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PARC's Popout Prism Aids Web Navigation

sulo writes "Popout Prism is a Web Browser that reduces the amount of time users end looking for information in Web pages. By creating visual "popouts" that emphasize critical elements in Web pages, Popout Prism draws users' attention to the right information." Not a very complicated idea, but one that could be useful.

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  1. um, clippy, could you give me just a few minutes? by sweeney37 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Perhaps Microsoft could implement this in a future version of IE?

    Clippy: Were these the type of asian schoolgirl sluts you were looking for?

    Mike

  2. view this short video by gokubi · · Score: 4, Funny

    To see the Popout Prism browser in action, view this short video demo. Popout Prism Demo mpg (27mb)

    The product download is only 900 kb, while the demo video is 30 times the size. No, really, ubiquitous multimedia on the web is right around the corner...

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  3. Well, Mozilla monkeys... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Redundant

    ...get crackin!

  4. Re:a problem by dj_paulgibbs · · Score: 3, Insightful

    probably the same way as you'd see a level in a game such as Unreal Tournament.

  5. Popouts by deman1985 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Gah! My eyes!

  6. Re:Just what I need by greenhide · · Score: 1

    This is just what I need, more Java stuff to slow down my PC.

    Hmmmm... I think it can't be Java, because otherwise it would run on more than just Windows with IE.

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  7. I call fluff by sunbeam60 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This stuff wouldn't be necesary if web designers were better doing their jobs. Sure it might be warranted on all the poorly designed web pages, but when you arrive at one that is well designed, you know exactly where to go.

    1. Re:I call fluff by Malc · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Who cares about the web designers? Google cached pages already does highlighting. If a web designer can't produce a well-designed web page, they've wasted their time AFAIC because I will just move on to a better site.

    2. Re:I call fluff by sunbeam60 · · Score: 1

      Ehm, yes, so, eh, we agree, right?

    3. Re:I call fluff by Malc · · Score: 1

      I wasn't disagreeing ;)

    4. Re:I call fluff by mblase · · Score: 3, Funny

      Sure it might be warranted on all the poorly designed web pages, but when you arrive at one that is well designed, you know exactly where to go.

      And if someone could just develop a web browser that converted poorly designed web pages to well-designed ones instead, I'm sure we'd all download it in a New York minute.

    5. Re:I call fluff by brakk · · Score: 1

      If you use Google's toolbar, it has a button to highlight the search words even on the actual page. and it also makes a button for each word to click on and quickly search the page for it.

    6. Re:I call fluff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And if someone could just develop a web browser that converted poorly designed web pages to well-designed ones instead, I'm sure we'd all download it in a New York minute.

      Not sure if you were being sarcastic or not, but such an application is impossible to create. Poorly constructed web pages are impossible to convert to well structured web pages without a human to do the hard work. Low quality pages are usually encoded as a series of presentational hints, rather than encoding meaning. Whilst you can easily convert meaning to presentation, the inverse is not true. So a tool to pull out document structure would be easy to create if it only had to work on well-structured documents, but if it had to cope with the tag soup on the web today, it's very difficult.

    7. Re:I call fluff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Low quality pages are usually encoded as a series of presentational hints, rather than encoding meaning.

      You just don't get HTML, dude.

    8. Re:I call fluff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Huh? I damn well do. It sounds like you don't though. HTML is supposed to encode meaning, not tell a browser how to present something. Of course, the average Frontpage Express jockey (which I'm assuming you are by your response) doesn't know this, which is why the web is littered with low-quality pages.

  8. OMG! by pb · · Score: 5, Funny

    I used Popout Prism on match.com, and those chicks looked *awesome*... Can I get some glasses that do this IRL, or do I just have to drink a lot of beer to get the same effect?

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    1. Re:OMG! by jkrise · · Score: 4, Funny

      I used Popout Prism on match.com and those chicks looked *awesome*

      Use it on Slashdot.org and see what it does to your karma!
      Use it on Microsoft.com and see Where It Takes You Today?
      Use it on Hotmail.com and see if your spam is spicy!
      Use it on Passport.Net and you'll find your password is already hacked!!

