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Sony Announces a Super Playstation 2, the "PSX"

Doctor_No writes "Sony has announced a souped-up Playstation 2 in Japan. The machine, named the "PSX", comes with 120GB hard drive and a DVD+/-RW for recording videos and DVR features much like Sony's Cocoon. The machine will be released sometime in 2003, and come with a service that offers multimedia content such as video and music through internet connectivity. If you live in Japan, it will also come with a BS tuner; which is a Japanese Satellite Broadcast tuner. The new machine also boasts a real-time OS, USB 2.0, Memorystick slot, and a connection with Sony's Portable handheld, the "PSP". UBS Warburg has an article here, but these two Japanese sites offer better information (albeit in Japanese); Watch Impress, ZDnet Japan. Here is a rather large PDF presentation."

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  1. Some excellent quality pics of the PSX by Dot.Com.CEO · · Score: 5, Informative
    Here.

    Beautiful...

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  2. English Translation... by cruppel · · Score: 4, Informative

    English versions of the japanese sites

  3. Re:Guesstimated timeline: by gfxguy · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually, with Sony, there's no need for step 2.

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  4. Re:Good naming strategy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Nope,
    the PSX was NOT the official name of the playstation 1. It was the prototype name of the coproduction with nintendo. So it's even more funny to name this product PSX ;)

  5. Re:RIAA/MPAA Nightmare by AKnightCowboy · · Score: 5, Informative
    Anyone foresee this problem?

    Unless Japan suddenly becomes the 51st state of the USA, no. RIAA/MPAA are American organizations. Other countries should tell them to buzz off.

  6. Re:i.Link/Firewire by sweeney37 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Sony in updated versions of the PS2 has already removed the iLink/Firewire port. It was in an earlier Slashdot article.

    Mike

  7. Re:Anyone notice this? by zwoelfk · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yes, the PS2 supports VGA. It always has. PS2/Linux users can use monitors (well, most monitors) no problem. However, there is no way for a developer to tell if VGA is connected. So no one bothers supporting it (Plus there's the whole it takes up more vram issue, of which the PS2 is lacking enough already). Currently, It'd have to implemented it in a menu option - meaning, you'd have to plug in a TV, select VGA, then go. I'd expect Sony to pull it at some point (for cost). I'm pretty sure they're pulling firewire. Z.

  8. real-time OS? by cgenman · · Score: 1, Informative

    Can anyone explain to me what a "real-time OS" is? Is the current playstation OS pre-generated? Are there programmers creating routines in the box as you play?

    1. Re:real-time OS? by NerdSlayer · · Score: 4, Informative

      Can anyone explain to me what a "real-time OS" is?

      real-time OS

      I'll be teaching remedial googling later.

    2. Re:real-time OS? by BJH · · Score: 2, Informative

      A realtime OS is one that guarantees a certain level of response time or latency - e.g., any system calls you make are guaranteed to return within a certain span, and no longer.
      That's hard realtime. Soft realtime is where the OS kind of provides a certain level of response time, but once in a while might go over that limit.
      The main reason that soft realtime exists is that it's a lot easier to build on anything more than rather limited or very specialized hardware.

