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GPS Used To Monitor Continental Drift

metz2000 writes "BBC News is reporting that a team of scientists from Nottingham (UK) are using GPS to measure sea levels and continental drift. The team has around 50 stations across the UK, and use GPS technology to track miniscule changes in altitude and location. This allows the team to gain an understanding of how the UK landmass is likely to change over the coming centuries. They have discovered that the British Isles are tilting, with the north of the country gaining altitude and the south of the country 'sinking'."

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  1. Solution? by ahadley · · Score: 4, Funny

    well this should sort the north/south divide and tilt (apollogies for pun) the house price difference to the north.....

    just my 2 (euro) cents worth

    Alex

    1. Re:Solution? by jeremyp · · Score: 2, Insightful

      From the article:

      "GPS measurements have also allowed scientists to show that the UK is drifting about 2-3 cm each year in a north-easterly direction."

      Of course you need to know what the rest of Europe is doing as well. I suspect, if it is on the same techtonic plate as Europe, then Europe is doing the same thing.

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  2. Accuracy by ewithrow · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Considering a lot of GPS receivers have an error of + or - 10 feet or so, I wonder if they are using very precise equipment, or if having the redundancy of many units makes up for the rough estimates GPS satelites give.

    1. Re:Accuracy by Wibla · · Score: 4, Interesting

      They are probably using the military band of the GPS sattelites, which are considerably more precise than ordinary 'civil' GPS.

    2. Re:Accuracy by d-Orb · · Score: 5, Informative

      I guess that they are using differential GPS, by which the time delay at a known location is compared to the time-delay at the location of interest. This enables for very accurate estimation of where you are.

      On the other hand, at least in California (where they have a GPS network for earthquake monitoring), the network might well be permanent, hence you can do a nice sort of averaging over time. We have found that even with normal GPS, you get nice accuracies over a time period.

    3. Re:Accuracy by pe1rxq · · Score: 2, Informative

      They are probably not using differential gps as the base stations calculating the difference are on the very landmass they are measuring the movement off....
      They probably use a scheme similar to dgps: They don't have to know their exact location, they have to know their exact location in respect to the other measurement points around the country. Which is relativly easy to do.

      Jeroen

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    4. Re:Accuracy by egburr · · Score: 2, Interesting

      How are you going to use ground-based systems to tell you how far your continent has moved? If you put it on the same continent as the receiver, it will move in perfect relation to the receiver, so the receiver will always show zero movement. If you put it on another continent, does it have the range, especially dealing with earth curvature and line-of-sight issues? It seems to me a satellite system would be much better for this purpose.

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    5. Re:Accuracy by asmithumd · · Score: 4, Informative

      Back in the late 80's I had some college rooommates who did this for a living. After moderate earthquakes in southern California, groups of geophysics graduate students would be sent to the channel islands off the coast with huge old clunky GPS receivers. They would align the GPS receiver over a benchmark and camp out for 3 days collecting data. Similar groups would do the same thing all over SoCal. Combining the data makes for a super differential GPS data set. As each receiver is at a known location (well sort of, it is what they are there to determine), each has the accuracy of a single diff. GPS receiver. However, what the scientists cared about was not the aboslute positions of the receivers, but their relative positions. As I recall, 0.5cm resoultion was routinely achieved event back then. I'm sure todays systems are automated, and remotely read out. Today's grad students won't have stories about being buzzed by navy jets or herds of ferrel cats.

    6. Re:Accuracy by hughk · · Score: 3, Informative
      First of all, now that Selective Availability has been disabled, stationary GPS can easily give accuracy down to a couple of metres or better. However, even when SA was enabled, surveyors could always get cm level data out of a GPS simply because they could leave the station sitting and let it average out the passes. If you are building a road, you normally want to fix it down to the cm level, because it is embarrassing when a bridge, for example, doesn't fit. Any major construction project has at least one well known point from which the land survey is based. This point connects the survey coordinate system with a general coordinate system (such as latitude and longitude from WGS84). This used to be done optically but over the last 15 years or so, GPS has been used and has performed well.

      For continental drift, they need mm level data. I guess, they just leave the station for a longer time to get even more passes.

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    7. Re:Accuracy by kEnder242 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I think its called differential carrier phase gps
      measurements below 1cm can be taken by looking at the wavelengths of the signal

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    8. Re:Accuracy by WhiteBandit · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Nope! Instead it's us sappy undergraduate students who have to do it! That is how I'll be making some money this summer in southern CA. ;)

      I think the logic is that some of the receivers are upwards of $10,000 USD, which is a very expensive toy to just have laying around, so they send groups of us students out with the receivers all day so that we basically babysit them and make sure no one touches them.

      We also have a limited amount of receivers, and a large amount of benchmarks to check, so I believe we check Site 1 this day and Site 2 this day, etc...

