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Cell Phone Number Portability Ruling

Ken@WearableTech writes "Checking the Court's Opinion site every day has paid off. Verizon's action on the FCC's number portability ruling was dismissed by the D.C. Court of Appeals. The court found that Verizon had waited far too long to bring the challenge and it also sided with the FCC's interpretation of the Law rather than Verizon. Barring any other action we may see number portability this year. Unfortunately, Verizon is already lobbying to have the law changed. But it was also nice to see Cingular was on the FCC's side of the case."

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  1. It's about time by double_plus_ungod · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It doesn't appear to be tecnically challenging to allow numbers to remain the same. Change an entry in a database and there you go. This will increase competition, not decrease it.

    1. Re:It's about time by gfody · · Score: 5, Interesting

      they probably did something really stupid - like using phonenumber as the primary key.

      ever notice on your bill how your account number is your phone number?

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    2. Re:It's about time by usmcpanzer · · Score: 3, Interesting
      It doesn't appear to be tecnically challenging to allow numbers to remain the same. Change an entry in a database and there you go. This will increase competition, not decrease it.
      1. Wrong, the way AT&T sees it, it will be a huge mess. First off, each comapany ownes their exchange of numbers (ie: xxx-287-xxxx). The solution so far provided esentially is forwarding calls from that number to whatever your new company gives you. Huge headaches if you think about what happens if you switch 2 or more times. Second, its an excuse for another fee. I've heard anywhere from $35(defenitely) to $300(probably to discourage you from it). What needs to be done is an industry coalition numbering authority that owns and issues
      2. single numbers, not ranges. But that would put off number portatbility for a few more years. Unless they do that, expect to see an exponential rise in the need for new numbers, area codes, and eventully new digits if your having your original number forward +4 times, each number owned by you!
  2. I'm confused... by Bull999999 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    At first, Verizon was protecting the rights of the consumers by fighting RIAA but now they are going against the consumers by fighting a law backed my congress that was against the consumers by helping RIAA expect recently introduced a bill by a senator to help the consumers...

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  3. Odd. by Elwood+P+Dowd · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I want phone number portability so that I can switch from Cingular's towers to Verizon's. Verizon has much, much better customer support and reception where I live. Don't they think they're going to win here?

    Of course, they're also much more expensive, but...

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  4. charge for it by dirvish · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Why doesn't Verizon just charge a number portability fee like the land-line phone companies do? Is the FCC or the courts stopping them? If there only argument against portability is cost why don't they pass the cost off to the customers? Then Cingular can capatalize on it w/ a No Portability Charge ad campaign since they seem to be in favor of protability. Works for everyone...except maybe customers.

    1. Re:charge for it by BrynM · · Score: 2, Interesting
      So what happened to the money collected so far? I would think that the payments collected for a service that hasn't been activated for years might help defer the cost of finally activating that service. This says that "Southwestern Bell charges 33 cents to each customer" and has been for since 1999. So let's see, this says that SBC has "6.9 million wireless customers across the United States" as of 1999. It's been 54 months since January 1, 1999 including this month. 54 * 6,900,000 = 372,600,000 months of total charges. 372,600,000 * $0.33 = $122,958,000.00 which makes a $22,958,000.00 profit(!!!!) on the $100,000,000.00 re-tooling you mention if it were SBC. That's not even counting the growth of the customer base since 1999!

      Are the Feds keeping track of how much is collected? Probably not. I suspect nobody is but some wily executives and accountants.

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  5. Number Hogging by sunilonline · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Why did the US decide to keep it so that cell phones shared numbers with landline area codes, unlike other countries, such as India, who have dedicated cell area codes? It is so impractical because cell phone numbers are constantly changing, whereas landline numbers are not. Even with this new law, people still move around, and wouldn't mind keeping the same cell number, esp. when they have a billion minutes...

  6. Verizon is always complaining. by bleh-of-the-huns · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What is up with verizon, they complain about everything, they lobby'd to get deregulated, promising that if that happened they would provide data services to homes, that happened, and Verizon backed out of that and refuse to push out data services. Now they are bitching about number portability... Odds are this has nothing to do with cost, the only reason is because if they did enable it, most of their customers would jump ship, because their pricing, and customer service is the worst, of anything, cell provider, phone provider, data services, they are always rated the worst.

    Its time someone bitch slapped Verizon. They are only fighting for their own survival, and still raking in the money for poor services.

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  7. information about the law by ih8apple · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The law has been on the books since 1996 and was supposed to take effect no later than 1999, but the FCC has deferred implementation repeatedly for years. However, the FCC has said repeatededly that they will not defer implementation again and I'm becoming more optimistic that number portability will actually become real in Nov. (Rather than renewing my contract with AT&T (for another free new phone) as I've done for 4 years just to keep the same number, I'm holding off till Nov or till I hear that the law is deferred again. If the FCC doesn't defer again, GOODBYE AT&T!!!!!)

    Another important point is that the cell phone companies have been adding fees for a couple of years now with the excuse to the FCC being "upgrading their systems" to support portability. They can't have it both ways, asking us to pay fees to support portability and then not give us portability.

  8. Portable numbers? How about a DNS-like system? by possible · · Score: 4, Interesting

    While I agree with the ruling, it would be nice to have a DNS-like system for telephone numbers. Map names to numbers, allow the numbers to change while the name stays the same.

