I've become so accustomed to it, I have difficulty using a TI-pile-of-shit when I'm forced to.

I also love the equation library. It's very useful, especially with the pictures.
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Re:But by Anonymous Coward · 2003-04-12 07:37 · Score: 1, Interesting

Interesting you mentioned TI calculator being dropped in a lake. As it so happens during my high school days I was at a summer camp and dropped my TI calculator in a nearby lake. The calculator die to say the least. Well my parent spent quite a bit of money on this calculator and it was the second calculator that I have destroyed/lost. I went to a K-Mart store and stole a brand new spanking TI calculator. Dumbass me wasn't aware at time that the damn thing had one of those things that sound the alarms. Next thing I know the alarm sounded. To make a long story short I had to make an appearance in front of a juvi judge and was sentenced to 40 hours of community service.
The moral of the story is that TI calculators die easily and don't get caught while stealing.
Re:But by Uber+Banker · 2003-04-12 08:40 · Score: 2, Interesting

I love my TI85. It's still going strong, sitting next to my monitor right now. Totally sentimental value.

I learnt to program on this thing for hell's sake! It still has the same programs i typed into it when i was 16... fractal generators, data calculation routines, inbuilt poly solver!, i even made a 2 player game with a friend via the commumication cable!!!

I never tried a HP, so can't compare, but damn I live my TI, it released my geekness, never harnessed, so will be forever grateful to TI.

Not sure I'd like an emulator though, the physical thing, the difficulty in typing, the display pitch... It was all in the package, give me 100 emulators and I'll still prefer my TI85.
Re:But by pongo000 · 2003-04-12 14:41 · Score: 2, Informative

Sure, they were popular with highschool and college kids, but people who do real work with calculators are pretty much unanimously in favour of HP's.

Not "were", but "is" (at least in Texas, unfortunately). TI has a sweetheart deal with the state: Their TI-83+ is the prerequisite calc for all schools administering the state-standardized exams (and that's basically every public school in Texas). Hundreds of thousands of dollars, per school district, flow into TI's coffers as a result.

Having been raised on HPs, I find the TI's EOS (algebraic entry system) extremely tedious to use. No intermediate answers (well, you can access the previous answer), just keep typing in numbers and parens until you're through, hit the enter key, and keep your fingers crossed you didn't make a mistake.

I shudder to think what colleges are requiring their engineering students to use (when I was in engineering school, the 41CX was a necessity to survive).
Re:But by Anonymous Coward · 2003-04-12 15:39 · Score: 1, Insightful

Uh duh! Math degrees aren't for people who do math, they are for people who talk about math. Engineers DO math, and they do lots of it, which is why they love HP calcs.
Re:But by 0x0d0a · 2003-04-12 18:11 · Score: 2, Informative

Sure, they were popular with highschool and college kids, but people who do real work with calculators are pretty much unanimously in favour of HP's. Of course, this is a small and shrinking group of people, which is why HP is out of the calc business.

No, TI is more popular with incoming people than with dinosaurs precisely because HPs used to be more popular globally, fell out of popularity, and now all the younger people are using TIs. HP lost the market themselves, not because of a bunch of people who don't "do real work with calculators".

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Re:But by BrokenHalo · 2003-04-13 02:20 · Score: 1

I have both an HP48G+ and a TI-89. I love RPN, which of course is native to the HP beast and available to the TI as a userspace program.
The pro for the HP48 series is the nice positive "clickiness" of the keys - and, of course, the nice big fat Enter key right where your index finger can find it (if you're right-handed, that is; never thought of that before :-))
However, it is slow. The TI-89 is much faster for just about everything. No, correction: everything, no "just about". and I put up with the spongy key action for that. Oh, and it's pretty handy at implicit differentiation and integration by parts, which the HP can't cope with at all.
Re:But by BrokenHalo · 2003-04-13 02:37 · Score: 1

Both TI and HP calculators are good, in their own ways. (I have both HP48G+ and TI-89.) From where I sit, though (as a biotechnology student) most students around me use Casio machines - OK, so they're not serious about maths :-). Next in popularity is TI (mostly 83+ I think) and lastly, a few stragglers with HP38 or 39s. I see very few 48s and I've only seen two HP49s in use at my university.
The case for HP hasn't been helped by the fact that they have dropped development for their calculators.
Re:But by Anonymous Coward · 2003-04-13 16:38 · Score: 1, Interesting

TI calculators may have had better toy value than HP's, but they were never even close to HP's as calculators.

Sure, they were popular with highschool and college kids, but people who do real work with calculators are pretty much unanimously in favour of HP's. Of course, this is a small and shrinking group of people, which is why HP is out of the calc business.

My brother was an engineering lead at TI designing custom silicon for big corporate clients. He, and all his colleagues, used HP calculators back in the day...

Nice..... by Neophytus · 2003-04-12 06:56 · Score: 2, Interesting

Now if only console manufacturers would get behind emulation development for vintage consoles. Sure, you can still buy games for the SNES on eBay or your local odds and ends store but none of that money will be going back to Nintendo or the developers.
Actually on thinking about it much of the nintendo GBA catalogue...

First time I ever ... by DogIsMyCoprocessor · 2003-04-12 06:56 · Score: 2, Funny

played Minesweeper was on a 48SX. Now I'm an MCSE.

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Re:First time I ever ... by tinrobot · 2003-04-12 07:04 · Score: 3, Funny

MSCE?? Does that mean...

Minesweeper Support Calculator Engineer?
Re:First time I ever ... by Anonymous Coward · 2003-04-12 07:12 · Score: 1, Funny

I'm sorry to hear that.
Re:First time I ever ... by DogIsMyCoprocessor · 2003-04-12 07:17 · Score: 4, Funny

I thought it meant
Minesweeper Champion and Solitaire Expert.
Oh well, back to vo-tech school for me.

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A color Palm isnt cheap by nurb432 · 2003-04-12 06:57 · Score: 3, Interesting

For the price of ONE of those you can have a pocket full of REAL HP's...

But for those that have one already, its damned cool.

Though you cant really replace a *real* keyboard for lots of number crunching..

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Re:A color Palm isnt cheap by zenyu · 2003-04-12 07:10 · Score: 1

Though you cant really replace a *real* keyboard for lots of number crunching..

True, but if you were getting a good deal of use out of them the keyboard would have been shot by now. I was already considering my GX before my SX was stolen cuz the keys were getting mushy. These days I'm so used to mushy keyboards....

