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Giant "Inkjet Printer"

mustrum_ridcully writes "For all you who don't like the cost of inkjet printers how about this printer that uses spray paint (courtesy of bbc news ). Ok it's not exactly what you'd call compact, but perfect for the lazy or wannabe graffiti artist." Having just finished doing a bunch of painting in my house, I'd like to have one of those machines drop down over my house, and paint via program - maybe I can use as GBA SP as the control device.

131 comments

  1. Can it run linux? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Let's make a giant Tux with it!

  2. Uses by Beatbyte · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This would have instant cool uses for designs on bedspreads or sheets, custom car paint jobs, walls, etc. etc.

    Personally I would use it for when I'm building furniture (desks, tables, etc.) to give it a once over with some spray wood treatment or color.

    The article is kind of light on details of sales and such though. Looks more like a hack job. But hey maybe it'll be the first printer to have linux drivers FIRST! ;)

    1. Re:Uses by swordboy · · Score: 1

      This would have instant cool uses for designs on bedspreads or sheets, custom car paint jobs, walls, etc. etc.

      Uhh.. you're forgetting the obvious:

      Painting the sides of train cars.

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    2. Re:Uses by elodan · · Score: 1
      This would have instant cool uses for designs on bedspreads or sheets, custom car paint jobs, walls, etc. etc.

      You'd have a problem using this device on a car - it's only for painting in 2D. Cars are 3D - just overlaying a flat image won't work. But if you added a third axis of movement and a ratational axis, ie have a X-track on the ceiling so the rig can move to any location in the horizontal plane, combined with up & down and spinning round, then you could paint on just about anything.

      Obviously you'd need 3D painting software too though. Does such a package exist? :)

    3. Re:Uses by cdrudge · · Score: 1

      I work right in between a large train yard and several train lines. Often there are numerous cars just sitting around and the majority of them have been "decorated". Some look quite crappy, but others look excellent and a work of art (of sorts). Anyone know how long it takes someone good with a can of spray paint to finish a work of art?

    4. Re:Uses by Zirnike · · Score: 1
      You don't need 3D software, you need a 2D picture and a 3D 'surface map' of the car. (think pictures on the side panel, not whole-body work, which is a whole lot more effort). Create the image, and modify the Z to match the car. Or, if you use a 'feeler', you just need the X and Y (drop Z to zero until feeler triggers)

      It's not that hard to build. We use a very similar device here where I work. (smaller scale, of course). There's 2 ways to do it. One, use a stepper motor. This is the better, more expensive solution. Second, use an optical encoder on the motor. This would be cheep, but requires constant monitering of the output (so it doesn't skip a bit).

      I'm not surprised the driver took the longest amount of time. I imagine I could throw together the hardware in a day, and the electronics in a couple hours (less with help from someone with more electrical experiance, I'm a ME.)

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  3. Looks like... by splerdu · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A rehash of the plotter, only using spray paint instead of a pen.

    The artistic benefit of this new device may not be long lived if it does become commonplace, it would be like making paintings using a plotter.

    1. Re:Looks like... by Swofx · · Score: 1

      Where is the problem? The art lies not in the images these guys paint but in the invention they have made. The invention itself is unique and stays that - no matter how often it is duplicated.
      Beyond that, I admire the simlicity of the construction. Two controlled strings and gravity is all these guys need to build a highly versatile Plotter. Compare that to commercial products!

    2. Re:Looks like... by ray-auch · · Score: 1

      Not sure they've invented anything. They've _built_ a vertical plotter.

      Vertical plotters (even large scale & using spray paint) aren't new. I built one for a student engineering project, >15 years ago, and it wasn't new then (1m square, accurate to a couple of mm, spray paint, colour, etc.).

      A couple of bits of string, a couple of motors and a print head is basically all any plotter is - the hard (expensive) bit is getting accurate "strings" and motors and frame.

      They've thrown away the frame by requiring the components to be bolted to the target surface. Neat idea which saves on size/weight/expense, but I suspect it will limit accuaracy (wonder how they calibrate) and it limits the applications. Also I'm not sure there isn't prior art on that idea as well, in the robotics world.

    3. Re:Looks like... by Scooter · · Score: 1

      It's been done better a long time ago too - I remember seeing a device in the "Asian Sources" catalogue (basically an importers directory) for a very similar device that applied bitmaps to a wall or the side of a van using red green and blue paint mixed on the fly. This was well over 10 years ago.

    4. Re:Looks like... by t0qer · · Score: 1

      I thought there was major differences in how plotters/printers get the ink to the paper.

      Plotters drag a pen across the paper so perfect lines are drawn. That's why they're used extensively for CAD. You'll never see a jaggie line on a plotter.

