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Lucas Returning to Digital Animation

deadwood writes "It seems Lucas is creating a Digital Animation studio as a subsidiary of ILM, according to this Yahoo! article.
Lucasfilm Animation is created roughly 17 years after George Lucas sold Pixar to Steve Jobs. I wonder if Episode VII-IX would be a good choice as first projects?"

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  1. let me answer that for you by EpsCylonB · · Score: 5, Funny

    I wonder if Episode VII-IX would be a good choice as first projects?

    Let me answer that for you... No.

  2. Text of Article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Director Lucas Forms Digital Animation Unit
    Mon May 12, 6:21 PM ET

    LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Following the path of Pixar Animation Studios, Dreamworks and other filmmakers, "Stars Wars" creator George Lucas (news) is forming a new group to make computer-animated films, a spokeswoman said on Monday.

    The unit, called Lucasfilm Animation, is an offshoot of his special effects company, Industrial Light & Magic, that has been a pioneer in the field of digital effects and works on Lucas' own "Star Wars" films.

    Lynne Hale, spokeswoman for his San Rafael, California-based Lucasfilm Ltd., said the new unit was "still in its beginning stages" and did not even have a project to talk about.

    As a result, details were limited. Hale confirmed that Lucasfilm Animation will be formed from a nine-person team housed with Industrial Light & Magic. The new division will be headed by senior vice president Patty Blau.

    Lucas is a vocal proponent of using digitally produced and computerized special effects in the movies. His companies have been active in designing new cameras for shooting digital films, and his most recent "Star Wars: Episode II -- Attack of the Clones" was shot in the digital format.

    Until now, however, he has lacked a production company dedicated to making computerized animation movies such as "Shrek," "Monsters, Inc." or last year's "Ice Age."

    Those three films have been smash hits with combined global ticket sales of $1.36 billion. On its own, "Monsters, Inc.," which was produced by Pixar and The Walt Disney Co., raked in $529 million in global ticket sales.

    Lucas is no stranger to digital animation. Indeed, Pixar had been Lucasfilm's computer graphics division 17 years ago before Lucas sold it to Apple Computer's Steve Jobs (news - web sites) for $10 million.

    Pixar now has a market capitalization of roughly $3.2 billion

    Lucas, too, has tried to mount efforts to make digitally animated movies, such as a version of "Frankenstein" that was scrapped by Universal Pictures in 1999.

    1. Re:Text of Article by maxbang · · Score: 5, Funny
      Thanks - I was afraid Yahoo might get slashdotted.

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  3. Why digital? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Can't people just draw by hand anymore?

    What has this country come to?

    It's sad!

    1. Re:Why digital? by ahector · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Of course we can still draw by hand.

      In fact a lot of drawing by hand is involved in CG films (Pixar, etc.)-- they do all of the initial design (characters, environments) on paper-- and they storyboard the whole movie out (complete with rough voice overs, sound, etc.) just like they do for most traditionally animated and even live action movies.

      It's just another medium for artists to use.

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    2. Re:Why digital? by uberdave · · Score: 4, Interesting

      People can't do anything by hand anymore. Lego and Meccanno have both gone to pre-designed models (if you can even *find* Meccanno). Radio Shack doesn't sell Electronics Kits, or electronic components anymore. "Do-It-Yourself" somehow got left behind in the dim mists of the 20th century.

    3. Re:Why digital? by Kadagan+AU · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You know, it's also sad that you were modded to funny. Maybe you meant it as a joke, but there is some great truth in that statement. My college room mate was majoring in graphic design, and was very dissapointed at the strong emphasis on computers, and hardly any on hand drawing. I believe that both hand animation and cg are great mediums, but it seems that one is not used much anymore. I wish that they would both stay in heavy use. we need a hand animated MegaTokyo movie dammit!

      ~Jon

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  4. PLEASE NOOO!!! by TrollBridge · · Score: 2, Funny
    "I wonder if Episode VII-IX would be a good choice as first projects?"

    Hasn't he done enough to us already???

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  5. duh by JeffSh · · Score: 5, Funny



    Atleast jar jar would be dead by Episode 7.

    <obligatory jar jar joke>

    1. Re:duh by Synic · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yoda is still alive, what makes you thinka powerful evil like Jar Jar wouldn't be alive too? The dark side of the schwartz is strong with his bumbling and offensive dialogue.

    2. Re:duh by kurosawdust · · Score: 2, Funny

      For the love of God, close the Jar-Jar tag!!! We dont want him getting out!

