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Mozilla 1.4 RC1
Mister.de writes "Mozilla 1.4 RC 1 is out. We've added lots of features and fixed lots of bugs since Mozilla 1.3. Help us shake it down in preparation for Mozilla 1.4 final. More information is available in the release notes. Mozilla is an open-source Web browser, designed for standards compliance, performance and portability."
He actually explained to us what Mozilla is on Slashdot. Priceless. =)
In any event, I'll do my part in bug testing since I am not smart enough to contribute useful code myself. I love the open source model: even though everyone isn't a computer scientist, we can all still do our part in making a terrific program.
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I really don't think it's necessary to announce every release cnadidate when there will likely be a couple. Alpha/beta/final? Great. RC's? Eh.
Excellent. This was the only reason I kept a copy of explorer around. Now to see if it works. :)
He actually explained to us what open source is on Slashdot. Priceless. =)
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If the next release is to be based on Firebird and Thunderbird, that is separate components instead of the suite, call the thing 2.0.
It's a huge change in the code base, it's a huge change in the user interface, just call a spade a spade and release it as 2.0.
What is the rational for calling it 1.5? That'd be more confusing, in my opinion, than letting everyone know "Hey, big changes here. Check it out."
Do everyone a favor and call the release after 1.4 2.0.
obviously no deficiencies vs. no obvious deficiencies
This gets rid of the major bug that prevented me from installing 1.4beta on my windows box. Good to see all the bug fixes and feature improvements. Unfortunatly the 1.4final release is likely to be one of the last for the Mozilla suite. I know a lot of the devs like the more componentized Firebird series but as an end user I love the suite. Guess I'll just have to suck it up and get used to it =)
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"Does Netscape Deal Mean 'Game over' for Open-Source Browsers?"
http://www.newsfactor.com/perl/story/
Microsoft pays AOL 750Mil for killing Netscape. Gives 7 year license to use Microsoft Internet Explorer:
http://news.com.com/2100-1032-1011296.
No, they're hoping to do that in Mozilla 1.5.
I've never even used the Web, you insensitive clod!
Ahem.
Perhaps someone from the Mozilla project will read this...
I notice that there's an IRIX version of Mozilla available from the nightly build collection, yet there is no IRIX version on the offical releases page. I know SGI maintains a port of IRIX on their OSS and freeware sites, but these are usually out of date. I think it would be nice to see an IRIX download of the final releases on the actual Mozilla site. If the hardware already exists to build the nightlies, I wouldn't imagine it would take much time or effort to build and tar up the final versions for download as well.
Or at the very least, how about add the links to SGI's two download sites to the Mozilla release notes. OpenVMS is even listed!
Just my $0.02. I've been using the nightlies for a few weeks now and am very happy with the progress that has been made since Mozilla 1.0.
But Safari > MSIE
You're right, I wouldn't steal a car. But if it were possible, I sure as hell would download one!
Unfortunately Microsoft will change how NTLM authentication works soon because of this, and the Mozilla team will be forced to change Mozilla to meet these changes, and the process will repeat, just like with aspects concerning samba, and then I might change myself to support the ability to convey my thoughts without run-on sentences.
NTLM works, but not on 98. Works fine in NT and 2k. So to say it works is a little disingenuous. And yes, I did post this to bugzilla.
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Probably the coolest change of all in this release, is the ability to build Mozilla for Windows using only GCC! Whoo hoo! No more VC++ crap! Can we get a build for Cygwin/XFree86 next? That way those of us forced to use Mickeysoft can go all Unix software!
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From the release notes: .exe files
"Launch file" after downloading has been enabled for
Isn't this taking IE emulation a bit too far!
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I might have to read over the Mozilla Roadmap again, but 1.4 will be the last release based on the XPFE-based Navigator, and will replace 1.0 as the stable release. And starting with 1.5 it will be based on Firebird, which is XUL-based browsr?
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I'm posting with my fresh and shiny 1.4 RC1, and I have to say that the subjective speed is increased significantly over 1.4 beta.
It feels on par with opera now...
Congrats to the mozilla team
Btw... why is RC1 announced on slashdot? wouldn't it make more sense to kick their ftp servers in the nuts when 1.4 is finalised?
you mean, "Mozilla Firebird"? According to The Mozilla Branding Strategy: When referring to Thunderbird or Firebird before or during the 1.4 release cycle, make sure to use the project name with Mozilla pre-pended as "Mozilla Thunderbird" or "Mozilla Firebird" instead of Mozilla alone or Firebird/Thunderbird alone.
and then Use the names "Mozilla Browser" and "Mozilla Mail" to describe the Firebird and Thunderbird projects after the 1.4 release.