      Printers use dots and patterns to recreate an image. Sometimes they SMASH a print head through a ink soaked cloth, or they MELT a combination of iron oxide and plastic to the paper, or they SQUIRT ink. That's why you see a lot more pictures created with printers.

    5. Re:Looks like... by yaounde · · Score: 1

      Well... it has already made an impact, making people think of other ways to create art. It reminds me a lot of Duchamp, because it presents a different way of dealing with things. Long term impact I believe has to be measured by whether or not other artists take this idea and try things that the creators of this had never thought of. And btw... the plotter paintings I've seen look kinda cool... however most of them are just from the plotter getting jammed and then the ink jet cartiridges making cool designs and pools of ink on what should be my speaker plot.

    6. Re:Looks like... by ray-auch · · Score: 1

      I'd still regard this as a plotter - I don't think the critical difference is how the ink (or whatever) gets onto the surface, but rather how lines are drawn.

      As you say, a plotter draws lines, rather than dots (vector vs. raster) - and I think this is the critical difference. It doesn't matter that it is using a spray, it is still spraying lines (some of the images on the site are half-tone type images but they still look to be made up of lines). Of course you can draw a raster image with a vector plotter (and visa versa) if you need to.

  4. Plotter not printer by jarran · · Score: 4, Informative

    Looks more like a plotter than a printer. From the sound of the article it holds one can and traces a path with it, rather than sweeping across the "page" and marking dots at the appropriate point.

    1. Re:Plotter not printer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, whatever, if you want grafitti out of machines,.Why go the extra mile. Just hook a couple of servos up to some crack.

  5. Some Images are Instantly Familiar by notestein · · Score: 3, Funny
    Some Images are Instantly Familiar


    Who the hell is that?

    1. Re:Some Images are Instantly Familiar by littleghoti · · Score: 5, Informative

      Che Guevara (1928-67) Real name ERNESTO GUEVARA (1928-67), Latin American guerrilla leader and revolutionary theorist, who became a hero to the New Left radicals of the 1960s. Born into a middle-class family in Rosario, Argentina, Guevara received a medical degree from the University of Buenos Aires in 1953. Convinced that revolution was the only remedy for Latin America's social inequities, in 1954 he went to Mexico, where he joined exiled Cuban revolutionaries under Fidel Castro. In the late 1950s, he played an important role in Castro's guerrilla war against Cuban dictator Fulgencio Batista, and when Castro came to power, he served as Cuba's minister of industry (1961-65). A strong opponent of U.S. influence in the Third World, he helped guide the Castro regime on its leftward and pro-Communist path. The author of two books on guerrilla warfare, Guevara advocated peasant-based revolutionary movements in the developing countries. He disappeared from Cuba in 1965, reappearing the following year as an insurgent leader in Bolivia. He was captured by the Bolivian army and shot near Vallegrande on Oct. 9, 1967.

    2. Re:Some Images are Instantly Familiar by watzinaneihm · · Score: 2, Informative

      That is Che Guevara a marxist and a friend of Castros, killed by (allegedly) CIA.

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    3. Re:Some Images are Instantly Familiar by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 0
    4. Re:Some Images are Instantly Familiar by G-funk · · Score: 4, Funny

      You're not supposed to know or care who he is, just buy things witrh his face on them from the dodgey eggs at the markets :)

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    5. Re:Some Images are Instantly Familiar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's your duty as an American to recognise revolutionary communists from any likeness.

      Jesus, DO YOUR DUTY MAN!

    6. Re:Some Images are Instantly Familiar by BradleyUffner · · Score: 3, Funny

      Heh, I thought it was Elvis at first glance.

    7. Re:Some Images are Instantly Familiar by warkda+rrior · · Score: 2, Informative

      Other important details: while in Cuba, he followed his widely advocated belief in guerrilla warfare, and lead troops in killing opponents of the Castro regime. It did not matter whether the opponents where anti-communists or communist supporters that did not share Castro's or Guevara's views. As with many other communist regimes, there was no limit to the amount of political violence as long as power was maintained.

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    8. Re:Some Images are Instantly Familiar by BlueUnderwear · · Score: 1
      You're not supposed to know or care who he is, just buy things witrh his face on them from the dodgey eggs at the markets :)

      Not just at markets. His image is even being used by banks.

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    9. Re:Some Images are Instantly Familiar by sootman · · Score: 1

      Bad caption. I thought it was Jimi Hendrix.

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    10. Re:Some Images are Instantly Familiar by jonathan_ingram · · Score: 1

      The stereotypical Che image was also the basis of this poster campaign promoting the Church of England last year.

