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Caldera vs. Microsoft Court Documents To Be Shredded
Geste writes "As now being reported in this brief story and on my local (Seattle) NPR affiliate, 3 million court documents from Caldera's unfair competition suit against Microsoft are to be shredded in Utah. The timing relative to Microsoft's recent licensing of SCO Unix IP is undoubtedly a complete coincidence.
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Questioner: I hope you won't be offended if I ask you to prove to me that you're a nullo. Just so that our readers will know that this isn't a fake.
Rob: Sure, no problem. (stands and unbuckles pants and drops them to his ankles, revealing a smooth, shaven crotch with only a thin scar to show where his genitals once were).
Q: Thank you. That's a remarkable sight.
(laughs and pulls pants back up). Most people think so.
Q: What made you decide to become a nullo?
(pauses). Well, it really wasn't entirely my decision.
Q: Excuse me?
The idea wasn't mine. It was my lover's idea.
Q: Please explain what you mean.
Okay, it's a long story. You have to understand my relationship with Michael before you'll know what happened.
Q: We have plenty of time. Please go on.
Both of us were into the leather lifestyle when we met through a personal ad. Michael's ad was very specific: he was looking for someone to completely dominate and modify to his pleasure. In other word, a slave.
The ad intrigued me. I had been in a number of B&D scenes and also some S&M, but I found them unsatisfying because they were all temporary. After the fun was over, everybody went on with life as usual.
I was looking for a complete life change. I wanted to meet someone who would be part of my life forever. Someone who would control me and change me at his whim.
Q: In other words, you're a true masochist.
Oh yes, no doubt about that. I've always been totally passive in my sexual relationships.
Anyway, we met and there was instant chemistry. Michael is a few years older than me and very good looking. Our personalities meshed totally. He's very dominant.
I went back to his place after drinks and had the best sex of my life. That's when I knew I was going to be with Michael for a long, long time.
Q: What sort of things did you two do?
It was very heavy right away. He restrained me and whipped me for quite awhile. He put clamps on my nipples and a ball gag in my mouth. And he hung a ball bag on my sack with some very heavy weights. That bag really bounced around when Michael fucked me from behind.
Q: Ouch.
(laughs) Yeah, no kidding. At first I didn't think I could take the pain, but Michael worked me through it and after awhile I was flying. I was sorry when it was over.
Michael enjoyed it as much as I did. Afterwards he talked about what kind of a commitment I'd have to make if I wanted to stay with him.
Q: What did he say exactly?
Well, besides agreeing to be his slave in every way, I'd have to be ready to be modified. To have my body modified.
Q: Did he explain what he meant by that?
Not specifically, but I got the general idea. I guessed that something like castration might be part of it.
Q: How did that make you feel?
(laughs) I think it would make any guy a little hesitant.
Q: But it didn't stop you from agreeing to Michael's terms?
No it didn't. I was totally hooked on this man. I knew that I was willing to pay any price to be with him.
Anyway, a few days later I moved in with Michael. He gave me the rules right away: I'd have to be naked at all times while we were indoors, except for a leather dog collar that I could never take off. I had to keep my head shaved. And I had to wear a butt plug except when I needed to take a shit or when we were having sex.
I had to sleep on the floor next to his bed. I ate all my food on the floor, too.
The next day he took me to a piercing parlor where he had my nipples done, and a Prince Albert put into the head of my cock.
Q: Heavy stuff.
Yeah, and it
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The article doesn't say, who ordered the shredding?
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Most of it is then made into toilet paper.
How ironic indeed...any word on which manufacturer will get the pulp (I want to get me some of that!)
Q: "Why do sound techs say 'check 1, 2'?"
A: "Cause if they could count any higher they'd be lighting techs."
Anyone else hear that?
...Is it even legal to destroy cour documents? To save space? Couldn't they digitize them? This just seems like a way to hide information, and information like this could hardly have a good reason to be hidden.
If your theory is different from practice, then your theory is wrong.
Now I'll wonder, every time I use the john, if this piece of paper once made Microsoft embrace Unix...