Which I guess makes the old, Firebird-DB problem kind of moot, since after 1.4 there really will be no "Firebird" Browser, just "Mozilla Browser"
Your hair look like poop, Bob! - Wanker.
Wow.. although there is a problem when you upgrade it from previous version, but it's quite good.
:)
:)
The feeling of bulky and heavy program is gone.
It's very fast when it is being launched and it loads HTML pages.
Well... probably Apple's decsion of choosing KHTML over Mozilla affect this thing. Before the Apple's decision, Mozilla was bulky and slow. Mozilla people may noticed their problem and don't want to lose its anti-MS user base.
You are going to love this browser.
Work with various HTML pages better than the Safari also.
I looked at the latest release notes and didn't see anything about this being fixed. Anyone else experience this problem/have a solution?
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I thought mozilla was a database.
I don't need no instructions to know how to rock!!!!
Just another reason to metamod.
Please hurry and download the release candidate so the rest of us can have the final 1.4 tomorrow. Thank you for your cooperation.
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Firebird is NOT exactly a fork. According to the page (OK, I've read it somewhere, old phoenix's page, I think), to make a Firebird build they get the latest CVS Mozilla and patch only the interface code. This way, if some change in RC1 is deeper than interface, then it is automagically in the next Firebird. You can see this if you go to about:config in Firebird. You'll see (should I say legacy) options for about everything in Mozilla (mail/news, composer).
How the heck are RANDOM CRASHES an acceptable release time bug? Especialy with the many MANY users out there who have integrated ATI chips?
ah yes, and here is another good one. .
Err, I am NOT using 1.4 RC1 any time soon, I have OCD and I compulsivly click on white space on a website while reading it. (no, seriously. . .
If Mozilla is locked up but doesn't seem to have crashed, make sure there are no dialog boxes still open.
Ah, oh well, IE still has this one (thanks to Acrobat Reader "checking" for updates, which can be hard to spot behind ten gazzilion different IE windows open!)
Noooo comment. . .
Seriously, people, say it with me, s-t-a-b-i-l-i-t-y.
Oh well, it is RC1 for a reason. . . . hopefuly the final RC doesn't have any KNOWN crash bugs. . . . heh. . . . hopefuly. . . . (I really hate it when a software's suggested fix for a crash is "not to do that". Excuse me, but unless I hit the computer with a hammer, I expect it to WORK.
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Mozilla and Firebird both use the exact same engine - Gecko. And since Firebird is built off of the same trunk as Mozilla, the version, and hence capabilities, of Gecko are the same. Almost all of the differences between the Mozilla Application Suite and Mozilla Firebird (to use the correct terms) are UI and removal of non-browser components.
If all the world's a stage, anyone who says they want better lighting spends far too much time in a dark theatre.
It also isn't tied into many other aspects of my OS - upgrading or changing certain parts of Mozilla never makes me worry about how it might cripple something in my OS (like IE does). Mozilla doesn't have libraries that are integral to other applications. Mozilla doesn't have hidden code and obscure "features" that may or may not send my info to a particular vendor.
IE is "better"? Dream on.
There's been a lot of discussion about how Mozilla 1.4 will the be the last version in it's current form, as Mozilla 1.5/2.0 will be based on Firebird... Keep in mind that one of the goals for 1.4 is to replace 1.0.x (currently 1.0.2) as the stable distribution version. So while future versions will have drastic changes to the GUI framework, 1.4 will live on with small fixes for those that aren't needing or wanting the very cutting edge. Just as there are many current unix and linux distributors shipping 1.0.2 today, there will be many shipping 1.4.x a year from now. As for the version number discussion, my vote is to call the next version 1.5... I think the version 2.0 title should be reserved for a refined, heavily tested version of Firebird. Much like the extensive testing that went into the current flavor of Mozilla before 1.0 was released. Maybe I just don't like version number bloat...
one small bug with mozilla 1.4x and win xp is that when you try to save a file mozilla will add stuff to the file name, for example file.mpg will be saved as file.mpg.mpeg. that by itself isnt a problem but when you run across a file like file.avi.torrent mozilla insted of launching bittorrent will try to save the file as file.avi.torrent.avi which is a pain in the ass
I think that the main cause of the percieved speed difference (apart from the removal of Mail, IRC, and whatnot) is that the Phirebirdnix developers learned lessons from Mozilla's use of XUL, and wrote much cleaner code. That's what I've heard, anyway. :)
If all the world's a stage, anyone who says they want better lighting spends far too much time in a dark theatre.