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  9. To save you all some time... by nherc · · Score: 2, Informative
    All this does is highlight your search terms within the webpage ala Googles Groups (formerly Dejanews).

    /Me thinks this could be added to Mozilla quite easily.

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    1. Re:To save you all some time... by irc.goatse.cx+troll · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's already in there. ctrl+f's search just selects the text, but if you use type ahead find (/text) its a bright green background.

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    2. Re:To save you all some time... by deman1985 · · Score: 1

      With this, even the tech sites can seem suggestive...

      "...that these Xeons can outperform..."
      "...he calls extended instruction sets a waste of time..."

    3. Re:To save you all some time... by jkrise · · Score: 0

      All this does is highlight your search terms within the webpage ala Googles Groups

      Considering Google sets up numerous cookies now, instead of good ol' NNTP, Prism can only be better.The simpe rule, though: Smarter the browser, Slower the response.

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    4. Re:To save you all some time... by CommieBozo · · Score: 1

      Thanks for informing all of us that skipped 1998 that Google Groups used to be DejaNews.

    5. Re:To save you all some time... by nherc · · Score: 2, Informative
      I believe I first saw this technique done on Dejanews, before they were bought by Google.

      I was merely highlighting the point that *I believe* Deja was the first search service that provided the technique and prior art, not Google.

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    6. Re:To save you all some time... by snillfisk · · Score: 1

      If that's all that it does (the page is slashdotted), then I would suggest that everyone using Internet Explorer takes a look at The Google Toolbar which provides this functionality, in addition to loads of other neat features (popup blocker, one-click images/groups/news/google-search, automagical "find searched word in page" and "highlight searchwords in page" and auto complete for forms) ..

      If you haven't checked it out yet, do it now :)

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    7. Re:To save you all some time... by jd142 · · Score: 1

      I thought the type ahead find feature only worked on links. That's all it ever goes to for me. I was under the impression that we were talking about highlighting regular words. Is there a way to change the behavior?

    8. Re:To save you all some time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Type ahead find applies only to links if you just start typing. If you first type a slash, it applies to all text, but you can still go to a highlighted link by hitting Enter.

    9. Re:To save you all some time... by irc.goatse.cx+troll · · Score: 1

      in the current version, ' then text will search for links, / then text for normal text.

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    10. Re:To save you all some time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, who needs a special browser when there is Text Spotlight that highlights info system-wide whether inside of a browser or outside of it. Here is the URL to check this great program out: http://www.textspotlight.com/

    11. Re:To save you all some time... by WPL510 · · Score: 1

      Speaking of Google, the highlighting feature has already been available in both IE and Mozilla for some time, via the Google toolbar or the workalike Googlebar, respectively. Just type in your keywords, hit the "highlight all terms" button, and this highlighting comes up instantly. The toolbar takes up some space, but at least the feature is available as an extension.

    12. Re:To save you all some time... by data64 · · Score: 1

      Bookmarklets let you do something similar. See Highlight

  10. Re:um, clippy, could you give me just a few minute by deman1985 · · Score: 1

    Careful if you take too long; he could start suggesting some enhancers Knowing M$, they probably keep a database of this...

  11. A good application... by GillBates0 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    for this would be cellphones or PDA's, which have displays that are too small to view normal webpages designed for larger displays.

    If the user is looking for specific information/keywords that are too small to read on the display, the browser could "popout" a magnified/highlighted/easier to read version of the surrounding context.

    And rather than coming out with a whole new browser, maybe it could be incorporated into The Google Toolbar or something similar....they've recently added new features to make searching within a webpage easier.

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    1. Re:A good application... by Brummund · · Score: 4, Informative

      FWIW, Opera has a special version of their browser, with the ability to render the usual webduhsigners fixed width websites on small screens. Check out Opera's Small-Screen Rendering.

      Qoute from the page:

      How do we do it?