  9. Quick translation of Watch article by BJH · · Score: 4, Informative

    Sony held a press conference on the 28th to present their 2003 corporate direction. President Kutaragi announced their new platform, the PSX. It is planned to be released domestically within the year, with a North American and European release following in 2004.
    The PSX uses the same chips and OS as the PS2. It will be a new platform providing not only gaming capabilities, but also containing a TV/BS analog tuner and delivering DVD recording functionality and acting as a 120GB HDD recorder.
    In addition to a slot-in type DVD+-RW/-R, it also has a Memory Stivk slot, an Ethernet port and a USB2.0 port.
    The company declared that they "aim to take advantage of the combination of electronics and gaming, and through the use of the most advanced semiconductor technology for game machines and a real-time OS, we plan to deliver this high quality, high speed response DVD/HDD recorder within the year."
    Kutaragi said the X is intended to indicate the machine's "crossover" role between digital home electronics and gaming, as well as show their enthusiasm for the "eXtreme" nature of this ultimate expression of the PS2 platform. He also provided a demonstration of the machine.
    In the demo, he displayed the machine's newly-developed interfaces, and showed it conducting video playback. He demonstrated the highly responsive menu system in an attempt to refute the reputation digital home electronics have for slowness. He explained, "we have been thinking about how far we can take the PS2 engine as a home electronics device, and we wished to demonstrate how much we can change digital home electronics by using this engine."
    In addition, he demonstrated the machine's interface as a photo server and discussed the machine's attractiveness as a digital media server.
    No details were given of the machine's implementation of I/O ports and recording methods, but regarding DRM, he said, "it is a very serious problem. Protecting the rights of copyright holders is important, but at the same time users desire to be able to enjoy (it) easily and conveniently." In order to fulfill these requirements, he explained that the latest DRM technology would be used. "We are thinking of including a signal in the analog output to prevent copying", he said, and regarding digital broadcasts, explained that "the industry has not yet come to a consensus, so we are intending to include a preliminary implementation."
    The PSX is not a product of SCEI, but rather the BroadBand Network Company, part of the main Sony company and headed by Kutaragi. There was no comment on the price.

  10. Re:Anyone notice this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    I own a Sony Linux Kit and I must say it's hardly "respectable." The distribution is based on a Japanese version of Red Hat 5.2 and has not been updated since. It runs the 2.2 kernel and there are NO efforts to upgrade. In fact the 2.2.23 upgrade was done by an independent group that was trying to make the PS2 an mp3 player for commercial purposes.

    I'll also remind anyone else that just because it has a VGA connection does not mean it will output games to VGA. Games are made specifically for NTSC and are unreadable to a VGA monitor. The game would have to be specifically programmed to support the VGA like with the Dreamcast VGA box and so far none of the PS1 or PS2 games made have this support.

  11. Re:RIAA/MPAA Nightmare by apetime · · Score: 5, Informative
    I think the RIAA and MPAA have nothing to worry about. In the Japanese article, they make clear that DRM is a main part of the design of this machine.


    Quick translation from the Watch Impress article:
    "Although the types of inputs and outputs on the PSX have not been made clear, they explained that copyright protection would be a main concern. They stated that such protection is very important, but they are aware that users want to use the machine freely, and the newest DRM technologies would be incorporated. 'We are considering including a signal in the analog output that would prevent copying.' They went on to explain that, since a consensus had yet to be reached regarding digital transmissions, that they would make it compatible with a tentative standard."

  12. 65nm process? by Katalyzt · · Score: 4, Informative

    the blurb from Sony talks about a 65nm fabrication process .. isn't that 0.065 um? i've lost of track of silicon nowadays but isn't that bloody tiny?

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  13. Wrong by Duds · · Score: 5, Informative

    Very creative, but utterly wrong.

    It's abbreviated to PSX because the Playstation is desended from the failed Super NES CD.

    Alongside the SNES add-on, Sony were going to launch their own "SNES CD" without a cart slot which would be called "Playstation X". The product name stuck right up until the launch of the 32-bit box of tricks we now know when the X was dropped.

    But the apprev stuck.

  14. Re:You *want* Lock In? by Strepsil · · Score: 2, Informative

    There are non-Sony Memory Sticks, and as for devices - there certainly are third party readers (mainly all-in-one USB devices for every format under the sun) so Sony can't be too mean about letting people use the format.

    Look, I really do agree that it'd be nicer if they went with something like CompactFlash, but the main thing that really mystifies me is that they've got this whole Memory Stick thing going on, but didn't use it in one of the most obvious places.

