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Samsung LTM295W 29" LCD Review

An anonymous reader noted a review of the Samsung LTM295W. Quick excerpt "The contrast ratio of 600:1 is amazing, and takes the cake for being the highest Iâ(TM)ve seen to date here with the site. I was pleased to see a more than acceptable brightness level of 450cd/m2. The response time isnâ(TM)t anything to snuff at, standing at 22ms. For viewing angles everyone should be pleased with 170/170 (W&H). The last mention is the pixel pitch which sits at .4935(h) X .4935(w). The optimal resolution while in PC use is 1024 x 768 @ 75Hz although the maximum is 1280 x 768 @ 75Hz." Not the highest resolution, but still, quite impressive.

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  1. What?? by srboneidle · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Am I the only one that couldn't make any sense of those specs?? Man technology moves fast! ;)

    1. Re:What?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yes, think of it in terms of each pixel containing enough brightness as 2000 lightbulbs, and a screen with the area (when spread out) of 5 football fields, and the ability to display 5 libraries of congress (LOC) at once. All of this packed into something the size of 1/1240 of a VW Beetle. Also, it has the storage capacity of 50 DVD's.

      HTH!

    2. Re:What?? by dogfart · · Score: 3, Funny
      All of this packed into something the size of 1/1240 of a VW Beetle

      At $3139, I'd measure the cost in VW Beetle units!

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  2. Samsung is the Best by Tighe_L · · Score: 4, Informative

    Samsung is the innovator of Display Technology, Their LCDS are top notch.

    When you buy a Dell Flat Panel, it is a Samsung

    Panasonic, then Sharp would be next when it comes to LCDs

    1. Re:Samsung is the Best by Yomlogs · · Score: 4, Informative

      I would agree with you, if I wasn't on my third replacement Samsung 171P. And even this one has a couple of dead subpixels, for which Samsung are unlikely to replace the monitor :-(

      Aside from that, though, the display is stunning - just crap customer service and reliability IMO.

    2. Re:Samsung is the Best by rhombic · · Score: 3, Informative

      "Look to the Koreans for that..."

      At first I thought you were trying to be funny. You do realize that Samsung is a Korean company, right?

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    3. Re:Samsung is the Best by vladkrupin · · Score: 4, Informative

      I just loooove those numbers! 600:1, 450cd/m^2, 22ms... So amazing... NOT!

      For instance, Viewsonic boasts some imressive contrast ratios. In reality they suck. At least, the viewsonics that I saw on display and had a chance to compare to some other brands were left to shame. Same, but even to a greater extent can be said about response times. Everyone seems to find their own way of defining those. Some for fading of a pixel from white to black; some - from black to white. (notice that those two are QUITE different due to the way those transistors operate). Some go even further and declare that very dark colors are very close to completely black, and very bright colors to white, so they'll measure times for those 'approximate' extremes, and some even just measure the 'common case' response time, whatever that is.

      I (and a lot of other people - just check Tom's hardware guide for their LCD overview) seem to notice that there is just way too much fudge in those numbers when it comes to measuring different aspects of LCDs.

      Let me give you an example. My monitor (Samsung 181T), for example, boasts 25ms response time. I'd say it's more like 35 (at least that's what tom's hardware guesses it to be and I think he is quite close), but FPS games are a lot more playable on mine than on a lot of other 25ms panels. Why? Probably because their "fudge" factor is a bit smaller. The only real way to tell a difference easily is to look at the same set of tests being displayed on an array of several different panels. First and foremost you'll notice that color fidelity on some of them sucks. That factor alone will probably eliminate more than half of the panels from what you could consider buying. After that try adjusting contrast/brightness and notice that some monitors (notable ViewSonics) are pathetic. After that, if there are any monitors still left, check if their response time is reasonable. Chances are, it isn't. After that, slow down, think and lower your expectations.

      When shopping for an LCD I learned a lesson that the numbers you see describing LCDs are not what they appear. There is so much discrepancy in how manufacturers define various parameters that those numbers become close to meaningless. The only numbers that aren't fudged are the resolution and hom much power they use. Maybe also the life of the bulb. That's about it. So, next time you are impressed with the specs of some particular LCD panel, try to see if you can have a look at it next to some other panels, performance of which is known to you. Make sure they are running the same stuff, and see what difference you can see.

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  3. You know... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sometimes you can just look at the story blurb and realize that the content is meaningless, and in the larger scheme of things doesn't matter for shit. Then you sit back, wondering what minor point will be endlessly debated in the comments.

    Then you decide to browse at -1 for some entertainment.

