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Safari Beta 2 Available
pldms writes "Safari Beta 2 is available via Software Update or from the Safari page. This is build 73, for those who've had 'exclusive' access to previous development versions since beta 1 ;-) The blurb: 'Safari Beta 2 introduces tabbed browsing to conveniently see and switch between multiple web pages in a single window, and AutoFill to instantly fill out web forms and password fields. This update also features increased standards compatibility and improved application stability.'" I had to set Lax Certificate Checks in the Debug menu to use it with Slashdot ... and its secure cookie check is still quite broken (either saves secure cookies without the secure flag, or sends out secure cookies to insecure sites, which would violate
RFC 2965
where it says "no less than the same level of security").
At 9:38am EST, Safari Beta 2 didn't show up in Software Update (at least on my machine). Downloading it from Apple's website works fine, though.
For a touch of karma whoring, for the people who never played around with an 'unreleased' beta (which includes me), the keyboard/mouse controls for tabbed browsing (which is turned off by default, and has it's own tab in the new Safari Preferences).
Apple-Click : Opens a link in a new tab.
Apple-Shift-Click : Opens a link in a new tab and selects it.
Apple-Option-Click : Opens a link in a new window behind the other one.
Apple-Option-Shift-Click : Opens a link in a new window and selects it.
There is also the check box option to always display the tab bar, plus 'Select new tabs as they are created', which alters the above keyboard setup.
I'm on my iBook at the moment, so I'm not sure how these interface with multi-button mice, but I guess you could configure the buttons to correlate with these modifiers, if you haven't already...
There's a novel new feature related to the Tabs that bears mention. If you have folder/menus in your Bookmark Bar populated with bookmarks, there's now a menu item at the bottom of that pull-down menu that says "Open in Tabs". If you select this it will create a new tab for all the bookmarks in that group of bookmarks! This is similar to a feature in Camino that lets you set up tab groups. What I'd like to see is the ability to save a tab group or "workspace" out to a special .webloc type file that I can use to launch a bunch of URLs from the dock, or by double clicking, etc. Maybe there's a way to do this right now?
Hmm. I'm not sure about perfect, but I was with you in spirit for a while as I tried out the new version. It's an impressive upgrade. Tabs are nice. Speed has improved. All looked well...
Then I went to an ftp site.
For those unaware, Safari can't browse ftp. It delegates it to another application. This is curious, yet might be ok if weren't for the fact that the application in question is the finder, which attempts to mount the ftp site as a disk.
Annoying. And it gets worse, because mounting a remote ftp site often seems to threadlock the entire OS: the dreaded spinning wheel of death.
So I'm currently rebooting thanks to Safari.
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Well, one thing they fixed, (which is important for web-application people like me) is the form file upload method. In .67 it was broken: no file browser would appear when you clicked 'Choose File', so that is definitely an improvement. It worked in .60, but they managed to break it in between.
.67 (myself included) had any right to complain about broken features in an unreleased version ;)
Not that anyone using
-- caleb
Hold down the command key while right-clicking on the word and selecting "Google Search". It will open up the results in a new tab
If we can't fix it, we'll fix it so nobody else can!
You can. Simply hold down the command key when you pop the menu up, and it opens the search in a new tab.
Maybe a hierachial (sp?) menu feature here would be a slicker solution though...
Go to Preferences, click on Tabs, check "Enable Tabbed Browsing."
Oops. I submitted this assuming it would only appear in our little Mac corner of the Slashdot world. I forgot that most Apple stories make it to the front page these days, no matter how parochial :-)
In fairness, the phrases "tabbed browsing" and "multiple web pages" should have provided a hint...
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Ok, updated Safari. Tabbed browsing support means Safari is now my default browser.
But I want to transfer the bookmarks from the bookmark bar in Camino to Safari. Seems like a lot of trouble. Because, well, it couldn't... or, it's OS X but yet... could bookmarks be drag-n-droppable? Between browsers from two entirely different places? They couldn't...
But they are. And that's damn sexy.
It just works.
Finally! Tabbed browsing... the one feature I missed from Camino!
From the fifteen minutes I've used it so far, Safari now "acts" a lot like Camino
Now I get the speed of Safari with the features of Camino!
Camino has been quite crashy for me (as others posting have mentioned as well) so I'll hold off the final verdict to see if Safari crashes less (though, I will state that it crashed less anyway... it just didn't have tabs!) :)
-A
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Another thing that I noticed in 67 is that when I would Hide Safari, it would crash sometimes.
