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Opera 7.10 Released (First Opera 7.x For Linux)
joshieck writes "The much awaited (at least I know I've been waiting for it) Opera 7.10 has been released. This marks the first release of Opera 7.x for linux, and is a cause for rejoicing.
Even if it is a 'beta,' it's opera, so you know it's gonna be good. Go get it at Opera.com, or go right to the download page. From the Press Release: 'Opera Software today released Opera 7.10 for Windows and Opera 7.10 for Linux Beta with features that are not only new to Opera, but also completely new to the world of browsing. Right from the beginning, users can see the two new buttons FastForward and Rewind in the toolbar, accelerating Opera users' Web navigation. Users can also speed up researching with the completely new Notes features or view photo files with SlideShow.'"
This is an illusion by the Zionist American forces. Opera 7.10 was not released, we valiantly fought them and killed all of the invaders.
Former Iraqi Information Minister Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf
Hell, NCSA Mosaic had an 'annotate' function.
'Completely new' my ass.
on Suse 8.0!
Have more testing to do however.
If you're not a Liberal in your 20's, then you have no heart.If you're still a Liberal in your 30's you have no brain.
They've added a few features since the 7.0x releases (for Windows), which is really nice, but I find that the biggest difference is the quality. They've really taken the time to polish their product a lot. Sure, some bug remain. Overall, though, I find that it's just very enjoyable to use.
Great news - I sure hope Opera make some money out of their browser. years ago, it was well worth paying the license fee considering that IE4 and Netscape 4 were the competition. Now that Mozilla, Konqueror et al have gotten so good, I wonder if it's so compelling anymore.
Also, Opera still doesn't display my ISP's homepage properly. Hopefully it will be fixed in the next release :-).
Why is this assumed to be Opera's fault? Have you tried encouraging your ISP to use cleaner HTML? I had a quick look; it could be stand to be Tidied.
Straight from the posting:
"From the Press Release: 'Opera Software today released Opera 7.10 for Windows and Opera 7.10 for Linux Beta [emphasis mine]...'"
I can forgive you for not following the links in the posting (it's vogue around here), but try to at least read the posting ITSELF...
I just installed RH9 and Mozilla 1.3, finally the fonts are beautiful, it renders fast, and tabbed browsing is heaven. I am loving life. Can someone give me some good reasons why I should use Opera over Mozilla (or at least, why i should use Opera in certain situations)? I'm generally looking for insight into the whole browser landscape.
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur
The web didn't exist in 1990.
If you like the product, why don't you just PAY for the thing, instead of defeating their ad banners? Really.
Isn't it time for Slashdot to get an Opera icon? It has a Mozilla icon, a Netscape icon, and even an AOL icon.
/me sulks:)
Opera happens to be my favourite browser and I want to see it's giant O at my favourite tech news site.
Is this a sigs-optional kind of place? 'Cause I am totally down with that if you know what I mean.
Yeah, but does this version have the Swedish Chef? I refuse to use a browser that doesn't have a bork feature.
...and it's fairly pretty. I've been using Mozilla for quite a long time, mainly due to cross-platform compatibility, but this is definitely going to be worth looking into.
Though I can already see a couple of things that will cause problems. I'm running triple-head xinerama and gnome/sawfish, and when maximizing Opera, it fills one screen, but thinks that it has the realestate of all three, so stuff ends up being rendered off of the viewable area. I don't know if this is an Opera problem, a Gnome problem, or a Sawfish problem, but I won't be able to do much to fix it until I get around to installing a newer version of Gnome anyway. Hopefully this'll correct at that point.
Definitely pretty though.
Do not look into laser with remaining eye.
I downloaded this and have been playing with it for a few hours... it's very nice, except for the "close all" option in the tab-menu... I mean, why on earth should anyone want that? Probably to annoly people. :)
Because Opera is worth the money.
Or why should I settle for an ad-supported browser?
Because the ad does not report your surfing habits and is generally innocuous.
And especially since I have so many free and open source choices.
It's a free planet. If you prefer them, use them.;)
Why would I not use Phoenix, Mozilla or Konqueror?
I use the Windows version of 7.10 and it is simply amazing. The interface is extremely smooth and has loads of little touches that are simply missing from Phoenix 0.5 and Mozilla 1.4.
I'll paste in a pro-Opera 7.10 rant that I posted in elsewhere: To illustrate the customizable interface, check out this pic of my personalized Opera.
