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First Dual-emission OLED Display in a Phone
roc_face writes "Japanese electronics joint-venture company ELDis has come up with the world's first dual-emission organic light-emitting diode (OLED) display for a mobile phone. This means the screen can be viewed from both sides. It was on display at the annual Flat Panel Display exposition in Tokyo this week."
Am I missing something? The /. summary is almost as long as the article itself.
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Wouldn't that mean that all the text on one side of the screen would come out backwards?
How useful is that?
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"world's first dual-emission organic light-emitting diode (OLED) display for a mobile phone."
Er...who gives a shit?
Cool, with this device and a mirror I will be able to watch two screens showing the same image at the same time.
Seriously though, it will make it very hard to hide from your friends what a lousy nibbles player you are.
It's all fun and games until your signifigant other sends you some homemade porn during a business meeting.
It strikes me that this has a number of great applications, above mobile phone use.
How about Roadside Signs which are readable on both sides?
(for that "I wonder what exit I just missed feeling)
Also, laptop displays that can be viewed on one side while an over head projector reads the other?
I like this tech. Anyone got any numbers for brightness and power consumption?
But what is the SIGnificance?
now you can make the fliper on your phone out of it and be able to see the screen if your phone is opened or closed oh and it would be backwards but the phone can easly detect wether the phone is open or closed and mirror it acordingly all we need now is to build the rest of the hard ware into the screen so all we would just have a screen nothing else then we could have properly skinable phones
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So, next time my girlfriend sends me a... suggesting picture of hers on my mob, you get to see it too?
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We apologise for the inconvenience
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Now, if the back of the screen showed the back of the picture, too
[*bibilip*
[glances at closed flip-open phone]
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Here's an informative article from The Economist which explains that we should soon be able to mould screens and use them in broad daylight.
OK Guys- the jokes about using a mirror to see both screens and spinning your phone fast are not that funny. This has serious uses, not to mention it is a great example of the mythical OLED technology finally coming to market. For example: you know how your flip phone has that single line of text for caller ID or whatever on the outside? What if it had a whole screen, and you could see the person's picture when the called. How about if it were a viewfinder for a now-smaller ELF like camera? It is clunky moving an open phone around to take pictures. Now you can have Geiss like effects when you listen to your phone as an MP3 Player too. In other words, it just provides the possibility and the convenience of doing everything (non-call related) with the phone closed, that you normally require the phone open for.
well i guess we'll call them Japanese walls.
They consume much less power than current devices and have faster response times.
;-)
This seems like a much more interesting fact about them than that they can be viewed from both sides. I suppose one could take advantage of the dual-viewable nature, but it seems like something we already have an adaquate solution for: place a screen on each surface you want to have a screen on. Duh!
On the other hand, I suppose the 2 sided viewability could be potentially beneficial to hybrid tablet PCs, which until now have had to rely on fragile-looking swivel mechanisms to rotate the screen between laptop and tablet functionality.
Any indication as to whether or not the images on each side are identical (i.e. the back is a mirror image of the front) or if they can be controlled independantly?
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Some more ideas If you can also see through the display, it could have all sorts of head-up display uses. Not that I think you should be on the phone when you're flying that euro-fighter. It might also make battleships a viable game for 2 on a mobile. We need to know about whether the two sides if the display can display different things.
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Dual-emission OLED Display That just SOUNDS like cancer. I thought one emission point was enough.
It is obvious why it is dual display: because it is on a flip phone. When the phone is closed, it will just mirror the image so it looks normal on the other side. This will make the phone a lot cheaper and have a lot of functions because now designers can dedicate more of the phone to a big screen... You don't have to have the cheap little monochrome lcd on the outside for caller id or something.
To this day is it not known how the ancient Egyptians managed to build the pyramids without being able to read their cell phones from both sides. One theory suggests rotary technology; more audacious mavericks wonder if they perhaps did not have phones at all.
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Reading Slashdot before putting your glasses on can be MUCH more interesting.
I saw:
First Dual-emission OLEO Display in a Phone
How neat would that be? A margarine-based display? Talk about low production costs!
Somebody get that guy an ambulance!
This is indeed great for status display on a device like a phone.
The problem now is in tablet devices- we're seeing a shift to proper capacitative pads, instead of the topcoating matrix used in, say, early Palms and Psions. To create a 'convertible' PDA out of one of these, you're stuck with the older technology- and you'll need to apply it to both sides.
I also wonder how well these can render black; do they have an LCD layer sandwiched in the middle?