      Opera's Small-Screen Rendering technology enables access to all the content available on the Internet today. Even before this innovation, it was of course possible to browse the Web with Opera. The problem is that most sites are designed with fixed widths that make them hard to navigate on small handheld devices.

      As an example, most news sites have a center column where the main article text is located. This column is usually 468 pixels wide (due to the standard ad-banner sizes) and the text is set to fill this width. This means that to read an article, you would have to scroll back and forth for every line of text.

      With Small-Screen Rendering?, the page is reformatted to fit inside the screen width and eliminate the need for horizontal scrolling. All the content and functionality is still available, it is only the layout of the page that is changed. This innovation is the key enabler for surfing on a mobile device.

    2. Re:A good application... by Mr_Silver · · Score: 1
      FWIW, Opera has a special version of their browser, with the ability to render the usual webduhsigners fixed width websites on small screens. Check out Opera's Small-Screen Rendering.

      If you don't use Opera, then you can use some CSS to achieve pretty much the same.

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    3. Re:A good application... by ChristTrekker · · Score: 1

      I think that's pretty much all it does, provide a built-in CSS with appropriate rules. "Built-in" is the key, as well as the fact that it's persistent - not all browsers handle user CSS very well. Opera 7 provides about a dozen built-in styles you can select when in user CSS mode, such as high-contrast and accessibility. Opera does more for the sight- and mobility-impaired user than any other browser currently available.

  12. It's about time. by mikeophile · · Score: 2, Funny
    Finally, a solution to the age-old problem of viewing vertical centerfolds on a horizontal screen.

    Thanks Parc!

    1. Re:It's about time. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The woman on the video is no centerfold ....

  13. Re:a problem by yotto · · Score: 2, Funny

    I would assume they use a little trick figured out, oh, a few thousand years ago, called perspective.

  14. ha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Redundant

    I'm using it on /. right now and nothing pops out.

  15. How long before this is hijacked for ads? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
    If this becomes commonplace, the only thing it's going to really do is make popup ads into Popup Prism (tm) ads.

    Oh, and it will probably suck more bandwidth to do it, too.

    1. Re:How long before this is hijacked for ads? by Treacle+Treatment · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Those were my thoughts exactly. How long will it be before everything "important" pops out. As if pop-up ads were not bad enough...

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    2. Re:How long before this is hijacked for ads? by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 1
      "If this becomes commonplace, the only thing it's going to really do is make popup ads into Popup Prism (tm) ads."

      Something tells me the company had this in mind when they created it. Seriously, why else would you name your product that? They will wait to see if it catches on and then sell a method to marketers to highlight their ads automatically. (adds another layer of tinfoil to hat)

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    3. Re:How long before this is hijacked for ads? by cgibbard · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      Did you actually check out what popup prism does, or watch the accompanying video? Please actually visit the posted links before posting some uninformed gut reaction. Moderators, this goes double for you.

      It's pretty hard to hijack a more visual version of "Find Text In Page" for the purposes of advertising.

      The user has to type their own keywords, and that is what's being highlighted, and it's only highlighted in the preview pane and on the normal pane while the user holds the mouse button down in the preview pane (to aid transitioning from the preview to the main text).

      Using this for advertising would be pretty much impossible. What, are the ads going to hypnotise us into typing the keywords of their ad into our "Find Text In Page" textbox, then get us to hold down the mouse button in the preview pane so that the words in the ad show up larger? Come on.

      Not only that, but this doesn't use any more bandwidth at all either, as it is a nice, fairly simple, though well thought out, client-side feature of the user's web browser.

    4. Re:How long before this is hijacked for ads? by cgibbard · · Score: 1

      sorry s/popup prism/Popout Prism/

  16. Google cashe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    In event of further Slashdotting, here's Google's copy

  17. While the project site is slashdotted... by mblase · · Score: 3, Informative

    ...you can still get some info and a download here (well, for the moment anyway).

