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He Blows Things Up So You Don't Have To

Red Wolf writes "Popular Science reports on what is possibly the world's coolest job. During his 19 years as a laboratory technician for Underwriters Laboratories, Chuck Cramer has set coffeemakers on fire, knocked computers off desks, short-circuited fans, and blown up everything from toasters to curling irons - all in the name of consumer safety."

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  1. Sheesh, all that.. by cenobita · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ..and things like that still happen to those of us who buy the damned things!

  2. "popular science reports" by Barbarian · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Can't they write anything more extensive than this? This is basically the guy's portfolio for when he goes job hunting.

    1. Re:"popular science reports" by PetWolverine · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Can't they write anything more extensive than this?

      Of course not; it's Popular Science. They write in-depth about some new fighter plane or bomber or tank or aircraft carrier with almost every single issue. When they find something actually interesting like this, they write a little blurb, 150 words or less, and stick it somewhere no one will find it unless, like me, they read magazines cover to cover. That's why I'm not going to renew my subscription. (A note for those who will inevitably wonder why I have a subscription: It wasn't always like that.)

      Popular War Machines, maybe, or Popular Aggression--they don't deserve the title Popular Science any more.

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  3. Protect them from themselves? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They're not protecting consumers from themselves, but rather from poor manufacturing.

    1. Re:Protect them from themselves? by der_joachim · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They're not protecting consumers from themselves, but rather from poor manufacturing.

      Not necessarily. People do stupid things all the time. If you drive a car while drunk, is it the car manufacturer's fault if you drive into a tree and are severely wounded? No. The same goes for household appliances. If a consumer is doing potentially dangerous things with his or her household applicances, it is (at least it should be) his or her own responsibility if something bad happens.

      Unfortunately, these things happen all the time. In the netherlands, several thousands of such accidents are reported. Darwin would turn in his grave.

      der Joachim

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    2. Re:Protect them from themselves? by The+Tyro · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I disagree, but only slightly.

      These guys not only protect from poor manufacturering... they're also in the idiot-proofing business.

      Manufacturers these days have to take into account nearly every stupid, "hey guys, watch this!" scenario that anyone can do with a product.... and either improve it, or add a warning label (much of this is driven, of course, by our litigious society, and a cadre of personal injury lawyers happy to help).

      As an example, I just got a little fire-truck, sit and scoot/walker thingie for my young son. It came with a bunch of stickers you could apply to it... but by far the largest sticker (already applied by the manufacturer) was the enormous trilingual warning label on the back. Man, was I relieved! After all, without that label I might have let him run the thing off the top of the steps or something. I can take a paternalistic lecture from somebody so Uber-1337 in their field that I have no chance of ever understanding it or reaching their level of expertise... but I wish they'd save the common sense hand-holding advice. Most people resent being treated like idiots, so I don't think I'm beyond the pale on this one.

      These guys help the manufacturers... but they also help protect joe citizen who puts waaaay too damn many devices on the power strip (Hmmm... nobody HERE would be guilty of that, would they?)

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    3. Re:Protect them from themselves? by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      They're not protecting consumers from themselves, but rather from poor manufacturing.

      then why is there a warning on my Girlfriends curling iron that states "Do not insert this appliance into any bodily orifices.. severe burns will result."

      Sorry, but the UL listing requires warnings for the absolutely stupidest people... like toasters with warning to "do not use in a bathtub"

      there is a large part of our population that has an IQ under 100.. (Almost all of them in marketing and sales departments.. ohhh it was a cheap shot but it felt sooo good!)

      the UL protects the idiots from themselves by requiring certian warning labels.

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    4. Re:Protect them from themselves? by apdt · · Score: 5, Funny

      there is a large part of our population that has an IQ under 100..

      Would that be about 50% per chance?

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    5. Re:Protect them from themselves? by Tackhead · · Score: 4, Funny
      > Three words that everyone here has seen on way too many little packets:
      >
      >DO NOT EAT.

      Knew a chick in high school who was anorexic. Can she sue the makers of silica gel for that?

    6. Re:Protect them from themselves? by passion · · Score: 4, Funny

      If you drive a car while drunk, is it the car manufacturer's fault if you drive into a tree and are severely wounded?

      People would stop driving drunk if there was a massive explosive-backed spike aiming at them - embedded in the steering column. In fact, if all cars had this feature, we'd see much more polite drivers... while we're at it, make the body out of glass, and we'd see an end to road rage as we know it.