Alternatively, buy one of the developers one of those cards, a case of beer, and promise him another case if he fixes it.
I'm absolutely thrilled with Firebird at the
moment. I've replaced IE on family member's
machines with it, and have the binary version
running on Gentoo. I have had 0 problems so far
with stability or website compatability. I only
wish some kind gent would role the ebuild for
the source so I can emerge it into Gentoo from
portage. I'm entirely too lazy to do such a thing
what with RTCW Enemy Territory taking up my free
time.
For every annoying gentoo user, are three even more annoying anti-gentoo crybabies. Take Yosh from #Gimp for example.
You were wrong. It's an application platform ... apparently.
Shop as usual. And avoid panic buying.
I completely concur that using 1.4 as the latest 'stable' makes sense, until the 1.5/2.0 version becomes tried and accepted as stable.
Release version numbering should follow major changes in the base code. The specifics listed thus far in this discussion reflect that this will be the case with Mozilla in it's next release (*Disclaimer* - I didn't spend time researching them myself, so I'm basing this comment on earlier comments in this discussion and understanding of Mozilla's development in general).
A classic example is Redhat, of course. With versions 6 and 7, the *.0 release was widely considered stable and tested enough for the typical end-user, but not for 'enterprise level' deployment, esp. on the server side. I have read many comments (and agree) that most businesses waited for a version *.1, *.2, or *.3 before migrating, giving the time necessary to fix any unforseen issues that didn't appear in normal testing.
I concur that a move to a version number of 2.0 is warranted when the change is made to Firebird. The 'refined, heavily tested' version cannot be made available until after the initial release (into production environments - testing will NEVER be able to account for all possible situations).
It will only effect netscape 7+, while mozilla is somewhat sponserd by aol (many netscape programmers put a lot of work into mozilla). even if aol pulled support for mozilla the oss community would just take on the project. A prime example of how opensource can actualy work
IE6 is actually faster, you just have to know how to tweak it, after turning off all the fade effects, eye candy, etc Windows XP runs quite a bit faster than 2k pro thanks to being built with a higher compiler optimization (P2 vs Pentium, makes a huge difference on an Athlon). It's also got like 100 fewer crash bugs, check the MSKB if you doubt it. I still say IE sucks compared to Mozilla and I only use it for those increasingly rare sites that require IE and even then I have to use crazybrowser to make it barable (it adds tab support and popup blocking by wrapping the IE rendering engine inside itself)
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if by pulling up front you mean has totally blown away i'd concur....
It's interesting that there have been no significant innovations from IE in several versions... I wonder if the codebase for IE is so confused that even a standard like tabbed browsing is too difficult to implement at this point without totally toppling an otherwise shaky product?
<input type crash> anyone?
1400x1250 in a 640x480 world...
If potentially getting absolutely buggy and alpha builds doesn't appeal to you, you won't want to download builds from latest/ - you'll want to download from latest-1.4/
Mozilla was my preferred browser on Windows longer than XP has even been released up until the early incarnations of Mozilla Phoenix started being released, but opinions are subjective.
I never cared much if it took an extra few seconds for the browser to start and I put more weight on being able to read what I want from a web page and move on than on total rendering time.
In addition to tabs which have been around for a while, what really puts Mozilla browsers higher on my list than IE these days are:
1. When you remove cookies you have the option for them not to be accepted in the future.
2. The option to block all pop ups except for sites you have put in the list of accepted sites.
I don't see MS putting features like these in IE in the forseable future and when/if they do these features will probably be over engineered.
Later, Seeker
Silly me, I'll just crawl back into the server rack now. Unlike the kernel, it *is* an end-user product. The Mozilla team can go "it's just for testing" all they want, but it's not the truth. It is being deployed on Linux machines as the end-user browser.
If you remember the Mozilla 1.0 Manifesto, you'll see that one of the most important point of that release is: Personally, I would consider the separate browser and mail spin-offs as a completely unforseen development since 1.0, and that this would have been an excellent policy if they had continued on a unified tree.
However, what they are doing is changing Mozilla drastically, both in terms of structure, as well as the changes that have been made to the browser and mail components, and this is not a natural successor to the 1.4 release, rather a separate branch since 1.0 (or whenever these spin-offs started, haven't kept track).