  18. Does anyone really need this? by TSMABob · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Have we all lost the ability to scan for information that we need on a webpage or any other source. Next they'll develop books that have the "keywords" you enter into your pda come off the page and slap you in the face.
    Just another technology to help those of us with tech-driven ADD[slashdot.org]

  19. Curmudgeon's Corner by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Those whose idea of a Web page is a Photoshop mockup or big fat Flash banner will hate this browser, and people using this browser will hate such pages.

    Those who produce well-structured and meaningfully-styled Web documents have nothing to fear from it... but people surfing such pages probably won't gain that much from using this browser.

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    1. Re:Curmudgeon's Corner by jkrise · · Score: 1

      Those who produce well-structured and meaningfully-styled Web documents have nothing to fear from it

      Most website designers excel in keeping the good info. as far away and as many clicks away as possible. Flash and VRML keep the bosses happy.

      News sites earn revenue from as Clicks, and meaningfully-styled Docs would drive them to Chapter 11!

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  20. Help on installing? by briglass · · Score: 1

    Ok, the file you download from the website is in a.01[1] format! How do you run the darn thing? Help?

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    1. Re:Help on installing? by bpendleton · · Score: 2, Informative

      The download and Internet Explorer sometimes don't get along. Rename the file you downloaded to end in .exe, and it should work. Mozilla-based browsers do not have this problem.

  21. JAVA incompetance by mydigitalself · · Score: 2, Informative

    they appear to have fscked up their installation regarding JAVA.

    i have 3 or 4 different JVM versions on my box - and normally i can run just about everything without any problems. the highest version of JAVA I have is 1.4.1 and whenever i run their installer it tells me that JAVA is not found and then it installs JRE 1.3.1 and then does exactly the same thing.

    SYNOPSIS: if you have anything higher that 1.3.1, this probably won't work.

    1. Re:JAVA incompetance by sbuckhopper · · Score: 4, Informative

      If you are using windows its probably a path problems. I've noticed that some large name Java aplications (such as eclipse) completely ignore your JAVA_HOME variable and just look for the first JRE it can find in your path.

      Be very careful though because 1.4.1 installs a java wraper (javaw.exe) in your windows system directory. So in order for it to find the correct JRE you need to make sure that you put it first in your path infront of the windows system directory. If find this both obnoxious and dangerous.

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    2. Re:JAVA incompetance by _xeno_ · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I've run into stuff like this before. I blame Sun for making it next to impossible to locate the JRE on a given system without resorting to hacks like the JAVA_HOME environment, or querying the runtime environment of whatever answers to "java".

      What's really annoying is that Sun doesn't set the JAVA_HOME environment variable when you install J2SE. However, their J2EE SDK requires JAVA_HOME to be set. Various other Java utilities use the JAVA_HOME hack to make things work. You'd think Sun would - eventually - understand this and create some standard way of specifying where Java is on a given platform.

      The reason I call the JAVA_HOME variable a hack is because it negates the "platform independent" nature that Java is supposed to have. If I have to write a shell script for Windows and Unix to make things work, what's the point?

      What I really want is for Sun to create software that allows deploying Java apps in a truly platform-independant manor. JAR files are an improvement, in that they can be made "executable," but what I really want is a way of creating an application file that can bind itself as the editor for various file types, add itself to program menus, and do other various "GUI-ish" things, without relying on writing native code for every platform you deploy on. Likewise, for console/server code, I want to be able to create a program descriptor that has a native program automatically create the appropriate native stubs to run the Java program.

      I think Java Web Start was supposed to solve the GUI application deployment, but it isn't really a complete solution in that it requires using the Java Web Start application to run any program deployed that way. It also doesn't allow a program to specify itself as the default application for loading given file types.

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    3. Re:JAVA incompetance by i_really_dont_care · · Score: 1

      Heh, their incompetence is already shown by the fact that they code in Java, yet the installer is a Windows .exe file.

    4. Re:JAVA incompetance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Java: Write once, Run everywhere, Er no, Install JRE 1.3.2, Run everywhere, Nope that didn't work, Try JRE 1.4.1, Run everywhere, Dammit!, Downgrade JRE, Can't use 1.3.1 when you have 1.4.1 installed?, Dammit!

      bunk

    5. Re:JAVA incompetance by bpendleton · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'm familiar with the details of the development of this project.