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    7. Re:Protect them from themselves? by Stuart+Gibson · · Score: 4, Funny

      To quote George Carlin:

      "Think of how stupid the average person is. Half of them are more stupid than that".

      Goblin

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    8. Re:Protect them from themselves? by SN74S181 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But you've failed to note that the proposed solution would kill those people.

      It isn't simply a matter of changing their behavior. Eliminating them from the road would be fine, too.

  4. Misleading subject by Ignorant+Aardvark · · Score: 5, Funny

    "He blows things up so you don't have to"

    What?! But I want to blow things up!

    1. Re:Misleading subject by Surak · · Score: 4, Funny

      What?! But I want to blow things up!

      This is Agent Smith. We've had our eye on you for sometime, Mr. Aardvark..

    2. Re:Misleading subject by Ignorant+Aardvark · · Score: 5, Funny

      Surak: As you can see, we've had our eye on you for some time now, Mr. Aardvark. It seems that you've been living two lives. In one life, you're Ben R. McIlwain, college-bound high school graduate, you have a social security number, you pay your taxes, and you help your mother carry out her garbage. The other life is lived in computers, where you go by the slashdot alias Ignorant Aardvark and are guilty of virtually every modding crime we have a law for. One of these lives has a future, and one of them does not. I'm going to be as forthcoming as I can be, Mr. Aardvark. You're here because we need your help. We know that you've been contacted by a certain individual, a man who calls himself Cowboyneal. Now whatever you think you know about this man is irrelevant. He is considered by many authorities to be the most dangerous poll option alive. My colleagues believe that I am wasting my time with you but I believe that you wish to do the right thing. We're willing to wipe the slate clean, give you a fresh start and all that we're asking in return is your cooperation in bringing a known terrorist to justice.

      Ignorant Aardvark: Whoaa.

  5. They'll Never Stop Me. by Flying-Cow-Man · · Score: 5, Funny

    As much as these so-called "consumer safety" tests try, they'll never stop me blowing up my own appliances.

    It's just too darn fun.

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    1. Re:They'll Never Stop Me. by anshil · · Score: 5, Funny

      As they say: You cannot make anything idiot-proof, because idiots are so ingenious.

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  6. So there is someone behind the madness, afterall.. by aerojad · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...and blown up everything from toasters to curling irons - all in the name of consumer safety.

    So is it him we have to thank for the warning label on my paper shredder that indicates I shouldn't try and shread my tie while it's still around my neck?

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  7. Demolition Man... by Noryungi · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yes, that's the coolest job in the world.

    As a matter of fact, this is the job I have always wanted, but I never realized it until today and this Slashdot article.

    My day is now ruined. Heck, my entire life is ruined!

    I hate you Slashdot, you, you... insensitive clod!

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  8. UL approval means less than it used to by Markmarkmark · · Score: 5, Insightful

    IMHO, UL approval has gotten too regimented and isn't worth what it used to be worth. Now component makers get UL approval for their components (power supply, power cord, etc.) and then a manufacturer buys this component, uses it in some design that the folks at UL never even saw. Of course the manufacturer still slaps that UL logo right on the box.

    Also, UL can be a bad thing for some manufacturers. Many national chains (Wal-Mart etc.) will not carry anything electrical if it doesn't have that UL logo. The testing costs money and takes time which can put small companies at a disadvantage. If your creation is so innovative that UL's quickie lab doesn't quite know what to make of this thing from a company they've never heard of, then it may take a long time (longer than your capital lasts) to get your new widget into national distribution.

    1. Re:UL approval means less than it used to by theLOUDroom · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Also, UL can be a bad thing for some manufacturers. Many national chains (Wal-Mart etc.) will not carry anything electrical if it doesn't have that UL logo. The testing costs money and takes time which can put small companies at a disadvantage. If your creation is so innovative that UL's quickie lab doesn't quite know what to make of this thing from a company they've never heard of, then it may take a long time (longer than your capital lasts) to get your new widget into national distribution.

      Yeah testing costs money, but really, how can you claim your product is safe if you don't test it? The solution is definately not to left people get away without having their products tested.

      Product development these days, costs a lot of money. Testing is a necessary part of that develpoment. Think about it this way:

      I walk into a store. There's a few automatic coffee pots there on the shelf. One is a band I've never heard of and isn't certified by anybody. The others are well-know brands and are all UL-listed. How the heck an I supposed to know what the story with your small company's product is? Maybe you didn't have the money to get it certified. Maybe you didn't care. Maybe it wouldn't pass, and is dangerous. There's no way for me as consumer to know which possibility it is.
      You have to admit that, if I buy your product, I'm taking a gamble in terms of saftey. IMO testing is especially important for small/new companies, because they don't have an established reputation to rely on. I don't know you? I don't trust you. Proove to me that you give a @#$% about building a quality product. Every sticker on that box, is another name I already know, vouching for your product.


