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Feral Robot Dogs

stinkypig sent in a blurb about Feral Robot Dogs, assorted modifications of the commercial AIBO dogs to be "more useful". For various definitions of useful. See also a discussion on smartmobs.com.

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  1. Yes! by Spazholio · · Score: 2, Funny

    My dreams of one day owning a real-live (sorta) Dyno-Mutt are closer to fruition!

  2. useful? by zenintrude · · Score: 5, Insightful

    still not usefulful enough to warrent the $1400 price tags...

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    1. Re:useful? by Chris_Stankowitz · · Score: 2, Insightful
      till not usefulful enough to warrent the $1400 price tags.

      I'll have to disagree with you there. $1400 isn't much at all if this tecnology works the way they would like it to. I think you should reserve your griping about cost when the project is over with. That price seems highly conservative IMO. That is much less than what it takes to train and support a Real dog. However, replacing real dogs is not something I see happening anytime soon.

    2. Re:useful? by magullo · · Score: 2, Informative
    3. Re:useful? by beaverfever · · Score: 4, Interesting
      I agree about the price - my first thought when reading this was 'who would pay for this?'

      My second thought was 'why use robot dogs to check for pollutants? Why not just have a person walk around with sensors on a stick? If someone thought the area was really toxic, so toxic that a person couldn't safely be in the area (but for some reason a school was going to be built there), then why not just use a radio controlled car and save $1350 per unit?

      I do believe that nerds have a tendency to let the 'gee-whiz' get in the way of common sense sometimes.

      Oh, but wait - I forgot this point - this idea is to "create a local mediagenic event" and "enable and change typical lay-expert communication patterns, by raising the standards of evidence, or at least changing who produces this evidence". So, if I'm Mr. Burns and I find these things crawling around on the land around my powerplant, what's stopping me from sending Smithers out to pick them up and throw them in the lake?

    4. Re:useful? by po8 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So, if I'm Mr. Burns and I find these things crawling around on the land around my powerplant, what's stopping me from sending Smithers out to pick them up and throw them in the lake?

      Heh. When my doctoral advisor was at Stanford, Shakey the Robot was there, and always had a crowd of graduate students following it around. My advisor got tired of this, and told the folks running Shakey: "If Shakey wanders into my office, it's not coming out."

      The operators put foil tape in front of my advisor's office door, and a photosensor in the base of Shakey, to guard against this calamity.

      Or so I've been told...

  3. What's with AIBO and DCMA? by will_die · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Based on this article it would seem that Sony does not people modding thier robot dog. So is that article the latest word or has Sony wisened up?

    1. Re:What's with AIBO and DCMA? by Falkkin · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Check out Tekkotsu -- it's an open-source library for the AIBO, being developed by a bunch of folks at CMU. The "Fearless Leader and Principal Scientist" of the project is Dave Touretzky, whom Slashdotters may remember as the man behind the Gallery of CSS Descramblers and his testimony in the NY DVD trial.

      It once cost a substantial amount of money to buy an AIBO devkit from Sony; I now think they're wising up by opening up the SDK and allowing GPLd libraries like Tekkotsu to exist.

    2. Re:What's with AIBO and DCMA? by linuxelf · · Score: 3, Funny

      > Sony does not people modding thier robot dog.

      Uh, toss me a verb. "does not mind people modding their robot dog?" "does not want people modding their robot dog?" "does not kill people modding their robot dog?"

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    3. Re:What's with AIBO and DCMA? by magullo · · Score: 2, Informative

      They back tracked

    4. Re:What's with AIBO and DCMA? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny
      Here on Slashdot, you can have it your way!

      "Sony does not _____ people modding their robot dog."
      • order pizza for
      • correct the grammar of
      • brutally murder
      • send flowers to
      • spam
      • metamoderate
      • silently ignore
      • other _______

      Pick whatever you like!
  4. NEW WORDS by Boss,+Pointy+Haired · · Score: 2, Informative

    Feral.

    6 entries found for Feral @ www.dictionary.com

    feral ( P ) Pronunciation Key (fîrl, fr-)
    adj.

    Existing in a wild or untamed state.
    Having returned to an untamed state from domestication.
    Of or suggestive of a wild animal; savage: a feral grin.

  5. Opps! by saintan · · Score: 2, Funny

    Well I botched that one...shoulda used the preview button I guess... should have read: Do Paraniod Androids Dream Of Electric [Feral Dogs] ? read this sequel to Phillip K. Dick's masterpiece novel...in store's now! i guess i lost that funny mod!

