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SARS and the Internet

AndroidCat writes "In this story scientists who cracked SARS' genetic code credit the Internet as a key: 'The Internet has had a profound impact on how this data has been shared and how scientists have collaborated.' The Internet has also been useful in containing the outbreak by facilitating online discussion by ER doctors. Not mentioned in the stories is that Toronto researchers who were in quarantine were able to stay in touch. Slashdot has also covered Distributed Computing Attacking SARS. Go Internet!"

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  1. SARS by ergonal · · Score: 5, Funny

    Speaking of SARS, check this out.

    1. Re:SARS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny
  2. See, the Internet is good for something by flynt · · Score: 4, Informative

    I often here friends and collegues disgusted by the Internet, or simply bored by it. There's nothing to do on it they claim except play some games, check a few popular web sites, instant message, etc. I always claim to them that the Internet still finds a tremendous use in the research community, stories like this confirm my findings. The Internet is only as limited as your imagination I guess. If you have an interest in anything academic, the Internet can certainly help you stray abreast of the major topics and discussions in a timely matter.

    1. Re:See, the Internet is good for something by Black+Copter+Control · · Score: 4, Interesting
      I always claim to them that the Internet still finds a tremendous use in the research community, stories like this confirm my findings.

      This is where the 'net was originally useful. Things like (cyber) virus transmissions, playing games and selling stuff were add-ons. Ain't nothing wrong with commercial uses of the internet -- It's just a misunderstanding for new users that (mostly unimaginative) commercial use was anything close to it's original intent.

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    2. Re:See, the Internet is good for something by arvindn · · Score: 3, Interesting
      In a way, little has changed.

      Originally (say before the www), only geeks/researchers/academics used the internet. Finding information was hard, but what was there was good. You needn't have had to worry about worms, spam, trolls, keeping down the noise etc. Today, everyone uses the internet. There's a helluva lot more information online than was 10 years ago, but it is buried in commercial noise. So, it is still largely the geeks/researchers for whom the internet is a life-changing and profession-changing thing. For the rest of the world, it is mostly an entertainment and advertisement medium.

    3. Re:See, the Internet is good for something by dj28 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, academic research wasn't anything close to its original intent either. It was originally designed to be a survivable network for the US government in the event of a nuclear attack from the Soviet Union. Academic use of the internet was an add-on.

    4. Re:See, the Internet is good for something by Cthefuture · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Meh, they have no idea. The Internet is an extremely useful source of information. Any time I need to know something, I just head to the 'Net.

      Here are some examples of what I've used the Internet for (besides all the programming and normal computer junk I do):

      - I wanted to know how to make those hollow egg shell decorations for Easter. Looked it up on the 'Net.

      - Someone asked me if I knew how to spell chlamydia (I could hardly guess how to spell it; thanks Google) and if it was a bacterial infection. Looked it up on the 'Net.

      - I needed the blue book value of several cars I was helping a friend look for. Head to the 'Net.

      - I needed some tax forms from the IRS and my state. They're all on the 'Net.

      - Tons of DMV stuff can be done on the 'Net. license renewalls have never been so quick and easy.

      - I needed some hummingbird pictures for a nephew who is learning to paint and needed some color samples.

      - I do almost all my shopping online (especially for gifts). No more travelling 20 miles to find they don't even stock what I was looking for.

      - I got a weird engine check code on my car and needed to know how to fix it. Online forums are great.

      - I got more information on the Pony Express Rally that I plan on competing in next year.

      - I wanted to set up an official sized vollyball court in my backyard and got the dimensions on the 'Net.

      And that's just in the past few days/weeks. I could go on and on.

      I find the 'Net invaluable.

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    5. Re:See, the Internet is good for something by Peterus7 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      However, as we've seen on Slashdot, people still take time to carefully think their replies, rather kneejerk flaming, right? :^P

      Flame from a few weeks ago.

      You can go fuck yourself too. Want evidence for that? You're a prick. There, that's your evidence.

      It still happens. There are some idiots here on slashdot, and despite best efforts to exterminate them with a flame thrower, they keep on popping up. We hope to eradicate them by modding them down and such, but they are very immature. Our hopes are that they will go back to their room in their mom's house and play Mario Sunshine or Yu Gi Oh instead of wasting our time.