  4. Full text in case of slashdotting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Samsung LTM295W

    Posted:Chris Allen
    Reviewer:Jun 3rd, 2003
    Provided By:Samsung CA

    Manufacturer:
    Samsung Genre:
    TFT LCD Monitor/TV Released:

    In the last year or so Samsungâ(TM)s name has been an everyday household name around here at MonkeyReview. In terms of LCDâ(TM)s weâ(TM)ve seen our fair share, ranging from in size from 15â all the way up to todayâ(TM)s whopping 29â. Today weâ(TM)ve got the Samsung LTM295W LCD TV/monitor on the block which will be sure to impress many of you with its nice 29â viewable area and elegant looking design.

    Thereâ(TM)s no question in my mind that most of you, if it was possible, would love an LCD plopped in front of you rather than a conventional CRT which hogs up 50% of your desk space, well, what if it was not only an LCD but one which is larger than most of your mates home TV? With a viewable area of 29â the LTM295W will appeal to those either looking for the crÃme de la crÃme monitor or a great looking high end HDTV ready TV or a combination of both. The Samsung LTM295W offers us at least one feature which makes me a lover of it right off the bat; Iâ(TM)ll discuss this a little later though.

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    Contents & Setup

    The Samsung LTM295W comes to us in two separate boxes, one which has the speakers and the other for the Monitor/TV as well as setup essentials. For a complete list of everything thatâ(TM)s included please read a little further down. Opening the box which contains the actual Monitor/TV we find a smaller box which contains the documentation, the remote (batteries included), RGB to DVI Cable, DVI cable, Power cord, audio cables, and warranty information. I was very pleased to find the RGB to DVI cable included as it will allow support for all VGA cards rather than just those with a DVI output.

    LTM295W Display

    Remote control (2x AAA batteries included)

    Owners Manual

    DV Adapter

    DVI Cable

    RGB to DVI cable

    PC Stereo Cables

    Power Cord

    Clamp Back/Screw

    Speakers (Stands, mounts, screws, wires)

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    Also in the box, we find the large silver finished DC adapter. Finally, under the mentioned goodies, within the full Styrofoam encasing, we find the LTM295W LCD monitor/TV. To furthermore ensure its safety we find it covered in wrapping. Something worth noting is Samsungs safe packaging for all of their monitors/TVâ(TM)s. Itâ(TM)s definitely an aspect in which weâ(TM)ve noticed over the course of time and something which deserves a mention. Itâ(TM)s also something we would expect when paying the price for one of these guys, on that note; while checking pricegrabber the lowest price is $3139 USD and for our fellow Canadians itâ(TM)s going to be setting you back $4659 CDN according to Soho Diffusion, the only Canadian website which I could find thatâ(TM)s offering it.

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    The next thing we focused our attention on was the box which contained the speakers. Opening the box we find the screws, braces, speaker wires and of course the 2x 10W speakers. Also in the box we find stands for alternate speaker mounting/usage. Iâ(TM)ve never been a fan of having the speakers on the side of the Monitor/TV, and so, as usual, I opted to connect them to the side of the LTM295W, using the included braces and screws. I must make a mention that while Iâ(TM)m generally unimpressed with some of the mounting methods used for speakers by manufacturers, this one is well done and while I wouldnâ(TM)t recommend carrying around this TV holding nothing more than the speakers, they are mounted in a solid manner.

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    Once we had the speakers mounted, the DC Adapter plugged in, and our source ready (PC, Bell Express Vu Satellite, and DVD). A few notes about our sources The PCâ(TM)s specs are listed below, the main thing I should

  5. Damn! by arcite · · Score: 3, Funny

    Who knew abstract numbers could be so sexy?

  6. Yeah, but . . . by pcboss99 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Who would run an LCD that big at 1024? Although I am all in favor of bigger and better geek toys, I think a careful examination of the practical longevity of a display device requires more features, not more inches.

    I'd like to see display manufacturers spend as much time on usability as developers do (or should!)

  7. Nice but not for everyone. by grub · · Score: 3, Interesting


    I have a 19" Sony at home on my game PC. Unfortunately the relatively slow refresh rates and latency of LCDs don't cut it for my 3D LCD shutter glasses from Elsa. So until LCDs get to ~110Hz+ I'm stuck with a CRT for my 3D gaming. :(

    Oh as an aside, the latest Revelator drivers from nVidia support many brands of 3D glasses and even the lame red-blue ones.

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  8. Re:Price? by jrl87 · · Score: 4, Informative

    They cost over $3000(usd), pricegrabber link

  9. Resolution? by SpamJunkie · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The resolution is totally unimpressive. Apple's 20" display is 1680 x 1050. Each pixel on this Samsung must be massive.

    This isn't a monitor, it's a TV. If you buy one of these as a monitor you're an idiot.

  10. Holy MegaPixels, Batman! by Gorimek · · Score: 4, Informative

    That's gotta have some real big pixels. My 23" Apple LCD has 1920x1200!