      So, a couple of points:
      1) It's a research demo. Unfortunately, that means it won't work well on all platforms. But, it's available primarily so that you, the public, can see how the technology works.

      2) It's written in Java, but it embeds Internet Explorer. So, the installer is a Windows installer, because it wouldn't run anywhere else anyway.

      3) The installer is, unfortunately, not very robust. It's hard to find Java reliabily on a Windows system, and, because of bugs in an external library at the time Popout Prism was written, Popout Prism only runs in Java 1.3. If you have trouble installing it, you should uninstall any Java versions above 1.3, run the installer, point the .bat file at your Java 1.3 java.exe file, and then reinstall any newer versions of Java.

  22. Java 1.3 required by mblase · · Score: 1

    ...which is a pain, because I've got 1.4.1 installed and it won't let me even install the Popup Prism. *sighing and shaking of head*

  23. Who decides what the right information is?/ by Rares+Marian · · Score: 1, Funny

    Gimme Lynx or gimme death...

    Actually just gimme emacs-w3, that's close enough to death anyways.

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  24. Re:a problem by lordrich · · Score: 1

    It doesn't, it looks pretty flat to me - it's only 3d because it shows the box over the top of the site.
    Acutally it's incredibly cool, but I can't see it being used very often.

  25. Since MS knows Where We Want To Go... by jkrise · · Score: 3, Funny

    Why can't they simply take us there directly :-).. pre-emptive multi-browsiing or some such technology should be great.

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  26. Re:Just what I need by kalidasa · · Score: 1

    This is just what I need, more Java stuff to slow down my PC. Hmmmm... I think it can't be Java, because otherwise it would run on more than just Windows with IE.

    You think wrong. There are version differences in Java, and some programmers are dumb enough to write to a particular Java implementation, like Java 1.3 for instance, for a particular platform, like Windows for instance, for a particular application, like IE for instance. RTF download page.

    Tried downloading the general version. Don't work with Java 1.4. Tried downloading the version with Java 1.3. Don't work, probably because I still have Java 1.4 as well as Java 1.3 on there. Tried changing the Java version used in IE. Didn't help. Asked question, "why should I have to go through this kind of trouble to get search term highlighting in a browser I rarely use anyway?" Unintalled Java 1.3 and deleted the damned thing.

    Next time, use a real browser, buddy.

  27. Re:a problem by aborchers · · Score: 3, Informative

    Actually it was just around 1000 years ago that perspective was first formulated by al-Haytham, and a few hundred years later that people began to apply it to the arts.

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  28. Re:um, clippy, could you give me just a few minute by imtheguru · · Score: 5, Funny
    Clippy: (after a lengthy pause): Seems like u are enjoying the asian schoolgirl sluts.
    • Would u like me to:
    • Order the full video
    • Find similar content
    • Set some mood music
    • Minimise myself, coz u are shy
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  29. Yet another "feature" to be abused. by Treacle+Treatment · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Flaming red banners in 1-inch fonts flashing at 5 times a second. Boxes poping up all over the screen. Boxes that follow your browsing and won't get out of the way. And now...

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  30. Pop-up web browsing by 192939495969798999 · · Score: 3, Funny

    That couldn't possibly have applications in the adult entertainment industry, right?

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  31. Great idea by Bijin+Ahandi+(Score4 · · Score: 1, Informative

    But we already have that. It's called BannerAddRemover. If you also disable java/javascript, automatic redirection, popups and asp, you are able to get straight to the interesting links.

    1. Re:Great idea by Shapeless+Blob+(-1) · · Score: 0

      It is illegal not to view the Ads. Who do you think is paying for all this free content?

  32. I think that the people... by nicodemus05 · · Score: 1, Interesting
    Who are asking whether this will be implemented in future versions of IE are asking the right question, since it dominates the browser market. (Please note that I am not in any way implying that this is justified before you flame me.)