      Wow, I just flamed flamers. I feel dirty.

      Problem is usually nobody sees them because they post anonymously and are under most people's threshhold, so moderators don't see it and therefore don't mod them down.

      I think someone should be given a bunch of mod points, then sent every day to type in all the insults into the search and look through all the comments to see which ones are flames, and mod em down.

      Although you couldn't pay me enough.

  3. Dan Quayle by Chris_Stankowitz · · Score: 2, Funny

    Does this mean Dan Quayle will get credit for it?

  4. Was it like this back in the day? by Call+Me+Black+Cloud · · Score: 4, Interesting


    When the telephone first came into widespread use did newspapers write articles about how the phone helped this or facilitated that?

    What I'm really asking is why is this news? The Internet, designed for communication, has helped people communicate. I don't see this as a huge breakthrough.

    1. Re:Was it like this back in the day? by (trb001) · · Score: 2, Insightful

      For the same reason that people backpat each other about television...a great number of people say there's nothing but trash on television, but when an event like 9/11 occurs and television is the only outlet for information because all the freakin phones are tied up, people suddenly realize that there is a reason, other than watching Survivor, for having a television.

      A great many of our 'innovations' come from entertainment sources...optics, radio, computing, to name a few. You don't, on a daily basis, hear people extolling the virtues of entertainment devices, but every once in awhile we remember that there ARE non-recreational uses for them.

      --trb

  5. SARS and distributed computing by Musashi+Miyamoto · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It is a shame that though a large number of the Internet community will altruistically join the fight against SARS, voluteering thier computer's processing power and the electricity used to keep it running, while the likely (pecuniary) beneficiary will be a giant biotechnology firm, which will quickly patent any findings that are uncovered by the distributed computing program.

    Since you volunteer your computer, I would bet that this fact does not need to be stated in any EULA.

    1. Re:SARS and distributed computing by TopShelf · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Where's the shame in that? The fact is that these firms are working hard to provide therapies that could only be dreamt of years ago - they should be rewarded, along with the shareholders that provide the resources to make it happen. Are the altruistic volunteers getting taken advantage of in any way? Not that I see - all that happens in your scenario is that a solution gets developed, lives are saved, and a firm gets financially rewarded for doing so. That is a good thing.

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    2. Re:SARS and distributed computing by Musashi+Miyamoto · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What you are describing is different from what is (likely) occuring. The firm is not doing research, but allowing others to unknowingly provide them with computational power to brute-force a solution.

      The persons volunteering for this program are doing so in the belief that their efforts will help in saving the lives of those infected or those that might be infected with the disease. HOWEVER, what they will wind up doing is helping only those who can afford the medications that are created (under a patent-enforced monopoly), or those who live under a government that can afford the medications for them.

      Many of those in capitalistic societies without socialized medicine or insurance, like 30 million in the United states will not be able to afford this medication.

      However, if the findings from the program were immediately given to the public domain, I would be more in agreement with the ethics.

      Though, I do not agree that being rewarded financially from free-market sales of medicines is a good thing. The poor are not less human or less deserving of good health than the rich. They deserve to live healthily. Though you may not agree, I believe it is the duty of a society to provide for the healthcare of all those in that society.

    3. Re:SARS and distributed computing by the+gnat · · Score: 2, Informative

      There are two separate responses to this:

      1. The distributed computing project attacking SARS is a giant hand-waving exercise. The technique it uses is simply molecular docking, which has been studied for years but hasn't been truly proved as a successful method to drug design. The people I know who use this sort of tool admit that right now the methods aren't very sensitive - the hope is that they'll at least be able to reduce the (vast) number of false positives that make it into experimental screening.

      At any rate, the force fields used are still pretty theoretical. The problem with this project is that they're using a homologous viral protein (the site says "50-60% identity") because we obviously don't know the structures of the SARS proteins. The idea is that the active site is still well conserved, and that inhibitors should be analogous. Unfortunately, it's well known that molecules which appear to have pefect fits may still have poor binding kinetics or efficacy - they may not even make it to the target protein in vivo. So they're adding an approximation of structure on top of an already approximate technique.