(okay, so I'm stretching things just a little)
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it should make for a more comfortable wiping experience than the Windows 95 cd I currently use. Not as satisfying though.
Now SCO's IPs are in my toilet too..
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How will I know if I'm buying microsoft toilet-paper? I'll just feel it in my bones. This is why I've been reading /. for so long, so that I can just feel that sort of thing. Also, if I have to sign a EULA or something before using it, I'll know.
Plus, I'm just going to use the single-ply sheets that look like normal paper- not the double-ply, flowery, squishy toilet-paper that I'm sure will have come from microsoft. Just something to get the job done, and something that won't break. That's what I need.
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It is scheduled to be the single most interesting thing that has EVER happened in Utah.
Finally, math books without any of that base 6 crap in them.
With the CD you can cut little star notches in the central hole to make a poop extruder device. Very classy way to shit.
"...they'll be made into toilet paper"
For use in the new ILOO.
The article doesn't say, who ordered the shredding?
Geeez, did you or any of the people modding you up to 5 even read the article?
Oh wait, this is Slashdot, never mind. Oh well, I'm sure you will read it the next four times this story gets repeated.
And I quote the article:
Until now, that is. While helping my 16-year-old son (also an avid Slashdot reader) do research for a term paper on technology and journalism, I stumbled across some information that made me change my views about Slashdot completely. In a nutshell: Slashdot, and more accurately, its parent company VA Software, has deep and mutually influential ties to the Microsoft Corporation. In fact, Slashdot's own editors are paid (albeit indirectly) out of the coffers of Microsoft.
Yes. It's hard to believe. At first I couldn't believe it. But a few simple Google searches and 45 minutes' research on Lexis-Nexis (as well as a couple of phone calls to a friend of mine at the SEC) revealed the following:
At first I was more amused than shocked; I mean, the technology industry is notoriously incestuous and its leaders, even those who are in competition, often sit on the same boards and are members of the same organizations. So what if a few board members of Slashdot's parent company are also directors of a company funded by Microsoft? Well, it gets more interesting.
As it turns out, in May of 1999, VA Software submitted to the SEC Form 5506-D, Application for Direct Non-Ownership Subsidization. This is the form that a corporation will submit to the SEC when it wants to directly fund a subsidiary from its own parent corporation. (It's basically a tax shelter for companies with a lot of subsidiaries) The application was approved in July 1999. The applicant name? OSDN. In other words, Form 5506-D basically eliminated the middleman between OSDN and Murberry-Slocomb. Following the money, I now saw that OSDN was being funded directly from an infusion of captal that Murberry-Slocomb has received from Microsoft!
Weird. I know. But what does this all mean? Honestly I have no idea. I'm not the custodian of any privileged information. A look at VA Software's web site and a Google search is all anyone needs to find the same information that I found. Are Slashdot's staff being paid through Microsoft? I sincerely hope not. But the facts are there and it sure looks like it. More importantly, what does this mean for the future of Slashdot? Can any grain of objectivity or journalistic ethics be preserved? What happens when the company you are bashing, nay, the very company that you preach the loudest against, Microsoft, is the same company that signs your paycheck? Could there be a deeper link still? Who knows. As far as I'm concerned, I'll never look at Slashdot the same way, ever again.
Or maybe not.
Yes it did. Shredding was requested of the judge in the Caldera/M$ case by SCO in October. Judge agreed. SCO contracted the schredding by some shredding company. Sun got an injunction to stop the shredding, got 40 boxes of documents, scanned them, returned them, and the rest is now being shredded.
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Taco lives in the basement apartment below me. I heard him screaming in extasy all night long. It was louder than the time he got his dick stuck in the Shop-vac.
Because I just did, and a few things just leap right off the page:
/. post, it somehow seemed that I should find a picture in the article showing Darl McBride feeding reams of paper, all entitled "Damning Internal Documents of Antitrust Violations", into an industrial-strength shredder while Bill Gates, dressed in a Halloween Satan costume, danced in glee in the background. Funny how /. doesn't mention that some of the documents are being preserved.
