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Mission to Harpoon Comet is Back on Track

An anonymous reader writes "The Rosetta mission planners have announced today that after an indefinite launch delay earlier this year, their goal of landing on a comet is back on track. Their new baseline target is a rendezvous with the comet, Churyumov-Gerasimenko, in November 2014. En route to the comet, Rosetta will inspect two asteroids (Otawara and Siwa) at close quarters."

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  1. Freedom Post (Fuck the French) by Fecal+Troll+Matter · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Afghanistan: Today it's a patchwork of local fiefdoms, mostly run by former militia leaders or warlords. The Taleban have regrouped in rural areas of the south, and there has recently been an upsurge in violence around the city of Kandahar. Many Western aid workers have left the area in fear for their lives.
    Osama bin Laden: Whereabouts unknown.
    Iraq: Reports of raw sewage flowing through the streets of Baghdad; Looting of cities have left hospitals without drugs and equipment.
    Saddam Hussein: Whereabouts unknown.
    Donald Rumsfeld: Like Han Blix, he only needed more time to uncover WMD. Now, during a speech in New York, he claims that Iraq may have destroyed these weapons before the invasion had begun.
    George W. Bush: Puppet? His core supporters, the Christian Right and hardline Republicans, are fervent supporters of the State of Israel. Despite promises during his original campaign to avoid Clinton's Middle Eastern follies, Mr. Bush travels to Jordan next week to meet with Israeli and Palestinian Prime Ministers. That being said, prepare for an end to "The War Against Terrorism" and make way for election 2004's "Peace in the Mid East or Die" reelection campaign.

    1. Re:Freedom Post (Fuck the French) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

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  2. sc3ond p1st by insomniac · · Score: -1

    sp nigga jigga what

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  3. and if they screw up... by TWX · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... and send the comet crashing into the earth, Lori Petty will rescue Naomi Watts, and they will fight against Malcolm McDowell and save us all from Water and Power!

    I think I need to turn off the TV and go outside now...

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    Do not look into laser with remaining eye.
  4. Relax... by BTWR · · Score: 1

    As long as Homer Simpson is right, comets could never hurt us, since they will ALWAYS burn up in the atmosphere.

    But just in case we need to shoot it down, we'll use Springfield as a calibration target for all global missile systems...

  5. Funften posten! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

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  6. Implications for Life development... by SkArcher · · Score: 4, Insightful

    is the main reason for this project. The "Dirty Snowball" theory of Biological beginnings could be given a comprehensive shot (in the arm or in the head), depending upon the results of this mission.

    *sighs*

    Only 11 years to wait for the data to come back, we could have been to Mars and back 3 times by then (and I hope we will have)

    The sooner we get ourselves (and more importantly, all our heavy, polluting industry) off this planet, the better.

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    1. Re:Implications for Life development... by GMontag · · Score: 1

      Great.

      You would think we would have learned after the Andromeda Strain, Alien, Aliens, Chariots of the Gods, . . .

    2. Re:Implications for Life development... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The sooner we get...all our heavy, polluting industry off this planet, the better."

      So it is OK to pollute other planets then? You are so gaia-centric!

    3. Re:Implications for Life development... by 73939133 · · Score: 4, Informative

      we could have been to Mars and back 3 times by then (and I hope we will have)

      We will have. There are several Mars missions in progress, including sample return missions (see here).

      However, if there were manned Mars missions planned, we wouldn't have any money left for all this neat science.

      The sooner we get ourselves (and more importantly, all our heavy, polluting industry) off this planet, the better.

      Going into space won't help with that. Conserving energy and resources, family planning, and other measures will.

    4. Re:Implications for Life development... by SkArcher · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, I'm in favour of Orbital industry (it makes no sense to put industry at the bottom of a gravity well, when most of where the results of that industry will be needed is in space anyway. Raw materials are also easier to come by in space (asteroids) and possibly in low G environments (Luna, moons of the gas giants)

      The way, I see it, Terra (i prefer the Latin terminology) is our one and only food producing eco-system. While it may be possible to grow crops in orbital greenhouse environments, it would be a lot more difficult, expensive and dangerous, besides taking up a great deal of bio-system resources (atmospheric controls, bio-containment of organisms found in soils and hydroponics, etc). It will be much easier to use Terra for food production and space for Industry.

      In addition to this advanced manufactuing techniques are already in development for zero-G industry, which are expected to lead to massive advances in materials science, pharmaceuticals and a number of other fields.

      Ultimately, I see the best course for Terra to relax and become the cultural, agricultural and tourism centre of the Solar system, movng Industry to orbit to preserve what is our only food source that does not require mechanical modulation.

      But hey, you can be in favour of polluting the planet and then starving to death or living on Soylent Green if you want.

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    5. Re:Implications for Life development... by Sparr0 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      However, if there were manned Mars missions planned, we wouldn't have any money left for all this neat science.

      Apparently someone hasnt kept up with Mars Direct which includes proposales that outline a viable real world plan for putting men on mars within a decade for a cost of less than $6B.

    6. Re:Implications for Life development... by 73939133 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Apparently, some people still believe in the tooth fairy, except that the suggestion that the US will manage to pull off any manned mission for $6B is even less plausible. Even if, by some miracle, that were possible, I think there are more useful space-related projects to spend $6B on.