      Now here's a general good tip on getting things tested:
      Send someone to the lab where you're getting your product tested. If you don't do that, some labs will their time (and bill you for it).

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    2. Re:UL approval means less than it used to by kongjie · · Score: 4, Informative
      There is no such thing as "UL approval": UL basically uses three terms, none of which are "approved":

      1. Listing

      2. Recognition

      3. Classification

      "UL Listing" requires submission of the whole product to UL for testing. What you describe in your first paragraph is a product that uses UL-recognized components, but itself is not UL-listed, nor can it legally claim to be.

      In regard to your second point, I personally know a tiny, one-man company who has submitted his product to UL, developed product testing routines and gotten the product UL-listed. It wasn't a nightmare at all.

    3. Re:UL approval means less than it used to by whatch+durrin · · Score: 5, Informative
      There are very specific rules for being able to say you met a UL standard or are UL compliant. Using UL approved materials or assemblies in your new, totally different overall assembly is not (necessarily**) one of them.

      If you'll look at a product with the UL logo, there should be a File Number listed there with it. I'm looking at the bottom of my keyboard and see "E140034." If I go to the UL website and search by this file number, it brings up details on the component that was approved. If you see a UL logo with no File Number, something's probably wrong.

      UL is very strict about using their logo and certifications on a product.

      **I worked at a company that bought existing components (including the enclosure) to make motor control centers and PLC cabinets. We were UL "compliant" as long as we used a very specific set of standards handed to us by UL dictating what components we used and how we used them. UL also came and inspected our work occasionally to make sure it was up to snuff. We were not entitled to put a UL stamp on our finished product, however.

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  9. Hey! by Manos+Batsis · · Score: 5, Funny

    I am a coffeemaker you insensitive clod!

  10. Servertest? by richie2000 · · Score: 4, Funny

    This submission is part of his testing the PopSci server for the Slashdot effect. Beware of non-tested servers!

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  11. Even Cooler Job by occamboy · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I've got a buddy that tests jet engine failure modes. His group does things to engines that are mounted on BIG concrete blocks and set running at full throttle.

    What kind of things do they do to engines? Well...

    • firing assorted frozen birds from a cannon at 600 MPH into the engine to see what happens.
    • Setting off explosive charges in the engine to make sure that the resulting blizzard of metal ejects out the back of the engine, rather than the sides, where it could wreck mayhem.
    The results are filmed for analysis - unfortunately, the films are are confidential.
    1. Re:Even Cooler Job by non · · Score: 4, Funny

      'assorted frozen birds?'
      assorted?. not that i've ever heard. chickens and turkeys probably. frozen, no, not at all.

      there is a famous story involving the safety program for very high-speed trains in an unnamed european country. they speak to the americans about how they test turbines for use in commercial aircraft, and decide that they will use the same basic testing setup. they put the bird right through the windshield of the train _and_ through the driver's seat and embed it in a rack of equipment. they call to the US and inquire as to whether that outcome should be expected. they're told 'no.' they send a detailed description of the test program; the reply, 'defrost the bird.'

      (heard from the head of testing for a large commercial jet enging program)

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  12. I can't speak for anyone else here by 3.5+stripes · · Score: 4, Funny

    But I personally, don't ever have to blow anything up. It's usually accidental.

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    He tried to kill me with a forklift!
  13. Unsatisfying story! by tjensor · · Score: 4, Funny

    I demand video of things been blown up!

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  14. Probably not the coolest by Eric(b0mb)Dennis · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sure, he gets to blow stuff up

    But imagine the extensive safety reports he must have to write, combined with the countless testing/retesting of products...

    I'd imagine it would get tedious, like just about any job

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    1. Re:Probably not the coolest by gosand · · Score: 4, Funny
      Sure, he gets to blow stuff up But imagine the extensive safety reports he must have to write, combined with the countless testing/retesting of products... I'd imagine it would get tedious, like just about any job

      Yeah, like porn star. Man, I would hate to have either of those jobs! Yep - tedious, just like sitting in this cubicle.... Poor saps.