Apparently not on my PalmOS device... by Fesh · 2003-04-12 06:58 · Score: 3, Informative

I've only got an m515, looks like this sucker will only work on a Tungsten or Clie.

Drat.

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Re:Apparently not on my PalmOS device... by emag · 2003-04-12 07:27 · Score: 1

This is extremely disappointing. I guess I'll still have to use "RPN" as my calculator on my IIIc (which lacks the 320x320x16 screen needed by the emulator). Luckily, I *think* I still know where my 48GX is.

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Re:Apparently not on my PalmOS device... by WegianWarrior · 2003-04-12 08:22 · Score: 1

Not on my m130 either - which was a disapointment. Looks like the emulator needs 320x320 pixels to work. Oh well, back to the accabus... unless I use the scentific calculator on my Psion5.

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Lives on? by praxis · 2003-04-12 06:58 · Score: 5, Interesting

I never realized that HP calculators died? Have they stopped selling them? Granted I've had my 48gx since 1995 and never looked at another calculator since then. What do people use these days? I've actually seen fewer calculators used as they get replaced with Matlab or Maple or Mathematica being more and more at hand for people, but I still find myself reaching for my 48gx even when I am near a computer just because they're so convenient.

Re:Lives on? by jorlando · 2003-04-12 07:23 · Score: 5, Informative

HP calculators still being sold, but nobody is sure for how long. There was thread discussed at hp.misc.calculators (that can be read at http://www.hpcalc.org). One thing is certain: the division responsible for R&D new HP calculators, the ACO has been closed during the merge with Compaq (http://www.hpcalc.org/goodbyeaco.php). In five years from now, HP will be recognized as a brand of so-so printers, shitty computers, not as an inovative and ingenious company as once has been. But that's the life... and Carly won't be near the mess... But that's my opinion...
Re:Lives on? by MrWa · 2003-04-12 09:49 · Score: 1

But that's the life... and Carly won't be near the mess... But that's my opinion...
Of course she won't - how would running a sad, non-innovating, non-inventing, trying to make a profit in a low margin, commodity item market, still can't compete with Dell-company like HP be any fun. It would be much more fun, for her, if she went to some other company and sucked the life blood out of it.
Not to rehash the whole deal, but the merger made little sense - from any perspective - and we are now beginning to see what we will lose. I haven't seen any HP calculators for sale in a while...just those TI versions. My 48sx (gawd was I envious of those jerks with rich parents flaunting their 48g's around like they were geek-gods or something...) is still running strong, so it's all good.
Re:Lives on? by Hallowed · 2003-04-12 10:02 · Score: 1

From what I have been hearing, the quality has steadily been declining since the manufacturing for the 48 series was sent to China....Their old products last forever (which doesn't help sales any, my 48gx will be 10 years old next fall), the 49G wasn't popular (I wonder how much of that was because it wasn't RPN by default and turned away former HP people) and TI has been giving a ton of competition....

I am glad to see that there are emulators for the PalmOS...I might think of getting one now, since my 48G is what I currently use for a pda....

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Re:Lives on? by Giltron · 2003-04-12 17:36 · Score: 1

besides hpcalc.org are their any other good sites with programs and programming info for the hp48g? I would really like to make my calculas go a little faster with the help of my hp.
Re:Lives on? by 0x0d0a · 2003-04-12 18:13 · Score: 1

Good ol' Carly decided that it would be a good idea to drop the entire calculator development division.

Well, regardless of whether the real money is in low-margin PCs or not, she got her merger bonus, so maybe it was the right choice...for her, if not the company.

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Re:Lives on? by jorlando · 2003-04-13 03:05 · Score: 2, Informative

I think that you can't get any better than hpcalc. Perhaps the news groups like comp.calculators.hp48 (or something like this).

But as a repository I doubt that anybody surpassed hpcalc.org.
Re:Lives on? by dmh20002 · 2003-04-13 15:35 · Score: 1

HP isn't really HP. Its just a mass market computer vendor. Agilent is HP and still does the cool stuff.

Old. by Anonymous Coward · 2003-04-12 07:00 · Score: 4, Informative

The 48GX and SX roms have been freely available (courtesy HP, of course) from www.hpcalc.org, and probably other enthusiast sites. It is interesting that HP is actually backing an emulator, though. Hey, where's that RPN troll when you need him???

Back and White? by negyvenot · 2003-04-12 07:01 · Score: 5, Informative

I am a bit disappointed that it does not work on monochrome devices like the good old Palm Vx, which I'm happily using for a long while now. The original HP48 display was monochrome and would perfectly look on my Palm. Now only if those keys weren't color :)

Re:Back and White? by deadsaijinx* · 2003-04-12 07:09 · Score: 1

Well, it is OSS, so it may be possible for someone to hack at it till it functioned on a monochrome. But judging by the images on the site, it might not work out to well on monochrome displays.

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Re:Back and White? by Phork · 2003-04-12 08:27 · Score: 1

i tried to install it on my palm Vx even though it supposedly wouldnt run, and guess what, it didn't. Not only does it need a color display, but it needs special sony libraries.

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Re:Back and White? by mackman · 2003-04-12 10:19 · Score: 1

It's not a matter of color or b/w, but resolution. It just so happens there aren't any 320x320 or better b/w or greyscale Palms out there. You try fitting 80 or so buttons in 160x160 pixels.

Cool, but done already by RzUpAnmsCwrds · 2003-04-12 07:01 · Score: 4, Informative

This is cool, but it's not new. There has been a HP 48/49G emulator for Windows CE for some time now. It even runs at an acceptable speed on the newer Pocket PCs. There has also been a Psion version.

ht tp://www.hpcalc.org/hp48/pc/emulators/</a>

Pocket PC absurdity by panurge · 2003-04-12 07:02 · Score: 4, Interesting

HPQ sells pocket PC devices. This emulator runs on PalmOs.
I'd love to be a fly on the wall in the relevant bit of the HP marketing dept. Is this the start of something new? Is HP going to start bringing out PalmOs devices or Linux PDAs?
So few questions, so many answers.

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Re:Pocket PC absurdity by jorlando · 2003-04-12 07:31 · Score: 1

The relevant bit of HP marketing can't even remember that HP once ruled the calculators market, if not for profit margins, just to add finesse to that market... even the financial calculators ruled... the HP12c is 20 yrs old and couldn't be outdone even by other HP calculators (more powerful, like the 19b)... the 48 series was the dream of the engineering students (as the 28 eas before, and the 42, and the 41c...)