    1. Re:Holy MegaPixels, Batman! by nutbar · · Score: 5, Funny

      They call it LegoVision(tm).

    2. Re:Holy MegaPixels, Batman! by takotech · · Score: 3, Informative

      They did mention dot pitch of .4935

      If you want ultimate pixel counts, check out the T221 22.2" from IBM. For $8400, you too can have a native QUXGA-W(3840x2400) resolution. Dot pitch is a microscopic .1245

  11. Re:Price? by angle_slam · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you looked at the article, you would see the lowest price is about $3100.

  12. Yikkes.. the spcs suck by catseye · · Score: 5, Insightful

    While a 29-inch LCD sounds cool (suddenly, my 20-inch Apple Cinema Display seems tiny ;) ), those specs are really awful -- a .49 pitch and a max resolution of 1280x768 means the pixels would be huge -- it would be like sitting in front of a stadium jumbotron, each pixel articulated.

    No thanks.

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    1. Re:Yikkes.. the spcs suck by _xeno_ · · Score: 5, Interesting
      I was thinking that too, until I noticed something: it's really a TV. It happens to contain a RGB/DVI adaptor, but from the specs (and the fact that it includes speakers), I think it's really meant to be used as a TV. Which makes a lot more sense - that would be an OK HDTV, but I would agree that it sounds like it would make a really crappy monitor.

      The 17" LCD screen I'm currently staring at has a resolution of 1280x1024 - going down to 1024x786 seems a bit of a drop for a 29" monitor. It's probably intended to also allow usage as a kiosk display from a computer, not to be used as a primary monitor.

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  13. Snuff?! by gpinzone · · Score: 4, Funny

    The response time isnâ(TM)t anything to snuff at...

    Uh, exactly what kind of porn did you test this monitor with?!

  14. A Better Use of $$$ by nherc · · Score: 4, Interesting
    $3k for a lot of real estate. But I think getting say 2 or 3 17" or 19" LCDs and running them with an extended desktop would allow you to actually be more productive and probably save some money.

    Although I suppose this would be the monitor to play Doom III with, IF you have to play it in your office.

    I paid $2400 for a Sharp m20x DLP projector and have a PC running it for HDTV and DVD's in my family room. That's a 133" flat screen for even cheaper. ;)

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  15. Re:Yeah, but . . . by il_diablo · · Score: 5, Funny

    I think a careful examination of the practical longevity [...] requires more features, not more inches.

    Must...resist...obvious...comment.

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  16. Re:Yeah, but . . . by ryanwright · · Score: 3, Interesting

    No joke. I've got a pair of 19" Dell flatpanels that only run @ 1280x1024. Everything is still too big. I'd like to run them @ 1600x1200. A 29" monitor should run something even higher than that...

    If you're only running it @ 1024, or even 1280, it's a waste.

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  17. Its a TV really... by ajiva · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think this thing was really meant to be used as a TV. Notice the component inputs. Yes it has DVI, but that's just a side benefit. The real advantage is hooking up a consumer DVD player and enjoying progressive scan, widescreen DVDs.

  18. am I the only one that sees the irony here by calethix · · Score: 5, Funny

    Thereâ(TM)s no question in my mind that most of you, if it was possible, would love an LCD plopped in front of you rather than a conventional CRT which hogs up 50% of your desk space, well, what if it was not only an LCD but one which is larger than most of your mates home TV? With a viewable area of 29â

    In one sentence, they're complaing about how much space CRTs take up on your desk and the next is about 29" of LCD goodness. I'm not sure that would even fit on my desk. :)

  19. Re:sw33t by DJ+Rubbie · · Score: 5, Informative

    Low refresh rates hurt on CRT screens becase each pixel flickers at that frequency much like a strobe light (think seizures). LCD screens, on the other hand don't have this problem because the backlight glows constantly so it does not flicker like a strobe light. Try waving you hands rapidly back and forth in front of a CRT screen displaying a white background (such as this page) you will find your hands 'flickering'. On a LCD Screen, your hands will not 'flicker'.

    I remember I (or my brother) used to do the waving in front of the old and antiquated 13" CRT screen, and go, Look at all the fingers I have!!!

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  20. 1024 x 768 is worthless... by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 3, Insightful

    1024 x 768 is worthless for a big display of a computer screen. Buy a cheap 1024 x 768 LCD and sit closer. Pixels are everything.

  21. Re:Yeah, but . . . by killmenow · · Score: 4, Funny
    Who would run an LCD that big at 1024?
    I don't know...Mr. Magoo?
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  23. There are better choices for computing by Tyrdium · · Score: 5, Informative

    The NEC 1760V (Tom's Hardware Guide here)is a 17" display with the same resolution and a 16 ms pixel response. It can be had over at newegg for 430 bucks. Granted, the contrast ratio isn't as good at 450:1, but it should be good for everyday use. Lastly, the dpi is a hell of a lot higher, and a good resolution for viewing it at, instead of 1280 x 1024 on a 29" display. The Samsung would be good for watching TV on, but a larger plasma display can probably be had for around the same price.

