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Can Hollywood Learn From Intuit?
Ironica writes "Readers will recall the furor over Intuit's activation scheme for TurboTax 2002, which prompted a lawsuit and subsequently was removed from TT2002 and all future products. Here's an interesting editorial on CNNMoney suggesting that other DRM proponents could take a page out of Intuit's book ... if they have the sense."
Would the MPAA/RIAA/etc want you to pay royalties for remembering things?
In Intuit's case, they actually saw a loss on the books, and realized it was a Bad Thing. Hollywood hasn't seen any such loss, and so doesn't understand.
The problem can also be laid at the feet of the Copy protection software/hardware companies which see Hollywood an opportunity to sell their product into a new market.
They have had a devil of a time trying to sell other software companies for the last 10ish years on the idea, but now they have a new market open and this market isn't as technically sauvey as the Software Industry was back in the late 80's early 90's when we all decided the copy protection wars were not feasible.
Ted Tschopp
Fantasy remains a human right; we make in our measure and in our derivative mode... -- JRR Tolkien
Wasn't there a DVD recently released of a major picture (Harry Potter?) that has no protection and the publisher said it just wasn't worth the effort?
No, Hollywood is incapable of learning.
But seriously, I joke, I kid...
Hollywood will learn eventually, after they've been subjected to extreme pressure, loss of profits, and humiliating defeat of any copy protection mechanism they can devise. The same goes for any group of companies that have forgotten they exist because their customers allow them to, and not by some natural right.
I don't see a problem with it. It prevents piracy and also leads to many *schools* to purchase more then 1 copy from me, as I can easily proove from my logs. I don't write to people's boot sectors or anything though - just some simple DSA PKI.
Morphing Software
They'll learn that the copy protection mechanisms must be phased into use, and shouldn't provide enough drastic changes to enrage normally enthralled masses...
Except they've proven time and again how little regard they have for their customers. Personally I don't give a fsck anymore, they've already lost me. I don't do buisness with anybody that treats me like a criminal.
Is that Software has to be updated every few years. Software makers don't expect to pay coders a flat fee to produce a product and sit on the profits for the next 70+ years.
Movie makers do. They pay artists a flat fee to make a movie, grab all copyrights & sell the movie for the next 70+ years.
So - Software makers dont *need* DRM as much as movie makers.
We're going to have to wait for (or force) a change in the (frankly corrupt) Hollywood business model.
So. No. Hollywood won't learn.
TurboTax is an unique piece of software in the sense that it has a very specific goal. It is used only once, and then it needs to be replaced by a newer version. Combine this with the fact that it would appeal even to users who would never install anything else on their computers, and you get a large number of disenchanted customers. You will never get the same protest base with programs like Windows, which come largely preinstalled, or different office suites, which the user installs and forgets, until he replaces the computer.
As for entertainment products, there is a possibility of such a backlash only when the products don't work on common players. The people who want to play CDs on their computers may be vocal, but they are too small of a minority to hurt the companies' revenues signifficantly, in the case of a boycott.
"A microprocessor... is a terrible thing to waste." --
GeneralEmergency
So...
DRM = soufflé
soufflé = to blow (in French)
Therefore, DRM Blows!
And thats a wrap!
If brevity is the soul of wit, then how does one explain Twitter?
Uhm, Intuit makes Quicken.
Yeah.
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I've been using TurboTax for eight years now. This "product activation" nonsense was a rude surprise for me this year. I certainly did my part in bitching, pissing, and moaning as loud as I could.
And, I might take this opportunity to mention that product activation wasn't the only thing that made doing last year's taxes with TurboTax a completely disgusting, and revolting experience. Almost every other screen was filled with Intuit's sales pitches for other unrelated garbage that I didn't need, or want. First, Turbotax haggled me to upgrade to a premium version of TurboTax. All they want is my credit card number to "unlock" the extra crap; there's nothing to download. Of course, after reviewing the list of additional "features" in the premium version it was pretty clear that no more than, perhaps, 1% of people could possibly use it.
Then, TurboTax haggled me to use Intuit's electronic filing service, against for a premium cost. Then, another sales pitch to upgrade to premium TurboTax features, Finally, TurboTax wanted me to pay for storing my tax return in an "electronic vault", for safekeeping (whatever the fuck it means).