  6. Star Wars = 6 by TheScream · · Score: 2, Funny

    I have read several times of Lucas stating that he will not be making any more Star Wars films after episodes 1 - 6 are complete.

    I do hope he does though, or at least licences someone to.

    1. Re:Star Wars = 6 by gfxguy · · Score: 5, Funny

      You'll get it, but you'll have to wait.

      First, the second trilogy will be finished and then released on DVD, one at a time.

      Second, the boxed set of the second trilogy.

      Third, the special edition boxed set of the second trilogy.

      Fourth, individual releases, one at a time, of the original trilogy ("enhanced" version, of course, don't expect to ever really get the original).

      Fifth: The "combo" packs. You'll be able to buy special combo editions of ANH and ESB, or ESB and ROTJ, or ANH and ROTJ, but not all three.

      Sixth, the boxed set of the original trilogy.

      Seventh, the special edition boxed set will be simultaneously released with the re-release of the second trilogy which will have additional commentary and material that, by that point, no one will ever listen to.

      Eighth, the "six pack" will be released.

      Ninth, the special edition "six pack".

      Tenth, the special edition "six pack" with extra commentary that, by that point, no one will ever listen to, and Jaba/Jar Jar bookends (that's right, a "true" fan will buy both the Jaba set and the Jar Jar set - don't call yourself a "real" Star Wars fan if you don't). Anticipated release date: May 21, 2020.

      As for me, as soon as I buy a DVD recorder I'll be making DVD versions of the ORIGINAL tapes. Bastards. Han shot first, what's the big deal? PC morons.

      Worst fear: Lucas will find a way to live on in some computer/mechanical fashion and keep making movies without any help.

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    2. Re:Star Wars = 6 by Thud457 · · Score: 5, Insightful
      " Han shot first "

      Is that available on a XXXL Hanes T at thinkgeek?
      That statement says worlds about Lucas, Hollywood, and America today.

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    3. Re:Star Wars = 6 by djward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Heh. My laserdiscs of the original trilogy are pretty sweet. 3.1 surround, DVD-quality THX-remastered video - and they're the real original versions, the release just before the "Special Edition" came out. Not to mention BEAUTIFUL LP-sized cover art...

      Hrm, it would be trivial to rip these and burn to DVD...

  7. I can just see it by Zoop · · Score: 4, Funny

    We find out that Ewoks and Jar-jar form a new, dark empire who crush the evil alliance of script-leakers and Kazaa users.

  8. Nooo!!! by mccalli · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Mr Lucas and I used to have an admirable arrangement. I gave him money, and he gave me good films.

    In recent years however, he's rather been letting down his side of the bargain. I still gave him money, but he gave dross in return. It seems that most of the reason he's given me dross is because of an obsession with digital filmaking - looks like he's much more interested in the technology behind the film than in the film itself these days.

    Bah. Bring back model-making and puppetry, and hire a decent set of writers...

    Cheers,
    Ian

    1. Re:Nooo!!! by mattgarnsey · · Score: 5, Funny

      he's altering the deal. pray he doesn't alter it any further.

    2. Re:Nooo!!! by blinder · · Score: 2, Insightful

      First... full disclosure: I am a supporter of George Lucas, and have enjoyed (completely) EP I and II and am eagerly awaiting EP III... and am old enough to remember the first time I saw EP IV (on opening weekend).

      Now, to my post.
      There's something folks need to understand about Mr. Lucas. He makes films to satisfy his own desire to tell the stories he wants to tell and do it the way he wants to do it.. and if that just so happens to be something you like, then great... if not... well... George isn't going to loose any sleep over it.

      He's truly an independant, and does things his way. I'm not saying that critics are not entitled to do what they do... but I believe that there's a fundamental misunderstanding folks have, and that GL isn't going to change or modify this story or how he tells the story to satisfy the critics or even the audience. Look at EP III... it won't have a happy ending, it will be dark and it will be full of simple dialog and amazing (stunning IMHO) effects and probably the best LS duels yet shot.... and still there will be critics (haters) that will blame GL for "raping" their childhood and going on and on how *they* were let down and how "violated" they will feel.

      Its all pretty laughable.

  9. Good deal by welthqa · · Score: 2, Interesting

    10 million for ILM? i didn't realize how cheap they got it for. any of these digital movies are the real money makers. they're grossing as much as any tom cruise film and they don't have to dish out 25million to a single actor, i'm sure voice actors don't get this much, even if they are big names.
    Besides, you get to justify new computer stuff for your business. ;)

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  10. Yoda? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Lucasfilm Animation is created roughly 17 years after

    Did Yoda write this post?

