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Where Does Spam Come From? No, Really?

jnazario writes "The Center for Democracy and Technology has recently put together a really neat paper studying the methods by which spammers get your email addresses. The report posted otherwise unused email addresses in a variety of locations, using different techniques for visibility (ie HTML encoding vs plaintext) and then watched what accumulated after six months. They generated some interesting results into the methods by which spammers can track you (with publicly available websites containing your bare email address being the most popular method) and even some techniques to stop spam, such as HTML encoding your email address. A very interesting read."

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  1. Woah by mr.henry · · Score: 5, Funny

    This seems familiar.

    1. Re:Woah by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 4, Funny

      Slashdot needs a new story topic: Dupes! Suggestions for an icon, anyone?

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    2. Re:Woah by heytal · · Score: 2, Funny

      But even after giving three chances, the guys at cdt.org won't learn.. look, their site is slashdotted again!!

    3. Re:Woah by CustomDesigned · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's OK. I gave up Slashdot for Lent, so the timing of the repost was perfect. Now to HTML encode my email on all my web pages . . .

    4. Re:Woah by dtfarmer · · Score: 4, Funny

      After reading through that report for the third time, I think I have an interesting point to make - but I'll wait for slashdot to dupe the story a fourth time before I post it...

    5. Re:Woah by Steve+Christ · · Score: 5, Funny

      Dolly the sheep. :O)

    6. Re:Woah by jpetts · · Score: 2, Funny

      Suggestions for an icon, anyone?

      Only one icon?

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    7. Re:Woah by codezion · · Score: 2, Funny

      And soon to come the famous statement -

      update Oh well, its a dupe. Whatever, it gives people something to complain about I guess ;)

    8. Re:Woah by NanoGator · · Score: 3, Funny

      "Slashdot needs a new story topic: Dupes! Suggestions for an icon, anyone? "

      Mini Me. It's a perfect clone, but only 1/8th as interesting.

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    9. Re:Woah by Black+Copter+Control · · Score: 2, Funny
      "http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/04/12/14422 06&mode=thread&tid=111&tid=95" title="slashdot.org">seems familiar.

      Oh my god, Slashdot is Spamming us!

      (FYI: the original definition of spamming included (was) multiple (usenet) posting of the same article).

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  2. Everyone knows.... by Chris_Stankowitz · · Score: 5, Funny

    that Spam comes from a 'SPIG'. Cousin to the pig, but has to be mechanically seperated before being canned and served.

    1. Re:Everyone knows.... by beders · · Score: 3, Funny

      The best way to avoid spam is to get the page with your email address on /.ed

  3. Dupe by blackmonday · · Score: 2, Funny

    Is it April Fool's again? I'm waiting for the story on the evil bit now.

  4. Where Does Spam Come From? by Gossy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    From those damn Spamers I'd guess.

    No wait, better - it comes from those companies who profit from the utilisation of bandwidth. People who sell email servers marketed as coping with massive volumes of email too. Oh, and lets not forget the people spam filters!

    Cynical? Me? :)

    1. Re:Where Does Spam Come From? by sketerpot · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Speaking of the people making spam filters, there is sometimes talk about a conflict of interest since the companies that sell spam filters don't have much incentive to make spam (and hence the need for their filters) go away. Here is where the hole in the argument comes: spam filters are sometimes made by people who don't stand to make money from them, like POPfile (it works excellently for me). And that, my fellow slashdotters, is why you should use open source spam filters.

  5. hrm by Vej · · Score: 3, Interesting

    But what explains the amazing spectrum of sources?

    Even with a black-list implementation, spam has been through the roof lately, almost too much to keep up with submitting even.

  6. 3rd time: charming by rakerman · · Score: 5, Informative

    If Slashdot posts the same report three times, is that slashspam?

  7. Definition: SLAM by kvn299 · · Score: 5, Funny

    SLAM: An unsolicited duplicate Slashdot story.

  8. Duplicate of March 19th article by richard-parker · · Score: 2, Informative

    This article is a duplicate of one posted on March 19 back when the CDT report was released:

    CDT Releases New Report on Origins of Spam

  9. From here by zm · · Score: 2
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  10. Tripe by s20451 · · Score: 4, Funny
    It's not just a dupe. Better yet, it's a tripe.

    tripe n.
    1. Stomach tissue of a ruminant and especially of the ox used as food
    2. Something poor, worthless, or offensive

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  11. Spam is mainly dupes by SpaghettiPattern · · Score: 2, Funny

    Yes....

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  12. On a related note, Alyx Sachs, spammer, says... by tbetz · · Score: 5, Informative

    "'These antispammers should get a life[...] Do their fingers hurt too much from pressing the delete key? How much time does that really take from their day?"

    "By contrast, she said, '70 million people have bad credit. Guess what? Now I can't get mail through to them to help them.'"

    The whole story is available at:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/22/technology/22S PA M.html?pagewanted=print&position=

    Also available at

    http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/busines s/ 1877197

    Is Alyx Sachs the female Alan Ralsky?

    1. Re:On a related note, Alyx Sachs, spammer, says... by gbjbaanb · · Score: 3, Interesting
      at least we get a new spam story from /. - shame it wasn't the one posted by the editor.

      I liked the quote from AOL: America Online says the amount of spam aimed at its 35 million customers has doubled since the year started and now approaches 2 billion messages a day, more than 70 percent of the mail its users receive. I make that 2000 spam messages per user per day! (even if you use the American Billion, and not the British).