I think that these market droids think that the legal dept should sue that company that uses the HP logo in these handy calculators 'cause they are "diluting the HP's IP and brand value"
Re:Pocket PC absurdity by Bingo+Foo · 2003-04-12 07:34 · Score: 1

Uh, HP has nothing to do with this software, other than the fact that they relesed their ROMs when they stopped making calculators.
Maybe it's the lameness of the pocketPC software authoring community that allowed this to come to PalmOS first. There have been offical-HP-ROM based emulators for X11 and mac for some time now.

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Re:Pocket PC absurdity by RevAaron · 2003-04-12 07:38 · Score: 1

You can get HP calc emulators for PocketPC and WinCE as well. I was using one on an iPAQ over a year ago. I do not know how new this POS version is, but all the same, it isn't something you can do on WinCE/PPC and Linux PDAs already.

Why the hell would this emulator- not written or supported by HP- have anything to do with HP producing POS-based PDAs? It's like making the deduction that OH! Windows runs on my Mac using VPC or Bochs - I bet Apple will be dumping OS X and switching to Win 95 soon! OOHHHOO!

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Re:Pocket PC absurdity by Ptolemarch · 2003-04-12 07:40 · Score: 1

Well, it seems very likely to me that HP has nothing to do with this. HP calculator emulators are a very popular thing to make. There are emulators for pretty much anything on which you want to emulate an HP calculator (and some you probably don't).

It's perfectly legal to make an HP calculator emulator, by emulating the processor inside, but you can't distribute the essential ROM images that make 'em work. At least, that's how it was, last time I checked. If you have your own HP calculator, though, you can dump the ROM for your own use, with no other restrictions (again, as far as I remember).

41CX by mandrews · 2003-04-12 07:03 · Score: 1

I wonder if they will add support for the old 41CX? God I love that calculator (mine still works). I used it all through college and to this day my fingers have that keyboard memorized.

Cool, but why color ... by HakuMage · 2003-04-12 07:06 · Score: 1

was a best calc the HP48* !
get plenty more softwares & games on palm ;)

way to go to get it on palm.
but i'm sad i can't it get work because have no display color. why such a restriction :(

Reverse Polish Notation and Stacking Languages by GregBildson · 2003-04-12 07:07 · Score: 5, Interesting

As far as I know, the unique feature of HP calculators is that they use reverse polish notation by default so I expect that is what this one uses.

RPN is similar to stacking languages where the variables are pushed onto the stack first and then the operators are applied to the appropriate stack entries. So, a + b x c should be entered as b c x a + and (a + b) x c should be entered as a b + c x

Similar to other stacking languages like Postscript and SmallTalk.

Note that this should be the same as the desktop "dc" command on linux except that dc is only good for integers (and you need to enter "=" to see the result). I routinely add a few extra significant digits when using dc so that I can deal with fractional values. Works nicely occasionally when doing command line scripting.

Re:Reverse Polish Notation and Stacking Languages by grahamkg · 2003-04-12 07:25 · Score: 1

Actually the 49 does not do rpn by default; algebraic is the default. I know, I have a 49G that I just checked. However, rpn can be set under the "MODE" function key.

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Re:Reverse Polish Notation and Stacking Languages by Bishop · 2003-04-12 07:32 · Score: 4, Informative

The other unique feature of many of the HP calculators was the bomb proff design. The keys are tough clicky keys designed to be used by professionals for years. HP made scientific and bussiness calculators. On the HP calcs (11B ??) has as strong a following in the account world as the HP48 in the engineering/scientific world.

"dc" command on linux except that dc is only good for integers

You probably want to check the man page on that:

dc - an arbitrary precision calculator

Look for the 'k' command. Also you should be useing p not =.

'dc' is GNU software and should compile on anything with libc.
Re:Reverse Polish Notation and Stacking Languages by Emil+Brink · 2003-04-12 08:11 · Score: 1

Um, since other people have already corrected you on dc, I guess it's up to me to point out that you don't need to change the order of the operands with RPN. If you want to compute a+b*c, you enter "a b c * +". For different precendence, as you point out, you just change where you put the operator, but not the order of things.

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Re:Reverse Polish Notation and Stacking Languages by martyn+s · 2003-04-12 09:37 · Score: 1

I'm running OS X and I get my Unix stuff with fink. Anyway, when I check the man page for dc, it describes this calculator that you're talking about, but when i actually run "dc" it seems to be a different program.

Can you explain to me how to use dc? Give me a simple line of text to test it.
Re:Reverse Polish Notation and Stacking Languages by goon · 2003-04-12 14:56 · Score: 1

The other unique feature of many of the HP calculators was the bomb proff design

strong but not that strong. especially the LCD screens on the HP11's. I used mine for surveying and it lasted 1/2 the semester before I smashed the display in the bottom of my pack.

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Re:Reverse Polish Notation and Stacking Languages by golo · 2003-04-12 17:18 · Score: 1

I use "Kalk" in my B&W palm. It's a decent RPN scientific calculator.
I still remember fondly my old 41C from my days in college.
Re:Reverse Polish Notation and Stacking Languages by Pettifogger · 2003-04-12 19:02 · Score: 1

I think the one you're looking for in the accounting/financial field is the 12C.
I'm a proud owner of a 1988 12C that I found in a thrift store for $2 about four years ago. I didn't even have to change the batteries until a few months ago. Incredibly well-made, efficient and I wouldn't trade it for any PDA. Also, the 12C is one of the few models they're still manufacturing.

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Re:Reverse Polish Notation and Stacking Languages by klui · 2003-04-14 00:03 · Score: 1

Yes sir. HP calculators are made very well. One of the things that made them special are that the faces of the keys will not have their labels rubbed off (just the main one, not the top/bottom ones) because they're not decals, but are actually plastic in another color, combined with their backgrounds.

My 11C has been with me for around 20 years and still going strong, on its 2nd set of batteries. One of those rare products that says "USA" in the back and is worthy of those letters. Sure don't make 'em like they used to.

Emulator may be free (Free), but the ROMs aren't. by alanh · 2003-04-12 07:10 · Score: 1, Informative

This program emulates the hardware of the HP48SX, HP48GX, and HP49G. In order to legally (morally?) use this software, you need to have the ROMs, or develop your own equivalents. The ROMs are copyrighted by HP.