    When Google converts a PDF file to HTML it highlights your search terms in different colors. I myself have often resorted to the Edit, Find (on This Page) options in IE.

    I agree that this shouldn't be a necessary feature, that the web designers should construct their pages to be searched easily, but the reality is that many people who have valuable information to post on the internet aren't able to lay out a webpage (a researcher is not necessarily a good graphic artist or may not have the time to do much more than stick his data on the web.)

    Anyway, while this idea is hardly innovative or practically implemented (who's going to switch to a new browser just for this feature?), it's a decent idea.

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    1. Re:I think that the people... by ptaff · · Score: 1
      Who are asking whether this will be implemented in future versions of IE are asking the right question, since it dominates the browser market.


      That the very reason why they won't do it.

      Since they won the battle against Netscape, look at how much stuff Microsoft added to IE. Not much, hey?

      Microsoft has nothing to gain (marketshare-wise, that's the way they think) in improving its browser. In a interview this spring was the announcement that IE6SP1 was the last standalone browser version. They don't care about the browser anymore. They won by bundling and will continue by bundling.

      If they had even a slight respect for the web standards and its users, PNG would be fully supported now, XHTML wouldn't throw errors, tabbed browsing would be possible, pop-up blocking options would be there.

      But no. Don't expect any improvement until Longworm. And even then...

    2. Re:I think that the people... by nicodemus05 · · Score: 1

      You're right, of course. But I have faith that some day a new browser will come along that blows IE completely out of the water in looks, efficiency, features, etc. I don't think that it'll have a commercial potential any greater than the life expectancy of an icicle in hell, but it'll force IE to remodel in order to maintain its vice-like grip on the browser market. Microsoft will undoubtably crush the upstart into the dust, but not before some changes have been made. (Again, MS's triumph is probably unjustified. Don't flame me.)

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  33. Prediction by thung226 · · Score: 5, Funny

    IE developers will wake up and smell new advertising opportunity.

    IE adds pop-out technology to browser

    Websites start using new pop-out technology.

    Mozilla/Opera adds following option:

    File > Preferences > Windows > Turn off pop-outs

    Going in circles is fun.

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    1. Re:Prediction by Viqsi · · Score: 1

      Hardly. MSIE just became abandonware, remember?

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  34. Advertising problems by dysprosia · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Now this helps you actually find the content of a page, web advertisers are going to start kicking up a fuss that Popout Prism is perceptually downplaying the importance of their ads...

  35. YYaaaawwn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'd check out the site, but it's already slashdotted. But, from the description given, it sounds like yet another useless idea. Why? How many times have you gone searching for some topic using google, or whatever search engine, only to get you to a page that does everything it CAN to try to draw your attentiona AWAY from the actual content you are looking for (which usually seems to be rahter minimal/useless anyhow) just to try to throw ads at you or get you to purchase/subscribe some product?

    This'll end up being just another technology that gets hijacked to make the browsing experience WORSE, not better. And as far as the few, quality sites, I don't need anything like Popout Prism - I can find the info I want VERY EASILY on a good site.

    This Popout Prism sounds to me like a complete waste of developer brain-time.

  36. You know what would be REALLY cool ... by Titusdot+Groan · · Score: 3, Funny
    is if instead of all these windows and colour highlights it marked up the web page using the blink tag!

    That would REALLY let me find my important information quickly!

    Why don't more people use blink on their websites for drawing attention to important information?

    1. Re:You know what would be REALLY cool ... by MyHair · · Score: 1

      Must.....kill....Titusdot....Groan....

  37. Netscape already has this.... by Rahga · · Score: 3, Informative

    Just hit "/", type the word you are looking for, and *BAM*, it gets highlighted and jumps to the next instance of the word.

    Okay, so it may not be the same thing, but it is a superior alternative.

    1. Re:Netscape already has this.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Holy crap! I never knew it did that! That is *much* easier than CTRL-F - wait - type word, etc...

      Thanks for the tip!