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  6. free nanobots by effer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Since I first heard of nanotechnology, a logical use seemed to be using it to create landfill miners.
    Small robotic devices sent into most landfills could harvest bost the useful and the harmful substances from them.
    This "robodog" mod is an excellent first step towards this. Well intentioned, but likely doomed to
    the humour or "wierd news" fold.
    I look forward to following it.

    1. Re:free nanobots by bluGill · · Score: 2, Informative

      Have you payed attendtion to recyceling costs? Most curbside recyceling programs are lossing money because resources are not worth the effort to collect. In theory we can mine landfills, and I expect in the future we will. Today Almost nothing is worth the cost extract it.

  7. Well yeah by TheFr00n · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... It's about time someone did something useful with these things.

    A local newsagent is selling a series of these horrid mags with a bit of a robot on the cover, collect them all and build it, sort of a thing. I can just imagine how proud I'd be to watch my lad's robot savage the postie ...

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  8. What department is this? by NETHED · · Score: 3, Funny

    eating-steaks-that-grow-on-trees dept?? Comon Micheal, We know its early but this title is ++ungood.

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    1. Re:What department is this? by FreeUser · · Score: 4, Informative

      eating-steaks-that-grow-on-trees dept?? Comon Micheal, We know its early but this title is ++ungood.

      It is a sci-fi reference to a cybernetically enhanced attack dog. Snowcrash (?) I think. One of those cyberpunkesque novels, where the dog lived much of his life in a virtual state, eating steaks that grew on trees. Rather clever, though clearly an insider reference.

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    2. Re:What department is this? by coldcity · · Score: 3, Informative
      From http://www.wiu.edu/users/mucs14/SnowCrash.html:

      EXCERPT FROM SNOW CRASH:
      "They'll catch up," NG says. "On a straightaway, they can run at seven hundred miles per hour."
      "Is it true they have nuke stuff inside of them?"
      "Radiothermal isotopes."
      "What happens if one gets busted open? Everyone gets all mutated?"
      "If you ever find yourself in the presence of a destructive force powerful enough to decapsulate those isotopes," Ng says, "radiation sickness will be the least of your worries."

      The conversation continues between Y.T. and Ng with Y.T. expressing concern over the manner in which these dogs' biomatter has been munipulated to include mechanical enhancesments and many destructive devices. She finds it cruel. Ng explains to her that these "mechanically assisted organisms" are the result of abandoned dogs taken in and sent to what amounts to as "dog heaven." [They are] "Chasing frisbees through the surf. Forever. Eating steaks that grow on trees. [and] Lying beside the fire in a hunting lodge."
      So there y'go :)
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  9. Legal issues around feral robots by maharg · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm just wondering the about the legal issues surrounding the release of a 'feral' robot..

    When you release your feral robot to freely wander about, would you have any legal right of ownership over it, if, say, someone else took it into their own possession ?

    On the converse, could you be held responsible for it's actions ?

    Are there any legal precendents around for any of this stuff ?

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    1. Re:Legal issues around feral robots by maharg · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Let's see...you bought a car. You now own it. You drive it responsibly...the fact that you may or may not have maintained the brakes and tyres is relevant because you're responsible for it. The fact that there are design faults in the brakes and tyres is also relevant. In this scenario you could well be completely absolved of any responsibility for any damage it causes due to the design faults.

      See the problem ?

      If a fault was unintentionally, or even malicously coded into the robot's software, could you be held responsible ?

      The Killer Robot story makes an interesting read..

      How is that any different than putting a crowbar in my John Deere's steering wheel and letting it loose on my neighbor's lawn?
      The difference my friend, is that legal precendents around the use of John Deeres equipment were set long ago....

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  10. laser beams? by bunyip · · Score: 5, Funny

    How about frigging feral robot dogs with frigging laser beams on their heads?

    Yeah baby!

    Alan.

  11. Interesting to see exploration of behaviour.... by Bvardi · · Score: 5, Funny

    Under poop and scoop laws would you have to follow around one of these with an anti-static baggie?

    On a more serious note - it's always interesting to see explorations of behaviour in robotics (since future robots used for autonomous exploration of planetary surfaces and such will likely need different programming than the traditional robot (many of which would actually be closer to teleoperated machines than robots as they rely on human instruction for just about everything.

    It reminds me to some degree of some sci-fi stories exploring AI and von neumann type machines interacting in such a way to create robotic "evolution". Which makes you further wonder - one day could obsolete robots be considered endangered species? (Look over there... it's one of the last VIC-20's left in the wild!)

  12. Not their heads. by wowbagger · · Score: 3, Funny

    You don't put the laser on the robot dogs head.

    You put the laser in the dog's nose.