  11. Dear God No! by FatRatBastard · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I wonder if Episode VII-IX would be a good choice as first projects?

    Dear god no! It wasn't the technology that was the problem with I, II (and, no-doubt, III), but piss-poor stories. It wouldn't have mattered if Lucas did I, II, III, VII, VIII, or IX as live action, animation, stick figures, a puppet show, or Kabuki theatre unless he has a plot that doesn't suck the sweat of a dead donkey's balls they'd still stink.

    1. Re:Dear God No! by Tarindel · · Score: 5, Insightful
      It wasn't the technology that was the problem with I, II (and, no-doubt, III), but piss-poor stories


      It's not even that the concepts behind the stories were so bad. It's that the screenplay adaptions of the stories were absolutely horrid and the casting was worse (with a couple notable exceptions). Then, to make matters worse, Lucas decided to aim Episode I at youngsters in an attempt to capture the imagination of a new generation (via devices such as Jar Jar and the overly-long video-game-influenced pod racing scenes). However, in reality he not only failed at this, he also managed to upset a fairly large portion of his ever-aging fanbase.

      The reason Pixar succeeds so well is simple. It's not because the stories are all that fabulous - because in reality they're pretty simple. It's because they're well written, have a great mix of humor/action/etc, and most of all, they have an awful lot of heart.

      The best thing that could happen to this unit is for Lucas not to have any control over it. At this point in his career, he should stick to what he's good at, which is the technical side of film-making.
  12. Lucas by mattboston · · Score: 2, Informative

    already stated that there is no episode 7, 8 or 9.

  13. All the CG in the world... by Guano_Jim · · Score: 5, Insightful
    ...won't help a bit if your script sucks. Films like Monsters, Inc. succeeded not because they show off the latest and greatest in rendering power, but because they have an engaging story and interesting characters.


    You could have done Monsters, Inc with sock puppets and it still would have been entertaining.


    Lucas hasn't recently shown that he can deliver the plots and characters that are necessary to make an animated film work.

  14. Great - Just What We Need by Dark+Paladin · · Score: 5, Funny

    Star Wars VII: The Further Adventures of Star Wars

    Luke: Hey, everybody!
    New Republic Senate: Luke!

    (Luke walks up to the bar. Leia is standing behind it.)

    Leia: Hey, Luke. How was work today? (He pours him a cup of coffee and pulls 2 cinnamon buns from her hair.)

    Luke: Same old. Showed up, got tempted by the Dark Side, and my Dad kept going on about how when he was my age, he was already married with two unknown children out there.

    Leia: (Rolls her eyes to the laugh track.) I think he just wants to become a grandfather before the Glowing Blue Light fades away.

    (The bar door opens. The audience cheers as Han Solo walks into the room.)

    Han: Heyyyy! (He hits the jukebox with a fist, making a holo-projector of dancing aliens appear.) Has anybody seen my blaster? (He pulls out a walkie-talkie from his side pocket.) I woke up in the Millenium Falcon with this strapped to my side.

    Leia: I did that - you never call me when you're suppose to. I swear, you and that Wookie are having some weird love affair behind my back.

    Han: How did you know? I mean, that's just silly, even though his fur is as soft as silk, and.... (He clears his throat.) Anyway, I brought you a present.

    Leia: Another gold bikini?

    Han: No... (He opens the door. There stands the former Queen/Senator/Love Puppy to Darth Vader - Amidala!)

    Leia/Luke: Mom? We thought you were dead!

    Amidala: No, your father had me frozen in carbonite, hoping to come back to me someday when the Emporer was dead.

    Han: You could say she was naked and petrified.

    (Laugh track and the audience goes "ahhhh" as Luke/Leia/Amidala/Han hug.)

    Big titles: In Episode VIII, watch as C3PO remembers that he was made by Anakin, and could have saved everybody a lot of time by telling Uncle Owen and Luke Skywalker where he came from!

    Now, imagine this animated. Scary, huh?

  15. I had a dangerous thought right now .. by ciupman · · Score: 3, Funny

    .. like .. a digital Mark Hammil ?

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  16. Howard The Duck by tjansen · · Score: 5, Funny

    Please make a Howard The Duck sequel. That would rock! But maybe Howard should rap, the times have changed...

  17. A more in-depth article at LA Times. by Trunks · · Score: 5, Informative
    You can find a more in-depth article on the matter here, use nopass/nopass to get by the reg if you have to.