      If people are serious about doing computational drug design targeting this virus, they'd be better off determining the crystal structure of the proteins first, and improving the virtual library screening.

      2. Ignoring (1), who cares if it's some big biotech who gets the results? Who the fuck else has the time, resources, and money to screen target compounds, mass-produce the drug, and get it past FDA review? The last I heard, D2OL was working with millions of candidate compounds. Assuming it works at all, the best it can do is narrow the field down to many thousands. Experimentally validating these compounds is something that virtually no public/academic labs could handle. Academicians are great at doing basic research, not this type of investigation.

    4. Re:SARS and distributed computing by Musashi+Miyamoto · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Find someone who will spend a billion dollars trying to find a cure for some disease without the possiblity to get any of that billion back. If the US government funded healthcare entirely, there would be a point.

      Exactly my point.

      With a free market system, the main drugs being researched are those that rich white men want. How many male potency, hair growth, depression, non-drowsy antihistamine drugs do we need?

      I'm not trying to imply that any of those drugs are bad, but that the free-market causes those to come first. The free market ALSO causes pharmaceutical companies to spend 60% of their budgets on marketing, while never requiring them to prove that their drugs are any better than the existing public-domain ones. All the FDA requires is proof that the drug works to some degree and that it is safe. If asprin is more effective than your drug, it does not matter.

      Most egregious is that the free market causes drug companies to stress treatment of diseases rather than cures. Why cure a disease entirely when you can get repeat sales for your treatment for the remainder of the patient's life?

    5. Re:SARS and distributed computing by freestyle-fiend · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why should I charitably help one company research towards a cure rather than another? Why not have a non-profit organisation to provide the 'Intellectual Property' resulting from distributed computing for free. If this is not practical, then the findings could be patented by an exhaustive corporate consortium (open to any company which decided to participate) or a non-profit organisation.

    6. Re:SARS and distributed computing by not+Mr.T · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't know if I am quite that cynical. In this case, two labs a sharing the coronavirus mapping freely so that peer review can take place. Companies that want to make a quick buck aren't so quick to share. What strikes me as a bit odd is why they would bother when other researchers are only able to identify the presence of coronavirus in 40% of SARS patients. Admittedly, this might be because the virus doesn't hold up well in the lab, making it difficult to identify even when present. But it's got a bad smell about it.

  6. Reminds me of an old Wired Issue... by Shoten · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They did a special issue back in the '90s, which was essentially a theoretical copy of Wired from about 20-ish years in the future. At any rate, one of the stories was about how mankind was almost wiped out by this horrific plague...which originated in China, interestingly enough...and the massive social change that resulted from it. There were two keys to developing a cure, in the story, one of them being that we'd cracked the human genome, which gave us an edge on understanding the virus' interaction with our DNA. The other key was the internet, because it allowed the remaining surviving researchers to collaboarate without physical proximity or risk of contagion. You see, most of the medical research community had been wiped out when they gathered for an emergency global conference...the disease was horrifically contagious. I wish I still had a copy of that issue, it was amazing.

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  7. 2001... by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 3, Funny
    Am I the only one who, when seeing a headline with SARS in it, automatically pictures an astronaut floating in space over a large monolith saying, "Oh my god, its full of SARS!"

    Yep. Figured I was alone.

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  8. Hong Kong by yehim1 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Let me report the situation in Hong Kong. Perhaps this is the first regional economic hub to be affected, and well, it got hit pretty hard.

    The tourism industry is down by 70%, restaurants, bars and popular entertainment spots, well, empty as people are staying at home.

    However, there are industries that are surfing tidal waves that's sweeping the economy; and Internet has been one of them.

    I just called the sales manager of our service provider, and business has never been so good in years! This is due to companies that's cancelling their business trips and meetings, conferences, etc has to be done online. Phones have been ringing non-stop, with queries from companies to speed up and upgrade their internet access. I guess that's the break that all these internet companies have been waiting for!!!

    People suspected of contracting SARS are quarantined for 10 days; but communicate with their families via videophone donated by the telecommunication companies and the government.

    Technology has never found better use, and importance!