    11. Re:Some Images are Instantly Familiar by jawtheshark · · Score: 1

      Ech verstinn dei pub net mol.... :-(
      Waat huet daat elo mat enger bank ze dinn.

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    12. Re:Some Images are Instantly Familiar by BlueUnderwear · · Score: 1
      Sie wëllen domatten soen datt sie éng Bank sin, déi nët wéi déi aaner as, déi géint d' "idées reçues" kämpft. An deem Sënn as et fier sie eigentléch gudd datt de Che näischt mat énger Bank ze din huet ;-)

      As alles an hierem PDF erklärt...

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    13. Re:Some Images are Instantly Familiar by forgetmenot · · Score: 1

      That tends to happen in conflict. Rival groups killing each other. Didn't American revolutionaries kill loyalists, burn their farms, and exterminate native american tribes who sided with the British? And yet "heroes" of the American revolution are idolized despite the carnage they inflicted. Do you consider any of them "evil"? (I'm assuming you're American - but even if you're not, I'm sure you can find examples in your own history)

      Deny people the means of protesting or implementing change without violence, then you leave violent revolution as the only (and inevitable) option.

    14. Re:Some Images are Instantly Familiar by jawtheshark · · Score: 1

      Misst ech deen PDF mol liesen. Huess de een link? Naja, mer geet dei pub ee besschen op d'nerv, mee daat sinn secher nemmen ech. :-)

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    15. Re:Some Images are Instantly Familiar by BlueUnderwear · · Score: 1
      Jo, de Link war schon a méngem éischte Post dran. Hei as en nach éng Kéier:

      http://www.antipub.be/uploadfiles/49/download.

      Bon, en huet nët d'PDF Extension. De Konqueror op der Schaff verdaut daat gudd, awer nët deen heiheem... Am Zweifelsfall, einfach mat wget roflueden, renamen, an dann vun Hand opmaachen.

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    16. Re:Some Images are Instantly Familiar by jawtheshark · · Score: 1
      Ah, lo verstinn ech firwaat Mozilla op OS X mer gefroot huet waat hiem man link misst maan. Gudd, maan mer ee klengen curl drop an gucken mer deen mol un!
      Villmools messi!

      Greiss aus daat klengt Letzebuerg ;-)

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    17. Re:Some Images are Instantly Familiar by warkda+rrior · · Score: 1

      I am sure such violence happens all the time during periods of great turmoil. But there is no excuse for either side to commit such crimes. What bothers me most is the idolatrization of Che Guevara -- I guess it is just a sign of pop culture more than anything else.

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  6. This would be really sweet mounted on a car bumper by mikeophile · · Score: 3, Funny
    Two words, "Road Spam"

    Or, combine it with random movement printing, and you could paint the Mona Lisa in a parking lot while doing doughnuts.

  7. Wow by akpcep · · Score: 1, Funny

    Well, it's just as well it doesn't use inkjet ink - what with it being 7 times more expensive than champagne.

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    1. Re:Wow by ajs318 · · Score: 1, Funny

      If you think inkjet ink is too expensive, try refilling your old inkjet cartridges with red, yellow and blue food colouring. Then get some edible rice paper {or just roll out some sugar icing reeeeeeally thin} and you should be able to print photo birthday cakes!

      Disclaimer: you alone are responsible for the consequences of your actions.

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    2. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      done *and* done.

    3. Re:Wow by ajs318 · · Score: 1

      And was the result a scrum-diddly-umptious edible printout, or a knackered printer?

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    4. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm too hammered to figure out what I just did.

  8. Robot? by watzinaneihm · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The machine I think should be better described as a wall painting robot rather than a "wall printer".
    A similar thing would be to fit a spray can onto this wall climbing robot.
    Surprising that nobody has automated wall painting yet, then we wouldnt need to have these plain colored walls anymore. All of us could have our favorite frescos. Just get me a large res. image of the cistine chapel roof!!

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  9. Oh just great... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    How long until Epson and HP start producing 20ml aerosols with chips in?

    1. Re:Oh just great... by wik · · Score: 1

      Just wait until the wall gets jammed in the printer.

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  10. Deja Vu by nbarr · · Score: 1

    This story allready appeared on Slashdot last week...

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  11. Judging by the picture on the BBC story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it looks no more legible than that scrawled by the muppets near where I live on a saturday night.

  12. Demolition Man. by Deathlizard · · Score: 3, Funny

    Did any one else think of the Scene in "Demolition Man" With the Graffiti robot when they first read this news item.

    Maybe they can shrink it down in a few years :)

    1. Re:Demolition Man. by phyast · · Score: 1

      No, Whenever I think of Demolition Man, I can't help
      but wonder how you use those damn seashells.