  15. Re:RIAA/MPAA Nightmare by questionlp · · Score: 5, Informative
    Japan has their own version of the RIAA called JASRAC, who has been actively encouraging Japanese labels and distributors to use copy protection on their crippled unCD releases.

    I'm not sure if or what Japan's version of the MPAA is.

  16. The original PS1 by yerricde · · Score: 2, Informative

    Ever heard of USB?

    Yes, the PlayStation and Xbox both have USB, but do the first-person shooters for those consoles let me use a keyboard and mouse plugged into the console? Or should shooter fans stick with a PC?

    The "original" PS1 was a Japanese SNES with a CD drive.

    Was that ever sold to the public? From what I read in Nintendo Power and elsewhere, Nintendo dropped out of that project before it was completed after seeing how Sega CD developers failed to explore what the CD-ROM format could do other than streaming background music and FMV.

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  17. Re:120Gigs??Sweet! by SScorpio · · Score: 2, Informative

    It should be a 40GB Maxtor drive like the HDD released in Japan, and the ones that come with the Japanese, US, and Europe Linux Kits.

  18. Re:Odd decision by cbuskirk · · Score: 2, Informative

    The Chritsmas before last, the PSONE outsold both the XBOX and the GameCube. Sony will be selling PS2 derivitives for years after the PS3 comes out.

  19. Pictures of the "PSX" in action by doctor_no · · Score: 4, Informative



    Here are some pictures of the PSX's main menu screen taken from a news
    segment that Fuji television in Japan aired (Quiter
    and ZDnet).

    The images show how you will be able to navigate content stored on your
    HDD, DVD, as well as content offered from online places like Sony Music.
    The menu offers 3D "Jog-style" navigation. The article also has a quote from
    Sony executives saying that the PSX will be the "Home Server" for it's consumers
    and be a global product (with releases scheduled in the US and Europe).

  20. Re:Confusing? by BJH · · Score: 2, Informative

    Nah, puresute is just another Japanese contraction - puresuteshon = puresute. 99% of the people using it don't consider it to be derogatory.

  21. A pessimists view by kamapuaa · · Score: 4, Informative
    To be a little pessimistic about it: Sony is posting huge losses. Their hardware business has been a big money loser, and the PS2 hasn't been as profitable as the PSX. Their profits are coming from American media companies they bought at the height of the bubble - and even their music company hasn't been doing great lately.

    They're in a weird situation where they can't release the cool new devices for listening to music and video that other companies are, because they're percieved as encouraging piracy, and movies & videos is where Sony makes the money. Sony MP3 players suck because of the hostile DRM check-in/check-out system. Even minidisc.org peoples (a cult audience for sure) are ready to ditch MDs, frustrated by having to workaround the check-in system, and that you can't upload (when many MD users like bootlegging)

    This (and more especially, the PSP) seem like an attempt to use the insanely positive perception of their Playstation to piggyback onto other formats - for instance, the PSP will be released at the same time as a media player, which plays music/video off the little discs.

    By itself, the PSP shouldn't be a good format - you can't record to it, it doesn't have the information of a DVD-Audio or SACD, and by the time it comes out, smart media cards will be both smaller and hold more information. Sony's hoping people buy the PSP and its audio discs because they like that it's Sony, rather than quality of the product, and the dominant format will be a DRM one.

    This new product seems like it will be one of many by the time it reaches America - except, it'll have tighter DRM, and Sony controls it. A hard drive and a DVD writer. A start-up company could release one of these next month.

    Personally I don't think either scheme will work - it's more a desperate move by a company that's doing bad business, has promised in two years to do amazing business (a promise recieved skeptically by analysts), and has its hands tied by conflicting interests in its unprofitable hardware business, and its profitable software business.

    I'm not a Sony expert or whatever, but I have friends who work for Sony Japan, I read minidisc.org, and one can't help but hear about them. The general positivity of this discussion is annoying. Sony is no better than the often-targetted MS, they just have better marketing.

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