    Also enjoying boom are, the facemask industry, the herbal medicine industry (chinese herbs which are slow stock for a few years have been wiped out by hungry consumers), television industry, and, the food snack (instant noodles, etc).

    Perhaps this is the break that this fast-paced region needs: some time to rest, breathe easy for a while. It isn't long before the pace picks up again and everything resumes to normal!

    HKSAR territory resident, SARS-free for 5 weeks...

  9. Internet and BC Outbreak by Abcd1234 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually, in BC, the Internet served an incredibly important role.

    In Canada, one of the most remarkable things about the SARS outbreak (at least, IMHO) is that Vancouver, which is Canada's gateway to the pacific region, saw a relatively small SARS outbreak, as compared to Toronto, or many asian countries. This despite the fact that many infected travellers either passed through their airports, or actually disembarked there.

    Recently, this fact was discussed in a piece on the CBC. In response, the BC health officials said they had been aware that something was coming down the pipe for some time now. This was possible, in part, because the Internet allowed for quick distribution of information regarding the mysterious disease outbreak in China. Many websites had been warning for months that there appeared to be a mysterious "atypical pneumonia" in existence, and that health officials in other countries should be on their toes. As a result, the BC health ministry requested that all hospitals immediately quarantine any patients who exhibited signs of atypical pneumonia.

    This experience contrasts with what occured in Toronto, where the first SARS patient was admitted to a hospital, and, because the doctors there had no inkling about this upcoming disease, placed the patient in a room with two other patients, who also developed SARS. And thus began the outbreak in Toronto which, while in the end was handled quite well, still presented a serious challenge, as they simply weren't prepared for it.

    So, in the end, BC fared very well. Why? Because the health officials there kept their ears to the ground. And they were able to do this, in part, because the Internet allowed them to gain and share information amongst one another quickly and easily.

    1. Re:Internet and BC Outbreak by Greedo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      So what's BC's excuse for not sharing that information with Toronto?

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    2. Re:Internet and BC Outbreak by Abcd1234 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Err, why would BC think they had to? They're separate health ministries, and it's up to Toronto to keep themselves informed. I'm sure if the BC health ministry knew Toronto was in the dark, they would have warned them, but they were privy to the same information. The difference is that BC heeded the various warnings that were coming out of Asia, whereas Toronto either didn't notice or didn't heed those warnings.

      Keep in mind, the other major factor to BC's relative success in the SARS outbreak was it's response. They chose to be highly proactive about any potential outbreaks. They ensured that doctors were warned ahead of time, and dictated a strict policy for how to handle potential cases (immediate quarantine). The Ontario health ministry didn't take these measures. Why, I don't know. Maybe they didn't know what was going on. Maybe they just didn't take it seriously enough. Either way, Ontario's initial failure was their own responsibility. Hopefully they've learned a lesson from all of this.

    3. Re:Internet and BC Outbreak by Abcd1234 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yup, I know. :) I probably should have mentioned that in my post. Of course, the reason this didn't exist in the first place is due to the historical autonomy of the provinces in Canada. Unlike the United States, provinces in Canada are given a great deal of license to govern the people in their jurisdictions (much greater than states in the US). In particular, health care has always been an area where the provinces have traditionally had a great deal of autonomy. But, with the SARS outbreak, it's become clear that there needs to be some sort of federal body to handle national health care situations and to coordinate the actions of the various health ministries.

      Of course, IMHO, this has been a long time coming, and just needed a nation-wide medical incident like this to set things in motion. After all, Canada is a nation, and the feds can play a valuable and important role in facilitating cooperation between the provinces so we can better react to similar outbreaks in the future.

  10. Cure for Cancer by Ristoril · · Score: 5, Funny

    If only we could harness the true power of the Internet, and somehow embed distributed computing clients into pr0n. Cure for cancer in 10 minutes.

  11. Internet good in another way too by elliotj · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One of the major problems facing us with regard to pandemics thesedays is air travel. In the past, SARS would not have spread directly from Hong Kong to Toronto for example.

    The Internet also provides help in this area by making it less necessary to make physical trips to do business or keep in touch with friends and family.

    One of the recent trends in Business Continuity Planning for example is considering the idea of a the virtual workplace as a hot site. How useful is a physical backup location if your workers can't sit in the same room together for medical reasons? For this reason, I suspect the Internet will continue to play an increasingly important role in emergency management.