      Thank god for ISP filters, I don't quite feel so bad about the 20 or so I get per day now. (not that I use AOL, so I don't know if those spams get through to their users).

    2. Re:On a related note, Alyx Sachs, spammer, says... by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Nice...

      "The legislation introduced recently in the Senate would try to make many practices used by spammers illegal. It would force commercial e-mail to identify the true sender, have an accurate subject line and offer recipients easy removal from marketing lists. And it would impose fines for violators.

      For her part, e-mail marketer Sachs says that any such move will only end up making it harder to run a legitimate business."


      So Ms. Sachs, tell me, what kind of "legitimate business" necessitates hiding the true sender of those email?

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    3. Re:On a related note, Alyx Sachs, spammer, says... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
      Would that be... this Alyx Sachs???

      Alyxsandra Sachs
      112 Catamaran St
      Marina Del Rey, CA 90292-5769
      (310)578-1728

      (Courtesy of Switchboard.com)

    4. Re:On a related note, Alyx Sachs, spammer, says... by shekondar · · Score: 3, Informative
      Y'know, it wouldn't be very nice if, say, somebody posted a link to this scumbag's website...

      Or, their site's WHOIS record...
      Registrant:
      Albert Ahdoot (NETGLOBALMARKETING-COM-DOM)
      Net Global Marketing Inc.
      18375 Ventura Blvd
      Suite 326
      Tarzana, CA 91356
      USA
      3238459660
      2069841344
      aahdoot@yahoo.com

      Domain Name: NETGLOBALMARKETING.COM

      Administrative Contact:
      Richard Stewart support@usmnet.net
      219 North Main
      Suite 210
      Bryan, TX 77803
      USA
      9798222827

      Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
      Richard Stewart support@usmnet.net
      219 North Main
      Suite 210
      Bryan, TX 77803
      USA
      9798222827

      Let the /.ing begin!

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    5. Re:On a related note, Alyx Sachs, spammer, says... by SirLanse · · Score: 2, Informative

      Uhh 2 billion divided by 35 million is 57 msgs
      per day, and 70 percent of that is 40 spams
      per day per AOHell user.

      Bad Karma is still Karma

    6. Re:On a related note, Alyx Sachs, spammer, says... by rtechie · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "So Ms. Sachs, tell me, what kind of "legitimate business" necessitates hiding the true sender of those email?"

      To be fair to Ms. Sachs, she's right about this one. This legislation wouldn't affect the policies of ISPs, who uniformly ban ALL spam in their Terms of Service. If she were forced to identify her REAL email address, people would complain to her REAL ISP and get her kicked off even faster. If she was forced to put ADV: in her subject line most end users would never even see the mail because ISPs would block it at the servers, etc.

      Of course, she's making the assumption that any business based on spamming, junk mail, junk faxes, etc. is "legitimate".

  13. All SPAM comes from.... by Znonymous+Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Iraqi Information Minister Mohammed Saeed al-Sahhaf (aka Baghdad Bob). He's always telling us that:

    "Americans are not in Baghdad"

    or

    "Loose wieght in just 2 weeks"

    or

    "Make money fast"

    or

    "Requested information"

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    Karma: The shiznight, mostly because I am the Drizzle.

    1. Re:All SPAM comes from.... by jpetts · · Score: 4, Funny

      Iraqi Information Minister Mohammed Saeed al-Sahhaf (aka Baghdad Bob). He's always telling us that:

      "Loose wieght in just 2 weeks"


      He was misquoted: he actually said "Lose Kuweight in two weeks...

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  14. spam report by KingRamsis · · Score: 2, Funny

    the readers of /. are being spammed with reports about spam...
    /. editors come on guys make up and start talking to each other again.

  15. How to signal spam by ChrisNowinski · · Score: 2, Funny

    Spam should clearly have the Evil Bit set to on.

  16. Where do dupes come from? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Where do duplicate slashdot articles come from? No, really?

  17. Blasting Spammers with URLs by BigBlockMopar · · Score: 5, Funny

    I like to have fun with this one. Make sure that you take out any "serial numbers" which might be embedded in the link. Call as many dynamic scripts on the page as you can.

    #!/bin/bash

    COUNT=0
    while [ $COUNT -lt 2000 ]; do
    lynx -dump $1?YOU_FILL_MY_MAILBOX_WITH_UNSOLICITED_CRAP_AND_I _WILL_DO_THE_SAME_TO_YOUR_WEBLOGS
    let COUNT=COUNT+1
    echo $COUNT
    done

    Okay, it's ugly. And who knows if they actually check their weblogs? But it makes me feel better.

    Besides, they were warned on my webpage, which outlines all the policies with regard to sending e-mail to my domain.

    A really neat extension would be to have a script which parses the e-mail for links, de-fluffs them (to remove redirects through Yahoo and obfuscators like that) and automatically hits each and every one of the URLs given... but I haven't gotten around to it yet.

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    1. Re:Blasting Spammers with URLs by delcielo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      On a related note:

      I currently am suffering from somebody pulling a joe-job on an account at my company. Somebody is sending out e-mail ads for a penile enlargement scheme and forging one of our addresses as the sender.

      Legally, where would I stand if I started scripting 1000 e-mail complaints a day to the advertiser?

      I wonder...