This year, doing my taxes was a totally nauseating experience. Literally, my wallet had a bullseye painted right on it, in bright red colors, and Intuit tried everything they could to grab as much of it as they can. I JUST WANT TO DO MY TAXES AND LEAVE MY WALLET ALONE.
Intuit is hoping that this controversy is over. But I hope that it's not over. Even though Intuit is now furiously backpedaling and groveling that's not enough for me. I will follow through on my promise, and no matter how many times Intuit will now swear that their spyware/DRM is history, I will still use a competing product next year. And if I like it, I'll continue to use it. If not, I'll perhaps go back to Turbotax the following year.
I firmly believe that Intuit should not be allowed to get a get-out-of-jail-free card simply by issuing a bunch of warm-sounding press releases, full of vague and nebulous promises. They must still have to deal with the consequences of their decisions, and I'm hoping that others feel the same way too, and will still use some other competing tax preparation package next year.
The FAQ:
Q: Can Hollywood Learn From Intuit?
A: No.
From the article:
"Customer reviews on Amazon.com (AMZN) tell the tale. For the 2001 version of TurboTax (which had no activation feature), the average customer-satisfaction rating was four and a half stars. For the activation-enhanced 2002 edition, the average rating dropped to one and a half stars, and the reviews bore titles such as "scumbags," "disaster," and, perhaps presciently, "the demise of TurboTax.""
I think the lesson the DRM-and-associated industries will take from this is the Boiling Frog story.
For those not familiar with it (there might be a few), the theory goes that if you put a frog into a pot of boiling water it will immediately jump out. If you place that frog in a pan of warm water and slowly raise the heat to boiling, the thing won't budge until it's dead (and then it still won't budge. =)
In other words, the lesson learned is "erode their rights slowly, don't yank the carpet out from under them all at once. Start with the minor potatoes like so-called "fair use." They're entitled to protection from litigation if they're copying something for their own use but that doesn't mean we have to make the item copyable so we can leverage the DMCA for all it's worth. The politicans are cheap. Consider them as insurance or rent money -- just another cost of doing business. The consumer (and oh how I love that word) won't even know they have rights nevermind miss them in 20 years. Just do it slowly."
Oh yeah. Holywood can learn. The question is "can we?"
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Limekiller
One might argue that this is because Intuit has competition, while Hollywood is in fact several dominant companies working together in a de facto monopoly.
Providing an alternative to the MPAA that will be as attractive to an average consumer is not really feasiable, but for the RIAA it can be done.
Imagine a P2P sharing network that contains only legal content (how? probably something to do with only allowing non-anonymous posting, and a DMCA-protected login (flame away), among other things). Consumers have a legal, non-threatening way to get so much new music RIAA can feel a two-digit-percentage sales drop (on top of the current situation). You'll effectively be cutting off the RIAA's "ear supply", if you will.
In less than a year, they'll sign up for accounts to post some of their own tainted music.
This time about why inuit would do the whole product activation scheme in the first place: www.gripe2ed.com
I mean software companies would rather sell you a product every year than once for life. (Not including M$ wich wants to sell you 1 product for life.....every year.) Why don't the music and movie companies see this?
I am not a real music person but there are several songs I would enjoy owning, but only if i can get them for a reasonable price. I mean I would be happy to pay a couple bucks to download a song, so long as i can then do whatever i want with it.
My VCR's whole function is to record, TV's, music, etc. So why suddenly do they expect us to pay for everything, every time we want to use it, and to pay more. This whole fight has been had before and its obvious who one, since we all own VCR's (well the majority do), and tape decks. Most of us even have photocopiers at work etc. In all those cases, tape, cassete, book/magazine, if it is something we want and we can purchase it for a reasonable price then we do so. We don't photocopy a 5$ paper back because that would be stupid. You go buy the book.
When record and movie companies remember that then they can drop this whole scam. Until then pirates/hackers/everybody will do what gives us the best return for our investment.
So the real question becomes, not will they learn, but when will they learn, and more importantly how do we help them learn?