/. thinks this is somehow important or damning to Microsoft or SCO, why wasn't this mentioned two weeks ago? Or in October, when SCO obtained permission to shred the documents?
::adjusts asbestos underwear::
1)In October, the company persuaded U.S. District Judge Dee Benson to order their destruction.
Because, as we all know, in October Microsoft and SCO were already in collusion to cause this big ruckus. Or maybe SCO was just tired of shelling out the cash to store the documents related to a long-finished case, and was trying to save a little money.
2) However, just as the shredding was to begin, Sun Microsystem's attorneys halted it with a subpoena. The company, seeking evidence that might help in its own antitrust suit against Microsoft, eventually pulled out 40 boxes of the computer giant's secret internal communications for digital imaging.
That's funny, by reading the
3)Meantime, the shredding and pulping of the remaining records has been under way for about two weeks.
So, if
Look, guys, I'm all for the downfall of Microsoft and the phoenix rise of Linux (and OS X, but hey, I'm weird), but couldn't we try for maybe just a teensy bit of objectivity?
Okay, flame away.
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I'd like to see the statistics for that, I consider that highly unbelievable. Though if the teenage pregnancy rate is above national average what is that compared to the relative number of abortions in other states?
Oh by the way I live in Utah, I would have to say the average age of marriage is 21 for men, and around 19 for women.
You can never fail unless you give up.
If someone have a copy of the SCO source code maybe make a Torrent file, so we can start analysing if they indeed stole something. A few nuggets will go a long way to quash the FUD from SCO. Anyone know where old SCO bug reports can be gooten?
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6. Possible License Violations Within The Kernel Source
Elsewhere, Christoph Hellwig replied to the original post as well, saying:
As somone who walked for SCO (or rather Caldera how it was called at that time) I can tell you this is utter crap. There were very people actually doing Linux kernel work then (and when the German office was closed down all those left the company) and we really had better things to do then trying to retrofit UnixWare code into the linux kenrel. Especially given that the kernel internals are so different that you'd need a big glue layer to actually make it work and you can guess how that would be ripped apart in a usual lkml review :)
It might be more interesting to look for stolen Linux code in Unixware, I'd suggest with the support for a very well known Linux fileystem in the Linux compat addon product for UnixWare..
Jim Nance said, "Wouldnt it be halirous if whatever code SCO is talking about when they say there is Unix code in Linux turns out to be code some SCO employee ripped out of some GPL program and stuck it into Unixware. That is actually far more likely than what they alledge."
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CmdrTaco posting an article first just doesn't feel right...
I thought courts would only admit hardcopies and not scanned documents. Seems like Sun is wasting money to scan those old documents...
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I think that Linux source is more likely to make it into SCOs tree then the other way around. I should do a ask slashdot on this but we know that doesn't work so I posted it in the closest related article.
Mike
So....will the resulting toilet paper be used in the Iloo?!?
Irrelevant of the fact that SCO and MS are a bunch of lying cheating fucks, it's unreasonable to ask anyone to spend thousands of dollars to continue storing documents that are useless to them.
You have a problem with these documents being destroyed? Get a court order to stop it, and scan in anything that you think is important. IBM may very well have cause to do so, as may the OSI. Undoubtely, the timing is obviously suspicious, but I doubt there's anything of particular value in the 897 remaining boxes of legal documents. If there is, then those interested in it should pay for the storage of the documents, not a corporation which has absolutely no use for them.
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Scanned documents have been an accepted legal practice since at least the Pennzoil/Texaco lawsuit days. Pennzoil won a few Billion dollars from Texaco and went on a scanning spree and wasted few million when the market was just getting Windows for Workgroups (Yech - 3.11).
;)
The requirement is that the scan documents have to be written to WORM (Write Once Read Many) media. At the time we were using 5GB optical platters (pretty advanced in its day).
I will never forget the MIS director Barbara saying that we should just "delete" the documents from the WORM platters so that we could use that room for other information.