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  18. Slash code addition by BMonger · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Maybe SlashCode should be set up to look through the links for the past X days/months/whatever and see if there are any duplicate links. Then it could bring up a little warning saying that the link has already been posted so somebody can do a quick check. It wouldn't keep all of the dupes out but it'd help. Of course, thats a rough idea and I'm not going to code it... dupes don't bother me all that much...

  19. Mirror, of the conclusions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Conclusions

    1. E-mail addresses harvested from the public Web are frequently used by spammers. By an overwhelming margin, the greatest amount of spam we received was to addresses posted on the public Web.

    When an address has been posted on the public Web, it can potentially be viewed by hundreds of millions of users. People who develop spam lists exploit this feature by using address-harvesting programs to surf across thousands of web sites, collecting any e-mail addresses that they encounter. Most users have no idea that their addresses have been harvested until they begin receiving spam.
    2. The amount of spam received by an address posted on the public Web is directly related to the amount of traffic that Web site receives. The more visitors a Web site has in a given period of time, the greater the likelihood that an address-harvesting program used to send spam will scour it. As a result, addresses posted on high-traffic Web sites are likely to receive a greater amount of spam than address posted on smaller sites -- popular Web sites are more frequently "harvested," and addresses posted on those Web sites are added to a greater number of spam lists.

    3. E-mail addresses harvested from the public Web appear to have a relatively short "shelf life." When e-mail addresses we posted on the public Web were removed, there was a pronounced drop in the amount of spam they received each day. The change was not absolute -- on a given day, an address might receive a few spam messages even months after it had been removed from the public Web. But such spam was on the order of 2 or 3 messages per day, compared to the thirty or more messages received by addresses still on the public Web.

    4. Addresses posted in the headers of USENET messages can receive significant spam, though less than a posting on the public Web. Like most Web sites, USENET postings are publicly accessible and may be targeted by e-mail address-harvesting programs. When a user includes his or her address in the heading of a USENET message, that address can be harvested and used to send spam. Our preliminary data indicates that some USENET newsgroups are more frequently harvested for e-mail addresses than others.

    5. Obscuring an e-mail address is an effective way to avoid spam from harvesters on the Web or on USENET newsgroups. Even when posted in publicly accessible areas, none of the addresses we obscured -- whether in English ("example at domain dot com") or in HTML -- received a single piece of spam. Users who want to avoid spam should consider obscuring their addresses when possible.

    6. Sites that publish their policies and make choice available to users generally respected those policies. A major element of the CDT project was to submit e-mail addresses to a number of popular businesses and other organizations on the Web. Many of these sites had privacy policies describing how they handle e-mail addresses and other potentially sensitive pieces of information. While the terms of these policies varied, we found that almost all sites followed their policies. In addition, when consumers were offered choices about how their personal information would be handled, those choices were respected.

    7. Domain name registration does not seem to be a major source of spam. Despite the fact that the WHOIS database is publicly accessible, our project received just a single spam message to an address that was in WHOIS for six months. This leads us to believe that, at least for some people registering new domain names, listings in the WHOIS database may not be a major source of spam. However, because our project had a relatively short duration, we were not able to examine whether additional spam would be received as a domain name approached its renewal date.

    8. Even when an e-mail address has not been posted or shared in any way, it is still possible to receive spam through various "attacks" on a mail server. In our study, a "brute force" attack on the mail server generated a t

    1. Re:Mirror, of the conclusions... by Oliver+Defacszio · · Score: 2, Informative
      Domain name registration does not seem to be a major source of spam

      On this one, I call bullshit. My domain registrations are the only public displays of one e-mail address and that account gets between 10 and 30 spam messages daily. Since that happened, I have given that address up for dead and started using it as a catch-all shit account, but it all started with domain regs.

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  20. What would have helped... by ajs · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is a consumer document meant to tell folks how to stop getting as much spam.

    Useful insofar as it goes, but what would be much more helpful is an objective take on how spam gets to the end-system. It's very hard to generate this information. You can come up with the list of final-hop relays, but that's not as useful as you might think, since most of the really crappy spam software out there finds open relays dynamically and routes through them.

    Slightly smarter software is now making it out there that performs some simple testing to determine how / if a given relay of choice can reach other sites. So for example, AOL's recent blocking of Commcast customers will help them in the short term, but over time they'll find that spammers simply stop using those relays and start using the ones that can get through. As new relays pop up, they will be used... eventually you would have to simply stop accepting mail in order to correctly prevent spam.

    Like I say, it would have been useful to have the data on where spam is actually originating, but even without it, you can block spam with a very high degree of certainty based on the sender and relays with a much lower false positive (failure) rate than any of the bogus blacklist schemes out there. I'm about to add a module to SA to do just this, so stay tuned....

  21. I'm down to two a week now by AssFace · · Score: 4, Informative

    I was getting 500 spam a day. Hot damn, that is a lot. I have a bunch of URLs and I was promiscuous with my e-mail address(es). I had them up in newsgroups, message boards (even slashdot), I subscribed to crap, I bought things online, I registered at countless sites... and never with a condom. I have a paypal account, and I have registered at a few casinos (not to play, but to look for security holes - but that doesn't mean they don't still spam the hell out of me). And then my friends and I go through periods of signing each other up for things when we are asked to fill out forms - so it is hard to say how much of that has happened.

