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Around The World In 1 Year (On A Website)
chrischoo writes "From the guys who brought you a crushing experience, Tsunamii.Net and Fragnetics are working on taking the Tsunamii.Net website around the world by obtaining webhosting services in 44 countries. Known as alpha 3.8 Translocation, it is commissioned by the Walker Arts Center. The website is now on it's second stop in Malaysia. Our teams need the help of the Slashdot community to plot a traceroute for each server we visit. Traceroutes are plotted onto a world map which is refreshed every time the website stops at a new server in a different geographical location. Our next stops include Thailand and Myanmar. It'll be great if we have more people willing to sponsor a webserver from your country to host one of the Tsunamii stopovers!"
1. Beowulf cluster - $900
2. Airline tickets with bulk baggage - $3000
3. Spending two nights in customs - just your dignity
4. Getting it all Slashdotted after all that - priceless
There are some things money can't buy.
For everything else, there's Mastercard.
A programmer is a machine for converting coffee into code.
This could just be the thing to stop the offshore outsourcing craze ...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/2977035.stm
Quote ...
"It appears to be contained, certainly in developed countries, by very good containment and monitoring practices.
"The concerns lie in the large populous regions of the world: China, India, Indonesia, where the disease reporting systems are limited and it is much less clear to work out what is going on there."
You mean... just like your standard warez site?
Somehow this doesn't excite me too much. I mean really, why would this be cool enough to be worth the effort?
But then, I never did understand why some people consider Open Source and art form.
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Are you an SF Fan? Are you a Tru-Fan?
that will be great bragging rights
(depending how you look at it)
I wonder how the performance of the system will change over time?
Its also interesting that the entire basis of the site is this idea and there is no other content.
Where does this system get you (other than the cultural ideas)? The ability to crash servers then move to the next?
www.lashen.com
that's how it's supposed to work.
most would be better off to find 1-2 web server providers who are dependable & value concious.
the 'around the world' part, we think, is when YOU/your products/services are findable from anywhere on the wwmap.
anecdotal hobbyist projects aside, the rest of the glowbull fairytail scammage we've been fed buy Godless ?pr? agents of those whoreabull payper liesense peddlers from upon the pacific crest annex of capitollist hill/wall street of deceit, is greed/fear based execrable.
lookout bullow.
Well, semi-on-topic, sort of... The e-mail from farthest away I have ever received was from - Antarctica! I got it from a colleague back in 1991 (or was it 1992?) who was on a research vessel visiting Antarctica. I had it printed in my drawer for years, as a collectible, and after few room switches and h/d-crashes all traces are lost... sigh
Welcom too Slashdot! You must be new aroond heer. The editing policiy, its that reederz must loose there grasp on greammar and joost enjoys the ride.
Proudly published by Americans, for the Americans' reading pleasure.
I would've guessed they at least put some CONTENT on the site worth travelling around the world... Oh well...as long as they don't fill it with SARS !!
They served loads of content which was politically or culturally sensitive in some way. The actual content of the website would change from country to country to reflect governmental regulations, or the sensitivities or responsibility of whoever was hosting the site at the time.
If I seem short sighted, it is because I stand on the shoulders of midgets
Tsunamii's map would be a lot prettier if they'd try to do some intelligent parsing of router dns entries. For example, they treat 24.91.0.46 as located in the "United States" when in fact its name places it in Massachusetts. (bar02-p7-0.ndhmhe1.ma.attbb.net) Given the relatively small number of providers who carry the bulk of international IP traffic, it should be easy for them to decypher the naming conventions used by ATT, Sprint, Verio, Teleglobe, Global Crossing, C&W, etc. to parse out state and city names so that traffic from the US doesn't look like it's all coming from Branson Missouri, and traffic from Canada coming from bumfuck Saskatchewan. (I mean, Saskatchewan is a nice place and all, but there aren't exactly a lot of people there)
Then plot that on a map, and see where the bulk of the /.'ing came from.
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No, really. Not trying to troll here, I'm curious what people hope to achieve with this.
If construction was anything like programming, an incorrectly fitted lock would bring down the entire building...
It is not that I am getting paranoid these days, I always have been paranoid.
This could be a bit off topic.
The whole point of this is a STUDY. That doesn't mean it has to have a purpose aside from educational.
I think this is a good idea. However it could lead to the government deciding that everyone was supposed to have a dedicated ip address. That way a simple traceroute could tell them where you were at any given time anywhere in the world. Much like credit card transactions can be tracked by number and location.
They are trying to do this with phone numbers. Although there are benefits to keeping the same phone number, it is alternatively an easy way to keep track of someone.
what happened to the icons for the story subject? has /. been hax0red?
GO OUTSIDE!!!!
Two words, The moon.
I want my webspace hosted off of the moon! Out of this world website speed! (and reliability!)
Posting with out proof reading since 2001.
as "fagnetics"?
I know I did. Does that mean I have homo tendencies?
Ummm so why don't these guys just backpack around the world, why do they require an excuse using a PC as elaborate as this?
What a pathetic waste of time shit idea.
Fuck em, and fuck you too.