In the dog-eat-dog world of tax preparation software, there's nothing worse than being assaulted by a product made down the hall from you - which fits in an entirely different niche.
Worse fate than death, I tell you.
In the meantime, Intuit does have competition from H&R Block and a few others.
These two words to not go together.
This is a small article in a relatively unknown magazine, and even there, Intuit's claim that the consumer backlash was "completely unexpected" tells the real tale:
They still don't get it.
This isn't about technology, rights or anything. This is about simple plain good business sense. This is about bad management. It is a fallacy for a company to think that their product is so delightful that people will put up with being treated like a criminal for the right to use it. Intuit only has one major competitor (H&R Block's Taxcut). The RIAA has thousands of small labels that are chomping at the bit in anticipation of the market the big labels are about to surrender.
The nice thing about a market economy is that the RIAA's folly is our opportunity. It's actually in the small labels' best interests for the RIAA and Microsoft to continue down the DRM path.
So let's keep this news quiet, okay?
They can't even grasp basic economics. They flood the market with trash like Dumb and Dumberer and Final Desination 2 and wonder why, according to Jack Valenti (can he be trusted at all?), they gross an average of only $52M a year. The movie studios basically know how to make a movie that will bring in heaping piles of cash. Look at the Matrix and LOTR. The problem is that they are so greedy that they can't accept that at the end of the day, if they produce a few good movies a year and call it even, they will more likely than not come out ahead more easily than if they put out many times that.
The music industry has an excuse, music fans are often fickle and can throw out a band after one CD because their style "isn't cool anymore." Most music is disposable because people don't want anything artistic or refreshingly original. I listen to old stuff by The Cult occassionally as well as more recent stuff like Stabbing Westward. You don't see that kind of rock anymore. It's the same tuned-down, crunch-your-head-off distortion filled, 3 power chord bullshit. I mean WTF is up with a band like the All American Rejects? I just started playing bass a week ago after having been playing guitar on a semi-active basis for 5 months and can play at least one of their bass lines they're that fucking simple! Swing, Swing has only 4 notes in the entire bass line and you just hit them as 8th notes in sets of 8. Again, pathetic... even I a total newbie write cooler bass lines than that. I want my recording contract now that I know that the bar has been thrown out, not lowered.
The IP cartels are greedy and they're not bound to full market forces. Whoever heard of a Korn CD competing with a TRUSTCompany CD? They don't, except for this week's $15 allowance. Buy one this week, buy the other next week. They won't learn because the government is going to step in like a good fascist state and save them from the pirhannas of capitalism that are now about to descend upon them. America will slip backward, other countries will take our economic lead, but a bunch of neocons will be able to sleep peacefully at night knowing that the market is safe for Britney Spears and Limp Bizkit. Too bad that a bunch of our IT sector will be in ruins and our economy's growth will be fizzling out. "Property rights" will be have been protected, except for your right to modify your DVD-R/RW or DVD player so it can play non-CSS DVD-Rs. Hey, property rights in the neocon world belong only to those who produce, not those who consume.
I'm a neo-liberal/libertarian and yes, I openly and freely admit that I vehemently hate neo-conservatism and wish enlightenment for them first, and if that doesn't work a pox on them.
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They really thought that creating softwer that when installed actually wrote something on my MBR was not going to upset me?
How dumn are they?
Up till this year I used turbotax for the past several returns, but this year I use TaxAct. And although their interface was not as nice as turbotax, it saved me money and didn't tamper with my machine!
This is just sig!
Think Intuit is giving up on drm?
Maybe timothy and the slashdot crowd should check their facts first, before crediting Intuit with anything.
Looks like Intuit's spin is working wonders.
Intuit's problem was that their DRM was too restrictive. They need a way to allow the sw to be installed on 3 computers for instance, but no more. Then people couldn't complain about legitimate uses of the sw being hampered. However, Intuit is still losing money on people passing the sw around the office, etc., so to maximise profit they need some less noticeable DRM.