I've been trying to make 73 crash by hiding, in the last few minutes to no avail.
Also, the auto fill feature button is different (I know your wanting functional improvments).
Another new feature is the "Reset Safari" found under the Safari menu. It appears to empty your cache, delete cookies, history, etc. Nice if you don't want your boss/wife finding all that porn you've been looking at.
There are more options when you right click on somethign (ctrl-click).
Some pdf don't automatically launch for me though after downloading them, I had this problem with 67, but not with 60.
There appears to be more options in the preferences too.
For whatever reason, this version of Safari, as well as v.71, won't work with the cookies in Bugzilla. On two machines I've tried it on both bugzilla.mozilla.org and our own internal versions of it. Kind of annoying to work with tickets all day at work and have to keep re-logging in. Hopefully this issue has a nice workaround either on the Safari or the Bugzilla side.
I currently recommend a nightly build of Camino instead for these users. It now has a pretty nifty & flexible Google search bar finally (obligatory screenshot). I do miss the spell-as-you-type feature in Safari however.
OK, for the record, when looking in your bookmarks and seeing the 'Open in Tabs' button when you think 'what does this do?' don't do it on a very full menu.
It opens every bookmark in that menu in it's own tab. Woot. talk about a lotta web pages
As a rock-in-roll Physicist once said, No matter where you go, there you are.
If you mean "how do I see what a link points to without following the link?" then you need to turn on the Status Bar from the View menu. Then a link that you're hovering over is displayed at the bottom of the window.
...so I can punt ftp onto something less nasty (you can use IE for this, bizarrely).
:-)
Heh. Why can't Apple just punt you to the command line? Not like you need fancy graphics to ftp.
Well, I was thinking of Transmit or somesuch. btw, I wasn't clear originally. You can use IE to set the URL handler for a give URL scheme (like Internet Config could). All apps seem to respect it. Weird that IE has a use
Multithreading the finder would be a *huge* task.
It's not the Finder's fault. When this fault arises any app which attempts to touch any file system stops responding - and that doesn't go via the finder. I assume there's a bug in the VFS somewhere.
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Use Vince to change your default ftp helper. It's kind of like the protocol helper prefs in Classic IE.
Anyone else notice that Autofill now not only works, it gets info from the (system wide) AddressBook? Change your address in one place for envelopes, Palm Business Cards, and now your browser!
Ok, so it is minor. Still cool.
'Sensible' is a curse word.
If software update doesn't show the new Safari, make sure the old one's in the root of your Applications folder, otherwise it won't recognise it.
There's a send bug report feature in Safari. Turn the button on in the view menu.
yeah the tabs are really great but, It really would be nice if I could stop moving my window from side to side looking for the Tab behind the one I am on!
"If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?" - Albert Einstein
Once you create the folder you can just drag it into another folder. Once you have your PHP, Perl and Java folder filled, you can click on the "Show all bookmarks" icon in the bookmark bar. Then click on the Development folder. Then drag the PHP... folders from the collections pane to the bookmarks pane.
Camino makes you look at ads, too, you dork.
/etc/hosts to block ad servers, and you won't have to look at many banner ads in /any/ browser.
/etc/hosts:
/Applications/Utilities/Directory Access.
Learn to use
Example entry in
0.0.0.0 ad.doubleclick.net
I see no ads from that server anymore.
For more info, check out http://www.everythingisnt.com/hosts.html
However, to enable this file, you must enable "BSD Configuration Files" with/in
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You get "in a new tab in the current window" if you choose "in the current window" and tabs are enabled.
Tear off tabs doth not work... neat idea though.
Interesting - this locked up your entire system? On dial-up, I've seen it cause Finder to lock up and need a Force Quit, but never lock the entire OS. I've just followed mbkkelsey's advice and used Vince to change the ftp 'helper' application. In my quick test, I used Transmit and it worked flawlessly.
Of course, it would still be a whole lot nicer if Safari could handle the FTP itself, just like virtually every other modern browser...
Did anyone else look through the Safari theater? They show you how to bookmark Slashdot!
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And we also have a cancel button...in case you don't want toast.
and then relaunch Safari. A new menu entitled "Debug" should be available.
Pi
If you like this feature in Safari, I highly recommend the simple and elegant SearchGoogle service. The page says "10.1" at the top, but that's 10.1 or higher -- it works fine for me on Jaguar.