    The bulk of what I was getting was from the URLs that I have registered - those URLs were setup to forward all mail at that address that didn't have an actual e-mail address to my address. So I disabled that feature to some extent, and it dropped my daily spam count down to a little over 120 or so a day.

    So I then got curious and went through and "unsubscribed" from a bunch of them just to see what happened. My spam went down to about 30 a day. Hot damn, it worked.
    But then it came back up over time - not sure if the unsubscribing just got my name on other lists, or if it just grew over time.

    So I installed spamassassin, at the time 2.5 was in devel, so I used that. Various builds were better than others, and it got me down to about 1 or 2 spam that snuck through everyday.

    Since then I have installed 2.6 and haven't kept up with the development builds as often since the changelog wasn't... well, wasn't changing much over the time that I was watching it.

    I run it as the perl script, not the faster c daemon. I am on a shared server and scripts have to time out after 30 seconds of cpu time. So if the perl script is doing a lot of stuff, it gets killed, and the mail gets sent through.
    So that was the bulk of the spam I was getting - not that spamassassin mistagged it - but that it was dying and letting it through that way.

    So I went in and changed my settings. I disabled all of the blacklist checks (score RAZOR_CHECK 0 and score RAZOR2_CHECK 0). I raised the autolearning threshold to be higher so that it would do that less frequently. I have my good contacts on a whitelist. I made the required_hits spam score to be 3.5 instead of the default 5. I went in and made the 90% bayes score 3.5 and the 99% score to 4. I skipped the rbl checks and made the max attempts on anything that would try multiple times if there was any failure to be low (1-2).

    As a result, it rarely kills the process now unless the server is under a lot of load - and now I get about 1 or 2 spam in a week instead of in a day.

    I am a very big fan of spamassassin.

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  22. What gets me about all these dupes... by juuri · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... is that slashdot only posts 10-15 stories a day. Some days we see two or three dupes so maybe over time that averages out to a little less than a story a day.

    What I find impossible to believe is that out of all the submissions that enter into the possible queue these are the ones that stick out so well they end up getting posted. That almost 9% of the time we see the same article get put up.

    Think of it this way, if your department at your company, hell if your company, messed up 9% of the time what would happen to you? In the case of slashdot nothing happens because no one is accountable and anytime anything shoddy happens everyone clamors about with "it's rob's personal site!@#!@#!@ he can post whatever he wants!@#". Except that isn't the case anymore and hasn't been for years. This is a FOR-PROFIT site with readers who create the value, yet time and time again we are shown and told (Hi Michael!) how little we are valued or mean to the staff at slashdot. Answer me this Rob, do you care so little about your creation now? Where is your sense of pride?

    Unfortunately just departing is a hard thing to do because of the absolute power in the meme of "/.". It is a lot like CNN, you know the news sucks, you know it is biased, but it is always there so in a moment of weakness you give in.

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    1. Re:What gets me about all these dupes... by MyHair · · Score: 3, Funny

      This is a FOR-PROFIT site with readers who create the value,

      Yes, but I got them back: I don't read the ads and I only post uninformed CRAP! MUAHAHAHAHHAAAAAA!

  23. Mirror by inoffensif · · Score: 4, Informative
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    1. Re:Mirror by 1u3hr · · Score: 5, Funny
      Other mirrors:
    2. Re:Mirror by Kaz+Riprock · · Score: 2, Funny

      Mirror of my response to the first dupe.

      BTW, CN even recognized that he duped the article last time! Geez, is Memento running this website or what?

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  24. A Mummy SPAM and a Daddy SPAM by turgid · · Score: 4, Funny

    You see, there's a mummy spam and a daddy spam. When they love each other very much they, well, sort of, get together, you know, and they make a new spam.

  25. Re:well look what I found! by rhadamanthus · · Score: 3, Informative
    And she's hiring:


    http://www.hcdonline.com/jobs/DisplayJob.asp?ID=32 572


    Category: New Media


    Job Title: eMail ad designer


    Job Description: Need a techy or ad person who can jam out killer ads using front page for eMail campaigns. Easy gig for someone who knows how to write and cut and paste. Good op for freelance, college, or veteran Internet or Advertising guru


    Job Location: Los Angeles


    Phone Number: 323-871-2000x11


    Fax Number: 323-871-0625


    Email: yurontv@netglobalmarketing.com


    Enjoy!

    --rhad

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  26. Re:why not by vidarh · · Score: 4, Informative
    What makes you think that they use valid return addresses on their systems for their messages?

    The more common strategy is to either use a fake return address, or just choose a more or less random return e-mail address either belonging to someone else (an anti spammer, perhaps?) or that has been registered for the purpose at a free e-mail service.

    I used to be involved in running a fairly large free e-mail service, and our main spam problem was people using addresses from our system in the from field, not people spamming our user. When a spammer sends a few million messages to invalid AOL or Hotmail accounts and one of your addresses is in the From field, you sort of notice the bounce traffic....

    Making the spammers crawl invalid e-mail addresses can reduce the amount of spam to real recipients they manage to send, though, which is why there's quite a few spamtrap scripts out there that generate pages containing lots of e-mail addresses and links to other pages generated on the fly by the script.

  27. Re:why not by Phoenix · · Score: 4, Informative

    "Wouldn't that clog it up on their end with bounces? And maybe change the pages every few days with a new list, maybe there's a random email generator thing to come up with fake domains, like a password generator?"