    2. Re:Demolition Man. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Looks like you met his meat. You really licked his ass."

    3. Re:Demolition Man. by TheMidget · · Score: 1

      Simple: don't bother with the seashells. Simply shout slurs and insults at the Communication Decency Act machine, and then use the tickets that it issues...

    4. Re:Demolition Man. by ajs318 · · Score: 1

      One up, one down, one to polish?

      Seriously, I doubt even the people who made the movie knew what you were supposed to do with them. Otherwise a Google search would have turned up something better.

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  13. I have something just as good... by GeckoFood · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...a three-year-old with a box of crayons! And he'll even color directly on the walls, no paper needed! Maintenance is a little high, but rarely needs repair. ;-)

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    1. Re:I have something just as good... by cerberusss · · Score: 1

      Does it come with a warranty? If so, I'll order 100 pieces. :)

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  14. AHH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't get it

  15. Site of Hector by Tege · · Score: 5, Informative

    At

    http://www.hektor.ch/

    you can watch a cool movie of Hector in action, aswell as some technical information.

  16. Take it to SF... by SkewlD00d · · Score: 3, Funny

    ... and paint a big-ass "IBM roolz, SCO drools" in blue on the sidewalk, street, buildings, and just about everywhere.

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  17. Video of hektor in action by sanermind · · Score: 3, Informative

    is posted here. Hope someone mirrors/bittorents it.

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  18. Ink costs by danormsby · · Score: 3, Funny

    With Ink More Expensive Than Champagne printing a wall must cost thousands.

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  19. Hektor by UncleOzzy · · Score: 2, Informative

    With apologies to those running this project, its website is at http://www.hektor.ch. (Someone say Last Rites for the web server, please.) There's some neat footage of Hektor in action. Unfortunate, though, that it's so slow; the video of it drawing some peanuts seems to go on forever, and most of the time you can't tell what it's doing. It's certainly interesting, but more performance art than anything else.

  20. Possible use by Mr2cents · · Score: 2, Funny

    Can it print "Romani eunt domus" on a large building?

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    1. Re:Possible use by trikberg · · Score: 1

      What's this, then? 'Romanes Eunt Domus'? 'People called Romanes they go the house'?

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    2. Re:Possible use by panurge · · Score: 1
      This might be a brilliant classical reference, except that since both Hektor and Astyanax died at the end of the Trojan wars, I'm not quite sure how the "Romani" fits. Troiani? But why call it Hektor anyway? To be properly corny, it should be called something like "Canaletto."

      Work is too boring today, but at least I didn't moderate this overrated.

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    3. Re:Possible use by Mr2cents · · Score: 0

      Rent "Monty Python and the life of Brian" and watch it tonight. That's an order!

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    4. Re:Possible use by Bob+McCown · · Score: 0


      It.. it says, 'Romans, go home'!
      </brian>

    5. Re:Possible use by panurge · · Score: 1

      Ah. I forgot. My apologies, but then I can't be expected to remember everything Monty Python ever did. Or can I? This is, after all, /.

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    6. Re:Possible use by hobbesx · · Score: 1

      This might be a brilliant classical reference, except that since both Hektor and Astyanax died at the end of the Trojan wars...

      But for those that were unaware- it is a brilliant, er... that is, at least marginally luminant, Monty Python reference.
      Right now, write it a hundred times!

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    7. Re:Possible use by White+Roses · · Score: 1

      What's this then? Romanes eunt domus. People called Romanes they go the house?

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  21. Excellent :) by killermal · · Score: 3, Funny

    Super size porno!

    1. Re:Excellent :) by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Super size porno!

      First you have to super-size your wanker to match

  22. now all we need... by DrStrangeLoop · · Score: 1, Funny

    ...is wifi support and some kind of grappling hooks to attach this baby to any [preferably high-profile] concrete surface on the fly. this could very well be the evolutionary successor of graffitti [the medium, not the art form]. just imagine driving through the city at night and applying your own addition to some brain-dead consumer information billboards without prolonged exposure to the scene of crime. i for one have dreamed countless times about adding the simple character sequence '...not!' to quite a lot of messages i am exposed to on a daily basis.

    --strangeloop

    1. Re:now all we need... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd like one on the bottom of my car - imagine stopping at lights and tagging the road... just like Half Life!

      Sure beats having blue lights under your car...

  23. bah - that think is puny!! by afxgrin · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Check out STREET WRITER. It's a modified van that will spray paint entire messages on the street. :-)

    Now this is a giant ink jet printer.