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Re:Emulator may be free (Free), but the ROMs aren' by Anonymous Coward · 2003-04-12 07:14 · Score: 1, Informative

OK, I know it's a lot of trouble to read the article, but the summary says:

but HP is actually getting behind this one, allowing ROM images to be included to support emulation of 48sx, 48gx and 49g (all separately and at the same time)

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not only 'color device' by MarcoAtWork · 2003-04-12 07:16 · Score: 2, Informative

but also with the new high definition screens (320x320 or higher) so people who have a IIIc (like myself) are SOL.

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Ahhhhh memories by rerunn · 2003-04-12 07:18 · Score: 2, Funny

The 48g was a godsend for me in university. This was before the masses knew anything about being able to store and retrieve any decent amount of text from a calculator. All my biochem formulas got neatly stored in a little app called YONPY or something like that (I think it stood for Ye old notepad). People supervising the exams had no clue -- prolly just thought I was a big geek with a calculator at least twice the size of others. I dont think you can get away with this now though.

Re:Ahhhhh memories by BrokenHalo · 2003-04-13 03:14 · Score: 1

You're lucky: in most of my biochem exams, no calculators are allowed.

dc is only good for integers?! by emag · 2003-04-12 07:24 · Score: 1

Wow, if it's only good for integers, I wonder why they allow you to set the precision with "k", and why I routinely use it for decimals. As for displaying, I use "p". You should really take a look at the manpage sometime, or next you're gonna be saying it's only good for base10.

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Re:dc is only good for integers?! by GregBildson · 2003-04-12 08:05 · Score: 1

Thanks. You learn something new every day. That is what is nice about unix style commands. And, yes p is for printing the current top of stack not =.

You know I've read most man pages a fair number of times but there is always something to be missed. I should have known in this case since I always thought it was a glaring shortcoming but I've never seen the K used in practice.
Re:dc is only good for integers?! by GregBildson · 2003-04-12 10:53 · Score: 1

Funny, I've heard that before ...

Actually, I recall having "k" pointed out to me on another occasion when I introduced someone to dc.

I guess the trick to remembering something is to actually use it.

[root@www httpd]# dc
1
k
2.222
1.111
+
p
3.333

Great! Now I will remember.

Re:Emulator may be free (Free), but the ROMs aren' by Anonymous Coward · 2003-04-12 07:24 · Score: 1, Insightful

They're still owned by HP and thus not Free. HP could pull their support at any time.

RPN defined in User Friendly by scubacuda · 2003-04-12 07:25 · Score: 4, Funny

Reverse Polish Notation: press two numbers THEN the function you want... ...kinda like the way Yoda talks.

So much nerdy excitement! by 1nv4d3r · 2003-04-12 07:27 · Score: 1, Funny

Judging by the excitement, I think it's no coincidence that "under palm os" can be rearranged to spell "unload sperm."

zaurus port by net_bh · 2003-04-12 07:27 · Score: 2, Insightful

Is it possible to use this on the Sharp Zaurus? Is it worth trying?

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Re:zaurus port by Noksagt · 2003-04-12 09:57 · Score: 1

The palm emulator on the zaurus is pretty good, but dumping a clie rom onto it & using that to emulate a calculator is a round-about way of getting this to work. Now that there has been a Free port for Palm and PocketPC devices, maybe some developer will be interested to port it to the Zaurus.

HP On Palm :P by trotski · 2003-04-12 07:28 · Score: 1

It's not an HP calculator if it doesn't have a keypad; it just ain't the same thing. Plus, I can't exactly take a palm pilot into my exams now can I? It's the read thing for me.

I heard HP is supposed to be thinkinga bout releasing another calculator.... it's probably just stupid rumors however.

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Links to HP emus: by fbg111 · 2003-04-12 07:32 · Score: 5, Informative

PC HP calc emus:

http://www.hpcalc.org/hp48/pc/emulators/

Or check out all the other emu goodies at that site:

http://www.hpcalc.org/hp48/

Or just search http://www.handango.com for "HP 48" for more emus for all portable computing platforms.

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A color Palm is kinda cheap... by Xebikr · 2003-04-12 07:32 · Score: 1

If you buy an SJ22 Sony Clie from Staples and use one of the $30 off $150 coupons that are floating around. $170 + tax isn't too bad for sweet little PDA.

What does this have to do with PalmOS? by Dan+East · 2003-04-12 07:48 · Score: 1

HP emulators are available for almost every platform you can imagine.

Dan East

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Is this what they call progress??? by nimrod_me · 2003-04-12 08:03 · Score: 1

There were times when I really liked my HP28S. It was cool and made my life in the university much easier.

However, anyway you look at it, any PDA being sold today is *much* more capable (except perhaps for the lack of a decent keyboard).

I mean, if you want to do numeric calculations just run a scaled-down version fo MATLAB (or Octave for those who prefer Free software).

If you need symbolic calculations run Derive, MuPad, Yacas or whatever...

All of these programs are much more capable than the HP calculators. It is also much easier to program them. The HP programming language (Forth-like) is really annoying.

So aside from the historical value and perhaps running some existing applications this not progress - quite the contrary.

Re:Is this what they call progress??? by YodaToad · 2003-04-12 08:06 · Score: 1

But with those other programs you listed, do they have hundreds of applications written to do pretty much anything you can think of? I doubt it.
This is nice for people who have a palmos device but still need some of those programs but don't want to/can't carry around their large calculator.

So yeah, it is progress.

Does NOT work on most PalmOS devices... by Manuka · 2003-04-12 08:06 · Score: 3, Interesting

I tried installing it on my colour palm, and it requires a High-res Palm device. This is pretty much a Clié-only application. Pity it doesn't work on my i300, since most palm-based calculator apps out there are fscking worthless.

Re:Does NOT work on most PalmOS devices... by Rob+Simpson · 2003-04-12 08:38 · Score: 1

Yeah, I'm not sure why the specs are so limited - even if it needs high-res for the keys, it should at least run in monochrome. The best palm-based calculator I've found is EasyCalc, which runs on pretty much everything (it isn't RPN, though). I just wish there were portable keypads you could plug in like the portable keyboard - so the combined machine would still be around the size of a scientific calc and the numbers would be in a pattern that's actually usable. (All the keyboards I've seen for the palm just have the numbers along the top, which takes me longer to type than enter by tapping or graffiti.
Re:Does NOT work on most PalmOS devices... by Registered+Coward+v2 · 2003-04-12 09:42 · Score: 2, Interesting

Try landware's FinCalc - a decent calc that does RPN and some scientific calcs. I used it on my PalmPilot Pro in B-school. (along with my HP48g and 11c.). I got the 48g for $20 as a demo unit, so it repalced my 41cv, which repalced my 45. Still have them all, even the plastic box and leather case for my 45. Ah, the memories...