    Yes it would, but there in lies the problem. Say for example you are on someISP.net as your internat provider. Some one else decides to start spamming through someISP.net (either by an open relay, spoofing or even by actually having an account there. Buhzillions of bouncebacks start swarming someISP.net's servers and BAM! You dont get that e-card from your mother on your birthday.

    The other problem is by having all those fake addresses. Let's say that spamboy sends out that proverbial "buhzillion" messages. That's all traffic that the backbones have to route. NOW since those e-mails are fake they have to bounce back...that's a "buhzillion" autogenerated nessages that the servers have to route again.

    Congrats, we've just doubled the spamload.
    Phoenix

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  28. Iraqi Information Minister Mohammed Saeed al-Sahha by phunhippy · · Score: 3, Funny

    Iraqi Information Minister Mohammed Saeed al-Sahhaf (aka Baghdad Bob). just hired by slashdot

    "THIS STORY IS NOT A DUPE! IT IS NOT A TRIPE! IT IS ORIGINAL AND YOU WILL READ IT YOU FILTHY INFIDELS!!!

    I am still alive!!

  29. Html encoding doesn't solve the problem by Tired_Blood · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This battle for email addresses will 'never' end. In order to use an email address, you need to publicize its existence. There lies the weakness that spammers exploit.

    Even the HTML encoding of addresses can not stand up to this exploitation. When scouring a website for addresses, everyone knows you look for all occurrances of '@' in the source. Encoding it with HTML merely substitutes one search character with the short string '&#064 ;'.

    Probably the best defense is to randomly insert undisplayed '@'s and '&#064 ;'s all over the place within a webpage. That way, there would be too many false positives for them to work out. People are lazy and won't bother with such garbage. The irony of this would be that spammers would need to use anti-anti spamming filters. Then we'd need anti-anti-anti filters, etc.

    Like I said, as long as addresses are advertised, this battle will 'never' end.

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    1. Re:Html encoding doesn't solve the problem by Tired_Blood · · Score: 2, Interesting
      do it as an image.

      I noticed that idea on an earlier post. It looks helpful, but I see three 'flaws':
      • It would be useless for text-only browsers.
      • Loss of 'send me email' automation.
      • The address is still being publicized.
      On the first point, one can argue that there are very few people visiting websites that use text-only browsers. That may be the case but, that logic can be extended to advocating HTML that works only for IE and screw the minority browser users - which is a rather unpopular view on /.

      On the second point, people misspell - often. And sometimes accounts are named rather oddly. The loss of automation functionality may be a big loss, depending on who's talking.

      On the last point, using an image still publicizes the address. It may be much harder to extract the embedded text, but easy/moderate image processing is capable of shape recognition. The use of images reminds me of one-way functions such as the one used in RSA encryption: it's way easy to generate a product while it's practically impossible to factor the product. In this case, it's way easy for the user to visually read while it's way hard for the computer to read. This also reminds me, you'd also exclude blind people.

      All this aside, I would like to mention that the use of images in this context is a VERY good idea for general use. If everyone were to create unique images for email addresses, then it would be impossible for spammers to grab addresses in an automated fashion.

      Again, it's a good idea but I'm lazy and, for now, the payoff isn't as great as just using the HTML encoding. Once that technique starts getting noticed, then I would look into the use of images.
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  30. Re:why not by testify · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Problem is, the spammer probably isn't getting bounce messages. They fake a reply-to or stick in someone else's address, so all the error messages go to /dev/null or some innocent person's mailbox.

    There are a bunch of scripts out there that will do what you are looking for. To wit:

    Sugarplum: SPAM poison

    Searches for stuff like "spam harvest poison script" should turn up more. There are also honeypots and tarpits designed to mire SPAMmers attempts to pump out spam by acting like an open relay, but sending back fake success messages with delays to slow down their progress.

    The thing that gets me is that SPAMmers know everyone hates them, and they do all this underhanded harvesting, address spoofing, attempts to get around filtering, etc. If they would simply put "ADV:" at the start of their message header, we could all set up filters and not get so annoyed. I know since my annoyance level has increased I report each and every SPAM I get via SpamCop, and cackle with delight when I see their websites shut down in short order.

  31. Millions of spam by Joe+the+Lesser · · Score: 4, Funny

    Spam comes in a can,
    It was put there by a man,
    In factory downtown.

    And if I had my little way,
    I'd get spammed every day!...

    --
    "I only speak the truth"
    Karma: null(Mostly affected by an unassigned variable)
  32. At my expense... by Kjella · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "By contrast, she said, '70 million people have bad credit. Guess what? Now I can't get mail through to them to help them.'"

    Tough luck. I pay for my Internet connection, you have no right to cost me money. Does telemarketers call collect? Does the postman demand cash for delivering me mail? No. Why the hell should I let you run a business at my expense?

    Kjella

    --
    Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
  33. I wondered the same thing by jeroen94704 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've been creating one-off email addresses for pretty much anything that requires an email address for almost a year now. At this moment, I have almost a hundred email addresses made specifically for anything ranging from Slashdot to job-sites to mailinglists. So far, the only addresses that generated any spam at all have been de one I used for Google Groups (well, DUH) and one that was published on a website in plain HTML. All the other ones, so far, have not generated a _single_ spam email. All in all, it seems like the companies and websites that require you to give them your email really do keep it confidential.

