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Ballmer Sells Part of his Stake in Microsoft

An anonymous reader writes "The Financial Times reports that Steve Ballmer has sold part of his MS shares (my early morning math isn't very good, it seems a shade under 10%). Short of cash? Parking tickets? Or the start of a strategy to get rid of it all without causing too much upset in one go? No idea, but speculation is sure to be with us for a while."

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  1. I don't feel that bad by arsenicnet · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Sure, he's a billion dollars richer, but he's still got some 400 million shares. must be nice

    1. Re:I don't feel that bad by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Capital gains taxes are already pretty much flat.

    2. Re:I don't feel that bad by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm sure he can afford to hire accountants to ensure that he uses the optional LIFO method of determining his basis. In other words, he's going to match all these shares he's selling with those purchased under his stock option plan during the bubble, and this is going to go down as a huge capital loss!

  2. This is nothing new by vidarh · · Score: 5, Insightful
    All of the top brass at Microsoft regularly sell off parts of their shares. Gates has been doing it for years, at a relatively regular pace.

    The thing is, most of the upper management of Microsoft that have been with the company from early on have most of their wealth in Microsoft shares. The problem is that they have to sell it off slowly or they wouldn't manage to get a decent price for it.

    1. Re:This is nothing new by capt.Hij · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Exactly! Why is this news? The whole point of giving stock options is for the company to compensate their people without paying for it directly. Folks like Balmer have to sell some time, and there is no reason why he should wait until he dies.

      Also, there is an old saying when it comes to exec's selling and buying shares. There is only one reason to buy but a multitude of reasons to sell. Perhaps he justs wants some extra pocket money?

    2. Re:This is nothing new by xswl0931 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Considering that he has almost 500 million shares and he hasn't sold a single one in 10 years, perhaps, he just wants to diversify? (which any financial minded person will tell you is a Good Thing).

    3. Re:This is nothing new by rnd() · · Score: 2, Insightful

      which means he is a risk taker. He must not consider Microsoft likely to have the same kind of meteoric growth that it did. That's fine, Microsoft is a mature company now, and is not in the same situation. Ballmer would probably rather have his money invested in a few higher risk enterprises. If he does this successfully, he can buy back three times as many MSFT shares as he just sold with the proceeds.

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    4. Re:This is nothing new by Daniel+Phillips · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Exactly! Why is this news?

      Do you know what happens when a ship starts to sink? The rats start to jump off, that way they don't get sucked down with it. (Rats are excellent swimmers.)

      So you see, the news is really about the rats. It's news because of the size of the rats, how high they're jumping, and which ship they're jumping off of.

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  3. This would be a good time to buy MS stock by bigsexyjoe · · Score: 5, Insightful
    He increased supply and this will worry people and cause them to sell too.

    Like it or not, Microsoft is doing fine. They have good profits for the forseeable future. His claim that he just wants to diversify is completely plausible. I'm sure his portfolio is disproportionatelyMicrosoft.

  4. Software business model crisis by KingRamsis · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Or the start of a strategy to get rid of it all without causing too much upset in one go

    don't we all just wish so here on /. ?

    actually all indications show that the current software business model cannot be sustained during the next decade, there are hardly any valuable commercial software without an equivalent open source nephew even if not so-ready today but it is promising (remember how Linux itself started?).
    IBM, Oracle, and Microsoft are all stretching this business model to the maximum but the end is coming sooner or later, I think in the future the only valuable commodity in the IT business will be services not licensing commercial software or being so desperate and try to force people to license your IP (SCO).
    lets take Microsoft case their revenue is earned mainly from bread & butter Office Suite being challenged by OpenOffice and the desktop which Linux is getting there fast, they are trying to grab a share of the enterprise market by promoting SQL Server 64-bit kicking against market titans like IBM and Oracle, and with .net just barely leaving the vaporware category to face more established Java (btw Java is not perfect but it was simply there first).
    Add global reduction on IT spending to one Microsoft screwing there customers by outrageous license costs and terms and you get yourself a recipe for a loser.
    It seems that "the road ahead" has a road block for Microsoft and they don't know "where do they want to go Tomorrow.

  5. Re:long term mandatory growth problems by vidarh · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Any publicly listed company has a DUTY to their shareholders to increase the shareholders investments as rapidly as possible. Microsofts' only justification for holding on to all the cash they do, for instance is that they claim to produce better shareholder value by reinvesting the money than by paying dividends.

    But the main reason Microsoft ust keep stock options valuable is that they don't pay very well, and they compensate for that by diluting shares by issuing stock options regularly instead. As long as their share price keeps sky rocketing this is a good deal for everyone involved. However as soon as the share price is flat or falling, Microsoft massive stock options issuing risks causing further share price decline, and the low value of the stock options makes it less attractive for top people to work at Microsoft.

    Their alternative if they can't sustain massive growth is increasing salaries and bonuses, and that will cut dramatically into their profit margins, which certainly will further damage their share price.