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Going, Going, Gone. by Detritus · 2003-04-12 08:13 · Score: 3, Informative

While recently looking at HP's online store, I noticed the HP-48GX was listed as a "closeout" item. It appears that once the existing inventory of HP calculators are sold, HP will be out of the calculator business. Carly sucks.

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Observations on it.... by shlong · 2003-04-12 08:22 · Score: 5, Informative

Well, it appears from most of the comments here that no one has actually test driven the program yet. Well, I just fired it up on my shiny new NX70V, and I got to say that I'm quite impressed. I already own a 48GX and 49G, so I had no moral delimmas with installing those rom images. I don't own a 48SX, so I can't comment on it. Anyways:

The speed is very impressive. I ran some of the TEACH examples on the 48GX mode and they fly. It's easily 2-3 times faster than the real hardware. Of course my hardware is StrongArm based, so I wonder how well the DragonBall hardware will work. Time to go dig out my wife's N760.
Button layout for the 48GX was nearly identical to the real hardware. Button layout for the 49G was a little strange, with the arrow keys being shoved off to the left side and the 6 function keys that used to be next to them compressed from 2 rows of three to 1 row of 6. Not a big deal, but tough to get used to.
As impressive as it is, I still prefer the feel of the real 48GX hardware. That machine was designed back when HP knew how engineers operated. Of course, I hate the 49G key layout and rubberized buttons, but that's a bikeshed of a different color. Anyways, even with the 320x480 screen, the buttons are a bit too small to comfortably work by finger-touch. Using the stylus is fine, but not like having the real buttons.
I haven't tried any 3rd-party programs. From reading the documentation I'd guess that things written in SysRPL and and UserRPL will probably work fine, but I wonder if ASM stuff will also work.

In all, I'm highly impressed with this, though it will take a few weeks to see if I treat it like a toy or a real calc.

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Re:Observations on it.... by FRiC · 2003-04-13 01:29 · Score: 1

This program has been around a long time that most people who use Sony Clie's most likely have already tried it. It was originally for Clie only cause this was written before the Palm Tungsten T was available.

It also doesn't work very well with 320x320. 320x480 recommended.
Re:Observations on it.... by Patrick · 2003-04-13 12:43 · Score: 1

I already own a 48GX and 49G, so I had no moral delimmas with installing those rom images.
HP supports the 49 and 48G/GX emulation efforts, and has released the ROMs freely for non-commercial use. AFAIK, you're welcome to use them even if you don't already own a real 48 or 49.

FlameCalc by SHEENmaster · 2003-04-12 08:28 · Score: 1

I'm working on a Java RPN calculator, here. I regularly use the console version on my Zaurus.

The upcoming version has loop structures and code objects to allow for more advanced scripting. Symbolic manipulation is planned for the future. I could use some help with this if anyone has Java or RPL math code they'd like to contribute.

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Re:Emulator may be free (Free), but the ROMs aren' by WegianWarrior · 2003-04-12 08:34 · Score: 2, Informative

Since reading the article isn't hard at all, you may notice that the article says;
The HP48/49 ROM images distributed with this emulator are the property of and copyrighted by Hewlett-Packard. Their inclusion in this package is for the convenience of the end-user only. If you (the end-user) are not legally permitted to use a particular ROM image you must not install that ROM image to the VFS storage mechanism.

What part of that did you fail to understand?

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RPN by SHEENmaster · 2003-04-12 08:36 · Score: 1

is much faster to evaluate, especially on the 49g's 4mhz processor when doing symbolic shit.

Those who don't have a compatible palmtop can use FlameCalc if their pda supports Java. The development(next) release has enough features to do nearly all of my AP Physics stuff on my Zaurus, but loops/constructs are too unstable for a public release at the moment.

What I'd really love is Linux PDA in a graphing calculator case. I honestly don't care that it would be larger, a usable numeric keyboard would make up for that. It better have CF/SD and all the other goodies of course.

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Releasing New Calc...I hope so by Anonymous Coward · 2003-04-12 08:37 · Score: 1, Informative

I sent an email to HP customer service, asking what they had for RPN calcs since I wanted a scientific RPN calc, but was too cheap to pay $150 or whatever.

In addition to pointing me to low-cost retailers, the reply hinted that there were going to be new models coming.

I hope that the calculator business doesn't die. I only like RPN calculators. I have a mangled 17BII on my desk and a 12C in the drawer. I want one to replace my 12C so that if the new one grows legs, I won't care as much.

That brings another reason I like RPN, no one can use it so no one is tempted to walk off with it.

"I'm not dead yet!" by micron · 2003-04-12 08:38 · Score: 1

HP just introduced two low end calculator models.

http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2003/030 12 3b.html

I have read in a few places that they have a high end one coming out closer to the end of the year.

New calculator division distributor expansion:
http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/pres s/2002/02103 1a.html

Re:Emulator may be free (Free), but the ROMs aren' by vivek7006 · 2003-04-12 08:44 · Score: 1

Is it open source?

Re:Emulator may be free (Free), but the ROMs aren' by snubber1 · 2003-04-12 08:49 · Score: 1

Damn, does your neck hurt from that giant tinfoil hat or what?

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HP11c 4EVA! by Tumbleweed · 2003-04-12 08:49 · Score: 1

I don't know _what_ I'll do when my venerable HP11c finally bites the dust. I'm not a huge fan of the 12c.

I don't even like to _think_ about losing my 11c. *cringe*

Time to read a different Slashdot thread...

Re:HP11c 4EVA! by SN74S181 · 2003-04-12 13:05 · Score: 2, Interesting

I've had an HP-11c since about 1983 that I still dote on. And a HP-15c (the 11c's big brother, identical except with more memory) that I got at a swapmeet for ten bucks. For years I ran it on these smaller around but the same thickness hearing aid batteries I got as free samples at work.