  12. Re:Is there a cure yet? by ergo98 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I live in Malaysia, which is relatively safe from SARS

    I wouldn't really proclaim that it's "relatively safe from SARS" : All it takes it one infected person. Toronto (I am sitting in a building beside First Canadian Place in downtown Toronto right now...ground zero, if you will, of the Canadian epidemic) has suffered billions of dollars of economic damage, and some 23 deaths, because one sneezing person came home from a visit to Hong Kong. No one is safe from SARS, and the reality is that after we've got the vectors from the first person (which has largely been heroic health care staff who deserve tremendous respect), it's only a plane ride away from the next guy, and then it's all started again. For those who thought this was just a disease the elderly should worry about (as a hilarious Daily Show humored "If you're 80 with respiratory illness, you should make your peace with God before you go around licking doorknobs"), note that here in Toronto we've had a 39 and a 44 year old, both with no other reported medical conditions, die from SARS.

    BTW: For those who think asking some questions at the airport, or doing thermal scans, are protection, realize that while they're better than nothing, they really are more of an illusion of safety than a true protection: They depend upon a person to be in a very specific state of the disease to be evident, but it's still extremely likely to get by in prior or latter stages, at which point it starts all over again. Why Toronto got hit hard while other cities didn't is largely a result of blind (bad) luck than anything else.

    Thankfully the virus suspected, the coronavirus, they have had some success making vaccines for (unlike most other virses), so there is hope against this disease that is currently causing about a 6-7% death rate, and some claim that a vaccine is right around the corner. That'll hold us over until the next disease filters out of the "intensive livestock" of the provinces of China which has been quite effective at incompetently exporting weapons of mass destruction.

  13. Free trip to Toronto by luugi · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I don't know about you guys but since the SARS scare, I've been checking out for deals to go to Toronto. Some people might say I'm crazy, but hey! Check this out: Free Trip to T.O.

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    1. Re:Free trip to Toronto by PunchMonkey · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You're not crazy, I live in Toronto, don't know anyone with SARS. I don't even know anyone who knows anyone who has SARS. Everyone at the office howls with laughter when we get an e-mail from overseas asking if we're ok and how the situation is.

      Find any great deals, go for them! You've got nothing to worry about.

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    2. Re:Free trip to Toronto by digidave · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yes, but a few weeks ago when there was a threat of SARS moving into the community, it was a real treat to be able to simply cough to get a seat on the train.

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    3. Re:Free trip to Toronto by Elwood+P+Dowd · · Score: 2, Funny

      I do not appreciate this flip tone while discussing such a serious problem.

      I live in Toronto, and I died of SARS. Have some fucking respect.

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  14. The good and the bad by upstateguy · · Score: 5, Informative

    As someone in public health, I can see both sides of the story.

    Certainly, being able to share information quickly with others is useful. My scientific collaborations are (literally) all over the globe whereas 10 years ago I was lucky to be able to collaborate with labs within a few hundred miles.

    But science works best by putting forth hypotheses, testing them, and eliminating the false ones. A downside of the net is that these hypotheses get spread as facts, are then amplified by the media, and then the truth gets ignored since a negative finding doesn't seem newsworthy as the original sensation.

    SARS is bad, but it luckly hasn't been that bad so far in US (no deaths...*yet*). And I think undeserving of the sheer amount of attention it has received. But sexy new killer diseases always trump real boring old threats to your well being. SARS even managed to trump an otherwise other guaranteed reporting of the recent outbreak of Ebola in Africa. Let alone the much bigger but mundane killer of influenza (flu).

    And in the age of HIPAA, you have to extrememly careful about what and how you share any kind of patient information (check out the forms the next visit to your physician or pharmacy). You cannot compromise patient confidentiality but it happens, due to ignorance or lazyiness, far too often.

  15. argh by bryanthompson · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Are you saying in your post that you'd rather they didn't do this research?

    keep trolling with your leftist agenda. it's sad that a post like that passes for insightful or interesting. The fact is, this is a good thing. I'm sure if you spent the time creating what they're doing, you'd want something in return.