Seems that the concept of WORM was unknown to her. She didn't support macros either, thought everything should be hand-coded, even when it was boring and repititious. I used to write macros back then to massage the DB and would have them running on 5 or 6 PCs at once. Drove the suits crazy. They thought I wasn't doing anything (until they looked at the machines working - then they looked like deer caught in the headlights - didn't quite know what to do).
This was back in 1988 or 89, so the concept isn't new - and has been around for a very longe time. Before that it was a little thing called Microfiche - film on tapes, often stored in little cassette like rolls. Of course, that just shows my age.
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But I wonder, which is worse - people who ask questions blatantly in the article, or MORON MODERATORS who mod the shit up to 5?
At least I RTFA before I moderate. Or post.
Tis here, my friend I bet if you search hard enough, you WILL find a duplicate of every taco post.... Its the new urban ledgend everyone keeps talking about..
sco: "hey bill, if ya help us validate our claims against IBM, we'll get rid of all these nasty documents..."
/me puts on his tinfoil hat.
bill: "I could crush you so fast It wouldn't be funny. Don't mock us."
sco: "it'll help save your ass against linux in the long run...."
bill: "where do I sign?"
My guess is the conversation went something like that. everyone seems to have the sneaking suspicion that microsoft and SCO are in cahoots, but it's all circumstancial evidence.
I wonder if there's another part of the story that is still hidden... something that will cause REAL problems in a month or two.
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...says that there may be some useful information in the sealed documents in the court battle between Caledera/SCO and Microsoft.
It's interesting that this airs today.
http://www.sltrib.com/2003/May/05212003/business/b usiness.asp
However, just as the shredding was to begin, Sun Microsystem's attorneys halted it with a subpoena. The company, seeking evidence that might help in its own antitrust suit against Microsoft, eventually pulled out 40 boxes of the computer giant's secret internal communications for digital imaging.
Paul Grewal, Sun's Cupertino, Calif.-based attorney, said the task was being wrapped up as of late Tuesday.
"We began [scanning] a couple of months ago, and most of the work is now done. We expect to wrap it up shortly," he said.
"Ninety-nine percent of our shreddings are made into toilet paper."
It'll be soothing to wipe my ass with something that deals with Microsoft.
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Most of it is then made into toilet paper ... so does the EULA fit on one-ply or two-ply? Do you have to break the seal by peeling the sheets apart?
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Of course it had nothing to do with the fact that the case is over and there is no legal reason to keep 6 tons of paper in the back room (most of which is copies of other documents or printouts of electronic files)
The documents have been imaged for permanent storage, so the destruction of the paper records is not a big thing.
Microsoft is peeved at IBM's Linux propaganda. So as not to get themselves involved in delicate situations, they become friends with the financially struggling foe (remember Corel?), and get them to do the dirty job. To pretty things up they licence SCO technology, SCO interfaces with Active Directory and so on.
Microsoft is really attempting to kill two birds with one stone: kill SCO/Caldera and piss off anyone shipping Linux, specially IBM.
This will be an interesting show indeed...
I've often had to publicly defend Microsoft against what I felt were acts of scapegoating from whining competitors (including Novell, Borland, Lotus, and Wordperfect), complaints which remind me of the way some Americans like to blame Japan for what are ultimately our own domestic problems.
Funny how the US Government later decided that M$ did indeed engage is such practices. Andy and DDJ should be ashamed of that article.
Let's see how the US government saw things. The jucky bits about DRDOS have been dug up by others. Have a look at M$ email for yourself. It was orchestrated from the start to crush an admitedly superior technology, included abouse of Microsoft's own custormers and malicious PR. Anyone who says differently has been proven a fool.
The destruction of court records is evil because it burries evidence of wrongdoing by a convicted monopolist that has yet to be punished and is proceeding as if nothing at all had happened. These letters may be published elsewhere, but they need to be preserved in context if an objective history is to be written. There's no telling what goodies the Caldera folks dug up before they became M$'s next shill. Evidence of Microsoft's concerted effort to eliminate free software is going to be lost.
Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.