It unnerves me how much people are willing to pay for 11s and 15s on eBay.
Re:HP11c 4EVA! by Tteddo · 2003-04-12 13:54 · Score: 1

Holy Crap!! I had no idea my 11C from 1984 was worth anything. Of course you'll have to pry it from my cold dead hands. I even have a program from somebody to replace calc that does RPN!!
Re:HP11c 4EVA! by Tumbleweed · 2003-04-12 16:14 · Score: 1

TEN BUCKS! You dawg. Maybe I should start scrounging around swapmeets...

I didn't know about the 15c - once I got my 11c (in 1985), I never really bothered looking at the calculator market again. :)

re: price of 11c's on eBay

Yeah, it's pretty frightening. Once mine gives up the ghost, I'll willingly pay those prices to get another, though. Hard to imagine HP doesn't see the market for 11c's. You'd think they could be made much cheaper with modern technology, too. I wouldn't mind a new version with a replaceable plastic display panel cover - they always get scratched up.
Re:HP11c 4EVA! by SN74S181 · 2003-04-12 18:55 · Score: 1

I don't think the 15c was a later model. They were both available in the same lineup, the 15 was just more expensive. I certainly couldn't afford one back when I bought my 11c in 1983.
Re:HP11c 4EVA! by Dahan · 2003-04-12 20:47 · Score: 1

And a HP-15c (the 11c's big brother, identical except with more memory)
The 15C isn't just an 11C with more memory; it has a few extra functions not present in the 11C. The ones I remember off the top of my head are complex number support and matrix support.
Re:HP11c 4EVA! by SN74S181 · 2003-04-13 09:21 · Score: 1

You're probably right. I have never seen the manual for the 15C, having bought it at a swapmeet for $10 and all...
Re:HP11c 4EVA! by Chelloveck · 2003-04-14 00:36 · Score: 1

Mmmmm... Complex matrices...

Seriously, I don't know what I would have done in my circuits classes (circa 1985) without my 15C and its complex matrix support. After graduation and my entry into the fine world of firmware development, I managed to buy a used 16C for $50. What a deal! Best danged programmer's calculator ever made. Later, a co-worker gave me a brand-spankin' new 42S, free-for-nothin'. (He was the lead on my project, and I think he just wanted to keep me happy.) The 42S does everything the 15C and 16C do, but it's nowhere near as convenient. Everything's buried on sub-menus. These days I use my 15C at home and the other two at work. The 16C stays mainly in hex mode, while I use the 42S for general calculations.

<warstory>
An ME walked into my office one day and asked to use my calculator. I tossed him my HP. He entered a couple things, then looked blankly at it. "Where's the 'equals' key?" I stared at him for a minute. "You're not really an engineer, are you?"
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Easycalc.... by sergio · 2003-04-12 08:51 · Score: 2, Informative

I had many HP calculators. Lved them all. Loved RPN.
Power48 is an impressive emulator... BUT:

1.- Start time is too long. Screen is too crowded and plain complicated for a PDA LCD.

2.- If you need a very good calculator use EasyCalc and you'll be happier at any resolution. http://easycalc.sourceforge.net/. Fast startup and
decent interface. Clearly not as programable nor a large library of tools, still very usable.

Now, here is the irony: HP should have been a king of the PDA arena using their experience in the calculator group... but somehow they become WinCE clone makers. Very sad. What happened?

Re:Easycalc.... by SN74S181 · 2003-04-12 13:09 · Score: 2, Informative

HP's Corvalis group (the Calculator team) designed the first two HP Omnibook portable PCs (I have an Omnibook 300), which reflect the same tight design as the calculator line. Then the 'Omnibook' brand was stolen off to HP's shit-oriented PeeCee branch.

Some of the first computers I programmed on in High School were Hewlett Packard timesharing minicomputers. Built to the same quality standards as the H-P instrument line.

Some day someone technically oriented is going to disembowel and then slowly strangle Carly to death.

Which TIs have you even played with? by pr0ntab · 2003-04-12 08:57 · Score: 2, Interesting

I don't think you've been properly introduced to the better of the TI calcs... I've got 'em both:

A TI-83 which is overclocked... (!) Still works like a charm after having its guts ripped out repeatedly. Now, I didn't drop it in a lake, but it's been in the shower... so... hehe

And then, the workhorse, my beloved TI-89. Let me just say to all the HP holier-than-thou people out there: AOS ownz.
So it doesn't have RPN (but I remember seeing a few packages on ticalc.org)... but it does everything else. I mean jesus, it's a frickin' 68010.

I get real work done with it too... my main folder has about a hundred functions and programs sittin around; i forget what half of them do. ;P

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Re:Which TIs have you even played with? by Anonymous Coward · 2003-04-12 10:48 · Score: 1, Interesting

pretty much all of them. 83's and 89's included.

Bottom line is for real work, especially field work, they don't come close to the HP's for several reasons

HP's win on robustness by far, with possible exception of the 48* series.

They lose on overall speed, but it doesn't matter. If you are doing anything where that really hurts you, you shouldn't be running it on a calc anyway. For the sort of calculations calculators are actually good at, HP's are just fine.

There layout is much, much. better. And yes, RPN input is superior. The scripting language in the 48's is brilliant for calculations. Who cares if it is a pain to write games in it.

The numerical/math library on the 28's 48's is the best anyone has ever put in a calculator. It has some useless crap (3D vis on a calculator is pathetic, regardless of the calc).

So yes, I have used the TI's. And they don't measure up in real world applications.

If you want to play games in the back of your highschool math class, get a GBA ferchristsake. If you want a serious field tool for an engineer, geologist, whathaveyou, buy a calculator --- do yourself a favour and make it an HP (while you still can!
Re:Which TIs have you even played with? by BrokenHalo · 2003-04-13 02:28 · Score: 2, Informative

i forget what half of them do
So did I until I started playing with custom menus (which come pretty intuitatively to HP48 users). Being able to find progs according to context makes a big difference if you've got a lot of them. Saves a lot of time spent wading through var-link listings.

Cool! by user+no.+590291 · 2003-04-12 09:18 · Score: 1

Got the HP48 emulator. Now all I need to do is get PalmOS 5 emulated :).

Sci/Graph calc for Palm by RomulusNR · 2003-04-12 09:23 · Score: 2, Informative

If all you want is a good scientific/graphing calculator for your Palm, get EasyCalc.
(It appears to be in English now, too. :) )

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Re:Sci/Graph calc for Palm by kanenas · 2003-04-12 11:45 · Score: 1

If you want symbolic functionality (Computer Algebra System) for your palm get meditor
http://jscl-meditor.sourceforge.net/

I am the guy that did the port for the palm.

kanenas.