    2. Re:Netscape already has this.... by MyHair · · Score: 1

      By the way, "Netscape" is pronounced "moe-zill-ah". *BAM*

  38. Next... by Treacle+Treatment · · Score: 1

    Popout Prism's next feature will be a rubber mallet that Pops Out of a drive bay and whacks you in the head when you've moused over the meaningful content.
    :)

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  39. Dude, that's "vi" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    (no text)

  40. Re:Just what I need by Coward+the+Anonymous · · Score: 2, Informative

    "You think wrong. There are version differences in Java, and some programmers are dumb enough to write to a particular Java implementation, like Java 1.3 for instance, for a particular platform, like Windows for instance, for a particular application, like IE for instance. RTF download page."

    Well, Sun changed the way some things work between version 1.3 and 1.4 breaking some GUI applications. They don't provide any backwards compatability. It's not the programmers fault. As for a particular platform like Windows or Solaris or Linux, there is nothing in Java itself that is tied to a particular plaform. You do have the ability, however, to make system calls in Java thus making your app plaform dependent.

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  41. Re:a problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    -1: anti-intellectual ignoramus

  42. that's not all... by mblase · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The "popout prism" itself is a kind of sidebar which displays the entire unscrolled page in thumbnail form, with a box highlighting the area you're currently looking at. If you use thumbnails in Adobe (Acrobat) Reader or the navigation panel in Photoshop, you've seen the same sort of thing.

    In addition, it lets you type in keywords above the thumbnail and highlight those words in the thumbnail for you to navigate to quickly. That's what makes the popout useful for pages that contain more words than images.

  43. Re:um, clippy, could you give me just a few minute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're just a bit mistaken on the order of things:

    - PARC develops something
    - Jobs invites himself to dinner, salivating all the way through
    - Gates waits for Apple's refinement, makes an announcement, then releases three years later

  44. WARNING: MOTHERLAND SECURITY! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Attributing the invention of perspective to an A-rab is doubleplusungood badthink! Off the the gulag, err... camp X-Ray with you!

  45. Slashdot: come for the goatse, stay for the trolls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    "a web designer can't produce a well-designed web page, they've wasted their time AFAIC because I will just move on to a better site."

    But you're still here.

  46. Poopout Prism by levin · · Score: 1

    Introducing Poopout Prism. When countless slashdot readers access the website, the important information becomes no longer accessible . . .

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  47. Didn't You Know? by brakk · · Score: 1

    Didn't you know that eventually the web will just be one big text file and the way it is viewed will be governed by your browser and its plugins?

    1. Re:Didn't You Know? by sunbeam60 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Didn't we try this a few years back? :)

  48. Why you. . . by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 1
    You're all just a bunch of cynical, (oh, hold on; gotta nuke stupid blinking head-ache generator at the top of Slashdot. . , taking microsecond to note which product or service I will never, ever patronize. Ah there we go. . . Nuked. Stress level falling. Mozilla, like drinking from a cool mountain stream.)

    Now where was I. . ?

    Oh yes!

    . . bastards!


    -FL --Image nuke should come with a mouse-over + keyboard shortcut option.

  49. Wowee... by mwood · · Score: 1

    ...another attempt to save us from the need to learn to write well.

  50. Re:um, clippy, could you give me just a few minute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Clippy: Were these the type of asian schoolgirl sluts you were looking for?

    Gives new meaning to perky breasts.

  51. Ouch! by Kosi · · Score: 1

    WTF just hit my nose out of my display?!?

  52. Re:a problem by j0l · · Score: 1

    Is it me or does this look rather similar to Apple's old OpenDoc Browser Cyberdog? If my memory serves me (not something to rely on) then there was a plugin called something like 'Hot sauce' that basically converted href's into a dynamic page surprisingly similar, mind you the garish colurs tended to hurt my eyes.......

  53. "vi" predates mozilla.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  54. The Prism License Slurps by jbyron · · Score: 1

    Their license is pretty restrictive - licensees have 90 days to evaluate the product and provide them with free feedback, then must delete the software. Maybe they'll eventually release a product that will be free or cost money, maybe they won't release anything. I can't wait to try it out!!