    1. Re:Not their heads. by wowbagger · · Score: 2, Funny

      You may notice that I compared "on their heads" vs "IN their nose"

      ON vs IN are two very different things.

      As George Carlin said, "You can get ON the plane, I'M going to get IN the plane!"

  13. So... by cjpez · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ... will we be seeing some Stephenson rat things wandering around anytime soon, then?

  14. Note from the sysadmin by pemerson · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's a 600MHz Celeron with 60MB RAM. I was surprised I didn't see any smoke when I went to reboot it.
    I just throttled back MaxClients in httpd.conf. You'll be able to get in a little bit easier now, for a little while at least.

    And no, I have no control over the content or the hardware.

  15. Angry Fish by TheSync · · Score: 4, Funny

    In a related vein, I'm working on Angry Fish. In addition to the first fish that cries out in pain, I am working on a school of seven Linux-controlled fish, which will soon be decrying their position in life.

  16. Yipes! by Anixamander · · Score: 2, Funny

    Maybe I should stop reading slashdot. Just when I finally stopped worrying about fake monkey automotans now I have to stress over feral robot dogs.

    Will the madness never end?

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  17. What next? by trailerparkcassanova · · Score: 4, Funny

    Programming it to hump the legs of attractive women?

    1. Re:What next? by PhxBlue · · Score: 2, Funny

      Have mercy! Us geeks have enough competition already without creating more!

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  18. Federal Robot Dogs? by A+Guy+From+Ottawa · · Score: 2, Funny

    I read Federal Robot Dogs at first and immediately a picture of Janet Reno popped into my head.

    (shudders)

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  19. New web censorship counter measures.... by Odinson · · Score: 2, Funny
    Bad Dog web server.

    "We have an order to shut down that grotesque web server. Where is it!"

    "In the killer robot... over there. I forgot the password, you'll have to shut him down manually."

    "Grrrrrrrrrrrr"

    "Nice doggie..."

  20. I'll get a real dog... by zvogt · · Score: 2, Funny

    As long as the tree-hugging hippies don't give
    me any shit when I mod the thing.

  21. Eyes in the back of their WHAT? by RackinFrackin · · Score: 2, Funny

    from smartmobs.com:

    An emblematic feature of the adapted dogs is placement of the webcams in the non-barking end of the dogs

  22. Evolution in action... by magarity · · Score: 3, Funny

    1. Wild dogs evolve
    2. Humans domesticate wild dogs.
    3. Humans create domesticated robotic dogs
    4. Robotic dogs go wild
    5. Wild robotic dogs tame humans???

    1. Re:Evolution in action... by unicron · · Score: 3, Funny

      Well..technically you CAN still punt the thing about 50 yards should it give you any lip.

      Or just wait for the explosive collar mod.

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  23. Obligatory Snow Crash Quote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Whats it gonna do? Lick its electric nuts?

    -Y.T., Snow Crash, by Neal Stephenson

  24. Obligatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    AIBO ate my Baby!

  25. I worked with these at the Florida Film Festival by mistermund · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This project made its debut at the 2003 Florida Film Festival here in Orlando about a month or so ago. I worked on the dogs for a day, helping assemble some of the first prototypes. The dog platform they used was initially a cheap toy (Mega-Byte) that they purchased for about $10. Then, they added particulate sensors which were sensitive to Co2 and other things like gasoline, etc. A new stepper motor assembly replaced the front legs, and a single tail wheel carried the rear. This is the bot you see at the top of the "Smart Mobs" link. The system basically got a variable voltage reading off the particulate sensors, then fed that to a PIC which did a linear variable speed control to the drive motors in the front. Ex: gasoline vapor on the left of the bot would drive the bot forward and to the left.

    Modding a single dog took about 2-3hrs per dog, if you count in the soldering and layout of the PCB and the modification of the dog shell.

    The purpose of the exhibit was to create a mediagenic event around coordinated releases of the dogs. There's a development here in Orlando called Baldwin Park, which has a bit of notoriety around it for being build on the site of an old Army base. They wanted to draw attention to the repurposing of these dogs and the fact that they could be used to make a statement, rather than trying to expose specific polluters, etc

    It was kind of fun working on the dogs, and to see them run. We sent a team out into the field to videotape the dogs in action - supposedly they took it to a Burger King and it just ran into a corner. On a construction work site, one dog caught a whiff of a truck and went rolling after it. ;^)

    We had fun working on the dogs, but weren't able to spend much time discussion the potential for this kind of renegade modding - in that sense I was a bit disappointed. But the whole sense of modding these dogs is what Slashdot is all about! Unfortunately, they don't run Linux yet...