    --
    He who laughs last, thinks slowest.
  34. Effect of Spam by rodney+dill · · Score: 4, Funny

    Just remember, SPAM doesn't kill people

    People who get spammed, kill people.

    --

    Use your head, can't you, use your head,
    You're on earth, there's no cure for that
    - S. Beckett
  35. Re:harvesting the addresses from the webpage by olip · · Score: 2, Informative
    >>For further information, contact Ari Schwartz
    >>at the Center for Democracy & Technology,
    >>202-637-9800, ari@cdt.org.


    >hmm.. I'll be interested to know how
    >much spam that generates for him/her....

    First note that Ari is probably male... and then...
    RTFA !!
    Ari heavily insists on encoding your email adress in crude HTML ASCII codes which robots don't detect yet (matter of weeks I guess - I guess not everybody on slashdot is an angel, as everywhere) but are perfectly human readable. The guy actually used the method, so it looks
    on screen : ari@cdt.orgg
    view source :
    ari@cdt.o&#11 4;g

    please note I forged his address so that robots don't harvest it here on slashdot, which parent post ignorantly forgot to do ;-)

    O.
  36. Re:Obscured email addresses by sudotcsh · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Well, thinking about what you said, or what the article said:


    But none of the addresses that were obscured, whether in "human-readable" or "HTML-obscured" form,
    received a single piece of spam, leading us to conclude that e-mail address "harvesters" are not presently
    capable of collecting such addresses. While this may change as time passes and technology develops, for the
    time being it appears that obscuring an e-mail address is an effective means of avoiding spam.


    It's not that the harvesters can't figure out obscured email addresses. Searching for the @ sign isn't
    that much easier than searching for the HTML equivalent. I think the reason obscured addresses don't get
    spam is this:

    The spammers realize that anyone smart enough to obscure is someone who hates spam really bad.
    Obviously someone like that isn't going to be an easy sell, and may already be filtering for spam. What's
    the point in targeting that demographic? Waste of time.


    That is why you should obscure your addresses.

  37. The Spam Museum, of course. by vasqzr · · Score: 2, Interesting
  38. Pattern recognition by Theaetetus · · Score: 2, Insightful
    It seems to me the reason the obscured email addresses, e.g. normalforcekills at hotmail dot com, haven't been spammed is because a small portion of the internet savvy do this. For it isn't hard to modify a spider to grab these. Given time these spiders will start grabbing these addresses.

    Perhaps, perhaps not... The 'blah at blah dot com' is a real easy one to fix in a spider (at=@, dot=., you're done), but there are quite a few ways to do it that are either human-parseable only, or require a LOT of coding...
    F0r 15stanc3, rand0m numb3r/l3++3r r3p1ac3m3n+ ki115 dic+ionary program5.
    rO, er-ev-sr-e ve-re-y ap-ri fo el-tt-re-s (reverse every pair of letters... include human readable directions, and you're set)
    Some of the set ones we see on slashdot - bob@hotmailBOHR.com remove physicist, etc.

    Computers are great at quick calulations... but even untrained humans can do pattern recognition many millions of times faster and better (hence the reason face-recognition technology is so primative).

    -T

  39. Iraqi Information Minister on Double Posts by Torgo's+Pizza · · Score: 3, Funny
    "There never has been any double posting of articles on Slashdot!"

    TheInformationMinister.com Slashdot really needs to hire this guy. (Note: Opera seems to have a problem with the way the Flash on the site works, but Netscape or IE seem fine.) Worth seeing at least once.

  40. A tip for to find sellers... by jimius · · Score: 2, Insightful

    To find out which sites actually sell your mail adress, fill in the name of the site (or a name that is obvious enough to know on which site you filled it in) in the real name part of the form.
    When you get mail adressed to Mr./Ms. Real Player then you know who is doing what with your e-mail, so far i received quite some e-mail this way, apperantly the sites that actually state promises about not sellign addresses seem to be doing just the opposite. More so than sites which don't state promises.

  41. Re:Mysterious Future by CerebusUS · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Sometimes I wonder if the novelty has worn off for the admins and they just really don't care anymore. Sad, because some people would give their left foot for a chance to run the show.

    I'm now convinced this is the case. If Rob and crew don't even bother to read the headlines on their site, then maybe they should remove themselves from the day-to-day and focus on the backend. At one point in the distant past, Rob and Neal lent some personal flavor to slashdot, I'm not sure that's the case anymore.

  42. Re:From and Reply-To address forging by Nf1nk · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The problem with this is that sometimes the spammer will say the same thing. like "no I didn't send you the email about my amzing penis enlarging pills, but if you want to by them click here". It is just another level spammers will shrink to.
    Some of these guys think that saying this will protect them from the lawsuits they so richly deserve.

    Oh and it happend to me too.

    --
    I used to have a cool sig, back when I cared
  43. Short addresses by Mikey-San · · Score: 4, Funny

    * Short e-mail addresses are easy to guess, and may receive more spam.

    For further information, please contact Ari Schwartz at the Center for Democracy & Technology, 202-637-9800, ari@cdt.org.


    Did anyone else find that rather funny?

    --
    Mikey-San
    Karma: +Eleventy billion (mostly affected by watching Celebrity Jeopardy)
  44. Let's make spammers spam each other by DocSnyder · · Score: 4, Informative
    The vast majority of the spam we received -- over 97% of it -- was delivered to addresses that had been posted on the public Web.