    1. Re:bah - that think is puny!! by tiled_rainbows · · Score: 1

      Nice one - I was going to post this link myself.
      Like someone else said, Hektor is really just a big plotter. Sure, there must have been some technical challenges to overcome, ut it's just a bigger version of something we've already got.
      Street Writer, on the other hand, is totally original AFAIK, and therefore is much much cooler.

  24. You shout 'Fire!' in theaters as well, I suppose.. by MonTemplar · · Score: 2, Informative

    Ignore the clown - the http://www.hektor.ch/ link is correct, albeit in a shambolic state at the moment...

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  25. Hah! Their cost of consumables by vudufixit · · Score: 1, Funny

    Is still too high compared to a good monochrome laser.

  26. Re:Looks like... and with a working link. tsk. by xgarb · · Score: 1
  27. When you RTFA, remember to R T F A... by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 4, Informative

    The article is kind of light on details of sales and such though. Looks more like a hack job.

    I doubt that commercial uses were the designers' primary motives, given that the machine was the winning entry in an art contest. The clue was in the "light on details" article:

    "The machine has already won an award at the 2003 Machinista media art festival."

    Also, the article gives a strong indication that the designers don't seem to be commercial developers:

    "Researcher Jürg Lehni came up with the idea for Hektor when thinking about novel ways for an artist to turn computer-drawn images into something more concrete.

    He wanted to combine the precision of computer-generated images with the woolier outlines produced by spray paint.

    Working with friend and electronic engineering student Uli Franke, Mr Lehni created Hektor. The machine suspends a spray paint using two toothed belts that feed through a pair of motors."

    Again, the focus seems to be on art, not on commercial applications.

    Additionally, you seem to have missed the links to the Hektor, Machinista and the Zurich Kunsthaus gallery, where another Hektor-implemented piece of art can be found.

    Cunningly - some would say as cunningly as a fox, what used to be professor of cunning at OxfordUniversity, who is now head of the United Nations department of cunning planning* - these were hidden on the very same page, under the deceptive title "Related Internet Links".

    Is it me, or even when they RTFA do people forget to RTFA?

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    1. Re:When you RTFA, remember to R T F A... by argStyopa · · Score: 1

      Well, I don't think he's out of bounds saying the article is "info-light" when it is. What kind of an idiot editor would let an article go to press with the title "GIANT PRINTER GOES ON SHOW: Two Swiss researchers have created what could be the largest portable ink jet printer in the world" without saying anywhere in the artile how BIG the damn thing is? D'oh.

      And yeah, re the "profit motive" I'm guessing from the choice of demo picture of **Che Guevara** that commercial considerations weren't first on the inventors' list of concerns.

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  28. Re:This would be really sweet mounted on a car bum by jcwren · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I had considered that idea years ago, but never got around to actually building hardware. I'd planned on a paint tank (use that oldskool Tempra paint that washes off with water), a pressure source (like carbon dioxide), and a manifold feeding 128 electrically controlled nozzles. All this would be mounted on a frame that could be supported by a standard 2" bumper hitch (what is that, Class II? Class III?) The nozzles would be about 2" off the road, probably on some kind of floating arrangement. There'd be a small microcontroller with an RS-232 port, and a speed sensor.

    You'd lay out some text or imagess in a graphics program, get out on the highway, and lay down road graffitti. "SPEED TRAP AHEAD" spread down I-85N for 200 feet.

    I'm actually pretty surprised no one has built one yet. Although I'm sure the local laws have some idiotic provision against writing on highways with non-toxic temporary paint.

  29. Re:This would be really sweet mounted on a car bum by Spameroni · · Score: 1

    see the street writer at Applied Autonomy

  30. Just what the gangs need! by Tsu+Dho+Nimh · · Score: 1
    As if my neighborhood doesn't have enough problems with gang graffitti they have to go and invent this thing.

    Hoever, it being computer based, that implies that they have to be able to read and follow instructions, so maybe it's not going to lead to an explosion of mass-produced logos and cryptoc messages except in the upscale meighbporhoods where the graffitti comes from bored rich kids.

  31. Kinda cool, nothing new by jhines · · Score: 1

    Billboards, usually along roadways, are printed by huge inkjet printers.

    Go google for large scale printers, they exist. You get like 50 DPI, but for a billboard, that is plenty.

    1. Re:Kinda cool, nothing new by jridley · · Score: 1

      Yes, I saw a tv report on these something like 15 years ago. They had a big sheet of vinyl on a drum, and a printhead that consisted of computer-controlled airbrush pens that slowly crept down the drum as the drum rotated. The could print photorealistic (from the right distance) stuff at a fraction of the setup time that it normally took.