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..Users of the Turbotax software can be considered outside the realm of normal consumers..There's a big difference between the mindsets of a person who goes out to buy a tax package to use for Uncle Sam's extortion and your garden variety 1337 kiddie trading DVD rips on IRC rather than taking a trip to the Suncoast to buy it..Apples and Oranges man, apples and oranges.. ..See, I look at it like this: Most Turbotax users are going to be pretty saavy at doing their taxes no? They're probably middle income with some post secondary education, and they're spending hard earned money on a tool thats going to help them go through an experience which, given the choice between tax time and a root canal with a rusty pair of pliers..the pliers win..The majority of people sucking up entertainment media are NOT of that mindset..(One only has to look to reality TV to see this..)..
Dare I say it, but I believe MOST people wouldn't really make a protest at this..Yeah yeah, the ocean of geeks freqenting this site would disagree, but keep in mind that this is NOT indicative of the American Mindset..Most suck up whats on the TV set as truth and don't question..If the company tells them to go out and buy a DRM approved player, they're going to do it because they can't even CONCEIVE of bucking the trend for a brighter day, much less form any kind of resistence to the status quo...
The two products (Tax Software Vs. Your Favorite Movies) are fundamentally different in design and need as well..Entertainment, due in no small part to the structure that media has set up for itself is a fleeting thing..People want spectacular *POP* to everything that they buy, but having that puts one in the mindset that they shouldn't have to pay a great deal for it, or give any creedence to its artistic merit (which, nowadays in movies and music, there is little..)..Chances are if told that they have to obey the copy protection, given the price is right, they'll do it..Whereas with tax software, because of the above mentioned psychology, the anxiety level when dealing with the product itself is MUCH higher..(Now what 13 year old girl is REALLY gonna become the next Che Guevera of the digital world because she can't rip her favorite N'sync CD to a non-DRM MP3 player? Chances are, she's just gonna get mommy or daddy to buy the pass to use it on said MP3 player in addition to the home stereo..)..
Apples and Oranges...
But I thought movies never made any 'profit'.
What we see depends on mainly what we look for. -- John Lubbock Now search for that bug slave!
This could easily backfire and put more power into the hands of MSFT. Since they're currently the only (IFAIK) OS distributor that is "enabling the consumer by adding DRM to the core OS", some software companies may turn to them in an effort to protect their stranglehold on consumers. I'm not necessarily saying that TurboTax was doing this, but the RIAA certainly is; and as such, they're very likely to help push MSFT's propaganda and ultimately help proliferate DRM.
Here's the bottom line, if we (media users) don't act responsibly and avoid the urge to pirate videos, music, and software (at least buy it or otherwise support the creator somehow), these companies will force DRM onto us.
As consumers we do have significant "wallet" power, however, if we don't act responsibly, the powers that be will make sure that we do [act responsibly].
Call me conservative, but the creators of digital content (videos, audio, etc) should be able to make a living; however, they also shouldn't be able to destroy consumers by partnering with an unavoidable monopoly either.
If we don't take responsibility for our actions (and our peers' actions) now, we can't complain about losing our [said] rights in the future.
Don't think that a small group of dedicated individuals can't change the world. It's the only thing that ever has.
Intuit gets to sell you the same software each year with minimal changes. Sure they create bloatware versions with videos and extra garbage that nobody uses, but the core product is the same thing they were selling five years ago. They update the tax tables, make the changes for any changes in the law, and sell you the product all over again.
Intuit realized that many customers were sharing their product with others and that probably looked like lost profits.
But if someone lets a few others copy TurboTax, odds are one or two of those people will buy their own copy next year rather than hassle with chasing down the shared CD to install the program. Instead Intuit alienated the users that purchased the product as well as those who didn't. When they asked their buddy to borrow the copy of TurboTax, they were told "Sorry, the CD has some lame copy protection stuff". Now the purchaser and his/her buddies say "Intuit s**cks".
"We make our world significant by the courage of our questions and by the depth of our answers." Carl Sagan
Can Hollywood Learn From ______________.
No.
Our investment management firm was, for the time, highly IT intensive. All of our investment selections were based on statistical/computer models; the only way anyone could order a trade was through a (mainframe) computer interface. We started buying PCs early on, together with an early version of Lotus 1-2-3.
Then, Lotus introduced copy protection. Initially, we didn't have a big problem with that, in principle; but then we started to encounter the practical realities of unusable machines, software that we could not reload, and so on.