Oh, lighten up by swb · 2003-04-12 09:45 · Score: 3, Interesting

First of all, anyone running a science class who thinks that forcing a bunch of rote formula memorization is "learning" isn't doing very much teaching.

Second of all, everybody that actually makes a living with math and science cheats every day, by referring to reference books, studies, conferring with others, and so on.

We should be teaching people how to *learn* by using reference materials, not waste storage neurons on things that are already written down.

FWIW, when I was in college (circa 1985), the physics teacher allowed us to bring in a 3x5 card with anything we want written on it. We got the guy with the best penmanship in our study group to write ALL the formulas we could think of, complete with notes, examples and so on on a 8x11 sheet of paper which we then reduced on a photocopier to 3x5.

Again, you could call this cheating, or you could give us credit for innovation.

Re:Oh, lighten up by lars_stefan_axelsson · 2003-04-12 18:38 · Score: 1

First of all, anyone running a science class who thinks that forcing a bunch of rote formula memorization is "learning" isn't doing very much teaching. Second of all, everybody that actually makes a living with math and science cheats every day, by referring to reference books, studies, conferring with others, and so on. We should be teaching people how to *learn* by using reference materials, not waste storage neurons on things that are already written down.

Well, I used to be of that opinion too, then my first job was for a research laboratory, and it turned out that the school situation is a poor approximation for "real" work.

It turned out that the only mathematics I really had any use for was the one I had in my head. Why? Because hunkered down in the lab, discussing the setup or partial result of an experiment, you had to be able to think on your feet, to quickly come up with, and rule out, different hypotheses about what was going on, what effect we were seeing (as opposed to what effect we were trying to see).

Running off to my office and coming back 20 minutes later with the calculation in hand wouldn't have helped, the discussion would already have moved on.

That's not to say that there wasn't times when I sat alone on in my chambers with all the support you mention (computers, reference literature etc). But that was for the final write up of the results. By that time I already knew what the answer was going to be, since we had already done most of it in our collective heads as the experiment was running. That last write up was more a check to see that everything worked out than coming up with new angles. (And whenever a new angle came up that late in the game, it was either the subject of another experiment, or invalidated the one we had just performed).

I guestimate that I did no more than 10-20% of the calculations in my office, the rest was on the fly.

I would say that even stoping and taking the time to use a calculator during a meeting (impromptu or organised) is pushing your luck. If you cannot follow the discussion doing "back of the envelope" estimates in your head (depending on the field your in you might have to have a precision of from anywhere between 1-100%) you're out of the discussion.

Feynman has waxed on more eloquently than I on this very subject. Even though he's more hard core in this respect than I would like to be.

Now, in the rest of my career, as a CS/CE, I've solved exactly one first order integral since, so from that perspective you're right. References came in handy there, but that's not to say that I have a working knowledge of mathematics today.

This is somewhat ortoghonal to the question of whether we should teach children to learn using reference material and the like, I'm all with you there. Unfortunately, the way things stand, it should be drummed into most children, not to let school stand in the way of their education, but that's a different matter.

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Keyboard? by Linknoid · 2003-04-12 10:49 · Score: 1

I would assume that the Palm wouldn't have an HP48 keyboard on it, so how would you operate it efficiently? I learned to navigate my HP48 by touch, the way you touch type on the computer. I can't imagine trying to actually use this for practical reasons. When an emulator on the PC came out for the HP49, I tried it out, and trying to do stuff with a mouse was just horrid.

And what about batteries? I haven't used a calculator too much since I got out of college, but while I was using it regularly, I changed the 3 AAA batteries probably twice a year under heavy use, including games when I'd get bored in class. I don't imagine Palms are anywhere near as power efficient. The custom Saturn processor used for the HP calculators might not have been very fast, but it was certainly power efficient.

In short, it sounds like something fun to play with for a bit, but if you actually want to use a HP calculator for what its meant for (games and entertainment of course...err...I mean, programming and calculating and graphing), I can't imagine a Palm running this actually being useful.

Re:Keyboard? by Moofie · 2003-04-12 13:40 · Score: 1

For what it's worth, I have a 48G and a Handspring Visor. I change the batteries in my Handspring about every month or so. I use rechargeable NIMH cells. I change the batteries in my 48G, like, never.

The thing I like about this emulator is that I can get all the functions I love in a package that fits easily in my pocket, so I don't have to schlep the 48. The Handspring is on my person at all times...the 48 is not.

The thing I don't like is that I can't run the emu on my Visor.

Anybody want to hire a smart new engineering graduate in, like, May? : )

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Why not just use the real thing? by Nonillion · 2003-04-12 10:49 · Score: 1

I have been a HP calculator fan for many years. I've had HP33E through the HP48GX, the latter being my latest. I've always beleived if you want a "real" calculator you have to go with HP.

hpmuseum

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How about Xpander? by Foolhardy · 2003-04-12 10:53 · Score: 1

HP was working on making a new calculator based on a PDA, but there were concerns about the durability and usability of a stylus in an acedemic setting. They were going to call it the math xpander. You can get the software for palm here http://www.saltire.com/xpander.html.

Re:How about Xpander? by kst · 2003-04-12 14:04 · Score: 1

It looks like it's only available for Pocket PC.

There are Sony Clies by Fencepost · 2003-04-12 10:57 · Score: 1

I don't know if Palm has come out with any b&w units with 320x320, but my Clie T415 is one from Sony and it's not the newest.

Looking at their site, it looks like the SJ20 is their only current high-res monochrome option, but they've had a few in the past, including the SL10 that they currently have available as a $99 refurb.

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GNU dc by Bishop · 2003-04-12 11:12 · Score: 1

First run 'which dc' to make sure you are useing the GNU dc and not some other command.

The following is from running dc. Output is in bold, $ is the bash prompt.

$ dc
10 3 /
p
3
3 k
10 3 / p
3.333

$ dc -e '10 3 / p 3 k 10 3 / p'
3
3.333

$ echo '10 3 / p 3 k 10 3 / p' | dc
3
3.333

$ dc -V
dc (GNU bc 1.06) 1.3

Copyright 1994, 1997, 1998, 2000 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO
warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE,
to the extent permitted by law.

and now for some line noise:
$ dc -e '0psc5ss[lc1+psclcls>f]sflfx'
0
1
2
3
4
5

this is great by bwhalen · 2003-04-12 11:13 · Score: 1

In college studying engineering, the 48 was such a powerful tool, I'm glad it still living via emulation, even though I have a for real 48.