      *SOB*

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  15. Been there, done that ..... almost ..... by ajs318 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    My last job involved a lot of testing work, since I was working for a company that made electronic control modules that went in larger items -- tractor transmision controls, gas boiler ignition / fan controls, and the like. Unfortunately, most of the stuff we made was just too well designed to pack up, and there were few spectacular failures. Maybe all the interesting stuff happened on the complete systems ..... we did once send out a batch of tractor gear controllers with the wrong firmware in them. Shortly after that we had to send a technician with a laptop and a programming lead. Shortly after that we had to send another technician with a USB-to-RS232 converter .....

    Of course, sometimes the test equipment would give way instead! For "live" testing gas boilers, we had this contraption with a pump, expansion vessel and heat exchanger, allowing the boiler to heat water which was simply chucked down the drain {not much else you can do with it unfortunately .....} and occasionally it would leak big-style, or someone would forget to put the hose in the drain. Never got a decent gas leak though ..... although you could get some interesting smells! {I'm talking modern UK appliances with fan-assisted combustion here, so no CO by definition.}

    We had surge test equipment for inducing high-voltage spikes onto the power lines of equipment ..... mains stuff {230V low-current} was never as interesting as automotive stuff {13.5V high-current} when it packed up. The latter would sometimes go on fire. The surge kit was also known to have deleterious effects on oscilloscope input preamps, but how else do you make sure that there really are noise pulses on the leads? Oh, and it used some really brain-dead software that refused to accept any filename longer than 8.3 characters, despite running on Windows 95 OSR2.

    One product whose testing I missed was a 12kW electric water heater, which involved passing some 50-odd amps of current {approaching automotive levels and now with the added delights of sensible voltages as well!} through {very fat!} PCB tracks close to a copper tube filled with fast-moving water. As you probably can imagine, one bad connection on that contraption could have led to interesting results.

    I don't miss the lousy wages they paid, though ..... nor the way they treated their workers .....

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  16. Time for a new poll! by mblase · · Score: 4, Funny
    World's coolest job?
    • Blowing consumer products up
    • Blowing old buildings up
    • Blowing Microsoft computers up
    • Blowing NPCs up
    • CowboyNeal blows me down
  17. My great uncle had a better job at REI by Neuticle · · Score: 4, Interesting

    - My great uncle Cal used to be the lead engineer for REI. He was responsible for testing all the equipment. Lab equipment was used to test things like the breaking force of carabiners, but a lot of the time he tested stuff in the field i.e. go backpacking or mountaineering with some new gear and abuse the hell out of it. In the attempt to push things to the limit, he often came up with crazy ways to test things, e.g. one time he set up a tent, affixed it to the top of his car and hit the highway to simulate 70mph winds on the tent.

    CNN did a spot on him a few years ago before he retired (I need to dig up that tape), profiling him and his job. He invented a few climbing gadgets (I can't remember which now) and improved many others, climbed a load of mountains with some of the more famous mountaineers, and got paid to play outside. Now THAT's a cool job. Last time I talked to him (`02) he was still backcountry skiing out to yurts. He's in his 70s.

    (Needless to say: our family's co-op numbers were LOW)

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  18. He's already saved the life of one person by shanmonster · · Score: 5, Informative

    His line of work recently saved the life of a would-be murder victim. Check it out: http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/2304602/detail.htm l

  19. Used to do something similar... by CharlieG · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I used to be in a slightly different branch of the field, and I knew a lot of the guys from UL when it was on Long Island

    You know rugged "Mil-Spec" stuff is. You know how you see the terms "Tested to Mil-Std-810". Thats what I did. Now, this was more than 10 years ago, but I've seen how you can mount hard drives to survive being in a tank. I've seen films of what can go wrong if an external fuel tanl lets go on a Carrier Landing, and I've helped folks design stuff to survive this

    BTW think about a computer in a tank. Your in battle, and another tank shoots at you, and ALMOST penetrates, say the turret. That BIG piece of steel if just been pounded big what is effectivly a HUGE hammmer. The computer that as mounted to it has to keep working, so you can return fire, and hopefully live to another day

    Or, you mount your hard drive to the Space Shuttle, or to a Delta/Titan/etc. Do you have ANY idea how much those things shake? Not only by transmitted vibration, but by sheer NOISE. The noise alone will rip most consumer items apart

    Some fun tests I saw films of? Let's say you have a door (Nuke reactor building). What happens if there is a tornado? A telephone pole can be picked up, and thrown against the door, narrow end first, at about 300 MPH. That door better hold. So you build a prototype, build a wall, and fire a telephone pole at the door at 300 mph, more than once

    Other fun tests? Look up the term "Naval Heavyweight shock". Now imagine do that for a living

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  20. anybody else remember Letterman's safety calls? by SolemnDragon · · Score: 4, Funny
    Dave Letterman would drop tv sets out windows, yes. And water coolers, office chairs or other equipment, whatever was handy. But by far the coolest Dave Letterman Destruction was the time when he called GE's consumer help line, and asked them what would happen if he put a bowl full of their light bulbs into one of their microwaves.