    So let's beat them with their own weapons. Sugarplum is a WWW spambot poisoner feeding them with lots of email addresses which are faked, spam traps or addresses of known spammers and spamfriendly people - collected from spam emails or experience with spamfriendly ISPs. As a motivation, a lot of spamfriendly institutions don't see the problem "spam" as serious until they get a really high dosis of unwanted email per day.

    My Sugarplum installation gets scanned really often. At the moment, the French superspammer Artmarket is coming back almost every day, harvesting my Sugarplum site and dumping about 100 spams each time into my spam trap box. My ratio between spam trap and spammer is 1:50, so each time Artmarket will spam about 5000 spammers.

    Some German dialer operators who had a really big spam problem half a year ago are actually trying to hire people to fight against spam they are getting on their own - no wonder, their domains were about the first to be spambaited massively in Usenet newsgroups and on WWW sites. Some 419 scam gangs who spamvertise their email addresses have to change them about once a month, as they will get flooded with "counterspam", and what is worse, they rely on the availability of their email addresses to get replies from their victims - that's why they spam.

    1. Re:Let's make spammers spam each other by dwsauder · · Score: 2, Interesting
      You don't really need something like sugarplum. Even if you can't run CGI scripts, you can embed email addresses on your web page. Make the mailto: URLs white text on a white background to hide them. That's just one idea. If you want more ideas on how to hide information in HTML text, just look at a few spam messages. You can learn a lot from the techniques spammers use. (White on white is one such technique. Spammers use it to add text in the hopes of fooling spam filters.)

      It's really quite gratifying to know that you can turn spammers techniques back on them.

  45. Re:Advice for Taco... by user32.ExitWindowsEx · · Score: 2, Funny

    Dangit..."Increase your browser history size" - now that sounds like a piece of spam right there.

    I know I'll probably get modded to heck for this, but what the heck...

    --
    "Evil will always triumph because good is dumb." -- Dark Helmet
  46. Why is evil stronger? by Iowaguy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Ok, I am not a coder, so don't flame me much. I am just curious about something. People write programs that hunt through the entire web, parse the pages, and find email to record for spam. This does not seem easy to me. So, why are there not effective, agressive counter measures? It seems to me there is a vast and bright talent pool on slashdot. Why are there not programs that spam the spamers with email adresses or something like that? Take the fight to them. In the old west, there was no law until the people stopped helplessly looking around and saying why me? My two cents, -Iowa

    --
    "He who laughs last, didn't get the joke."-Cap
  47. My Mom's Low-Tech version of this study by Mark_in_Brazil · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Heh...

    Before the days when SPAM was a big problem, my Mom already didn't like getting physical "junk mail" through the USPS. She knew different organizations were selling and trading her address, but she decided to track it to see who was passing what info. She started using false middle initials when she subscribed to magazines, bought things from catalogs, etc.
    So when she subscribed to Cosmopolitan (I know, but it was the 70s and she's a woman. What can you do?), she used the name "June C Cleaver" (well, except that I've replaced my Mom's real name with "June Cleaver" here to protect Mom's privacy). When she subscribed to Games, it was "June G Cleaver," and so on.
    When she would call some magazine or other company to demand to know why they had sold her address to others, their denials were quickly slapped down when she revealed that "C" or "G" or whatever wasn't her real middle initial and she had used the fake initial to determine who was selling or passing her address to whom.
    My Mom rules.

    --Mark

    --
    "It is nice to know that the computer understands the problem. But I would like to understand it too." --Eugene Wigner
  48. Re:Mysterious Future by 1u3hr · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Sometimes I wonder if the novelty has worn off for the admins and they just really don't care anymore.

    Seems to be the case. Her's a reply to an email I sent Malda a few weeks ago:

    Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 11:11:32 -0500
    Subject: Re: Tarproxy story is a dupe
    From: Rob Malda

    Yup. Course its sunday, adn there's not much else to post, so I'm just
    saying whatever ;) CNN can post the same story 3 times. I don't see
    why we can't!

    On Sunday, March 2, 2003, at 11:01 AM, you wrote:

    >Dear Rob,
    >
    >as subject:
    >
    >TarProxy Creates Tar Pit... For Spammers
    >Posted by CmdrTaco on Sunday March 02,
    > http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/03/02/141525 7
    >
    >Using Statistics to Cause Spammers Pain
    >Posted by michael on Saturday March 01,
    > http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/0 2/28/2033230
  49. How I solved my spam problem by Luveno · · Score: 5, Informative
    • I registered my own domain.
    • I signed up for ZoneEdit DNS service that has transparent MX records for email (*@mydomain.com forwards to MyRealAddy@MyISP.com).
    • I use a new address for everything I do on the web (amazon@mydomain.com for Amazon.com, paypal@mydomain.com for Paypal, etc). They all get forwarded to me anyway.
    • When I get a spam problem, I make an entry at ZoneEdit to forward the spammed addy to the ether (this@wont.work). As a bonus, I can tell who leaked my addy.

    Works for me, anyhow.
    1. Re:How I solved my spam problem by TeddyR · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The problem with this method is that bulk spammers also send to all possible names@domain.com hoping to get a few through.