Verdict: Cool for embedding a TV in your living room window, if you don't plan to watch any porn. (Now, what if it were transmissive, but with microreflectors behind the OLED cells, just enough to aim the light one way and block/diffuse/blur it in the other?)
does the chick come with the phone? I bet that phone costs soo much that it should come with lips.
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I wonder if they have a version that has or can make the pixels clear.
That would be cool. Imagine a large wall that has graphics on it but is also translucent. You know, like those screens you always see in sci-fi movies. Add some touch sensors...
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There's all this talk about "ELDis", but I can't seem to find them on the net. Anyone have an URL for them?
Also, I remember an article in Scientific American a couple of years ago about trying to create a display that was made of small particles, which could be rotated (or something like that) into the proper position to show the proper color. It was proposed as a great idea for e-books. First, because b&w was easiest. Second, because once the particles where in the proper position, no more power needed to be applied to the screen, they would just stay put, which meant that the only power consumption was in turning pages. Anyway, anyone know whatever happened to that project?
Ok guys, the major problem with OLED's is lifetime. In particular, they die after a certain number of Coulombs of charge have been pumped through them (while they are at a given temperature! increase the temp by 10 deg C and the lifetime drops in half!). So this means the total number of photons you get out is limiting. You want it bright so you can see it outside as well. This means that you generally want ALL the photons going to the viewer (using reflective matrix or lenticular material, etc.) to help do this. If half the photons go out the back, you have to drive it twice as hard to get the same usable brightness! Bad idea...
"Except that plexiglass doesn't need power, is pretty resistant to shaking and twisting, doesn't mind a little water, isn't affected by EMP...
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Waitaminute. You mean they are still using pencil-and-paper instead of computers to control those things down there? (same argument for against manual vs. computer navigated subs, surely?)
So THAT'S how Dr. Banner in the tv series exposed himself to all that gamma radiation. That dual-emission display gave double the amount of radiation when he thought he was only getting half that. Silly me. Why didn't I see it before?
Perhaps they'll need a warning label:
*DANGER* Too much exposure to this screen may lead to unintended skin pigment changes along with growth in body mass.
Wait, that can be said for all screens... erm, yeah.
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The Great Wall of China is just one example off the top of my head. What exactly did you mean by "Chinese walls?"
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Its got mufflers? Is there something about OLEDs that I missed??
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You could fasshion several of these in front of eachother and get a 3D image could you not?
or possibly into a box shape if you had an assured angle of perspective.
seems like a wast on a cell phone but I'm glad they finally showed up
See http://www.usdc.org/technical/downloads/Web_Report _0101/sld027.htm which is a Philips slide saying a 640x480 display will draw 28W. Not for my laptop, thanks. This is why all the bigger displays are 1 off demos for hype, and only the very small ones (about 2" diagonal max) are in production.
The other big problem is phosphor life which varies with colour (blue is worst) and getting 10k hours is very difficult unless temperature is kept moderate.
However, these displays look very good, although maybe too good for reasonable privacy because the viewing angle is TOO wide to my mind.
IMHO, you won't these even competing with TFTs until 2007.
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Soon we'll see all kinds of different neat OLED tech. Smart windows can be transparent, with a lo-rez LCD layer forming solid black backgrounds behind the windows of a transparent OLED display panel. You can imagine embedding this on a mirror or anywhere there is a glass surface, providing full-contrast see-thru windows. Imagine bank tellers and ticket counters of the future -- the display will be right in the middle of the transaction area, with both parties seeing the same image, flipped appropriately on either side. Cool stuff. I want a 50 inch diagonal fishtank that turns into a color television when switched on!
If you just use another piece of metal, how could you see the backside as you drive away during night? No headlights to illuminate it (assuming those from cars going the other direction won't do the trick.)
Then it's just fun.
But then again, I could be wrong.
This means that you can read the display normally or in "l33T speak" form. Will wonders never cease.
>those plexiglass tactical map displays you see in every modern submarine movie.
Dude, you would use them to plan your mass evacuation from Hoth when the Empire finds you.
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Want to know what OLED actually is?
www.oled.com
So you're trying to tell me that I'd get more done if I didn't have my mob (well, we call them handies)?
That's ridiculous. Next you'd tell me I'd be more productive without my Microsoft Productivity Package!!!
Or... *gasp* my computer.
WITH INTERNET?!??
That does it. I'm headed off to a different Slashdot forum.
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If you press a mirror against the back of this, will the reflected light double the brightness seen from the front?
Arrrrrg!!!!