    7. Re:Implications for Life development... by uncoveror · · Score: 1

      I hope Rosetta has better luck than CONTOUR did.

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    8. Re:Implications for Life development... by realmolo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You read way too much sci-fi, my friend.

      The reason we DON'T have orbital industry is that, as far as anyone can tell, there just isn't any point to it yet. There's nothing to DO in zero gravity that can't be done cheaper and easier here on earth.

      Mining asteroids is a good idea, but it's so far off, it's irrelevant.

    9. Re:Implications for Life development... by jdray · · Score: 1
      Well, the whole point behind the Mars Direct mission (and the Mars Society) is that it's not "the US" doing the project, but a private group, and an international one at that. Lots of volunteer hours are going into it, lots of universities are contributing to it, and lots of science is getting done.

      The other thing to consider is the economic value of a manned mission to Mars. Read Greg Benford's The Martian Race some time. It's a very plausible situation (and a good story).

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    10. Re:Implications for Life development... by Cunk · · Score: 1
      "The reason we DON'T have orbital industry is that, as far as anyone can tell, there just isn't any point to it yet. There's nothing to DO in zero gravity that can't be done cheaper and easier here on earth."
      So true. While getting a 200 lb. block of aluminum into place on a bed mill might be much easier, I cringe at the thought of coolant and chips uniformly filling the interior of my zero-g machine shop. Whatta mess.

      But then again, I suppose we could use ants for keeping things under control...
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    11. Re:Implications for Life development... by Art+Tatum · · Score: 1
      There are several Mars missions in progress, including sample return missions

      Yeah, coming back is a good idea. :-)

    12. Re:Implications for Life development... by Thing+1 · · Score: 1
      The way, I see it, Terra (i prefer the Latin terminology) is our one and only food producing eco-system. While it may be possible to grow crops in orbital greenhouse environments, it would be a lot more difficult, expensive and dangerous, besides taking up a great deal of bio-system resources (atmospheric controls, bio-containment of organisms found in soils and hydroponics, etc). It will be much easier to use Terra for food production and space for Industry.

      You're exactly right, that is if you don't take the continued advancing of technology into account.

      We'll have full-blown nanotechnology in 5-20 years. We'll be able to create boxes the size of your microwave, into which you shovel dirt, trash or used pinball machine parts, and press a button and it converts them into a steak, or any other food.

      Once we've got that we don't need plants or animals any more. Not that we should get rid of them -- but imagine, a future where to survive, we do not need to kill other living creates? I find it fascinating.

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  7. Tip for NASA by Da+Fokka · · Score: 4, Funny
    1. Re:Tip for NASA by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 5, Insightful
      one foot is 0.3049m

      You're off by one digit; if you aim for a comet 1 billion miles away, you're going to miss it by 100,000 miles.

      Plus, it's not that simple. You have to decide if you're using standard feet (.3048 meter) or U.S. survey feet (0.3048006096012 meter). You might still miss the comet by 600 miles.

    2. Re:Tip for NASA by reddish · · Score: 3, Informative

      Rosetta is an ESA project - metric system all the way. That doesn't guarantee a succesful Ariane-5 launch, unfortunately :-)

    3. Re:Tip for NASA by KewlPC · · Score: 1

      I don't see why they couldn't just keep the Arianne-4 in production untill all the problems with the Arianne-5 had been ironed out. Seems to me they were trying to fix something that wasn't broken.

    4. Re:Tip for NASA by pe1chl · · Score: 1

      Ah, there we have one clueless idiot again who cannot even SPELL the name of the thing and already knows it better!

    5. Re:Tip for NASA by KewlPC · · Score: 1

      Yeah, you're right. I accidentally put an extra n in there, so I must be the biggest fucktard ever.

      Anybody who reads pretty much any of the space/science news websites (like SpaceFlight Now) has at least heard of the problems with the Ariane-5.

    6. Re:Tip for NASA by MyPantsAreOnFire! · · Score: 1

      Or would you miss the comet by 965.6083312166016 kilometers? Gah!

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  8. Dumbest idea EVAR by unterderbrucke · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    As a rudimentary physics student, even I can tell you that if we harpoon this asteroid from earth, the asteroid will exert just enough force to pull earth out of it's orbit!

    Very simple
    F = MxA
    F = 194251kg X 30000 kmh
    F = 5827530000 newtons ASTEROID

    F = MxA
    F = 252415kg x 1500 kmh
    F = 38122500 newtons EARTH

    5827530000 > 38122500
    Force of Asteroid > Force of Earth!!!

    1. Re:Dumbest idea EVAR by ColdGrits · · Score: 2, Funny

      What?

      The Earth is ACELLERATING at 1,500 kmh^2?

      Are you absolutely sure about that? What force is acting upon teh Earth to cause it to accellerate so, pray tell?

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    2. Re:Dumbest idea EVAR by CptChipJew · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the Rosetta project involve orbiting a satelite around the comet, and not harpooning a comet with a landbased object?

      Now that I think about it, how do you "harpoon" an asteroid anyways. Are we going to use a thick rope and a spear? Or is Moby Dicking it the wrong way to go?