    While people are busy grousing about Star Wars, there's plenty of other material Lucas already has access to that would make a great movie. Anyone who has played the LucasArts adventure game Grim Fandango would agree it would make a kickass feature film. Glottis > Shrek. ;)

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  18. Why not? by NetDanzr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It can't be any worse than Episode I and II. And, after all, Lucas gives absolutely no freedom to his actors, so replacing them with animated characters wouldn't change a thing.

  19. Tired of the Ep 1/2 complaints. by Randolpho · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I wonder if Episode VII-IX would be a good choice as first projects?
    Well, I for one, hope Lucas goes ahead with some post-Return of the Jedi movies.

    I'm also quite tired of the people who bitch about how great the first trilogy was and how boring/stupid the second trilogy is turning out to be. Look, Star Wars (the first one) was not that great a movie. But we loved it anyway, because it was cool. Empire was darker, and we loved it too. Jedi had Ewoks, and they were annoyingly cute, but we still loved the damn movie! Why? Because it was still really damn cool!

    Now I will grant you that Jar-Jar got a little anoying at times, but on the whole, Episode 1 and 2 were damn cool movies. So what if Anakin and Jar-Jar bumbled their way through to victories in Ep1? They were not the stars of movie, folks. The stars showed up to chew bubble gum and kick ass, and they found they were all out of bubble gum. Although Qui-Gon found a piece right there at the end, and that was a bit disappointing.

    So, to those who think Ep1 and Ep2 somehow sullied their memories of the original trilogy, I say go watch the trilogy again. I mean, really watch it. Watch all the bad acting and bumbled lines. Watch the melodrama and sap. Watch the forced and often unfunny humor given us through the C3PO/R2D2 banter. And then go enjoy Episodes 1 and 2 for what they are: damn cool action flicks.
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    1. Re:Tired of the Ep 1/2 complaints. by geekoid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, they were bad movies.
      The acting is worse then the first three. Considering the first three had mark hamill, thats saying somthing.

      He changed the universe. Thats bad story telling. It's his universe to change, but that doesn't make it good story telling.

      The dialog. 4,5,6, all had quotable dialog. 1,2 did not.

      1,2 pail compared to other action flicks. I think this is very important. 4 was the action flick of its time. 5,6 some what so.

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  20. Further Episodes by ackthpt · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I wonder if Episode VII-IX would be a good choice as first projects?"

    Aside from, "No", IIRC George Lucas has dismissed doing the later episodes, as they have already been extensively explored in books. If you haven't noticed, the books on the Star Wars movie episodes follow the film to market, not precede it.

    Imagine George changing the ending, in typical shitty Hollywood-fashion, of one book to make it into a movie and *fanfare* leave the ending in suspense! *raspberry* (For my money, Hollywood should STOP doing that and focus on films true to the original story.)

    If To Kill a Mockingbird was filmed today, Atticus Finch would probably look like Rambo and be mowing the jury down with an AK47, a la Kill Mo' Mockingbird*, just because everyone (all those trapped in American Lit. classes or the three or four of us who liked the book and read it anway) already knows how it ended in the book.

    * Reference to Bloom County

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  21. Where "Star Wars" should go next.... by PortHaven · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A 2 yr Television series....

    That follows the ups and downs of a tramp freighter captain and his crew...

    It'd be cool cause we'd see all the planets and homeworlds of the various races....

    The question would be "when" it should take place. Personally, I think immediately after ROTJ. When the galaxy is in chaos....

  22. Lucas is just learning: by Thud457 · · Score: 5, Funny

    What Gerry Anderson understood full well thirty years ago: Actors can be a real pain in the ass for director / producers.

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    1. Re:Lucas is just learning: by Croaker · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah... because to get truely wooden performances, you need puppets.

      Maybe Lucas should switch to making movies with no characters in them whatsoever. He can then dispense with his really awful dialog. Stick to "Triumph of the Will" like marching scenes and space ships blowing up, George.

  23. Regarding episodes 7-9 by mooZENDog · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I wonder if Episode VII-IX would be a good choice as first projects?

    Probably not as first projects, it's like handing an extremely important contract to the 17-year old trainee (who happens to be the son of the company's chairman).

    Regardless of if the last three episodes are to be made into films or not (I predict that they will... eventually at least). I remember reading books which purported to continue the films' plotline (there was a renegade Empire general, and a jedi training camp, and Leia had twins who were uber-powerful jedi), but although these books were officially sanctioned books in the series of nine, AFAIK they wern't written by Lucas and so may not get the seal of approval to actually become films.