To me, that suggest that the browser should have version 2.0. It would far more accurately describe it to the end-users you claim do not exist. Nothing would be easier than to specifically state that the XUL 1.0 API has *not* changed, and that all things working in 1.0 will continue to work perfectly in 2.0. The people that need to know (developers and whatnot) would care enough to find out that "nothing" has changed, while the people actually using Mozilla will be made aware that there's been a huge change.
Kjella
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This bug is particularly troublesome. It looks like the latest version of Mozilla hasn't addressed the problem. Any plans to make it possible to copy/paste data from the many Arabic and Hebrew sites?
I'm hoping the next version of Mozilla mail fixes the POP3 bug, where it's impossible to log on to certain POP3 servers that require the account name to be "@". Mozilla always sends just "" to the server and its impossible to tell it otherwise. The attitude of the developer in a bug report I saw was ridiculous. He sounded outraged that POP3 servers exist which require the domain name. There are many web hosting sites that require it. I hope they fix it...
This is hardly incremental. The inclusion of NTLM is a monumental advance. It means I no longer need to use IE on my intranet which uses NTLM for everything.
What! - No MP3 player? I'm shocked.
I don't know. Considering we have an entire category dedicated to Mozilla, it seems like we should be following the project through to its completion or death.
There's a bug that prevents awfully long slashdot pages from loading without making the browser freeze (especially when browsing -1). This makes mozilla pretty much unuseable for me since I spent a lot of time around these here parts.
I've switched to netscape 7, I hate to say, and it works great. Safari is still the leader for Java functionality, amazingly, outperforming IE and Moz and Netscape. For example, I can play yahoo games in Safari without my powerbook cpu fans firing up and load remains relatively low. With the others, cpu goes wild in java apps.
Anyway, the 'slashdot' bug with Moz sucks. I'll try 1.4 RC1 and report back. But I don't see the bug as fixed in bugzilla.
What I really miss in this open-source community is an IMAP/SSL alternative. I run this IMAP/SSL stuff at work, and I do have to say that its VERY slow. Sometimes connections times out and stuff like that. But the most irritating problem is that the IMAP standard is only Client Side new-messages-checking, thus the client have to check each IMAP folder for new messages (I right click on them in Mozilla and check "check this folder for messages"). This is so sick, coz my users create new folders almost every day, and they have computers both at home and work.
:(
When some computer at home gets the new messages (using IMAP/SSL) they run filters on that message instantly, and moves them around. Thus I have to check EVERY folder at work if both computers are on-line at the same time. I hate it I hate it I hate it
So bring me some IMAP/SSL alternative, and a more server-side program like exchange.
Does BITTORRENT functionality finally let Mozilla support the evil bit?
before you dl next time check out the roadmap table near end of page to see the estimated dates for the next release.
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You know, these days I need it explained to me what Mozilla is. Are they talking about the full Mozilla suite with the chat/mail/news thingy, or are they talking about just the browser?
I realise 'just the browser' is referred to as Firebird, but the website says the long term aim is to name it 'Mozilla browser'. Which no-one will use, and which will be immediately shortened to simply 'Mozilla'.
I appreciate that you were making a joke, so I don't want this to come across as a missing-the-humour post, but I just thought it was worth mentioning that name 'Mozilla' on its own is getting increasingly confusing these days.
Cheers,
Ian
Hmm. It may be designed for these goals, but does it actually meet any of them? It's fairly portable, but I wouldn't like to have to defend the other two claims...
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Please don't discourage him. The editors could learn something from him. I'm sick of articles of the sort: "Foobar gets AutoFrotzing" where Foobar is an obscure kernel module or some video game and frotzing is something you would only have heard of if you had been following that module or video game yourself.
nope, an OS, just like emacs, only prettier, and with uglier system language
Software should be free as in speech, but if we also get some free beer, all the better.
ex: block all from http://www.whatever.com/ads/* so that I can still get everything from that server except whatever is in the ads directory ;-)
Mozilla Firebird will be like a "build your own" browser where you can choose from a lot of add ons without adding bloat to the core browser for everyone.
While I might like to add bittorrent, I don't see any reason for my neighbor, grandma, mom, dad, cousin, uncle, aunt, etc etc... to have that included in their browser be default. Bittorrent is hardly a widely accepted standard on the web at this point, where as FTP is used regularly on websites for downloads (such as Cnet, ZDNet -- okay so Cnet and ZDnet are owned by the same people... lol-- and most other sites w/ files for download
In fact, I hope they strip most components that are unneccessary for normal browsing out of the browser and offer them as add-ons instead.