    Dave: So, what do you think would happen?
    (woman's voice): Umm.... we don't recommend that you do that, Sir....
    Dave: But you don't know what would happen?
    (Woman's Voice): Hold on, let me get my supervisor.
    (Supervisor) : Hello?
    Dave: Hi there! What would happen if we put a bowlful of your lightbulbs into one of your microwaves?
    It was a fairly long conversation, with the GE fellow hemming and hawing and Dave asking questions such as, Will it blow up? Will the lightbulbs explode first, or the microwave?The supervisor finally said look, we can't be held responsible for anything that happens, because we're telling you not to, that's not an appropriate use of the equipment, etc... and then, with the GE supervisor still on the phone, Dave put them in and hit the start button, describing every step as he went. The microwave caught fire, i recall (i don't remember which blew up first) and the whole mess had to be put out with fire extinguishers. It was a nightmare for GE, they never lived it down. People were calling for months.
  21. Stop the misinformation by Adam9 · · Score: 4, Informative
    Oh for god sakes. I thought everyone knew the truth about this by now. Here are some facts:

    (Taken from http://lawandhelp.com/q298-2.htm)

    McFact No. 1: For years, McDonald's had known they had a problem with the way they make their coffee - that their coffee was served much hotter (at least 20 degrees more so) than at other restaurants.

    McFact No. 2: McDonald's knew its coffee sometimes caused serious injuries - more than 700 incidents of scalding coffee burns in the past decade have been settled by the Corporation - and yet they never so much as consulted a burn expert regarding the issue.

    McFact No. 3: The woman involved in this infamous case suffered very serious injuries - third degree burns on her groin, thighs and buttocks that required skin grafts and a seven-day hospital stay.

    McFact No. 4: The woman, an 81-year old former department store clerk who had never before filed suit against anyone, said she wouldn't have brought the lawsuit against McDonald's had the Corporation not dismissed her request for compensation for medical bills.

    McFact No. 5: A McDonald's quality assurance manager testified in the case that the Corporation was aware of the risk of serving dangerously hot coffee and had no plans to either turn down the heat or to post warning about the possibility of severe burns, even though most customers wouldn't think it was possible.

    McFact No. 6: After careful deliberation, the jury found McDonald's was liable because the facts were overwhelmingly against the company. When it came to the punitive damages, the jury found that McDonald's had engaged in willful, reckless, malicious, or wanton conduct, and rendered a punitive damage award of 2.7 million dollars. (The equivalent of just two days of coffee sales, McDonalds Corporation generates revenues in excess of 1.3 million dollars daily from the sale of its coffee, selling 1 billion cups each year.)

    McFact No. 7: On appeal, a judge lowered the award to $480,000, a fact not widely publicized in the media.

  22. Interview by nocomment · · Score: 4, Interesting

    We have got to interview this guy!

    Question 1> What what the coolest thing you ever got to blow up, and what were the results of that?

    Question 2> What was the most dangerous thing you ever tested that made it to market?

    yadda yadda...

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  23. Many UL certifications on power supplies are fake by Animats · · Score: 4, Informative
    There's a serious problem with fake UL certifications on power supplies from China. UL has been having U.S. Customs seize stuff that bears a fake UL mark, with 112 seizures last year, but that's only getting a small fraction of the junk. China seems to be the main country that forges the UL label, and UL is now requiring all UL labels on power supplies, cord sets, and surge suppressors on products manufactured in China bear hologram UL labels which are distributed through UL, not printed by the manufacturer.

    UL has online certification search. Look up those E-numbers and make sure that they match the manufacturer info. Report phonies to UL and the Consumer Product Safety Commission. If you're in telecom or data center operations, it's definitely worth checking wall transformers against the database.

    A power supply that passes UL testing will not catch fire if dead-shorted indefinitely. It will not catch fire due to a single-component failure. Some of the phonies will catch fire if merely loaded up to their rated load.

    Some review site (ExtremeTech?) did a PC power supply review a few months back, and many of the power supplies wouldn't deliver their rated voltage at full load. Three of the power supplies caught fire. All the ones that passed were in the UL database. None of the ones that caught fire were.

    That UL label really means something.