I hope that helped.;)
Is this a sigs-optional kind of place? 'Cause I am totally down with that if you know what I mean.
But is it free?
As a CD-carrying FSF'ist, I don't appreciate this coverage of software that isn't Free (as in ankle tracking device).
You should only discuss software that is Free, so that I can live my life blissfully unaware of the superior products available.
I agree. Websites coded to W3C standards generally render well with Opera. However, how many sites actually validate? There aren't very many (check out the source code of microsoft.com, yahoo.com, and other large sites... lots of coding errors). Until more web developers adopt the standards, I want to use a browser that doesn't choke on messy HTML and CSS.
... until the fat lady sings!
Yes, I know, too obvious. Mod me down, see what I care [whimper].
If you hang around on opera.linux, the guys at opera have been posting about preview releases for awhile now. They're really nice about people's input and critcism (thanks Espen!)
Vote for global prefs bug
Is that the correct model ?
I am scared of putting any adware on my PC. I don't care if Opera is THE browser. I still refuse to even give it a shot.
And for those of you who will say "Why not pay the odd 40$ and buy the ad free version.". I would say "Why should i dish out 40 $ when i can do with perfectly competetive products like mozilla or phoenix or god-forbidden even IE ?"
for the last time people, I am "frodo from middle eaRTH", not "middle eaST".
That's great that you will give them money when you can, but we aren't talking about a donation thing here. We're talking about a product which gives you two options of use: buy it, or use the free version with ad banners. If you choose the free version and disable the ads, then you are stealing.
I haven't downloaded the product, so I haven't verified the license agreement, but I'd imagine that they have wording in there regarding disabling the ad banners.
Just because you use a freely downloadable operating system doesn't mean that you have the right to take a commercial product and disable their ad banners from within the product. If you don't like the banners, go use one of the other alternatives.
I've been using Opera since 7.0 came out for windows. Though yes the occasional web page has minor compatibility issues with Opera, i will never go back to IE. The main reason that EVERYONE should switch to Opera is Mouse Gestures. A quick flick of the wrist now gives me features like back, forward, close page, new page, minimize, refresh, and more. Until you get used to it you'll never know just how much sense mouse gestures make. Pr0n browsing productivity is through the roof! Just Like netscape and Mozilla, Opera has tabbed browsing. I thought I wouldn't like that at first but it keep my desktop really organized. Will never go back to multiple windows, but Opera has the option if I wanted to. Another nifty little feature is when you start, you have the option of opening all the pages that were open when you last closed Opera. This is always handy, but especially so after your browser freezes while you had 10 pages open...annoying to go back to them one by one. No longer an issue. I've also switched to Opera's brand new mail client, M2. Not as mature as Outlook but I would still say it's nicer overall. Try it out. Factor in the Skinning feature, 3D effects on buttons, and the truely useful fast forward, fast back features, and you've got to wonder how long until either MS steals these features or Opera becomes the new standard.
Careful with the flamebait there, buddy. Mozilla and Phoenix have a hard time "ripping" anyone "off". Their users saw a feature that they liked and enough developers agreed so they wrote it. Welcome to open source. Don't be so abrasive.
Mouse geastures, big deal... Opera ripped of the ability to display HTML from Mosaic.
Analogies don't equal equalities, they are merely somewhat analogous.
I bank with TD Canada Trust, and have always been able to use most of the features of the site through Opera. Now, it just refuses to log me in. The page never updates, nothing. This is a real shame, since the fast forward button labels itself 'log in', which is exactly what I want. If this one thing worked, it would be just about the perfect browser.
Oh, well. I'll use Phoenix for banking and Opera for everything else until they fix it. (I DID submit a bug report.)
is it really that hard for Opera to fix their "various display" problems?
It is when the display problem is the web page's fault. I took a look at the page in Konq 3.1. By default, it rendered wrong. Then, I told Konq to lie to the web server and report that it was IE. Behold, a perfectly rendered page!
As an ISP, they should know better...