  24. Not too surprising... by FasterThanLight · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The contrast ratio is 600:1? It better be high- the pixels on this thing are the size of flashlights! What's the point of buying a 29" display if you have to sit three feet away to start enjoying it? Yeah, 29" is a lot of square footage, but you aren't gaining "square pixelage"... which is at least if not more important.

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  25. SyncMaster 172t by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Informative
    Samsung is the innovator of Display Technology, Their LCDS are top notch.

    Bought a SyncMaster 172t, after a few reviews swayed my opinion. It's amazing alright, the only thing I'd ask is for the ability to get the brightness lower. I could literally read by the lowest brightness settings with standard wallpaper displayed. The brightness is so much at the lowest setting I am having some eyestrain problems and have been considering getting smoked plastic to hang over the screen. The lowest setting is more than adequate with daylight coming in a nearby picture window. 500:1 contrast is great, as black is pretty near black and it rocks for watching DVD's on, but who actually uses a brightness setting higher?

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  26. Re:LCD's are still overpriced. by ackthpt · · Score: 3, Informative
    Unless you live in Japan and really need the room, I don't see why anybody would want an LCD monitor.

    I sit behind two CRT's at work and used to have my home desk crowded by a 16" Sun monitor. The real estated, if not the power bill or adjustability/versatility is a major selling point. They're also very sharp and do fine for games, those like the Samsung SyncMaster 172t with faster refresh rates. Considering 17" CRTs used to run ~700$US, LCD monitors are progressing downward in pricing nicely.

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  27. Re:Where's UXGA ?! by NMerriam · · Score: 4, Interesting

    we've been trying to figure that one out for years now. Beautiful 15" 1600x1200 LCDs are available from a number of laptop manufacturers, but desktop LCDs that cost as much as the entire laptop are 20" and still only 1280x1024. Baffling.

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  28. Dude, try a T221 from IBM by Hollinger · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you want a REAL LCD, check out the IBM T221 Flat Panel.

    Let's see... specs...

    * 22.2-inch viewable image area
    * 3840 x 2400 addressability (QUXGA-W)
    * 9.2 million total pixels, 204 pixel density per inch (80 per cm)
    * 16.7 million colors, 8-bit drivers
    * Two models, one with a modified graphics adapter, and one with DVI cables for attachment to DVI graphics adapters
    * Tilt stand
    * Detachable Video Electronics Standards Association (VESA) standard mount size (100 mm) stand
    * Available in stealth black

    This sucker requires four DVI connectors. Check out the various reviews.

  29. Waiting for concave, curving screen. by kobotronic · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I want something like this : (crappy lame untextured quick 3D doodle - a large monitor about the size of the Panasonic, but it should curve slightly inwards.

    This would allow more monitors to be put side by side forming a giant panoramic screen. One benefit of such screens would be uniform eye-to-screen distance which should greatly reduce eye stress (since you won't have to refocus when looking at a different part of the screen.)

    The actual optimal resolution of the screen should be determined by intended viewing distance : Individual pixels would still need to be discernable at a distance of about 3 feet, which makes me think the Panasonic resolution is only slightly under par.

    The curving screen technology will almost certainly be available with the advent of OLED screens - perhaps even with semi-flexible, adjustable curvature.

  30. Samsung's Take on the Resolution Issue by rlsnyder · · Score: 3, Informative
    After reading the repeated posts on the lame resolution, I decided to see what Samsung has to say on their site. Well, basically, they DON'T advertise this thing as monitor. It's not even listed as a product on their site with other monitors.

    It's a TV; they market it as the "Bedroom Home Theater" unit. So, the fact that the review keeps refering to it as a "Monitor" or a "Monitor/PC", and listed it on the Monitor section, is a little misleading. Sure, you can USE it as a monitor. I could also drag race a Winnebago, I suppose.

    The PC Monitor market is not what the the manufacturer is targeting, so this whole "resolution is too crappy for a Monitor" thing is kinda irrelevant.

  31. Re:Yeah, but . . . by nmg196 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's a television - not a monitor (hence the words "television" in the article and on the manual) but you can use it on a PC. 1024 is easily enough to view PAL TV (720x582 lines) or even the lower resolution American system (NTSC) which I think is effectively 640x480 maximum. No wonder TV looks fuzzy when you go to America - I hadn't realised there was such a difference until I checked the stats.

    If you want a monitor, there are much higher resolution LCD displays available. It's only 21" but the Eizo L985EX is very well reviewed.