    1. Re:Portable numbers? How about a DNS-like system? by possible · · Score: 2, Interesting

      In my post I specifically said "a DNS-like system". In your response you described a system that works nothing like DNS, so let me clue you in.

      DNS works by using hierarchical mnemonic names with uniqueness enforced by a registry. It allows you to map these UNIQUE names to IP addresses. I don't know about you, but when I try to visit a website, I don't type into my browser "I'd like to visit the website of Bill's Soda Company in Wilmington", I type www.billsodaco.com. It works pretty well.

    2. Re:Portable numbers? How about a DNS-like system? by Telastyn · · Score: 2, Interesting

      As others have mentioned, names are not unique. Why not make domains then?

      Foo-Bar@NY.NY#verizon.phone

      Personally, I think the idea has the same problems that cause most people to not list their phone #. AND the problems that DNS has [collisions]. AND it would require the phone companies to admin a DNS-esque server; Verizon can't even keep a T1 working for more than a month.

    3. Re:Portable numbers? How about a DNS-like system? by brianjcain · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Would you believe that they're trying to go at it the other way around? Mapping "names" (consisting only of numbers) to phone numbers. The benefit is that the phone numbers are already a globally unique addressing system.

      Or at least, that's my trivial understanding of enum.

  9. bad ethics is bad business. by twitter · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Verizon is a public corporation. It answers to its shareholders, who's only concern is profit.

    That's a poor excuse for unethical behavior and it does not lead to profits. When you see reasoning like that, sell out, quit and don't buy what they are selling. Someone else will do it better eventually.

    A company has obligations to it's shareholders, it's customers and it's employees. Any company that decides to screw one of those three interests for the others will get around to screwing everyone. When you think it's OK to screw people, you screw everyone.

    Anti competitive behavior screws all three interests at the same time. It screws the share holder by driving out other legitimate investments. It screws the customer by monopoly rents. It screws the employees by destroying competitive employers. Anti competitive behavior also leads to stagnation, which screws all three intersts again by blocking legitimate industry growth.

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  10. Generally, I see two issues... by mixy1plik · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Wireless adoption has, to be sure, grown in leaps and bounds over the last few years. I remember my first cell phone at the end of '97. I was headed off to college and I picked up a Nokia 252 (Verizon Wireless, in VT). Aside from the general lack of good deals on plans it was still a relatively new deal for most people. Seeing what you get now it quite impressive in comparison, but it's crazy you're so locked with one provider.

    The two issues I think are number portability as well as the fundamental fact that you still pay for incoming calls. The wireless industry has claimed essentially we don't want it, which is quite silly. I'm glad the FCC won this time, because I'm somewhat unhappy with my current carrier. Since switching to digital at the beginning of '99, I have kept the same number. I want to move to another carrier but, like many, I have an established number that I want to keep. Use an online voicemail service as my home number and it's great not getting solicitors waking me up at 7am. Switching to a provider with better coverage in my area will make my life so much easier- and I keep my number!

  11. Re:Easy to solve by BlueTooth · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I always give out my cell phone number as my contact number. I have gotten one telemarketer in 4 years on the cell phone, compared to daily calls on the landline (which number I never gave out, I have Verizon to thank for that).

    The thing is, it is illegal to make telemarketing calls to cell phones (since it costs the recipient money). My theory is that the telemarketers have a "block list" of area code/exchanges that are used by the cell companies.

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  12. Lies, lies, lies, yeah!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    They are already portable. My girlfriend works at a certain 3-letter telecommunications company striving back towards profitability, and wireless carriers have been LNP (local number portability) capable since November 2002. This is when they started donating number blocks on a voluntary basis (used to be in counts of 10,000, but is now in counts of 1000) to the number pool. All carriers (who have needed them) have received wireless numbers from the pool, and have donated them into the number pool when necessary. Pooling has been going on since 1998 on a voluntary basis (and is impossible unless the number is LNP-capable), this means that all the carriers basically put the numbers in a pool (very inventive name, eh?) and take them as they need them. And yes, number porting can be done while the number is "live", or already assigned to someone.

    They are stalling because they're worried they'll lose customers due to bad service. Hmm, wonder why that is??? ;-)

  13. Go with verizon by Bruha · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Verizon has the largest wireless footprint in the US while AT&T and others do not work well once you're away from the interstates.

    You definately dont want to pay the national roaming network.

  14. Agreed, (sort of...) by qtp · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I was refering to the sense of entitlement that companies who are dependant on an anticompetative business model. The lowering cost of infrastructure that Open Source and Free Software enables threatens businesses that previously could count on a "locked in" customer base.

    OTOH, the portability of cell phone numbers is likely to cause customers to gravitate towards the company that owns the largest network. Perhaps cell phone number portability would create competition only in a market where the towers and network were owned by companies not offering the service to end users, but were charging the service providers for access to a market.

    It seems that these businesses are willing to do anything to retain thier customer base except for offer better terms to thier customers. Cingular (T-Mobile, VoiceStream, whatever) is beginning to show a similar attitude to thier customers as they increasingly own a larger portion of the SMS network. When they own 80% or more of the towers in a given market, they can afford to act as a monopoly.

    --qtp

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