There is no way the Open Source movement can be stopped. Does M$/SCO think this crap they're pulling will succeed in stopping Linux? I foresee the community doing the following:
1. write around SCO's disputed IP in the next Linux kernel.
2. write a whole new OpenSource OS that's better than Unix or Windoze (like BE was supposed to be).
There's just way too many smart people out there contributing, and the good stuff spreads like wildfire.
Like the RIAA, MS should realize that their closed ways of doing business are over and move on. Figure out new revenue streams based on actually adding value with what you do.
You expect Sun to fight for free software? Nope, they only care about java and other Sun stuff.
Irrelevant of the fact that SCO and MS are a bunch of lying cheating fucks, it's unreasonable to ask anyone to spend thousands of dollars to continue storing documents that are useless to them.
SCO did not think $1,500/month was an unreasonable price between the 2000 settlement and six months ago. All this shows is that SCO changed their business model in October of 2002. That must be the date that they gave up fighting M$ and being a software compnay once and for all. This silly Linux suit came shortly thereafter.
Important evidence of Microsoft's anti-competitive behavior and longstanding hatred of free software is going to be destroyed. I imagine that the EU, which is also investigating M$ anti-trust, will not be amused and it's just one more reason to get away from M$ junk. They have to burn these records because they are lying to you.
Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.
They can store them at my house for a mere $500 a month.
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This has all ingredients of a banana republic.
Just auction it off on ebay.
"937 boxes of documents from the SCO vs. Microsoft case; you must register this with the appropriate judge, and may not destroy it, but you can have your own little piece of Microsoft dirt! This lot contains boxes #237-244. A digitized list of the contents of each box is as follows:..."
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Our "justice" system fails again. The proof of Microsoft's illegal actions should not be allowed to be destroyed. Rather pathetic nobody with the money has cared enough since this sad story first appeared on Slashdot to buy up the documents. But I said as much before. Gates will probably buy the TP so he can express his concept for the law.
Only 1400 lbs per bale, to be sold to the highest bidder. So....
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The company shredding these is called Recall Secure Destruction. Perhaps it is from this or this. The name graphics are the same.
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Do these documents just dissapear forever? Or does the gov't keep electronic copies? It seems very strange that all that information can just be destroyed. It does mention that Sun is scanning the documents but I would think the gov't should keep copies of everything.
The link to this artical is pointless. And a bad example of journalism. Yeah great, they're making toilet paper out of stuff from a law suit involving microsoft. This tells me nothing. As they say, the devil's in the details. Before approving this kind of thing in the future, you might want to wait until more credible content is available.
Thanks for the info. I work for a state agency in the world's 5th/6th largest economy and our legal department made us keep hardcopy records because they erred in stating digitized copies could not be used as evidence in future cases...guess that simply means that government rarely hires the sharpest tools in the shed... :)
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...when we need them?
Software is as important as anything else. Any legal action will be rendered successless by M$' money. I can't help, but I believe that terrorism will become the common way to express the will of the people since every other way is blocked by large companies.
Don't give me any examples about how to do this in a legal way. You'll make me just laugh...
- SCO attacks Linux.
- Microsoft supports SCO by paying them a lot of money for their patents, at the same time validating SCO's lawsuit.
- SCO destroys evidence that Microsoft is a monopolist.
...that wipes you.
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This idea occurred to me that there may be some outcomes that MS does not want discovered. The SCO suit could backfire in a very large way into MS-land. Not an outcome they would want.
Any takers on the idea that the SCO "license" could be as temporary as the Corel cash infusion and quick withdrawal?
MS - promises a great ride, but pulls out too quickly.
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What are you talking about? The whole point of Andy's appology was that the bugs are elswhere and what a great company M$ is to get along with anyone. It was pure appology and bullshit. If you follow the link I provided, you will see that Microsoft intentionally broke their competitor's code to eliminate them. This is a direct refutation of much Microsoft bullshit, from Microsoft own mouth.