  32. Re:This would be really sweet mounted on a car bum by mr_luc · · Score: 3, Informative

    I can just see I-90 covered with official-looking signs proclaiming "IS YOUR WANG TOO SMALL? TRY OUR NEW MIRACLE DRUG!"

  33. What for? by mobileskimo · · Score: 1

    And what would we use these things for? Anything that requires a reliable, uniform, reproduction of text and images in really large scale.

    So we can mass-create really large advertisements? Great. Just what we need. More noise amid the signals. And we wonder why people miss traffic/road signs, get into accidents, get lost, turn into obsessive consumers.

    And what about artisan workmanship. Nothing is crafted from hand anymore is it?

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  34. overheard in SF subway by rifftide · · Score: 3, Funny

    "What do you mean, you didn't know about the header page?"

  35. Worlds largest printer? by taped2thedesk · · Score: 0

    Wouldn't that make it then become the "world's largest inkjet printer"?

    [/. Editor's note: no it's not]

  36. Prior Art by jayrtfm · · Score: 1

    KopyKake
    plain food coloring won't work, you need to use edible ink on your paper backed frosting sheet

    1. Re:Prior Art by ajs318 · · Score: 1

      Right ..... I sort of guessed it probably wouldn't work too well, otherwise obviously someone'd've done it by now just for the sake of saving a bob or two.

      Mind you, given how little ink there actually is in a printout, I would be very surprised if there was any chemical you could use that would be dangerous in the amounts you would be likely to ingest over the course of a slice of birthday cake. Methinks some experiments are in order.

      A few days later in an underground car park:
      Hello, little boy. Would you like to try some of my delicious home-made cake?

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  37. 'Bout Time... by telstar · · Score: 1

    Now I've got a use for all of that ink PrintPal sends me mail about each day. If there's one company I'd like to see burn, it's them.

  38. Official Site by Macblaster · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Complete with pictures, a movie, etc
    http://www.hektor.ch/

  39. Give me another bowl of your corn flakes.. by Beatbyte · · Score: 1

    I'll piss in that one too...

    First of all, the article itself is barely 2 pages in length. I did read it. I did realize what they did and why they did it.

    Second, what makes you think the guys wouldn't want to sell something like this as a kit? Is it too hard to believe that they would? Would it be so hard for the people writing the article to say: They just built it to build it.

    Third, I'm glad you feel special that you can browse around /. just trying to find someone to rip on.

    FU

    1. Re:Give me another bowl of your corn flakes.. by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 1

      First of all, the article itself is barely 2 pages in length. I did read it. I did realize what they did and why they did it.

      Hmmm. Perhaps you're not familiar with the BBC News site. All the articles are of that length. They are news articles, not technical reviews. Perhaps you've got the site confused with ArsTechnica or something.

      Second, what makes you think the guys wouldn't want to sell something like this as a kit? Is it too hard to believe that they would? Would it be so hard for the people writing the article to say: They just built it to build it.

      Yep, you're definitely missing the purpose of BBC News online here. Let's go over this again: it's a site devoted to news, not to benchmarking, marketing or whatever else you'd like it to be.

      I don't come to Slashdot looking for MLB scores or local cinema listings. Do you know why? Because Slashdot doesn't have MLB scores or local cinema listings! Similarly, the BBC doesn't article didn't have sales info or the exact physical dimensions of the device because it wasn't relevant to their story - if you want more info, follow the links that they provide. Doh!

      Seriously though, it's pretty clear from reading the article that Hektor's a tool designed to create art and not, as you seem to suggest in your original post, a device that can be used to customise a paint job for your car, furniture or fittings.

      Third, I'm glad you feel special that you can browse around /. just trying to find someone to rip on.

      Well, gee, you set them up for me and I'll knock themed in.

      I RTFA'ed before I read your post and, somehow, managed to spot the answers to all the questions you had in the story itself. I even cut and paste some of the relevant portions for you. I stand by what I said: if you really had RTFA properly then I wouldn't have had to do that cutting and pasting would I?

      Sorry if you feel victimised here but, honestly, are you telling me that you thought the article was at all ambiguous about the artistic purpose of this device?

      (This isn't meant to be flamebait BTW: he asked a question, I gave him an honest reply.)

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  40. Standard Engineering by Glonoinha · · Score: 1

    Folks calm down. This is simply an engineering prototype. All engineers go through the rough initial phases where the thing they have designed is way too big, bulky, and expensive. This is merely a prototype and in no way represents the intended final product.

    I imagine in a few years the guys that came up with this will (after working with some of the top minds at Xerox PARC and IBM, and maybe a couple million dollars in VC) have this 'ink spraying thingy' small enough to fit on your desk. Envision having a little box on your desk that you put blank paper in, and get paper with ink letters and pictures out ... maybe even some day in lots of colors.