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    3. Re:Dumbest idea EVAR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      uh, gravity man.

      Remember, acceleration is a vector. Thus, it's a direction and speed. The direction the earth is traveling through space is always changing, thus it's always accelerating.

      Although, yes it's speed (which is a scalar) is pretty much constant.

      High School Physics: Anything traveling in a circular pattern in always accelerating, although it's speed may be constant.

    4. Re:Dumbest idea EVAR by GMontag · · Score: 1

      There was a documentry about the old technique, but it didn't work well.

      If the Armegedon crew had used harpoons instead of that fancy jet thruster stuff everybody may have gotten back safely. Well, if they hadn't landed on that plate of iron too.

      Progress will not wait for you my friend.

    5. Re:Dumbest idea EVAR by RyatNrrd · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yes. Centripetal force. The Earth is constantly changing direction (as it orbits), which means its velocity (speed with direction) is constantly changing. Change in velocity / time = acceleration. The direction of acceleraton is towards the sun.

    6. Re:Dumbest idea EVAR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's called gravity.

      If we weren't accelerating, we'd be going in a straight line. Acceleration is a change in velocity, velocity is speed AND direction, so a change in direction counts. I.e. a circular orbit requires constant acceleration.

    7. Re:Dumbest idea EVAR by CausticWindow · · Score: 1

      The "harpoon an asteroid" idea is old as stone. Think it was Verne himself who cooked it up at one time.

      I'm not a hundred percent sure if it's doable, but I imagine you would need a cord with an extremely high tensile strength. Think space elevator material.

      Anyway, the benefits from asteroid harpooning would be enormous. Right now, we're running out of important elements here on earth at an alarming rate (things like platinum used in exhaust cleaning systems, and diamonds used in drilling rigs). Think of all the resources we could get from mining asteroids.

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    8. Re:Dumbest idea EVAR by bmckeever · · Score: 5, Funny
      There's this really big thing in the center of the Solar System that exerts a gravitational on the earth. I know it looks small from here (about the size of a quarter), but it's really big.

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    9. Re:Dumbest idea EVAR by grazzy · · Score: 1

      why would there be diamonds in comets? afaik plants -> oil -> coal -> diamonds.

      i'd like to see where you get plants on a comet..

    10. Re:Dumbest idea EVAR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      why would there be diamonds in comets? afaik plants -> oil -> coal -> diamonds. Wrong.

      Diamonds form in the throats of rapidly erupting volcanoes, from carbon deep in the Earth. If the carbon does not flow up a volcano, it's carbon->bacteria->methane->bacteria->oil->bacteria ->coal. (although I don't know how often the coal forms within rock layers, and how often oil/tar flow reaches the surface and is later buried).

      As carbon is in rocks, it is possible that diamonds could form during impacts. There also are some odd things that happen to carbon dust under extreme cold.

    11. Re:Dumbest idea EVAR by Doom+Ihl'+Varia · · Score: 1

      Coal and diamonds are just forms of carbon.

    12. Re:Dumbest idea EVAR by KewlPC · · Score: 1

      Except that asteriods probably aren't big enough to have an internal source of heat, in other words their insides are as solid and cold as their outsides. Therefor, no diamonds from lava flowing to the surface (because there wouldn't be any lava, nor any heat).

      This would leave large impacts as the only possible source of heat. There probably aren't very many impacts big enough to create the necessary heat and pressure without completely destroying the asteroid, making asteroid diamond deposits that are large enough to be worth the time and expense to harvest them very rare.

      Besides, doesn't it take heat and pressure over and extended period of time to create a diamond? Meaning that one asteroid hitting another would be over too quickly for diamonds to form?

      Or am I completely 100% off-base on this?

    13. Re:Dumbest idea EVAR by machine+of+god · · Score: 1

      Maybe they mean harpoon in the sense of what happens when you harpoon something much larger and faster than you...

    14. Re:Dumbest idea EVAR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, gravity is the force, it happens to be centripital in nature.

    15. Re:Dumbest idea EVAR by hesiod · · Score: 1

      > asteriods probably aren't big enough to have an internal source of heat

      Very true, but where did the asteroid come from? Could it have been at the center of an exploded planet (or debris from 2 colliding planets, whatever)? In that case, it would have had internal heat before and then was sent off into space. In that scenario, it would be more likely to have important metals/minerals, since it was at the center of a planet. Of course, it could have just as easily been a chunk right from the surface, but this is all speculation anyway.

    16. Re:Dumbest idea EVAR by hesiod · · Score: 1

      > Maybe they mean harpoon in the sense of what happens when you harpoon something much larger and faster than you...

      You start hurtling (sp?) along through space being tugged by a rock? That's what I thought of as I was reading the comments.

  9. Important Mission by JJ · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Comets coming from the Oort cloud contain the least contaminated matter from the start of the solar system. Exploring and sampling material from them actually answer a wide variety of questions including matters about the origin of life. Finding amino acids in the sample would imply that life on Earth was not self-generating.

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    1. Re:Important Mission by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      "material from them actually answer a wide variety of questions including matters about the origin of life"

      We all know the Christian God created everything, and anyone who disagrees is a heretic who needs to be burned at the stake!