    9. Re:Accuracy by transient · · Score: 2, Informative

      This hasn't been true for several years. Selective availability was turned off during the Clinton administration.

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    10. Re:Accuracy by Yet+Another+Smith · · Score: 3, Informative

      They're doing very high-precision work which doesn't look at the code, but the actual waveform, using static (hours-long) occupations of benchmark monuments. Then custom software is used to work out sub centimeter (often 3-5 mm) locations in post-processing.

      This sort of thing has been done in a number of locations. I've been involved with studies like this in Nevada and Italy.

      It's hardly suprising that Scotland is rising and England is sinking. The phenomenon is known as 'isostatic rebound' and happens any time a substantial load is removed or added to an area. The massive ice-age glaciers over Scandinavia caused that area to sink and the 'low countries' - especially Holland - to rise. Now that the glaciers are gone, Scandinavia is rising again and the Netherlands are sinking into the sea. The same is probably happening on a smaller scale to Great Britain. In the US, the Appalachian Mountains are eroding away, causing them to rise, and the coastal plains and Mississippi delta, where that sediment is being deposited, are sinking.

      This is all a very slow process, millimeters per year, but over time it makes a big difference.

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    11. Re:Accuracy by joggle · · Score: 2, Informative
      The key differences are the fact that it is a network of receivers working together and that these receivers are not consumer-level. Rather, the receivers use both GPS frequencies to attain their solution. Although the second frequency isn't decoded (it's encrypted), the phase is locked on by the receiver, with the receiver simply counting the number of cyles that are received over time. With two frequencies, delays caused by weather (the troposphere) are essentially eliminated. Also, since this is a network, common errors between the receivers are eliminated, greatly increasing the accuracy (up to sub millimeter over time with phase-locked receivers).

      The receivers themselves aren't generating the solution. Rather, they upload raw data to a central server which calculates the position of the receivers sometime after the data was collected (probably once high-precision satellite orbit data is available--this is generated by satellite tracking from several ground stations around the world, updated every 12-24 hrs I think).

      Even consumer-level receivers will give you a decent solution when several days of data for a fixed point are averaged (about 5-10cm I think), assuming satellite visibility is good.

  3. Damn... by nmg196 · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...you tell me this *after* I've just bought a house in Southampton. Bummer. I knew the must be *one* good reason to live in Scotland...

    Nick...

  4. accurate enough by Naikrovek · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I didn't realize that GPS was accurate enough for that...

    I think i heard once that there were two types of recievers, one was more error prone, but gave you an updated location every second, the second was very, very accurate, but took over 10 minutes to get a position fix.

    can anyone clue me in here?

    1. Re:accurate enough by joggle · · Score: 2, Informative
      None of this will work however, if the US switches SA back on (Selective Availability)

      Actually, in a differential GPS situation, S/A has essentially no effect. The only noticable difference is that the signal has been dithered. The errors caused by S/A are completely eliminated by differencing the station with unknown coordinates with the station with fixed, known coordinates. Even if both are unknown, you can still get a very good relative position between the two stations.

      Also, as far as the time it takes to generate a solution depends on a couple of other things. You were discussing how to get a solution using cheap receivers that only calculate the pseudo-ranges to satellites using the code transmitted on the first GPS frequency (the technique used by consumer receivers). In the case of high-precision GPS, the receiver may not even calculate its own position. Rather, after acquisition of at least 4 satellites (the 10-300 seconds you mention), the receiver will transmit its observables to some server which does the position calculations. With more expensive, phase-locking receivers the accuracy greatly improves. In this case, a receiver will lock onto the first (and possibly second) frequencies, counting the number of cylces it receives. Once the server can calculate the correct integer offset to add to this counter (the number of cycles between the receiver and the given satellite), the position is known to within centimeters of its true location. However, the process of calculating these unknown integer cycle offset values for each observed satellite is rather tedious, usually taking at least 15 minutes for a fixed reciever, longer for a moving one (such as one on a buoy).

      The position may be recalculated later once high precision satellite orbit data is available (this is provided by tracking stations around the world every 12-24 hours).

  5. Population growth and land change by rebeka+thomas · · Score: 2, Funny

    I think you can extrapolate this data into a correlation with population. Look at the warnings from the 1970s about halting population growth in California, especially west of the San Andreas Faultline. There were no changes, and then an earthquake strikes.

    Now the most populated area of the UK is sinking and the rest rising. If you think about it, it is quite logical. The weight of london alone is billions upon billions of tonnes, the building and auto infrastructure, not to mention several million people.

    We are having a much greater effect on the planet than anyone could know.

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    1. Re:Population growth and land change by Mr_Dyqik · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I wonder if there might actually be a measurable effect from increased usage of groundwater in heavily populated areas. This kind of thing can cause local subsidance, so I wonder if it can cause a general shift over larger areas.