      I use a similar method, but without the wildcard address. I specifically add the address(s) to the forward list [yes, zoneedit also lets you do that]... Just be sure to be rfc compliant... {postmaster, abuse, etc to forward to your ISP box as well} :-)

      --

      --
      Time is on my side
  50. Re:Advice for Taco... by 1u3hr · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Purple linkies = BAD. Blue linkies = GOOD. ;-)

    except that the other articles were posted by Cowboy Neal and Michael, respectively.

    In any case, part of the problem is that in reading the submissions they will undoubtedly see the same story many times, so a link would show as visited if you'd scanned through a bunch of those, published or not. The same goes for just trusting your memory, there must be a serious deja-vu problm. But there's no fucking excuse at all for such unprofessionalism. Just type "spam" into the search box on the Slashdot front page and you see the earlier stories (along with both "AOL sues spammers" of a few days ago). More specifically, typing in "cdt.org" shows all three dupes at the top of the list.

    I can't think of any explanation except serious drug abuse in the workplace.

  51. How do spammers find open relays and open proxies? by minas-beede · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If you are concerned (angry, assigning blame, whatever) about spam through open relays and open proxies you might like to know how they find the systems to abuse. If you are concerned and know how they do it you could do something to make it harder for them.

  52. How is this Interesting? by jea6 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Good grief, moderator. It's not Interesting, it's Funny. RTFC.

    --

    sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.
  53. Anyone Have Stats on Spammers Own Email Habits by dsmoses · · Score: 2, Informative

    I think a much better, and more truth revealing, study would be to find out the statistics on the spammer's own email habits.

    Among others, some simple stats:

    * How many email accounts do they own
    * How much spammer do they receive per day
    * How much of it do they actually bother to read and not just immediately delete
    * How often do they use bogus email address when filling out forms

    But, more importantly:

    * What have they done to opt-out of receiving mail from lists
    * What filters/blocks do they implement and why when it is such a good legitimate business
    * What are their opinions on spammers vs. telemarketers

  54. What spam? by chrisatslashdot · · Score: 3, Informative

    Several years ago I set up a spam account, spamforchris@yahoo.com. Everytime that I register for a web site, register software, subscribe to a newsletter, etc, I use the spam account. And when I give a friend or family member my personal email adress, I ask that they do not include me in their chain-emails. I have had less than 20 spam messages in any of my real email accounts since college.

    Moral: If you are careless with your email adress, expect spam.

    --


    Simple people talk of people, better people talk of events, great people talk of ideas.
  55. Effective anti-spam software by thorrbjorn · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm using POPFile at home to filter mail to 4 POP accounts, one of which is flooded with as many as 100 pieces of spam per day (my Hotmail account, of course). It uses Bayesian filtering to learn what spam looks like, neatly handling the various tricks spammers use.

    So far, on more than ten thousand messages its been better than 99.8% effective.

    Of course, this isn't a solution, since I'm still paying something like $8 a month for the priviledge of receiving all this crap in the first place.

  56. Preventing dictionary attacks? by Cee · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Does anybody know of any good filters to block "dictionary" (brute force) attacks on an SMTP server?
    Could be on application level (like Postfix) or at firewall level. I guess there's a solution out there, but Googling didn't help me this time.

  57. Simple by QDogg · · Score: 2, Interesting

    DMCA regulates something that is strictly my own business, like do I watch my DVD under Windows or under Linux? If you send spam, you are making it a million people's business.

    I tend to talk to people I know on the phone and just check my e-mail once per week to see if anyone sent a message about my programs. Even if you are right, I have to sit for 14 minutes doing nothing except deciding which messages with "Hi, Oleg" subject to open. And I deleted quite a few legitimate messages because I didn't recognize the address.

    By the same token, if I went to sleep at 4am I won't want to have a chat with a telemarketer at 9. So I end up turning off my phone until I wake up and possibly missing calls from friends. And I don't want my physical mailbox to overflow just because I went on a one week trip during the holiday season. But spam is definitely the worst.

    Communication between people is good. I should be able to publish my postal address, my phone number and by e-mail on the web and invite people to contact me if they looked at my stuff and want to chat. Remember when shareware came with a README file with all kind of contact information to send $15? I actually got a few nice snail mail letters with checks.

    Spam has destroyed our ability for this kind of casual communication. People sending it or selling the products advertized make very little money compared to the value of our time or forced changes in our behaviour. It's time to stop them using technological, political or cultural methods, whatever works best.

  58. E-Cloaker for HTML-encoded addresses by aquarian · · Score: 2, Informative

    So according to the article, HTML-encoding the email addresses on your web pages can keep them from being harvested by spammers. E-Cloaker is a nice little free utility to do this for you.

  59. HTML encoding doesn't work! by sdhughes · · Score: 2, Informative

    Most address grabber tools do not write their own web browser/html interpreter. They simply link using IE's APIs, so anything IE can decode / unobfuscate, so can most email harvesters. The best solution is to not post email addresses on the web.

  60. Beat spambots harvesters with email GIFs by Speequinox · · Score: 2, Insightful

    When the spammers finally do teach their bots to recognize the increasingly common "myname at domain dot com" techniques or the masking tricks, we will still have another method of defense: dispensing with text for listing email addresses. We can avoid detection by posting the names in graphic form, inserting a GIF of the email inline with the rest of the page's text.

    If the spammers ever respond with OCR, we could hold them at bay (where practicable) with slightly distorted text in the gif, like what you see in the PayPal registration screen.