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Well, I don't know about you, but for me personally, mozilla does indeed live up to the claims of compliance, performance and portability, in the form of firebird. Firebird is so fast that if you set nglayout.initialpaint.delay to 0 in about:config (type in the url bar) it will actually seem faster than IE (by mimicking the IE behaviour of displaying the page as soon as data comes flowing in over the wire). Ofcourse, setting that to 0 will increase actual page load times on a lot of machines due to redundant painting activity, but that's a tiny detail.
By far the best browser on OS9 is Mozilla 1.21, but a lot of things were broken on 1.21, especially Mail. Would it really be that hard to merge in all the improvements that have been made since then and release 1.4 for OS9? I'm sure I'm not the only person in this position, forced to run OS9 on my office computer. In fact, I'm almost sure there are more people in this boat than there are HP-UX users... so what gives?
before you dl next time check out the roadmap table near end of page to see the estimated dates for the next release.
Considering AOL and MS have smoked the peace pipe, I'm not any too certain that roadmap is going to be valid much longer. If AOL is going to be using IE as the basis of their userland software, goodbye funding for Mozilla.
Writing some HTML/javascript, then hitting to save button, only to find it hasn't worked - because it didn't save it!!!
Copy and pasting. Sometimes that doesn't work at all!!
If you have a large space in between text paragraphs, not being able to delete the spaces
Not being able to change the font sizes
The table editing form has taken to "jumping" whenever I select an option, or save/cancel the edits
OK I know that Mozilla is primarily a browser, and composer is essentially a bolt on extra, but it's handy for knocking together some web pages quickly and being able to preview the results. at the minute i'm having to use something like notepad to make sure the code is saved and those spaces are deleted. Sometimes I'm even forced to open up frontpage (shiver!) just to get that pesky table deleted or resized...yes I know I can look at the code, but if you've got several tables nestled inside each other, or a 4 column, 20 row table, visually it's quicker...
Does anyone else have similar hassles with composer? The Mozilla team are doing a great job, Mozilla is by far (in my opinion) the best browser on the block, but if any of the Mozilla team are reading this, can you please sort out composer?
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But Safari > MSIE ;)
Well duh. Even Contiki > MSIE. :)
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I've tried and failed twice to migrate to versions of Mozilla above 1.2.1 without success. None of the new versions seem to like the older mailbox format. I never had trouble migrating the mozilla mailboxes prior to 1.2.1 - going from Mozilla 1.0.x to 1.1.x to 1.2.x went without a hitch. Anyone have any suggestions?
You can get selection ranges out of a text control with a 1.4 rc1 build...
I tried this as askslashdot, but was spurned. Is there any way to get my passwords out of Mozilla in a plaintext visable state? I have so many saved usernames/pw that I am feeling very uncomfortable that one day a file is corrupted and they are lost. It seems, though I'm not entirely sure, that simply backing up the data file is not a guaranty of resuablility on a clean install. Can sombody somebody who knows whats what with how pw manager works either point to a document or shed some light on this? Thanks
What's so hard about defending the claim for standards-compliance? Mozila is, by a very long shot, the most standards-compliant browser in existence. Internet Explorer has not-too-bad CSS and DOM support, but can't claim to support either as well as Mozilla does. There's also all the standards that IE doesn't even try to do right -- MathML, which is hugely important for those of us who use it, PNG, which IE only sort-of supports, XHTML, and SVG, even though it's off by default. These and many other open standards are supported natively by Mozilla, something that no other browser can claim to do (not even Opera or Konqueror/Safari).
As for performance ... Mozilla is actually very fast, in some ways. The Gecko HTML engine is one of the fastest around, and handles super-complex CSS positioning with ease. (Yes, KHTML and Opera can be faster, but this is partly because they don't support many of the more complex aspects of CSS).
Also, although the Mozilla integrated suite takes forever to start up, Firebird/Phoenix is a good deal faster, and Gecko front-ends like Epiphany for GNOME and K-Meleon for Windows start up fast enough that if you blink, you'll miss it.
And finally: "fairly" portable? C'mon, there is no other browser that's available for as many systems as Mozilla is. Ever tried to use IE or Opera on BeOS, Irix, OS/2, or OpenVMS?
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I discussed this with the Mozilla developers and they said they had never seen the issue, and that it must be something else on my machine.
So I downgraded to 1.3, and the problem went away. It's most definitely something to do with Mozilla 1.4b.
Has anyone else experienced this problem? And if so, does 1.4 RC1 have it?
I feel fantastic, and I'm still alive.
Another question: any news about XForms support?
Less is more !