  6. Why does this sound familliar? by rjch · · Score: 2, Funny

    Lifing at one and and sinking at the other? Where have I heard this before?

    Oh yeah, that's right... the Titanic...

  7. Tilt by zbob · · Score: 2, Informative

    Sounds to me like this tilting is just the land settling down after the last ice age. The north of the country used to be covered in ice, while the south was clear. Now that the weight of the ice has gone, the land is just seeking a point of equilibrium.

  8. Tilting is old news by mce · · Score: 2, Informative

    The fact that the northern part of Europe is rising and the southern part is sinking (for a rather broad definition of southern: Holland is sinking too), has been known for a long time. I was told in highschool (think before 1983) that this is due do the northern part having been pushed downwards during ice age(s) due to the massive weight ot the ice. When the ice last retreated, the current tilting movement was initiated.

  9. Spaceborne SAR by d-Orb · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Slightly OT, but just to mention that imaging microwave radar (as those mounted in the ENVISAT or ERS satellites, for example) is also being used to monitor small changes in elevation, using a technique based on interferometric SAR (which is behind the Shuttle Radar Topography Mission.

    The benefit of using a satellite orbiting around the Earth is that you don't need to deploy all the "base stations". If you want to find out more, google for "differential interferometry" or somesuch :-)

  10. Re:what next? by murple · · Score: 2, Funny

    And if they relocate people to the north, will it stop the process?

  11. For those interested... by heli0 · · Score: 4, Informative
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  12. Accuracy by ljavelin · · Score: 5, Interesting

    From "Navigation Satellites & GPS v2.2.3 / 01 dec 02 / gvgoebel@earthlink.net /"


    Geophysicists have been exploiting GPS since the mid-1980s, using it to measure continental drift and the movement of the Earth's surface in geologically active regions. They have been able to obtain accurate surface measurements to within a few millimeters through a procedure known as "carrier tracking", which is even more accurate than differential GPS. Carrier tracking actually senses the phase of the carrier signals on which the location code sequences are broadcast. It is, not surprisingly, a tricky and subtle procedure, and not applicable for general use.

  13. Re:Wonderful! by sandgroper · · Score: 2, Insightful
    These devices are not accurate enough for this.


    On the contrary, while the receivers that you spend a hundred bucks on are indeed not accurate enough, GPS based geodesy is a raging success. They use very expensive receivers with multiple frequencies and occupy sites for hours at a time to get the kinds of numbers needed for geodetic measurements. Been going on for years. The major inaccuracies have to do with index-of-refraction effects in the atmosphere (hence the need for multi-frequency instruments).

  14. South is sinking? by muffen · · Score: 2, Funny

    .. I thought it couldn't sink any further.
    I always new there was something fishy in the south side of britain. Ah well.. atleast now they have showed that it will hit rock bottom soon :)

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  15. Some history... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    "They have discovered that the British Isles are tilting, with the north of the country gaining altitude and the south of the country 'sinking'"

    GREAT DISCOVERY *sarcasm*

    Since the late pleistocene the big icesheets on top of Northern Europe disappeared by global climat change from glacial to interglacial (cfr. Iversen model). As a concequence of this loss of mass on top of these plates they began to bounce back up. Imagine taking a piece of drifting wood, push it down. If you lift your finger it will rise up again. The same principal goes for continental plates and is called isostatic uplift.

    So, since the beginning of the holocene and end of the pleistocene countries now known as Sweden, Norway began to rise and Belgium and the Netherlands for example began to sink, because the y once were uplifted by the weight on the northern part of europe.

    It seems normal that these consequences aren't just limited to european main land but also influence the UK. In fact Scotland has had a big icecap during the last iceage so the isostatic uplift of Scotland and the drowning, if you may call it that, of the south of the UK isn't exactly new.

    They may claim having measured it, but they certainly may not claim the discovery of these changes because that's veeeeeery old news.

  16. It depends by k0de · · Score: 2, Interesting

    GPS accuracy is somewhat consistent among manufacturers, and is generally more accurate the more you pay for the equipment. However, there is always a margin for error. For example, Wilson's GPS Accuracy page states that vertical accuracy depends on "latitude (errors for vertical accuracy rapidly increase with latitudes greater than 65 degrees), receiver/antenna, local geometry/multipath and satellite geometry (VDOP)"

    The real question is are the Nottingham group using high grade and control tested equipment and have they properly accounted for discrepency. Stating that Scotland is rising two millimeters a year is quite the claim.

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  17. In related news .... by Surak · · Score: 3, Funny

    ..some scientists studying the "sinking" effect have noted CowboyNeal's recent move to Southampton.

  18. Re:Altometer on a boat?! by lyonsden · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A lot of bodies of water are above sea level. The Colorado river starts at 9,010 feet above sea level.