David
One of the really nice features with Opera is you can set a preference so that it identifies itself as IE of Mozilla. This makes browsing the web very easy as you get no errors being thrown about not having a supported browser. This does lead to inaccurate statistics from web servers. Whatever about not getting errors, I cannot set my default browser to Opera yet as there are still some sites which dont work in it e.g. www.ifilm.com. If administrators never see Opera showing up on their logs they are not going to design for it either.
well, actually, he is saving opera money by not retrieving the ads he can't afford to buy anything from.. ;)
and besides this is slashot, where i would guess most people think it is okay to circumvent such things.
is using mozilla stealing from internet sites because it has an popup ad blocker built in? i don't think so. is using opera offline stealing? in private network? 'stealing' from kazaa by disabling their spyware and blocking ads is ok but not from opera?
some people here think that they can do whatever they want with the data they got on their computer somehow, believing that it is _THEIR_ computer and the bits on their hd should be modified as _THEY_ see fit, silly them. some might be even paranoid about what opera sends home and block it for that, believing it again is _THEIR_ system and their network connection.
opera is a nice company and their browser rocks on low end machines, but really, the pay version should have something MORE, not something LESS, than the ad-version, now getting the pay version doesn't sport much difference, the benefit being losing just a small ad, so you pay for the program to do less.
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
I used some the 5.x and 6.x versions of Opera for a while but eventually got tired of constantly running into web sites that don't display properly. I tried Opera 7 briefly, and although it looks really cool and seems to be really fast, Opera's programmers are, unfortunatley, still stuck in their mindset of "we're going to strictly adhere to a set of web standards, despite the fact that 95% of the web sites in the world don't follow those standards."
Too many creators of "alternative" browsers are hung up on the idea that making a browser that can handle crappy designed-for-MSIE web pages somehows equals selling your soul to the devil.
Mozilla made the same mistake early on, but they finally woke up to the fact that MSIE, not W3C, is the standard, and you *CAN* make a browser that handles most of the crappy designed-for-MSIE web pages out there *AND* still has lots of innovative features -- the two are not mutually exlusive.
Also the decision by Opera to never release a WinCE version of the browser means I'll never be their customer again--I'm no MS fan, but I have a WinCE device. They don't want me as a customer apparently.
Too much wasted screen real estate. Those of us that only have 1024*768 screen resolutions hate that wasted junk at the top. And no, I don't buy web browsers. Too many free alternatives to do that.
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Fonts are ugly as hell. Konqueror / Nautilus / Mozilla all look much better. Even on
The speed is nice. So is a functional "cnn" takes you to "http://www.cnn.com/" and such.
That being said... I will try it for a week or so (using it now).
You know, you gotta give these guys credit, they give great quote. Their pronouncements are way more fun to listen too than ours. Come on, wouldn't you love to hear Rumsfield say, at a press conference, "We will crush and destroy these criminals like the odious cowards they are. Our glorious war machines will burn the godless heathens in their beds, and in their bunkers, and smite them where they stand. I shall personally remove Saddam's head with my sword and throw it to the mongrel dogs to eat."
Hell, I'd watch Fox News to see that.
What if life is just a side effect of some other process and God has no idea we exist?
I installed Opera 7.xx (I think it was 7.0) on a P1 133 and it sucked.. WAY TOO MUCH graphics for old, slow machines. I dumped it and went back to 6.05 and it was just fine on that slug slow laptop.
I installed 6.xx (I forget) on my Mandrake 9.0 box and I just didn't like it. I actually am one of the few that LIKES Konqueror.
I've gotten used to Konqueror and will stay with it.
On a Winbloz box I LOVE Opera, it whips ass, but beware, eveyrone is pushing new versions of everything (including for Linux) that *assumes* everyone uses they newest, fastest box available.
Not so, some people have old clunkers around.
My MDK 9.1 box is a P4 w/200gigs, 512ddr Gf4-Ti4200, it's really decent..
My laptop sucks, it runs on Flintstone brand batteries. My son uses a K6-2 400mhz and it's pretty klunky but he's a Playstation2 kind of guy and Opera 6.05 works best on his box, I tried 7.x on it and it sucked.
So, you coders out there, lighten up on the graphics PLEASE! There is more to life than eye candy!
In other words, they ripped it off.