The service lets you search Google with selected text in any app supporting services, not just Safari, with just a cmd-shift-G. It's amazing how useful this is! For example, I'll often select some class name in my code to look for online docs.
True, it doesn't integrate with Safari's tabs in any slick way -- it just opens a new window. It's still pretty sweet, though.
This release renders NPR's The World correctly for the first time.
One nice Safari feature is the two-click procedure to report a broken page to Apple. The World is the only page I ever had to report. Now I am happy.
Of course, The World is produced by PRI, not NPR. Sorry.
Ah, but you can. The spell-checking feature has been in Safari for a few releases. Simply click into a text box and then you can activate it by right-clicking, by selecting Spelling under the Edit menu, or with the keyboard shortcut - Apple-: (Command-colon). There is also an option to check spelling as you type, but it has no keyboard shortcut. I hope someone writes an Applescript to activate it on any page in the slashdot.org domain.
Bust yourself to develop and demonstrate new UI and core technologies to have them lifted by a large for-profit computer maker?
Yes. And the best part is that you can lift them right back. Competition is healthy.
Granted the open source Camino is intended to create new work without profit, but at some point it will also lose the "profit" of public attention, and wither away, and cease to produce new things.
You seem to be saying that if nobody uses Camino, then Camino will not be used. Yes, indeed. If people stop using Caminio, it will be because they are using something better. This is a good thing, whether it is Safari or not.
At the least I'd like to see Safari give a nod to Chimera.
Like what? Giving it's lead developer a job? I think that's quite a nod. They also gave quite a nod to the KHTML team (to whom they owe much more), both in name, and in source.
-dr.badass
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If you notice, this browser is 10.2 meg. After doing a get info on the file, I noticed that it supported languages that I would never use. To make your Safari smaller, do a get info on it, click the languages arrow and remove all the langs you don't want/need.
Removing French, German and Japanese brought the file size down to 7.6 meg.
- Zav - Imagine a Beowulf cluster of insensitive clods...
You've got bad hardware. Otherwise, as with all computers, if you run new software on old machines, or old software on new machines, you're in trouble. The Mac 8600 was intended for Mac OS 8. If you're running Mac OS 9 or X on it, then you should install Windows XP Pro on your P200 before comparing. :)
Try installing Mac OS 8.1 on the 8600, install the same speed HD on your Mac as your PC, format the drive as HFS instead of HFS+, and boot with extensions off. Your copy should happen in about half the time as on the PC, or your hardware is just old and needs to be replaced. PCs break down, too, you know.
Not all Macs are superior to PCs, and not all PCs are superior to all Macs. You seem to have encountered lemons; or you seem think that comparing speed without considering software configurations is legitimate; or maybe you don't know enough about Mac and PC maintenance (such as regularly running various system maintence utilities) to keep your machines running smoothly.
Don't blame all Macs for your own ignorance. The relative speed of legitimate comparisons between Macs and PC put similarly configured machines within 10% performance of one another on the most common comparisons. So, to assert that one platform is significantly speedier than the other is not a generalization that carries much weight. They're about the same, with slight advantages in one narrow area or another.
So, in general, people should choose platforms based on which one they know best and can afford. I choose Macs because because I know Unix, I prefer Mac UIs and what I have to do in Windows I can do in emulation.
On the other hand, you shouldn't be using Macs becuase you don't know enough about them to make them work for you. You probably try to apply your superficial knowledge of Windows to the Mac, which will screw up a Mac every time out the gate. Just like the PC, the only way to avoid the pitfalls of OS quirks are to study serious books about them and treat each OS the way it wants you to treat it, not the way you think you should be able to treat it.
Apple's slogan changed from "the computer for the rest of us" to "Think Different." The latter is more appropriate. Anyone who is willing to think differently about computers (than Microsoft forces you to think) will have a great experience with Macs. Those whose brains are so dulled from Windows that they can't learn new tricks should just remain enslaved to Redmond for the rest of their miserable lives and stop slandering Apple like a bunch of ignorant losers.
Sure, you can do a lot pretty well with Windows, and Linux is coming right along. Macs share a lot of the best of both worlds, even without emulation, but only for those willing to think a little different. Macs aren't perfect, but they're no more imperfect than PCs. Emotional outbursts notwithstanding, differences between comparable Macs and PCs are too minor to quibble over.
Now, stop trolling and crawl back into your hole.