Someone please tell me why this is a cool project, or even a good idea. I am just sitting here thinking about how stupid this is. I am certain that I am missing something, as slashdot would not post a useless / pointless article just to confuse me. Thanks.
bon scott ruled
For the next few days, you need new hosts every few minutes, as they and their connections buckle under the load...
why not use DNS LOC records to get better geographical locations of the browsers?
Are they serious about going to Myanmar with their website?
I've lived there for three years, 1993-1996. Myanmar is ruled by a repressive, brutal and notoriously paranoid military junta.
In a nutshell, "they no like internet".
Going in the country with a computer is theoretically not permitted. Using a fax machine or the internet to connect abroad is considered a crime. Nationals face jail for this (and strangers too, in theory, but that never happened I think) and, trust me, you positively DON'T WANT TO GO TO JAIL in Myanmar. (death is not the maximal sentence over there: it is only second to death... by torture)
Besides, I'm not sure you would/could actually be able to host a website there (hint: without the government's permission, it's probably "forget it"). A mere slashdotting could bring the whole country's internet system to its knees. Even the government's websites are hosted in other countries, mostly US and Australia. Only some of them are in Rangoon...
Well, maybe things have changed over there. But somehow, I doubt it.
Hello! I'm a disaster waiting to happen!
Maybe you should check your facts first. Saskatchewan is an emerging leader in several high-tech sectors. Consider the synchrotron and a thriving biotech sector as just a couple of examples. At least do a little search next time before you imply such negative stereotypes.
I don't know how it was done, but I went to that Mastercard link, and when I clicked "No, thanks" the web page it went to had one of my web passwords in the URL! I've changed that password now, but I don't know how it was gotten.
I'm running Phoenix 0.5 btw.
OH MY GOD! We've Slashdotted Luxembourg!
Skiers and Riders -- http://www.snowjournal.com
Last I checked (about a year ago) it was a big deal that they were letting some of the (state censored) news sites go online -- outside the country only, since as you say most people inside the country aren't allowed computers. The trouble was, since all the content had to be posted by the government to insure that no illicit information got out, when it went up at all it was a couple of months behind the print version.
Anyway, there is at least some web serving capacity in the country. Still, I agree with you -- I can't imagine how these guys arranged this, and I hope it didn't mean dealing with that regime.
If you read their concept a little more carefully, you would recognize that they are not bringing a computer or fax machine, or even a body into Myanmar, or any other country on their list. They are simply uploading the website to a webserver in each country, then updating the dns entry to the new IP address.
BTW how were you able to live there for 3 years without a computer? That my friend was self inflicted torture, can't blame the junta for that.
This really reminds me of that one scene where natalia punches in all that crap to traceroute to boris' computer in south america (you know, the one with the big satalite dish). it wasn't all that great of an effect, but it was a neat demonstration of technology anyways...
"Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is." G.W.Bush
I don't know if this exhibit was at the Walker the last time I was there...I'll have to check it out next time I have a weekend free. Something other than the cherry-on-the-spoon, at least. ^_^ Although, I don't seem to see any mention of this project on the Walker site listed in the article...does anyone know if there will be anything at the actual museum comemmorating this project? Or is it just for those of us "in the know"?
Looking at the traceroutes there remind me of something that I've wondered about for some time. Is there any point in trying to route some of the traffic between Europe and Asia more directly (i.e. avoiding the Americas)?
Even traffic from here in the UK to India goes via the States. Africa is the same.
Standard Internet BGP routing is asymmetric and location-dependent unless somebody tweaks it to do otherwise - the path followed by packets in one direction may be entirely different than the path followed by packets in the opposite direction. I took the traceroute provided by Tsunamii, and tracerouted to the different nodes on it to see what I could find. Depending on which node in Malaysia I traced to, the hop across the Pacific either went from UUNET in Sacramento, California, UUNET in Los Angeles, California, or Sprint in San Jose, California (if you're not from around here, Los Angeles is in the South and San Jose and Sacramento are in the north, and probably take a different set of cables across the Pacific.) It's somewhat frustrating that the Tsunamii mapping application draws those links going across the Atlantic, Europe, and Asia instead of the Pacific, just because it's fewer miles from the center of the US to Malaysia that way.
While there are ways to get to Telekom Malaysia that don't go through Sprint or UUNET, none of the US ISPs I tried used them - too many extra hops, even for the one that peered with Verio in the US (aka NTT), though I didn't try from anywhere that had Genuity that didn't also have UUNET.
Bill Stewart
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I did an interview - with a friend who works in Yangon,who started an art center there. When the project first started, he said it was impossible to use internet and an e-mail account cost 150US$. But he just came back and said it has changed... they are allowing internet surfing (of course a luxury for corporates) but even bangan.net.mm is probably owned by the government.
"Myanmar has one of the high literacy as a country. Bookshops are extrememly popular. - And also schools set up to teach web-design - but no internet access yet". - a quip from the interview on Myanamr internet experience, from alpha 3.8 archive.
I'm not sure why you got modded Informative. Brandon isn't even in the north half of Manitoba, so it can't be the geographic center of Canada.
Saskboy's blog is good. 9 out of 10 dentists agree.
SEEMS like this is totally possible! * Bridging the Interplanetary DIGITAL DIVIDE! Someone did say they wanted to host their site on the moon. The Interplanetary Internet from the building-for-the-future dept. posted by Hemos on Monday May 05, @10:16 (internet) http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/05/05/112722 1