    This helps everyone. From people in toronto to china to the US. Finding a cure for sars will restore confidence in travel and economies. I know toronto in particular has had a bad hit from the bad publicity.

    Anti-establishment, anti-capitalism types push this off as a bad thing that only helps corporations. Clearly they haven't though it thorugh, or they're just living in lala land.

  16. Not all good by GraZZ · · Score: 3, Funny

    The Internet also produces funky websites about SARS like this.

    I laughed my ass off when I stumbled across this by accident.

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  18. SARS genome free at Science magazine by MonkeyBoyo · · Score: 3, Informative

    Science magazine decided to give free access to its reports on the sequenced genome of SARS. Rather enlightened of them.

  19. O Canada! by lhand · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...story scientists who cracked SARS' genetic code...

    Good thing they did this in Canada; here in the U.S. they'd be arrested for DMCA violations!

  20. Open communication saves lives by Tiger+Smile · · Score: 3, Insightful


    While I get the distinct feeling that governments fear free and unmolested communications, and to a lesser extent corperations, they must also realize it's importance.

    In the United States of America, durring it's forming, we included free and open communication as part of the supreem law of the land. Nothing can trump it.

    By voicing ideas, by communicating there is no problem that cannot be solved. Sure a good right can also be used by a bad person to some evil ends. That happens. But that is a price of this freedom.

    Still the benefits always out weigh any problems.

    Help keep alive the right of free and open communication, the right of the people to gather peaceably assemble(online or in person). If you don't have this right where you live. I firmly believe you should have it. Do what you can to insure you keep or gain this right.

    Know you rights...

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  21. False Statistics, Media Statistics... by grimani · · Score: 3, Informative

    In this day and age, it is foolish to assume journalistic due diligence.

    Don't base your numbers on things you've heard (no deaths in U.S.), or reported in the media (Singapore is in dire conditions).

    Get numbers from the source: WHO

    The U.S. has 2 confirmed deaths and 54 total cases.

    Singapore has had 0 new cases for quite some time now. There has been, however, a local chain of transmission (hence the SARS affected designation).

  22. Re:Is there a cure yet? by ergo98 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The entire reason for the Toronto case was inept health care workers that were not on the lookout for these symptoms

    Yes, because every single health care worker in Ontario is inept, and every single health care worker in BC is brilliant and informed. BULLSHIT, and it points a giant flashlight on your naevity. Both system of health care workers have access and knowledge of the same information (Ontario's government put out the same alert as BC), but BC got LUCKY (yes, LUCKY) because the front-line worker who got the first case happened to be one rare individual who kept up on the updates, while Toronto got unlucky that the front-line worker there didn't. I assure you, and I'll say this with certainty, that both locals probably have the same ratio of people who follow the medical listservs and those who don't. Don't buy into the politicizing BS lines from those who want to use a situation for their political advantage.

    Sure there have been some "younger" people die from SARS in Toronto but most are very old.

    Did I say otherwise? There have been a 39 and a 44 year old healthy males dying. The doctor who first alerted the West was in perfect shape and died at 44 in Hong Kong. There are very few illnesses that do that in a 10 day period (and they are among the world's most feared).

    A nurse travelled on a commuter train from Toronto to Burlington and back WITHOUT INFECTING ANYBODY.

    Thanks for the lesson, Sherlock. The funny thing is that I take that GO train. The nurse in question didn't talk or sneeze during the entire ride, which was likely the saving grace. In Hong Kong whole apartment complexes, or a large percentage thereof, have come down with it just by going by each other in common areas, and you're pretending they have to French kiss each other to get it.

    If you are not around a hospital with an infected person, you have no chance of contacting the virus.

    Did you miss the whole point of my message? A individual in Malaysia claimed that they were "safe" from SARS in Malaysia : No they aren't. It's one guy who thinks he has a cold and is too manly to see his doctor that could cause a major outbreak. We have it contained in Canada due to extraordinary measures of health care workers (despite the know-it-all armchair criticism of assholes like you, or politicians trying to score some point by stabbing them in the back), but it takes just one more guy flying in, and one more bit of bad luck. This holds true for the entire world, btw, not just Canada. As a Canadian I'm under little increased risk than a guy in Phoenix or New Zealand : Unless you shut down global travel...