    2. Re:Important Mission by tomem · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The catch is that it really isn't possible to rendezvous with a comet that has recently been in the Oort cloud. Those orbits are too eccentric so we are more likely to visit a pretty old comet that has been processed in the inner solar system for a long time and has settled into a relatively more accessible orbit.

      NASA aborted such a mission, the Comet Rendezvous Asteroid Flyby mission or CRAF, in 1992 after developing it for five years, in favor of the Cassini mission to Saturn and its moon Titan.

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    3. Re:Important Mission by js7a · · Score: 1
      It's also important to study the asteroids, because the only way off of the Earth is to hollow out an asteroid, build a thermos surface inside, get it spinning, fit it with nuclear power, and send it on a gravity assist route.

      Such ships will take multiple lifetimes to build, several dozen generations to travel in, multiple lifetimes to disembark, and they need to be good enough to be able to turn around and come back in the event of an un

  10. Some perspective on hooking a comet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll
    Do you know that 14,000,000 Ethiopians are going to starve to death this year? Should we even be thinking about harpooning a comet at a time like this? I support space exploration 100% but maybe we should take care of business here first. The starvation in Ethiopia is staggering and yet it gets hardly any attention. I wish there was a geek solution to this crisis.

    Aid agencies estimate 14 million Ethiopians are at risk of starvation after the worst drought in almost two decades. There is no official figure of how many people have already died from drought-related causes. It is guessed that the current death toll is already in the hundreds of thousands. Do you still want to harpoon a comet?

    It is criminal negligence that hundreds of thousands of Ethiopians have died due to lack of food during the current drought affecting Ethiopia. The comet can wait. We have some human brothers and sisters dying in Ethiopia who require our immediate attention.

    1. Re:Some perspective on hooking a comet by SkArcher · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Here is a bit of Higher perspective: The US government spends more than 10 times as much money on its military budget than on its science budget. This comet project could tell us important things about genetics, solar interference and mutation, and Evolution. This could lead to radical medical advances.

      Maybe the US should do some demilitarisation, because at the moment the US has the largest armed forces proportional to its total population of any country. It is unnecessary.

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    2. Re:Some perspective on hooking a comet by reddish · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you take this line of reasoning to it's logical conclusion I would expect you to sell your computer tomorrow and send a couple of bucks to the aid agency of your choice. Now *why* don't you do that? Think about it; then scale up 6 orders of magnitude - and there's your answer why we do things like this.

    3. Re:Some perspective on hooking a comet by arcite · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes people die. 32000 people die from preventable diseases every day. However, advances in space exploration is an imparative not an option. The ability to colonise the moon, mars, and space, mine comets, and extract resources is what is going to keep the human race around for thousands of years to come. So no, the comet cannot wait.

    4. Re:Some perspective on hooking a comet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No "radical medical advnaces" from this mission. The most interesting thing we oculd find would be amino acids, which we already have here on Earth. Nothing that will affect your daily way of life will come from this mission.

    5. Re:Some perspective on hooking a comet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
      Another death, even more tragic than the Ethiopian situation is occuring closer to home:

      It is official; Netcraft now confirms: *BSD is dying

      One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

      You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

      FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.

      Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

      OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

      Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

      All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

      Fact: *BSD is dying

    6. Re:Some perspective on hooking a comet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Flamebait
      Oh shove if up your pansy bleeding heart democrat ass. You liberals are all alike. If some colored person is starving then it's boo hoo hoo in your book. I wonder if you would be so f*cking concerned if it were a Norwegian or Scot who were starving? I think not. You democrats are all hypocrites.

      Why don't you sell your Volvo, Birkenstocks, and your collection of Negro CDs, bub? YOU send the proceeds to Ethiopia. YOU can make a difference with YOUR own assets. Lead and maybe some of those candy ass democrat friends of yours will follow. But keep your friggin' tofu pickin' hands out of MY pocket!

      (P.S. those Ethiopian burr heads have been in a perpetual state of starvation for hundreds of years. Their bodies can deal with it. Put them on a normal diet and they would look like those ugly fat Mexican cows who waddle around L.A. in a perpetual state of pregnancy.)

    7. Re:Some perspective on hooking a comet by CrazyGringo · · Score: 0

      A perfectly cromulent conclusion.

    8. Re:Some perspective on hooking a comet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't underestimate the amount of important science has come out of R&D for the military. And your fact about the US government spending 10x more on military then science is probably false, maybe if you are only talking about the federal government. I know lots of states pour hundreds of millions, if not billions of dollars into science in form of public. If you include the amount of research being done by private instutions (private universities and corporations) I would bet the amount of money spent on sciene in the US is alot more then what is spent on the military. The main job of the US federal government is to protect the citizens not fund research.

    9. Re:Some perspective on hooking a comet by thrillseeker · · Score: -1, Flamebait
      the US has the largest armed forces proportional to its total population of any country. It is unnecessary.

      I can think of over 3000 recent reasons you're wrong.

    10. Re:Some perspective on hooking a comet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Oh shove if up your pansy bleeding heart democrat ass. You liberals are all alike. If some colored person is starving then it's boo hoo hoo in your book. I wonder if you would be so f*cking concerned if it were a Norwegian or Scot who were starving? I think not. You democrats are all hypocrites.