I can remember a meeting with some senior people from Lotus in my office. I told them a couple of things:
--We liked 1-2-3: it was really useful.
--We would never, from that time forward, buy any software with copy protection, under any circumstances.
As I told them then, and as I want to make clear now, we were NOT trying to cheat or get more licences than we were paying for. We were, however, unwilling to do business with another firm that treated us under the assumption that we were criminals.
This story had a happy ending. we were able to negogiate a deal for a "non-copy-protected" version of Louts's software. Not long after, the offer was made generally available.
I'm glad to hear that Intuit has figured things out. Perhaps some day others will ;-).
Rich
Intuit has plenty of competition, there are many equivalent DRM free SW packages that can produce the same results.
Hollywood has no serious competition, even less than MS. Nobody can match their global marketing prowess and astronomical budgets. Certainly none can match their political clout either, the lobbying power of the RIAA is but a shadow of the MPAA.
My rights don't need management.
Hollywood didn't learn from VCR's, didn't learn from videodisks, didn't learn from DVD's and now can't learn from digital media. To put it simply, Hollywood's arrogance won't LET them learn!
Every so often, you get a band or movie that has a cult attraction, but the laws should not be based on the exception to the rule.
The MPAA would not care one whit about piracy if it relied on initial box office to line their pockets. A whole lot of the gross revenue from your typical movie is expected to come from video sales, television licenses, and so on.
IP can depreciate or appreciate over time. The Star Wars franchise isn't a case of no depreciation; it's worth a whole lot MORE than it was when it was first released. But what I was trying to point out is, these "exceptions" are more a commercial phenomenon than an artistic/creative one. Part of the problem with copyright is that it treats all creation, regardless of purpose, producer, or medium, the same. But there's a whole world of difference between the IP protection needs of a sculptor, a progr^H^H^H^H^Hsoftware engineer and a multi-million-dollar movie machine. Those "exceptions" are what everyone in the Industry is working their asses off to create. When it happens, it's not a fluke, it's a success. The rules *should* take into account the overt goal of the work, IMO.
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So Apple sold 2 million songs in about 2 weeks at 99 cents each, right?
Why would these people buy these songs instead of just downloading them for free on Kazaa/Gnutella/etc?
Getting a song for free:
- cost: $0
- ease of use: pretty easy
- time to get: depends
- availability: depends
- quality: depends
- platform: mp3s will play on any system
- usage restrictions: none
- legality: not legal.
Getting a song from apple:
- cost: 99c / song, $9.99 / album
- ease of use: really easy
- time to get: really fast
- availability: about 20% of commercial music
- quality: guaranteed good.
- platform: mac only
- usage restrictions: medium-restrictive D.R.M.
- legality: legal.
And those are basically all the issues.
So apparently, ease of use + time to get + quality + legal vs cost + platform + restrictions results in $1 million a week for apple. Not too shabby!
Now what if they dropped the last two strikes against them (besides cost).. platform and usability restrictions? As they upped their cd library they'd soon find the ONLY advantage Kazaa would have would be price, whereas apple would now win (or at least tie) in every other category! How much money would they maybe gross then?
They make $1M a week now right? Let's say opening up the service to non-mac users (95%+ of the users) only triples their revenues. Let's say dropping all restrictions on use again doubles the usage. Finally, let's say them quintupling their collection to include everything ever recorded doubles their revenues again. It looks like they stand to make about $625 Million a year from this service.. if they'd just loosen up on the DRM (and complete their selection)!
They also had 'competition' internally as well, at least from a DRM standpoint: the online Turbotax (the same programs) which I used again this year, required no downloading or installing of any DRM, only the boxed versions had that crappola.
You still get to keep the e version of your tax files for reference, and Intuit keeps them on record as well (they do for all versions), handy if you suffer a data loss, mildly troubling if you worry about grand conspiracies, Big Brother or corporate stupidity.
After looking at all the other tax preparation software, online and otherwise, Intuit was still the best for me, and I was satisfied for one more year to use them again.
I'm glad they've seem some light on their boxed verisons, but there were other options for folks if they bothered to check.