    Stop the sensationalism.

    Oh, gee, I'm sorry. 6% death rate. 23 dead in Toronto alone (ignore the indirect death rate, which is those that are going to die because of deferred treatment due to a devastated health care system). SARS is very likely to take hold in third world nations that can't effectively contain it, and it may very well become a part of life. Sticking your head in the sand and proclaiming that it's no biggie.

  23. Re:This disease is blown way out of proportion. by darkmeridian · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Right now, the response to SARS can be considered to be disproportionate. However, SARS seems to have been a recent member of human-infecting virii and may refine its infectiousness through rapid mutation/evolution. Stopping it now can save many lives later on.

    Just imagine if the first hundred people with AIDS were quarantined. How many lives would that have saved?

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  24. Re:This disease is blown way out of proportion. by hackstraw · · Score: 3, Informative
    Irresponsible and sensational journalism makes people panic for nothing.

    Shamelessly taken from http://bowlingforcolumbine.com/library/fear/index. php

    We compound our worries beyond all reason. Life expectancy in the United States has doubled during the twentieth century. We are better able to cure and control diseases than any other civilization in history. Yet we hear that phenomenal numbers of us are dreadfully ill. In 1996 Bob Garfield, a magazine writer, reviewed articles about serious diseases published over the course of a year in the Washington Post, the New York Times, and USA Today. He learned that, in addition to 59 million Americans with heart disease, 53 million with migraines, 25 million with osteoporosis, 16 million with obesity, and 3 million with cancer, many Americans suffer from more obscure ailments such as temporomandibular joint disorders (10 million) and brain injuries (2 million). Adding up the estimates, Garfield determined that 543 million Americans are seriously sick-a shocking number in a nation of 266 million inhabitants. "Either as a society we are doomed, or someone is seriously double-dipping," he suggested.


    The press (and the people that pay attention to it) like to sensationalize things about 1) disease 2) man against man "crimes" 3) weather/natural disasters. When in actuality your much more likely to die from any number of other accidents than being a "victem" of these headline incidents.
  25. Internet Thwarted Chinese Coverup of SARS by reporter · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The epidemic of sudden acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) highlights a key characteristic of Chinese culture. If you have a problem, do not discuss it. If you have a serious problem, aggressively hide it. This Chinese attempt to cover up an epidemic has caused it to spread to all corners of the world.

    Western technology has successfully fought the Chinese cover up. The Internet and the blinding speed with which it transmits information has effectively thwarted all attempts by the Chinese to cover up their problem. In fact, here is a sampling of the information about SARS that is readily available from the Internet.

    1. "How the 'global village' faced SARS"

    2. "Experts Expect SARS to Continue Spreading"

    3. "More SARS Cases Are Reported; Virus Found to Persist in Patients"

    4. "China and SARS"

    15 years ago, if an epidemic like SARS had erupted, I would have had a much harder time in finding information describing its origin and its symptoms. Now, thanks to the Internet, I know that the Chinese in Southern China "helped" to develop this disease by sleeping with farm animals. The virus crossed the species barrier from, probably, a pig into humans. The Chinese then covered up the problem and, thus, helped to spread it to the rest of the world. According to the latest reports, the SARS virus will now become a permanent part of this world.

  26. Bullshit! by devphil · · Score: 2, Interesting


    Isn't this tired myth dead yet?

    Fuck, I just debunked it less than two weeks ago. Guess you're one of the millions who don't browse at +3. :-)

    It was all about research. Not necessarily acedemic, but research.

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    You cannot apply a technological solution to a sociological problem. (Edwards' Law)
  27. Re:This disease is blown way out of proportion. by AndroidCat · · Score: 2, Insightful
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    One line blog. I hear that they're called Twitters now.
  28. the computers greatest use... by zors · · Score: 2

    is as a communication tool. Thats why in the past 50 years we have invented more than at any other time in history. as the world becomes networked, it becomes easier to work together. problems on one side of the world are connected with resources on the other side.

  29. Uh Oh by senorsangre · · Score: 2, Funny

    SARS and the internet?!?! I'd better update my virus protection.