      Why don't you sell YOUR Volvo, Birkenstocks, and your collection of Negro CDs, bub? YOU send the proceeds to Ethiopia. YOU can make a difference with YOUR own assets. Lead and maybe some of those candy ass democrat friends of yours will follow. But keep your friggin' tofu pickin' hands out of MY pocket!

      (P.S. those Ethiopian burr heads have been in a perpetual state of starvation for hundreds of years. Their bodies can deal with it. Put them on a normal diet and they would look like those ugly fat Mexican cows who waddle around L.A. in a perpetual state of pregnancy.)

    11. Re:Some perspective on hooking a comet by hesiod · · Score: 1

      > The US government spends more than 10 times as much money on its military budget than on its science budget

      From raw figures, that may be true, but a whole lot of military funds go to developing "science things," whatever that would be, especially aerospace engineering.
      Therefore, I agree with your conclusion, but not your reasoning.

    12. Re:Some perspective on hooking a comet by hesiod · · Score: 1

      > The ability to [...good list of reasons...] is what is going to keep the human race around for thousands of years to come.

      There are many, many species that have lived for many thousand years without the need to colonize other planets. I don't think it is necessary for Human survival. Granted, that might help ensure an even longer existence, but also mutations. Don't seriously think Humans can move to another planet and expect the next hundred generations to be exactly the same.
      What if people living on Mars mutate and are later considered lower-class citizens because of it? Then their religions will teach Earthlings that they are superior supermen who will take over and rule Mars with an iron fist! God no, sir, I will NOT be responsible for that kind of opression!

      Woah... I just got Deja Vu. And the last time I thought it happened, I wrote this exact line. Wow.

    13. Re:Some perspective on hooking a comet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Notice how you're a troll but the grandparent is +Informative?

      Offtopic rants about whats wrong with the USA: Informative.

      Offtopic rants rebutting same, Flamebait.

      See how it works here in pinko commie bullshit land?

    14. Re:Some perspective on hooking a comet by Avwar · · Score: 1

      I've seen some pretty nice looking Mexican heifers around L.A. If that were a waddle, it gives the term a whold new meaning. Democrats may not be hypocrites, and besides, we need them because they will do what conservatives don't want to do... namely, take care of people and things which need help or protection. Just don't call on them to confront "evil".

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  11. I didn't know Scorpion was working for nasa. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    MORTAL KOMBAT!!!!!!!!

  12. OOOH YOU FAG)T by VIGILANTROLL · · Score: -1

    TEH SKINNIES ARE VARY HUNGRAY!!!!11

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  13. Obligatory Song... by arcite · · Score: -1, Flamebait

    We're whalers on the moon, We carry a harpoon. But there ain't no whales So we tell tall tales And sing our whaling tune.

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  15. Yeah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Rosetta will inspect two asteroids (Otawara and Siwa) at close quarters."

    It's about time that us humans started doing the probing to the aliens!

    1. Re:Yeah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Rosetta will inspect two asteroids (Otawara and Siwa) at close quarters

      Maybe it will be in place at the right time to harpoon Rama.

  16. Hey... by Faust7 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Second chance for any Heaven's Gate folks that got left behind!

    1. Re:Hey... by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Second chance for any Heaven's Gate folks that got left behind!

      This time they risk getting a harpoon in their ass though.

  17. Someone tried this one already. by McAddress · · Score: 3, Funny

    Last time people tried to meet up with a comet, they ended up dead, and covered with purple cloth.

    1. Re:Someone tried this one already. by An+Onerous+Coward · · Score: 1

      I find this post to be in shockingly horrible taste, and I'm absolutely livid that I didn't come up with it first.

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  18. I don't know dude... by botzi · · Score: -1, Flamebait
    Europe is set to try to do something no-one has ever done before - to chase and land on a comet...

    The spacecraft will be launched in February 2004 from Kourou, French Guiana, using an Ariane-5 G+ launcher....

    ...I just can't start believing in the European space program. How can guys that f*cked up a lanching because of an int in a floating point register aim for a comet landing in 2014????
    Couple of days ago there's been another Slashdot story, comets, as always, but if I recall correctly the one mentioned was coming(actually/unfortunately it even had a 0,3% of chance for landing;o(((() somewhere around 2800... Wouldn't that be a more realistic GO! for Ariann????;oP....

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    1. Re:I don't know dude... by 73939133 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The US space program doesn't look a lot better: a reusable launch vehicle that is more expensive per launch than disposable launch vehicles, two shuttles that have blown up, Mars probes that just disappear, and on and on.

      Over the last couple of decades, the European space program doesn't seem to have screwed up any more than the US space program. OTOH, it seems to be a bit more cost-effective and fewer people die in it.

    2. Re:I don't know dude... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      fewer people die in it.

      Maybe because all of their launches have been UNMANNED!!!!

    3. Re:I don't know dude... by botzi · · Score: 2, Interesting
      ..Over the last couple of decades, the European space program doesn't seem to have screwed up any more than the US space program. OTOH, it seems to be a bit more cost-effective and fewer people die in it....

      Without having the actual numbers, I feel ready to bet that "not screwing more", when launching several times less is not a great advantage...
      Anyway, it may be true that Ariane had fewer "problems", but that doesn't m33n they're less spectacular;o))))....