  19. Re:The important question... by jeremyp · · Score: 2, Informative

    From the article:

    GPS measurements have also allowed scientists to show that the UK is drifting about 2-3 cm each year in a north-easterly direction.

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  20. Some of this is not new by Slamtilt · · Score: 2, Informative

    The tilt, at least, has been known for a quite a while; I remember joking with a friend from London that London might be horrible, but if we just waited a few million years the problem would be solved (we were in Scotland). That was back in the late eighties.

  21. Re:Silly question... by jeremyp · · Score: 2, Informative

    This link has the best introduction to mapping and GPS I have ever read.

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  22. They discovered the south was sinking ? by kumnaa · · Score: 2, Informative

    This is hardly news, I was taught about this 10 years ago at school.

  23. Relativity by spakka · · Score: 2, Interesting
    From the article:

    GPS measurements have also allowed scientists to show that the UK is drifting about 2-3 cm each year in a north-easterly direction.

    I disagree. The UK is only drifting north. Since we have no east or west pole, the east-west component of the velocity can only be stated relative to some other plate. We could just as well assert that the UK is stationary in the east-west direction, and the other plate is moving west.

  24. No discovery here by tagishsimon · · Score: 2, Informative
    They have discovered that the British Isles are tilting, with the north of the country gaining altitude and the south of the country 'sinking'."

    This was already common enough knowledge for those interested in the subject ... the south east & east anglia are sinking, the north west rising.

  25. Chicken Little Anyone? by Daniel+Boisvert · · Score: 2, Funny

    The sky is falling! The sky is falling!!!

    Oh--wait--the ground is rising...

    umm--nevermind :)

  26. Old news by simoncrute · · Score: 2, Informative

    This seems like very old news to me.
    I seem to recall being told this in the early 1980s at school.

    Apperently it's the "rebound" effect. In the last ice age all the ice caused Scotland and Northern England to sink under it's weight.

    Since it all melted it's been slowly rising.

    I can't remember why southern England is sinking though. Maybe there's a pivet somewhere through Shefield or something ?

  27. This is not new by kitty_goth · · Score: 2, Informative

    I remember an in-depth discussion of the tilting effect on the Open University in the late '80s.

  28. doing this since the start of GPS @1990 by peter303 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Geologists have been measuring micro-motions of the earth since GPS started in the early 1990s. There are thousands of talks on the subject here .

  29. Re:Wonderful! by djward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Continental drift occurs on the order of feet per eon."

    Actually, rates range up to 20 cm/year in some places. In this case, I thing they were saying 2-3 cm/yr. This is very measureable by continuous GPS from permanent stations; see a lot of these other comments for why.

    These GPS networks have been used with great success over the past 15 years or so in places like Japan, California, and New Zealand, to name a few. Nice to see it getting put in in other places

  30. That would explain it, then by Epsillon · · Score: 2, Funny

    They have discovered that the British Isles are tilting, with the north of the country gaining altitude and the south of the country 'sinking'

    That explains the difference in house prices up North and down South. I wonder when they'll start advertising southern homes as "temporary accomodation"? :o)

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  31. Plate Boundary Observatory. by kfstark · · Score: 2, Informative

    I thought I would include some links to similar projects:

    SCIGN -- Southern California Integrated GPS Network
    http://www.scign.org/
    This GPS array has 250 active stations throughout SoCal continuously monitoring crustal deformation. SCIGN was started after the 1994 Northridge Earthquake and has helped the determination of the velocity field in Southern California produced by SCEC.

    An interactive map of station locations can be found at:
    http://pasadena.wr.usgs.gov/scign/Analysis/

    SCEC -- Southern California Earthquake Center
    http://www.scec.org
    This is the umbrella organization for EQ research in Southern California and is the parent organization of SCIGN.

    PBO/Earthscope -- Plate Boundary Observatory
    http://www.unavco.org
    One of the most exciting new developments in GPS. Recently the US Congress approved the Earthscope initiative which includes 3 separate parts. The GPS portion is the PBO which will include 875 new stations from the Mexican border through Washington and Alaska. This massive array will be built over the next 5 years.

    There are also several other regional deformation arrays include the Basin Range network, The Bary Area network, and a cluster of sites around Parkfield, CA.

    Equipment:

    The GPS equipment used at these sites are commercially available dual frequency geodetic quality receivers which can recover the military code without needing the military keys. The receivers are capable of good precision when operated alone and are capable of sub-millimeter precision when used in a continuously operating network.

    This type of processing requires extremely accurate satellite orbits provided by the International GPS Service (http://igscb.jpl.nasa.gov/).

    These large GPS arrays have been deployed throughout the world where there is a seismic hazard. Japan is one of the predominant countries with large GPS networks in place.

    We encourage you to look at the various websites and learn about these projects and the science that they produce.

    --Keith
    SCIGN Network Coordinator