    Ahhh - dreams of the future.

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  41. Mook! by jpsst34 · · Score: 1

    Note to the inventors: If you get an order for one of these from Mook, please don't sell it to him.

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  42. not news? by alexandre · · Score: 1

    I've seen a little truck that could be programmed with a Ti calculator back at H2k-N.Y. in 2000...

    When programmed you make the truck go forward and it will write the message you programmed in... great for marking the streets in riots ! ;-)

  43. bah - that think IS puny!! by stud9920 · · Score: 1

    that thing could use font antialiasing

  44. Already been done, years ago, only for real by AlienRelics · · Score: 3, Informative

    Pixation came out with a -real- printer that can paint on walls, buildings, etc. using compressed air and any paint that you can put through an air paint sprayer. House paint, oil paint, anything.

    And it has been out for many years.

    http://www.pixation.com/

    Standard installation is 16 by 10 feet! It has 5 paint heads so you have black, white, cyan, magenta, and yellow. It is much cheaper than a wide format inkjet printer, and the ink costs -way- less than champagne!

    OK, my birthday is coming up, who's going to pass 'round the office and get me one? ;')

  45. More Printer News by PetoskeyGuy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    And if your really looking for printer news, the first printer ever designed has finally been built.

    Check out Charles Babbages printer on the same site as the other article. Hopefully THIS printer won't have to worry about the cost of refills.

  46. A more elegant solution. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This machine has been around for some time. http://www.pixation.com/paintmac.htm He calls it wirejet technology. Able to spray oil based paints. "Create" works of art on your living room wall.

  47. Re:You shout 'Fire!' in theaters as well, I suppos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And if you can't get past the JavaScript and the embedded player, here is a direct link to the movie:



    http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~ufranke/hektor/Hektor_ Bb and.mov

  48. Re:This would be really sweet mounted on a car bum by Ashtead · · Score: 1
    I'm actually pretty surprised no one has built one yet. Although I'm sure the local laws have some idiotic provision against writing on highways with non-toxic temporary paint.

    A while back, IBM had a campaign where they were painting Tux and hearts on the curbs in several cities. As I can remember, the city council of San Francisco was not amused ... so there most likely and unfortunately seem to be laws against putting paint on the roads. This does not detract from the fact that this sounds like a cool idea!

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  49. But more relevant . . . by djembe2k · · Score: 2, Informative
    Yes, that's Che's life in a nutshell.

    But more relevant to the "instantly familiar" part is that when the New Left radicals started to idolize him, this one image of his face began to appear over and over on posters, t-shirts, magazine covers, everywhere, all variations of this one picture of him. It became a ubiquitous bit of pop-art for several years, and for probably 10 years or so, just about anybody in the U.S. could have seen a rendition of that one image, and known it was Che.

    And it showed up in about a million different variations -- and apparently some of them are still around.

    1. Re:But more relevant . . . by jawtheshark · · Score: 1
      What's really odd is that dexia, an bank, now uses his effigy in my country to promote its services. I don't get the connection. The slogan is "combattons les idées reçues" (fight the established ideas).

      Very strange....

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  50. 20 Years old? by SIWaters · · Score: 1

    This is news? I remember visiting the Visible Language Workshop at MIT in 1983 and seing a far more capable device built by Professor Ron MacNeil. IIRC, they were programming everything in PL/1 in those days.

    SIW

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  51. Make it smaller by cshark · · Score: 1

    This is really interesting. I wonder how hard it would be to miniaturize this technology to create normal sized ink jets that use spray paint. Very cool//

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  52. Great and all, but one major question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does it have a GPIB interface? ...had to ask. :-)

  53. Ink Magnum revisited by cyclist1200 · · Score: 1

    With a printer that size, might we start to see magnums of "ink"?

    Ha! A self-referential joke! I'll just go lie down and die now - there's no way I can sink any lower.

  54. Well, they Print Billboards, don't they? by oldCoder · · Score: 1
    It's a regular industry. Check out this site for example. Note that they do full color. Their specs page lists the preferred Macintosh file formats they accept.

    I've been told that some of the large-format printing devices in use are essentially RGB raster graphic devices that have 3 paintball guns in a mount that scans across the surface in a grid pattern. The size of the paintballs is governed by the current pixel of the bitmap. Obviously, three nozzles each connect via hose to a separate reservoir of paint could be made to work as well.