      Btw, I'm European so no offense... simply enough, when I first read the floating point register explanation for some lanch accident... it was far too much to not lol.....
      Damn, it's hard to finish those phrases at 2am....;o)

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    4. Re:I don't know dude... by ldspartan · · Score: 2, Informative

      "... and fewer people die in it."

      When was the last manned European space flight?

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    5. Re:I don't know dude... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      me thinks thats the point. Is it really truely necessary to shoot 7 people into space to see who worms are effected by 0-g enviroment, or is it more of a PR stunt since footage of astronauts drinking fruit punch out of the air is neato.

      Personally, I fail to see why 7 lives are risked to study worms.

    6. Re:I don't know dude... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My point exactly.

    7. Re:I don't know dude... by KewlPC · · Score: 1

      From what I've read the Ariane-4 had a very good track record. The Ariane-5, OTOH, well, *BOOM* ;)

    8. Re:I don't know dude... by pe1chl · · Score: 1

      How is that relevant? More people die on the ground in such projects than in space. Because way more are working on the ground. Only they often get a little less news coverage.

    9. Re:I don't know dude... by ldspartan · · Score: 1

      Enough conjecture. Can you (or anyone) quote actual statistics?

    10. Re:I don't know dude... by HarmlessScenery · · Score: 1

      You ever heard the term 'cosmonaut'? :)

    11. Re:I don't know dude... by hesiod · · Score: 1

      > is it more of a PR stunt since footage of astronauts drinking fruit punch out of the air is neato
      > Personally, I fail to see why 7 lives are risked to study worms.

      Hmm, well, it looks like you DO see why seven lives are risked... :( All in the name of science^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hre-election.

    12. Re:I don't know dude... by hesiod · · Score: 1

      > > When was the last manned European space flight
      > You ever heard the term 'cosmonaut'

      You ever heard of Russians? I don't believe they are a big part of ESA.

    13. Re:I don't know dude... by HarmlessScenery · · Score: 1

      >>> When was the last manned European space flight
      >> You ever heard the term 'cosmonaut'? :)
      > You ever heard of Russians? I don't believe they are a big part of ESA.

      European space flight != ESA
      Russia = Eastern Europe

    14. Re:I don't know dude... by hesiod · · Score: 1

      > European space flight != ESA

      Well, let's see. This is an ESA launch, which the Russians are not a part of? Therefore the only meaningful data would be that which applies to the people involved, i.e. the Europeans who are not Russia.

    15. Re:I don't know dude... by pe1chl · · Score: 1

      I think about 7 kosmonauts died in space (or during their return from space). However, much more than one hundred people have died in ground accidents there.

      In China, thousands died on the ground in a big launch accident.

      You can probably find info about US and European accidents on space websites.

    16. Re:I don't know dude... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck you, Phil Genera. You're an asshole. You ban people from #ti just because they want to talk about calculators. How about you get busy sucking on my huge cock while you take it up the ass from nickd. Suck it down, bitch. And unban me, too. Faggot.

    17. Re:I don't know dude... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Look, faggot, stop banning people from your fucking lousy ass channel on EFnet. Let people talk about calculators in #ti. Grow up and get a fucking life. You don't have to ban every fucking person who wants to talk about calculators or that has a question. Just because your butt buddy, nickd, doesn't like ticalc.org anymore doesn't mean you have to fucking ban people for talking about calculators. Now get busy sucking on my dick, you piece of shit.

  19. They should have tried to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    RIDE THE LIGHTNING!

  20. Sounds better than what I thought it meant... by Tyrdium · · Score: 1
    Mission to Harpoon Comet is Back on Track

    I thought we were going to pull the comet into the Earth... *breathes a sigh of relief*

  21. A true story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Once upon a time whilst walking in a park I asked a geek "Do you have a girlfriend?". He responded with a very puzzled look. "A girlfriend?," he mused, "Who is the developer?". I chuckled and told him this was not an open source project. He then became slightly angry and inquired, "Are you trying to insult me? Only the best geeks use open source only! What planet are you living on?!". I reassured him I was well aware of his integrity as a geek (white skin, clumsy, pants that are too short, lack of daily shower, pocket protector etc), and explained, "A girlfriend is a female who to a male (most oftenly a male) has an intimate friendship." He gave me a very confused look. "I have never heard of such a thing.. this.. g-g-irlfriend?" He asked me, sounding very baffled. "I have heard of friends before, those pets other people have. But what is this thing you say.. Grill?". "Girl," I corrected. Then I asked him to sit down on a bench nearby so I could explain it too him, the poor, helpless thing. I told him that for human beings to reproduce, sexual intercourse must occur between a male and a female. "Perhaps you hear the trolls mention a thing called "pussy" on slashdot?". The geek burst into laughter, "Haha, you have been browsing at -1 lately, haven't you? You know that is just troll talk. Those silly trolls never have anything intelligent to say."