Let's quote a few chunks for you:
Microsoft's David Cole emailed Phil Barrett on September 30 1991: "It's pretty clear we need to make sure Windows 3.1 only runs on top of MS DOS or an OEM version of it," and "The approach we will take is to detect DR DOS 6 and refuse to load. The error message should be something like 'Invalid device driver interface."
Brad Silverberg, the Microsoft exec who had been responsible for Windows 95, emailed Jim Allchin (now Senior Vice President of MS) on September 27th 1991: "after IBM announces support for dr-dos at comdex, it's a small step for them to also announce they will be selling netware lite, maybe sometime soon thereafter. but count on it. We don't know precisely what ibm is going to announce. my best hunch is that they will offer dr-dos as the preferred solution for 286, os 2 2.0 for 386. they will also probably continue to offer msdos at $165 (drdos for $99). drdos has problems running windows today, and I assume will have more problems in the future."
Jim Allchin replied: "You should make sure it has problems in the future. :-)".
Andy Hill emailed David Cole, Windows group manager: "Janine has brought up some good questions on how we handle the error messages that the users will get if they aren't using MS-DOS. The beta testers will ask questions. How should the techs respond: Ignorance, the truth, other? This will no doubt raise a stir on Compuserve. We should either be proactive and post something up there now, or have a response already constructed so we can flash it up there as soon as the issue arises so we can nip it in the bud before we have a typical CIS snow-ball mutiny."
The point of all this is not to blame M$ for things that go wrong, it's that you can't ever rule it out. Microsoft is a dishonest company and you are better off having nothing to do with them at all. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. One such incident was good enough for me.
Even still, the moitves, depth of malice and planning is shocking. You have to wonder what goodies Caldera dug up are now going into toilet paper. It's apparent that Microsoft not only lied about what they were doing, they got others to lie on their behalf. The findings of fact on the Netscape trials showed that nothing at Microsoft had changed since they disposed of OS/2, DRDOS and other competing OS. Only a fool would countinue to trust them or their software for their business recoords.
Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.
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GEEZ man.. READ THE FREAKIN' ARTICLE, not the first line before posting your rant, and especially before you speak ill of Andy and DDJ.
The article is an extremely incriminating analysis of Microsoft and alludes to some vicious monopolistic strategies by the Evil One. He NOT condoning MS or their actions as you concluded from your detailed analysis of the first paragraph.
He's pointing out some really scary, underhanded things that MS has done in the past. I would suggest that ALL Microsoft supporters read this article to really see what a monopoly can get away with.
-Fatty
Uh, no it was the sixth or seventh paragraph. It contained the spirit of the whole article and also admitted to the reader that the author is a paid defendant of Microsoft.
The article is an extremely incriminating analysis of Microsoft and alludes to some vicious monopolistic strategies by the Evil One. He NOT condoning MS or their actions ...
No it's not incriminating. Much doubt is cast on others, the harm done is downplayed and intent on Microsoft's part is dennied. His little write up stands as a wonderful example of M$ double talk. Microsoft's emails, on the other hand, were incriminating in exactly the way Andy said could not be proved. His caution, in hindsight, looks like a paid oppinion from Microsoft.
I would suggest that ALL Microsoft supporters read this article to really see what a monopoly can get away with.
Yes, people who "support" M$ should be indoctrinated this way. People who want to know what Microsoft is really thinking and planning for them should read Microsoft's email.
Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.
Everybody loved John Lennon, and yet he got killed.. But for Bill.. I guess the more you are hated the longer you live.. and richer..
The Bush Administration views antitrust laws as only applying to "clear cases of price fixing", ignoring all other anti-competitive practices.
Expect to see more cut throat business practices from Microsoft and others. Expect to see runaway monopolies, corporate mergers and takeovers on a grand scale. Expect to see the further concentration of capital in the hands of few. Expect the furthering desctruction of labor unions and the middle class.
This is the new robber baron era. Big Business has won. Corporate lobbyist and special interest groups are so far up the government's ass, they are one and the same.
Where are you Teddy Roosevelt? We need you.
"Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people. To destroy this invisible government, to befoul the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of the statesmanship of today."
-- President Theodore Roosevelt 1906