It is really great. I had been using Phoenix 0.5 for a week now, but I have now fallen in love with Opera. I'm still too poor to dish out $40 for a web browser, but I would if I could. The rendering is great. Pages load very fast. I haven't run into any pages that don't look right (I haven't been to that many sites either). I could also liked that I had a greater choice of page fonts, as opposed to Phoenix (configuration issues?) The eyecandy is fascinating. Smooth effects all over, from forms (buttons, scrollbars) to toolbars and page tabs. Plus, I've got my qt settings really sweet now with transparency, great anti-aliased fonts and such, so the menus also look great. One of the things that took me by surprise was the size, only 4 megs (3986283). This was linked with qt, but nonetheless, this is pretty small for a full fledged browser with e-mail client. I haven't set any custom mouse gestures or keyboard shortcuts, but I looked at the interface, and it was pretty simple to do. I think I'm staying with Opera for a while.
Robert Bindler
A Computer Science student's views on technology.
how about the inability to change from the "in system window display" like you could with opera 6.0.
Press ALT+P, go to WINDOWS, check "Open pages in new window".
Use ISO 8601 dates [YYYY-MM-DD]
Up to version 6.x, Opera's DOM support was next to non-existent, which meant Javascript and other dynamic stuff wouldn't work properly, if it all. Remember NS 4.x's CSS usability? Yeah...
With 7.x, Opera has finally fixed this wanting need. Every site I visit that uses dynamic HTML etc works very well [as long as there is no proprietary crap code. Even 7.10 has many improvements and bugfixes over 7.
Give it a go and let us know if things have changed for the better. If not, tell us which sites give you troubles.
- CD
Use ISO 8601 dates [YYYY-MM-DD]
Simple - upgrade to 7.10, then go to PREFERENCES -> SKINS and select your toolbar magnification scale. I've set mine to a perfectly usable 40%. Additionally, you can use more skins that may suit your needs better.
That's your main complaint solved. Let's optimise things a bit, shall we?
Turn off the navigation bar: VIEW -> NAVIGATION BAR -> OFF.
Right-click on the main toolbar and press "I" [or "Images only".]
Finally, if you've registered Opera you can do this to good effect - remove all the toolbar buttons that you don't use by right-clicking on them and selecting "REMOVE". Then click on the status bar [if it is visible] and drag it on to the main toolbar. Select VIEW -> STATUS BAR -> OFF.
Have fun.
P.S.: To get to www.cnn.com from "cnn" faster, turn off local computer searching by going to PREFERENCES -> NETWORK -> SERVER NAME COMPLETION... and un-check "Look for local network machine".
Use ISO 8601 dates [YYYY-MM-DD]
... and Konqueror. Actually, Opera *introduced* tabbed browsing with their first public version several years ago. I didn't like it then, but for some reason I really got addicted to it when Multizilla came out.
* And remember, it's spelled N-e-t-s-c-a-p-e, but it's pronounced "Mozilla."
As a web developer, I will never develop pages for Opera. Just MSIE, Mozilla/Phoenix and Netscape 4.x.
Why on earth do you feel you need to develop for specific browsers? That's just so n00b.
Other than the totally borked horror that is Netscape 4.x, modern web clients - including Opera - generally do things right as long as you do it right.
Or like valuable screen real estate occupied by a banner image (and using bandwidth to download the banners)?
Most already use bandwidth to download the crappy images and plugin data you web DUH-signers throw in the pages themselves. Also, the banner ad is only present if you don't pay - so which are you criticizing, the ad-ware version or the paid version?
(I am sure your web-pages are designed to work with a browser's bandwidth-saving "no images"-mode though - unless you're pushing double standard here.)
I thought that the internet is about freedom and free access to information.
There is no such thing as a free (gratis) lunch. The "free" in "freedom" isn't the "free as in beer" but "free as in speach". Don't mix the two.
The idea of paying for a web browser seems ludicrous to me
Why is it wrong for a company to charge for the only product they make? But hey, if you think software should be subsidized, you're free to use other programs that have a different financing model that lets you use it at someone else's expense.
Why pay for something that is clearly sub-standard?
It's not sub-standard to those of us that use it.
And why do you write web pages for Netscape 4.x (which you mentioned at the start of your trolling) which is clearly sub-standard in every possible way?
Or bombard those who wont pay with flashing advertisments (that probably track usage and habbits anyway).
Lovely unfounded "probably" there. I guess you also turn off cookies in your browser and demand that web sites you visit turn off IP logging...
I know why it is only a 3.2 MB download, portions of the code are missing!
Such as? Is it really that hard to realize that someone actually can write a smaller program that does the same as a bigger one?
Or, in Opera 7.10, you can just click on the first link (if the links link to images) and fast-forward to the next image.