    My face turned serious. "My dear geek, are you not aware of the female population amongst you? Do you not stare in the street and want to hump a post when you pass by a hot, slim, gorgeous looking chick with a firm bust and well sculpted ass?". The geek immediately began to appear as if he was having a nervous breakdown. His glasses began to fog up and he took them off to wipe them with this linux embroidered shirt, "I think I know what you are talking about. Those things are icky. They have cooties. Get away from me!" I felt offended. "Nonsense, I pleaded! Pussy is a beautiful thing. A sacred thing that you should strive to give pleasure to." The geek would not listen and he began to cry. "STOP IT!! You are EVIL!!" He then, quite geekishly, skipped off down the path.

    I walked back to my house feeling rather disheartened. 'Why don't they listen to me' I asked myself? When I got home my girlfriend opened the door. She was wearing short-shorts and a sports bra. She had been doing the thigh master for the past 30 minutes and was sweating. I could see her dark nipples underneath her slightly damp bra. Oh god I could fuck her to the moon and back. I could smell her horniness the second I took my shoes off. I chased her, both of us laughing, to our bedroom [THE FOLLOWING has been censored for the well-being of geeks].... Six hours later, finally satisfied a little, I sat up and noticed that same geek hiding in the trees. He had been watching us the entire time. I swear his penis had to have been the size of a fucking horse cock (not bad for a geek, i might add), and he appeared as if he had gone into a state of shock. I could see cum stains forming near the bulge of his pant zipper. I thought to myself. There is one geek, finally brought into the real world.

  22. FUNNY!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    READ THIS COMIC NOW!!!
    Comic.gif

    1. Re:FUNNY!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      Who modded this down???

      SHOW YOURSELF!!!!

  23. Re:Dumbest idea EVAR [sic] by bmckeever · · Score: 1
    Is this a troll? Here's some tips: RTFA, get the units right in your calculation (hint: V != A), and if you're going to use physics, make your conclusion meaningful ("Force of Asteroid > Force of Earth" means less than you think).

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  24. ...to be able to turn around and come back... by js7a · · Score: 1
    ...in the event of an un-inhabitable planet.

    Sorry my parent post was truncated.

  25. Priorities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    I can think of a few causes for the Europeans to pursue that are nobler than harpooning a comet:

    - Stop hating/beating/killing Jews.
    - Stifle the creeping statism.
    - Stop the moral equivalency and policy of appeasement of thieves and dictators.
    - Stop hating the productive countries because you're too fucking busy drinking wine and eating cheese to work as hard as the citizens of more productive countries do who earn their right to be arrogant and wealthy.

    1. Re:Priorities by Nix0n · · Score: 1

      Hey don't worry about it. This is the ESA we're talking about. These people would be lucky to launch a potato gun without blowing themselves up.

  26. Re:and if they screw up... sex! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Once upon a time whilst walking in a park I asked a geek "Do you have a girlfriend?". He responded with a very puzzled look. "A girlfriend?," he mused, "Who is the developer?". I chuckled and told him this was not an open source project. He then became slightly angry and inquired, "Are you trying to insult me? Only the best geeks use open source only! What planet are you living on?!". I reassured him I was well aware of his integrity as a geek (white skin, clumsy, pants that are too short, lack of daily shower, pocket protector etc), and explained, "A girlfriend is a female who to a male (most oftenly a male) has an intimate friendship." He gave me a very confused look. "I have never heard of such a thing.. this.. g-g-irlfriend?" He asked me, sounding very baffled. "I have heard of friends before, those pets other people have. But what is this thing you say.. Grill?". "Girl," I corrected. Then I asked him to sit down on a bench nearby so I could explain it too him, the poor, helpless thing. I told him that for human beings to reproduce, sexual intercourse must occur between a male and a female. "Perhaps you hear the trolls mention a thing called "pussy" on slashdot?". The geek burst into laughter, "Haha, you have been browsing at -1 lately, haven't you? You know that is just troll talk. Those silly trolls never have anything intelligent to say."

    My face turned serious. "My dear geek, are you not aware of the female population amongst you? Do you not stare in the street and want to hump a post when you pass by a hot, slim, gorgeous looking chick with a firm bust and well sculpted ass?". The geek immediately began to appear as if he was having a nervous breakdown. His glasses began to fog up and he took them off to wipe them with this linux embroidered shirt, "I think I know what you are talking about. Those things are icky. They have cooties. Get away from me!" I felt offended. "Nonsense, I pleaded! Pussy is a beautiful thing. A sacred thing that you should strive to give pleasure to." The geek would not listen and he began to cry. "STOP IT!! You are EVIL!!" He then, quite geekishly, skipped off down the path.

    I walked back to my house feeling rather disheartened. 'Why don't they listen to me' I asked myself? When I got home my girlfriend opened the door. She was wearing short-shorts and a sports bra. She had been doing the thigh master for the past 30 minutes and was sweating. I could see her dark nipples underneath her slightly damp bra. Oh god I could fuck her to the moon and back. I could smell her horniness the second I took my shoes off. I chased her, both of us laughing, to our bedroom [THE FOLLOWING has been censored for the well-being of geeks].... Six hours later, finally satisfied a little, I sat up and noticed that same geek hiding in the trees. He had been watching us the entire time. I swear his penis had to have been the size of a fucking horse cock (not bad for a geek, i might add), and he appeared as if he had gone into a state of shock. I could see cum stains forming near the bulge of his pant zipper. I thought to myself. There is one geek, finally brought into the real world.