    It's an extremely high risk strategy on their account - as long as they can grow, they look extremely good to investors. The moment they can't sustain it their problems will quickly multiply thanks to their dependence on rapid growth.

  6. Re:10% by moehoward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    He had close to a half billion shares, and he sold 40 million of them.

    It is a drop in the bucket of total MS shares, which yahoo shows as 9 billion shares (float).

    Again, the entire story should be modded down as flamebait.

    The next slashdot story on MS will be that someone got a bad piece of chicken at the MS employee cafeteria: "MS Attempts to Poison Employees to Avoid Layoffs"

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  7. Re:not only the president.... by RoLi · · Score: 4, Insightful
    So true, so true...

    Actually Gates and Ballmer constantly sell shares, ironically at a higher rate since the stock collapse (MSFT used to cost 120$, now it's 50$ (or 25$ after the split)

    Microsoft executives know that Microsoft has a lot to lose and not much to gain. The only market where they are strong (the desktop) they have no room to grow, everywhere else they are losing (servers, embedded systems, gaming consoles).

    Microsoft, the stock will certainly go down in the next years.

  8. Re:This is on the news? by Angry+White+Guy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Microsoft hitting rock bottom is more related to fantasy than anything else. A company with $40 Billion in the bank is essentially isolated from any kind of market failure, unless it's prolonged over five or so years. Microsoft could easily put everyone on vacation for a year, take a marginal stock hit, and then buy everything back. The company will still be there when everyone comes back, and still would be a good investment.

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  9. this is 100% non-news by verch · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is par for the course. All CEOs do it. This story just made it to /. since its Ballmer and, well, if he took a dump people would try and tie it back to MS being evil. Larry Augustin sold 100k shares a the end of February, nobody posted that. Matt Szulik sold 500k shares at the beginning of the year and Mcnealy sold almost 5 million in April. Nobody cared about those. Sorry folks, Ballmer just has a smart financial planner, this doesn't mean MS is doomed.

  10. Re:not only the president.... by fobbman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not true. While Gates sells stock almost weekly, Ballmer hardly ever sells stock, according to this blurb.

    Of course, this could have been written by a NY Times journalist so take it with a grain of salt.

  11. Diversification by John+Hasler · · Score: 4, Insightful

    > No idea, but speculation is sure to be with us for a while."

    None of which will take into consideration the possibility that he is simply diversifying his holdings as all financial advisors tell us to do. Do you have all your savings invested in your employer's stock?

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  12. Re:not only the president.... by f97tosc · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Microsoft executives know that Microsoft has a lot to lose and not much to gain. The only market where they are strong (the desktop) they have no room to grow, everywhere else they are losing (servers, embedded systems, gaming consoles).

    This is true.

    Microsoft, the stock will certainly go down in the next years

    This may very well not be true, because predictions of the future are built into the current market price. (If you don't believe me, put your money were your mouth is and start short selling.)

    Tor

  13. Re:I agree, but I have to ask - why does he work? by moehoward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Steve Ballmer was not an "official" founder, but he was a buddy of Bill and Paul from pre-MS days. My guess is that they feel he should have been a founder.

    Also, he's on the board of directors.

    And as to your last troll of a question, they do it for the same reasons geeks stay up all night writing code for open source projects. It's not about the money for either Ballmer or Linus. But my guess is that my previous sentence will be enough to get me modded all the way down to hell. Make it so...

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  14. Time to burn some karma by Omkar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Only the most deluded Linux fanatics think MS is going the way of the dodo.

    1. Quality doesn't always determine purchases. (Ex: Consoles - IMO, Nintendo has the best games around)

    2. MS produces decent software - not amazing, but pretty good. They make great UIs, and that's what helps the average user.

    3. MS is powerful. They'll bully and bribe their way to domination, as they have done in the past.

    4. Finally, MS hires passionate people (well, I know they did a few years ago). These people are not going to stand still.

  15. Re:long term mandatory growth problems by benzapp · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Any publicly listed company has a DUTY to their shareholders to increase the shareholders investments as rapidly as possible.

    This is a common, modern misconception. When you buy stock it is a like a loan. The companies are supposed to pay you a percentage of their profits. These are called dividends.

    If you invest with the express purpose of buying low and selling high you will fail.

    This is of course the problem today. People used to pay higher prices for stocks because it was perceived they would pay big dividends. Now, comapnies (like Microsoft) don't even pay dividends (which is illegal).

    People bid up worthless pieces of paper.

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  16. Re:I agree, but I have to ask - why does he work? by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I wasn't trolling. It was a serious question.

    Ballmer is a family man. He has kids. If you were in his shoes, wouldn't you want to spend more time with them?

    Or, having experienced the highs of corporate management, wouldn't you want to experience life to the fullest? Learn how to scuba dive, paraglide, fly a helicopter, race a Formula One car, trek across the Andes, climb Mount Everest or swim with dolphins?