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  55. [ed. : no it isn't] by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    [ed. : no it isn't]

  56. something that inspired me once a time by way2trivial · · Score: 1
    I was once inspired with the creation of a printer.
    it was a glorious idea, a glass door printing inkjet

    the idea being, it would have an effective print area of about 4X5 inches, with the ability to do a dot a little out of that range in the corners, you hold the printer up to a glass door, have it draw the 4 dots, and then continue to hold it while it fills in the 4X5 inch section with ink. When that panel was done, you move the printer accordingly, adjusting the posiion til two of the dots of the corners overlap,-- tappa, tappa, tappa--

    then it does the next section.. bingo- aligned, print the next 20 sq inches.

    the kicker to assure sales, and yet remain liability free, is that it's also designed (ala APEX dvd players, which somehow always manage to be hacked to be region free) to accomodate a "leak" so that with a small modification (voiding the warranty of course) it also works as a inkjet tattoo printer.

    suddenly, kids across america are snapping up the home tattoo printer.

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  57. Much cooler.... by decepty · · Score: 0, Troll

    Sounds somewhat like the GraffitiWriter & StreetWriter... Both cool-ass dot matrix style graffiti tools made by the Institute for Applied Autonomy. (Except the StreetWriter does it while you drive)

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    1. Re:Much cooler.... by decepty · · Score: 0

      How is that a Troll?????? HUH, BITCHASS??? (Ok.... that was flamebait... im sorry)

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  58. Interesting history of that photo by detect · · Score: 1
    From: Che Guevara photographer dies

    Alberto Korda, the photographer who took the picture of Che Guevara that became an icon of left-wing revolutionaries and students worldwide, has died aged 72. Korda, whose real name was Alberto Diaz Gutierrez, suffered a heart attack while in Paris for an exhibition of his works. It's a great loss for Cuban culture. He was one of the top chroniclers of the revolution He worked for the Cuban newspaper Revolucion after Fidel Castro's forces took power in 1959 - although it did not publish the famous picture. Korda later worked as Castro's personal photographer. "It's a great loss for Cuban culture. He was one of the top chroniclers of the revolution," said fellow Cuban photographer Liborio Noval.

    Two shots

    Korda took the photo for which he will be best remembered at a memorial service in March 1960. Che Guevara stepped onto the podium and scanned the crowd. Korda snapped two quick shots, including the legendary one of the revolutionary with his beret, gazing like a prophet into the distance. Che is an icon of the revolutionary left Revolucion rejected the photo, instead running pictures of Castro and the French writers Jean-Paul Sartre and Simone de Beauvoir. But Korda recognised its greatness and kept the photo tacked to his wall for seven years, until an Italian journalist saw it. Korda allowed the Italian to take it, and when Che Guevara was killed a few months later, it was published as a poster in Italy. It immediately became one of the most recognisable images of leftist revolution, and has been reproduced on countless T-shirts, banners and posters since.

    No profits

    Although Korda kept the negative and the camera with which he took the photo, he never received royalties for the picture that the Maryland Institute of Art called "the most famous photograph in the world and a symbol of the 20th century". He was happy to see it used as a revolutionary banner - but when a vodka company used it in an advertisement last year, Korda drew the line. Korda was Mr Castro's personal photographer He filed suit in London. "As a supporter of the ideals for which Che Guevara died, I am not averse to its reproduction by those who wish to propagate his memory and the cause of social justice throughout the world," Korda said in the autumn of 2000. "But I am categorically against the exploitation of Che's image for the promotion of products such as alcohol, or for any purpose that denigrates the reputation of Che." Korda won an out-of-court settlement of about $50,000, which he donated to the Cuban medical system. "If Che were still alive, he would have done the same," Korda told the Reuters news agency. Korda's other memorable photos include shots of the victorious rebels arriving in Havana and Quixote of the Lamp Post, which shows a Cuban man sitting on a lamp post in a sea of people listening to a Castro speech. He photographed Castro playing golf and fishing with Guevara, in the company of writer Ernest Hemingway, and staring at a tiger in a New York zoo.
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  59. Re:This would be really sweet mounted on a car bum by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    Two words, "Road Spam"

    I was thinking that it could be used to paint directions on roads without putting lanes out of commision. For example, it could spray the words like "STOP AHEAD", "To W-50", "EXIT ONLY", etc. One problem is that it would have to dry fast. Perhaps a heat-blower truck can be just behind it.

  60. Re:This would be really sweet mounted on a car bum by instarx · · Score: 1

    And of course you could ask Microsoft how painting on streets would go over with local governments. They applied sticky butterfly advertising to the streets and sidewalks of New York City last year and then had to pay people to go around scraping them off when the city said no way.

    Parking lots (advertising) and driveways (yard art) might be a better application than streets and highways for your bumber matrix printer.

    Put a pivot point near one end of it and you could swivel it vertically to paint along a wall. Good for commercial advertising or sale notices if done with temporary ink.