  27. Harpooning by GQuon · · Score: 3, Funny

    Now that I think about it, how do you "harpoon" an asteroid anyways. Are we going to use a thick rope and a spear? Or is Moby Dicking it the wrong way to go?

    That is pretty old-fashioned. Today, they use an explosive grenade that explodes on impact. The explosion either knocks the asteroid unconsious or kills it. Then, NASA can pull it into Earth and fire a frickin' laser beam into it to make sure it's dead.

    Asteroid conservation organisations are against the harpooning, but have no tangible arguments left. Since asteroids are extremely numerous, and modern catch methods are within animal welfare standards, the conservationists now claim that asteroids have intrinsic rights, Asteroid Rights. Namely:
    The right to have their orbital characteristics un-affected other bodies.
    The right not to be used as hiding places for space ships or telepaths.
    The right to not be blasted by Star Destroyers.
    The right to control their own resources, and grant their own mining rights to whoever they choose.
    When pressed on who should represent the asteroids and work as mining rights proxies, the conservation organisations said "us".
    Suddenly, most space mining companies had changed their status to non-profit organisations.

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  28. relativity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No. The velocity is constant, curved space/time is, depending on nearby mass.

    v/t=a only applies to Euclidian space.

  29. AMEN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    preach it, brother!

  30. Industry on earth and in space. by Christopher+Thomas · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No, I'm in favour of Orbital industry (it makes no sense to put industry at the bottom of a gravity well, when most of where the results of that industry will be needed is in space anyway.

    Production of bulk items in space is only economically viable _if_ they are to be used mostly in space. In practice, they'll be used wherever most of the population is. For the forseeable future, this is on earth.

    Further, most pollution is from three areas - chemical processing (be it smelting, the plastics industry, or what-have-you), growing crops (fertilizer runoff), and supporting population and industry power consumption (generating electricity, running cars).

    If you're planning to move either of the first two into space, you'll have to make them closed-loop processes due to shortage of materials (hydrogen, carbon, and nitrogen are hard to come by in the inner solar system; the belt is far enough away to present *serious* transport problems). If you're making these processes closed-loop, you might as well build the same factories on earth, as they will no longer pollute.

    The last is tied in considerable part to where your population is (as it's what uses power). That's mostly on earth, due to the difficulty moving the earth's population off-planet.

    In summary, unless the population is primarily based in space, I don't believe it would be beneficial to move industry there. Focus on making industry less polluting down here (and on closing the other end of the loop by using landfills as chemical feedstock for manufacturing).

    1. Re:Industry on earth and in space. by doublem · · Score: 1

      As Ray Bradbury wrote in "Tomorrow, Tomorrow and Tomorrow", "If you can build a city on Mars, you can turn the Sahara into a Suburb."

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  31. Yeah by mindstrm · · Score: 1

    The force known as "Gravity". Specifically, the gravitational attraction between the earth and sun causes the earth to accelerate. That's how fast everything at this distance from the sun accelerates towards the sun.... which the earth is doing continuously.

  32. So many feet to choose from... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    foot 0.3048
    US survey foot 0.3048006096012
    modified American foot 0.3048122529845
    Clarke's foot 0.3047972651151
    Indian foot (Clarke) 0.3047995102481
    foot (Sears) 0.3047994715387

    1. Re:So many feet to choose from... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If these are for real, what's the origin of them?

    2. Re:So many feet to choose from... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      my foot up your ass: priceless

      Some things money can't buy, for everything else there's slashdot's ACs.

  33. Re: Harpooning a Comet by AliasMoze · · Score: 2

    ...is such a waste of resources, when there's so much here on Earth to harpoon.

  34. this was my idea! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I posted this idea half-jokingly a few days ago, I can't believe someone is actually gonna do this. But I got the idea from watching Armaggedon too many times, I can't believe someone is actually investing time and energy into this kooky idea.

  35. Alien Probing by pipingguy · · Score: 1

    Why are hemorrhoids called "hemorrhoids" instead of "asteroids"?

  36. You know you play too many sci-fi games when... by Cappy+Red · · Score: 1

    ... you start calling the moon, "Luna," in idle conversation.

    Come to think of it... the moon is one place where I wouldn't mind living close to work.

    *honks*

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  37. Re: Harpooning a Comet by Tucan · · Score: 1

    No, no, you've got it all wrong. They're going to look for the Harpoon UFO, which you can also already get here on Earth.

  38. come on in....the water is great by djupedal · · Score: 1

    They are not trying to 'harpoon' an asteriod....they are going to an asteriod named 'Harpoon'...after that famous asteriod explorer, Harpoon Dimwitty.

    Besides, everyone knows you don't harpoon asteriods. You either use gill nets or C-5 for concussion.

  39. Tip for poster by johannesg · · Score: 1

    It is not an american spacecraft. NASA is not involved.

  40. Otawara by nuclearsnake · · Score: 1

    "Rosetta will inspect two asteroids (Otawara and Siwa) at close quarters."
    I didn't know that Canada's Capitol was an asteroid...
    You learn something new everday!

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  41. Re:Acceleration is a vector by gumbi+west · · Score: 1

    Acceleration can be represented by a vector. That means that it has a direction and a magnitude.