    Anyone out there know anything else about this?

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  24. Not Even Going to Read /. Posts by nemski · · Score: 2

    Without reading the article -- a requirement for all /.ers -- I'll take it one step further and not read the posts because most, if not all, posts will bash Lucas for making crappy movies and Jar Jar.

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  25. Re:Actually, I'd prefer Lucas use more models by finkployd · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Hear Hear!

    I just watched the star wars trilogy for the first time in ages last weekend, and I was struck by how much more realistic the models looked than the CG stuff in ep 1 and 2. Maybe because they were "real" (small, but actual physical objects). Oddly, the CG stuff in LOTR looked fine to me, and blended into the rest of the film seamlessly, so who knows.

    I can't put my finger on "why" exactly, that is just how I feel.

    Finkployd

  26. Ninja! by geekoid · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Please do not tip the Ninjas."

    The plural for Ninja is Ninja
    ex:
    Fish:Fish
    Lego:Lego
    Ninja:Ninja

    As punishment, you must sing the Ninja song!

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  27. But now... by Lester67 · · Score: 2, Funny

    He can make really crappy movies and not destroy an actors career with it.

  28. Pixar does exactly what Lucas can't, right? by ianscot · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The biggest strength Pixar has is that it really hones the personality of a character with tiny little well-considered style points. The writing's okay, it's not completely rote Disney crap, but it's the little stuff in a character like Woody that makes it work.

    Think of that first short with the lamp, way back -- who'd have thought they could make it so expressive? Or all those birds on the line; they all look alike, but the little character touches set each one apart.

    George Lucas, on the other hand, can have someone like Samuel L. Jackson in a movie and make him deeply boring -- even as a Jedi Freakin' Knight! Does anyone think Lucas improves his actors? Anyone? Does he direct for nice little character touches??

    What George wants this splinter company to do is make huge, distractingly detailed landscapes and gratuitously gigantic battle scenes. Take a look at the battle at the end of Episode II; that's what he thinks computer animation is about. He's as bad with character touches as any director out there.

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  29. No worries about that by gosand · · Score: 2, Funny
    We find out that Ewoks and Jar-jar form a new, dark empire who crush the evil alliance of script-leakers and Kazaa users.

    I think Lucas is effectively taking care of this evil alliance simply by making more movies. You know your movies suck when nobody on Kazaa wants them.

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  30. Lucas=overrated by wardk · · Score: 3, Insightful
    what has this guy DONE? so he created some cheesy but lovable episodes like two decades ago... everything he's done lately is absolutely horrendous. beyond horrendous.

    face it, he's embarrassing himself...

    I guess on the positive side, maybe he'll hire some animation people that can create something of actual worth. alas he'll probably produce blatant (and stupendously inferior)pixar ripoffs....

    yaaawwwwwwnnnnnnnnnn

    ok, flame away

    1. Re:Lucas=overrated by hcduvall · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Oh sure, the parent post is flamebaity, but he's right. Most of Lucas' ideas are high production serials or genre pics. This isn't bad just 'cause (but neither is it holy writ, or indicative of our cultural heroic subconscious whatsists). Indiana Jones, Willow, even Howard the Duck, all of that are pretty simple stuff (which for the most part I like- don't like the duck).

      We love some of his work, you can argue he captured a zeigiest (sp) or something, but his track record is pretty skimpy the past decade or two as a creative force. And as a creative force he was never that innovative.

      But he's grown an ego that matches his success, and that is embarassing. But so is the little fan cult glow. He can do wrong- and you are allowed to say that. you're even allowed to say you enjoyed it (even if it is crap). its not like he's apple...

  31. Re:For the love of Yoda by spiffistan · · Score: 2, Funny

    do not or do not, there is no do.

  32. why Lucas sold Pixar by peter303 · · Score: 3, Informative

    In the mid 1980s Pixar was basically a computer hardware company making nifty graphics accelerators for volume visualization. Since this was not the core business of LucasFilm either Pixar would would have to compete with the parent company for development capital and perhaps one or both would be shortchanged. So Lucus spun his computer divisions off hoping they could making money expanding to other markets like medical imaging, oil exploration, etc. However, in the mid-1980s UNIX graphics workstations like Apollo, HP and Sun were caught up to Pixar's hardware. The crucial insight of Job's purchase was that Pixar's graphics expertise was unparalleled, so the hardware was dumped and they never looked back.