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Why not the real thing? by YeOldeGnurd · 2003-04-12 11:17 · Score: 1

My employer back in 1993 gave me an HP19C. It's still running, has had the same batteries for, jeesh, at least 5 years now, and has a wonderful solid feel to it. Can't folks find them used? I like Palms, but an emulator just doesn't compare to a Real HP Calculator.

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Re:Why not the real thing? by angle_slam · 2003-04-12 12:32 · Score: 1

I've had my HP32S since 1988. Only one battery change. I got sick of buying a new calculator every school year, so I got the HP, and it lasted me through my entire college career. I still have it at work. If I need to quickly add numbers, I use the HP instead of my Clie or the MS calculator program because the tactile feel is just great.
Re:Why not the real thing? by Doctor+Hu · 2003-04-12 22:07 · Score: 1

Can't folks find them used?
Not while they're still in use....
Insert variant of the 'pry it from my cold dead fingers' cliche.

Re:ClieOS by brett720 · 2003-04-12 11:43 · Score: 1

You need to do a little research....Its running perfectly on my PALM Tungsten..which is not a Sony!!

Who needs an emulator? by IWantMoreSpamPlease · 2003-04-12 11:58 · Score: 1

I'm still using my HP 28S, bought in 1988 for 300$. It still kicks ass, does anything math related I oculd ask it to, and is built like a tank. Unlike current PDAs...

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Re:Who needs an emulator? by puppet10 · 2003-04-12 13:13 · Score: 1

Unfortunately not quite a tank.

I had one for the longest time (got mine around 1988 too) but had the battery door problem.

This seems to be not too uncommon on this model - the springs inside were a bit too strong and the area around the battery door eventually broke. I used it taped up for a few years but got tired of that and eventually broke down and got a 48gx. I like the 28S better though (since I used it for so long, and to me it seems more responsive and I like the clamshell design even with the battery door problem), but I'll need to try to find a used one again (tried before on ebay but got tired of snipers outbidding me at the last second).

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Anyone put up a mirror? by bob · 2003-04-12 12:16 · Score: 1

I've got a Clie and an HP48 and would love to
try this, but the website's 509/Bandwidth Limit
Exceeded.

What about Linux PDAs? by Phurd+Phlegm · 2003-04-12 12:26 · Score: 1

It would be really nice if the HP48 emulator ran on the Linux PDAs, e.g., the Sharp Zaurus 5500. Anyone know if there's a plan to do that? I've used one that runs on MacOS X for two years now and it is really sweet (especially compared to that one-lung four function guy that you got under OS 9).

Re:What about Linux PDAs? by theLOUDroom · 2003-04-12 19:26 · Score: 1

See here:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=60592&cid=5720 048

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HPish calc for Linux/BSD/Unix by kwiqsilver · 2003-04-12 12:29 · Score: 1

I wrote a gtk-- based Reverse Polish Notation calculator for my Linux based computers. It only has basic and some intermediate functionality, but it does what I need.
I love RPN and my HP 48GX.
ghsiloP RPN calculator.

ghsiloP == g + reverse("Polish")
It's not a recursive name, but I like it.

Other Palm RPN programs by gekman · 2003-04-12 12:35 · Score: 1

I've been happily using a freeware Palm RPN calculator for several years now on my Palm IIIxe (160x160 greyscale, OS 3.51) It's called "Kalk" and is available from a number of sites providing Palm goodies. I think that I got the current version, 3.04, from versiontracker.com.

I've also seen free- and shareware emulators for the 12C, 16C and 41CX HPs available fot the Palm, but I haven't tried them.

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If you have a Pocket PC by Sad+Loser · 2003-04-12 12:50 · Score: 2, Informative

Check out the HP 41 emulator

There is a lot of software available here as well.

There are more HP calculator emulators for different platforms here.

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Nth Lab's RPN by jmitrevs · 2003-04-12 16:01 · Score: 1

I've been using Nth Lab's RPN for as long as I've owned a Palm (first on a hand-me-down IIIx and now on an m500). It's shareware, but it's worth it. It's capable and convenient to use. I checked out fancier-looking calculators when I upgraded to the m500, but they didn't seem as usable.

By the way, for simple calculations, I find using a calculator program on a Palm, where you can tap numbers and functions with the stylus, much more convenient than than using a gui calculator on a computer. Of course, using my actual HP48SX is even more convenient, but I don't usually have it around, and none of those replace Mathematica or Octave for complicated calculations.

You don't need to. by theLOUDroom · 2003-04-12 19:20 · Score: 1

There's an HP48 emulator under development specficially for the Zaurus.

Read this thread:
http://www.zaurus.com/dev/board/index.php?act=ST&f =1&t=364&hl=calculator&s=4c6299ed04882e2042fe717bd 714b527

It may have been discussed in other places on that board as well.

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Re:Emulator may be free (Free), but the ROMs aren' by gTsiros · 2003-04-12 20:11 · Score: 1

hp allowed distribution of ROMs, every revision, some time ago. go read before you post, please.

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What bothers me about the HP49... by BrokenHalo · 2003-04-13 03:08 · Score: 1

is the fact that the Enter key is in the wrong place. (And not big enough.) If the 49 had the same keyboard as the 48, I would probably never have bought a TI-89.

Re:revised URLs from "I'm not dead yet!" + comment by per+unit+analyzer · 2003-04-13 15:56 · Score: 1

Finally, I was very bumbed that Agilent didn't get to keep the HP name. The HP way is still alive over there. HP should have lost the right to have the name of two wonderful engineers in their name when they spun Agilent off. Talk about dumping the date that brought you to the dance!

Amen brother... The real HP is over at Agilent. Unfortunately, the H-P name became associated with computers and printers by consumers and IT folks... So the brand's marketing value became more important than what it stood for. After all Agilent sells stuff in niche markets that relatively few people buy (compared to computers at least...) And with their reputation in their markets, Agilent didn't need to keep the H-P name to keep some semblance of credibility...

IMHO, the calculator division should have gone to Agilent... After all, a much larger percetage of their products are sold the engineers, scientists, technicians, etc. than the "new" H-P. It seems that a large part of the target market for H-P calculators is Agilent's customer base.

--zawada

(BTW I still use the H-P 11C I bought in high school nearly 20 years ago)

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