    There is life after Microsoft, many of the company's earliest employees have experienced it, but why not Ballmer? OK, he's obviously driven and loves his work, but what's the point of having billions if all you have to show for it is the number of zeroes on your bank statement?

    Life isn't a trial run. You only get one shot. This is a guy who could do almost anything. So, why isn't he?

    I know if I had even a thousandth of his net worth you'd never see me in an office ever again. I'm sure all but a handful of sane people would say the same.

    Oh well, to each his own.

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  17. Re:The question would be... by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 3, Insightful
    To whom has he sold this stock?

    Indirectly, probably your pension firm, your building society, the bank holding your variable interest rate savings account...

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  18. Which means.... by mindstrm · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Maybe he wants to have some guaranteed cash when he retires, no matter what happens to microsoft?

    He's not doing anything different than many other investors with many other companies.. he's selling stock at a profit to get cash.

  19. Re:I agree, but I have to ask - why does he work? by mindstrm · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Because private islands are BORING. Having everything just becuase you have money is BORING. There is no challenge to it, life ceases to have meaning.

    Oh, I'm not saying that I wouldn't live in the lap of luxury if I were that rich.. but simply existing and being wated upon would not be a satisfying life.

  20. Re:not only the president.... by sirshannon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I spoke to a banker a few months ago (I live in a banking city) and he explained to me that Stock Brokers are supposed to be seen in the same light as used car salesmen. He said it wasn't always the case but is now and that all consumers should know that and, if they don't, then it is their fault, just as if they believed everything a used car salesman told them.

  21. Re:not only the president.... by cyberformer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Gates has to sell if he wants to buy his billionaire toys or donate money to chariy: Almost all his famed wealth was originally tied up in MS stock, so the only way to get at it is to sell. To avoid claims of insider trading, and to smooth out the bumps, he sells a little bit pretty much all the time. If he unloaded even 1% at once, the shock would severely hurt MS's stock price, just because of supply and demand, never mind (justified) thoughts that he must have some inside info.

    Dancing Boy is different. MS alrady pays him a 7-figure salary, so he doesn't really need to sell in the way that Gates does. Unless he's got a huge tax bill, gambling debt, ransom demand, etc. to meet.

  22. Re:Too much of a simplification by g4dget · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There are huge issues that go into market cap

    Yes: there is a lot of hype and gambling, and then there is actual value. And to discover how much of a stock's price is due to hype, you compare how much it actually earns for a given amount of money invested in it relative to other investments. That's the point of the comparison.

    and you really are looking at a longer term for stocks, not just one year.

    Maybe you are. Most investment managers aren't.

    Optimal investment strategies strike an optimal balance between the cost and risk of trading and the cost and risk of staying with a given portfolio. Given that trading has become very cheap, it makes sense to trade shares much more frequently than it used to.

    And even if you do think that its a good stock measurement then why not buy Philip Morris?

    You answered your own question: PM is an even higher risk investment than Microsoft. But Microsoft's lawsuits will probably become as vicious and pervasive as the tobacco lawsuits: not only will the monopoly lawsuits expand, you'll probably also get liability and patent lawsuits.

  23. Re:long term mandatory growth problems by Copid · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Thank you! Finally, somebody who understands that the only fundamental value in a stock is in the stream of payments provided by the corporation. Ask most people if they would consider buying a hypothetical stock that never paid dividends, and most people will say that they would, depending on what they thought the price would do. What the hell? Why should the price of ownership in a company ever go up if, as a part owner, you never get to share in the profits??

    I've come to the sad conclusion that people grow out of trading baseball cards and into trading stocks, and they don't bother learning the new rules.

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  24. Hardly any? by Craig+Ringer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    > there are hardly any valuable commercial software without an equivalent open source nephew

    Sorry to disagree, but there are a LOT. Perhaps you mean "high-volume off-the-shelf shrinkwrap software"? Here are a few that don't have anything vaguely approaching an alternative, some of which are shrinkwrap:

    - QuarkXPress/Adobe Indesign (No scribus doesn't count)
    - Adobe Photoshop (GIMP is good, but nowhere near pshop. No ICC profiles, no decent CMYK, lack of previews, slow).
    - Pongrass Classified Pagination (newspaper classified advertising booking & pagination system)
    - AutoCAD
    - Adobe Illustrator
    - Adobe Acrobat (no, I don't mean just distiller)
    - An AppleTalk server that's reliable and works properly with all mac apps
    - oodles of small-volume "solutions"-based customised software for industry-specific needs (ATEX, etc).

    When I start seeing /ports/ of those apps, I'll be more enthusiastic. We're using linux terminals at work for our sales staff already, and other than some word doc issues with OO.o it works very well. However, our prepress and production department would be simply impossible.

    1. Re:Hardly any? by KingRamsis · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes I totally agree, but we need to set our priorities straight, starting with the most generic most used packages and then diving towards the very specialized packages.
      OpenOffice affects tens (if not hundreds) of millions of users but something that is industry specific like Pongrass for example is out of the scope now.
      lets give it a decade and see.