    1. Re:The Prism License Slurps by bpendleton · · Score: 2, Informative
      It isn't clear from the article, but Popout Prism is a technology demonstration of a research concept. It isn't intended to be a general purpose browser. It is intended to be a way of allowing those interested in the technology to try it out, and get a feel for how it works.

      And, yes, there are some problems with the installer. If you're having trouble, write to popoutprism-support@parc.com, and we'll see what we can do to help.

  55. Use Opera to customize how websites are displayed by Post · · Score: 5, Informative

    Opera has a lot of neat features when it comes to finding the goodies on a page. E.g., you can force your own stylesheets on a page, even multiple ("User Mode"). So I have a standard b/w stylesheet that underlines and colors links no matter what the designer intended, and another one to switch off all images (except those that are links).

    Also, you can zoom in and out pages: 25% gives a nice "thumbnail" style overview, while 400% should be enough for even the smallest, err, details. Bonus: Images and Flash movies are resized as well, so this is much better than IE's feature. Press "W" to move from headline to headline (assuming the designer actually used H1 and not just f****ng bold). Pressing [ctrl][j] brings up a window that shows all links on the page. Just select those you want and open them in a background window etc. etc.

    And just pressing F12 will give you a Popup menu to switch off all that nonsense that often keeps you from reading: GIF animation, background Audio, Java, Popups ...

    Also, Opera will allow heavy customization. Almost every element of the UI can be tweaked and moved around. Whether you want a minimalist, near-fullscreen browser or a large set of custom stylesheets, search engines etc. at your fingertips, new keyboard shortcuts or Google Toolbar style Bookmarklets: Just tweak a few INI files.

    PS: If it's only highlighting you want: When you're on Windows, the Google Toolbar is very helpful. Also, there's Text Spotlight, which does the same thing system-wide, not only in the browser.

  56. Coincidence? by Gutboy_Barrelhouse · · Score: 1

    When I glance over "Popout Prism" on the page, I keep seeing "priapism."

    1. Re:Coincidence? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When I glance over "Popout Prism" on the page, I keep seeing "priapism."

      That would be a HUGE mistake, I think.

  57. Sounds Like A Gator Rip Off by Kneo24 · · Score: 0

    I'm sure you all remember that infamous spyware component, gator. This sounds like the exact same thing Gator does, but in a less offensive way.

  58. Next Feature for Mozilla by sulli · · Score: 1

    Popup Prism Blocker!

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  59. Re:Just what I need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've seen several Java programs that were Windows-dependent (sort-of) because they used Windows-style paths. Fortunately, C:\PATH\FILE is a valid file name in Unix, so I could actually work around the problem to get some of those programs to sort of work by creating symlinks with funny names...

  60. Reading the page is good. by dhodell · · Score: 1

    I get the feeling that they're suggesting with their page that they're doing a trial of their algorithm, not providing some kind of web browser that will be released for popular use. The ideas I get from a license requesting feedback and from the page (after the 5 minute load time) don't necessarily point me in that direction of thinking. However, I see three paths for this tool to follow:

    • They're testing their algorithm and will be tweaking *this* when they've got adequate feedback. The algorithm will be patented (if it's not already) and sold -- think of all the uses for advertising companies, search engines, etc.
    • They can sell this tool to advertising agencies as a way to target content on super-dynamic sites (for instance, message boards where the subject line isn't inherently obvious, or discussion sites such as /.)
    • They're trying to make a browser that will fail

    I don't have their page open anymore, and I won't wait for it to load again, but I remember reading a sentence to the effect of "This web browser is testing our new PARC technology." I honestly don't think they're stupid enough to be trying to market a web browser with this.

    I've not downloaded this product, but considering that people have mentioned that it requires a JVM... I'm not sure this is such a smart move, considering that Java can be decompiled super-easily. Unless, of course, they've already got that patent...

    Anyway, it'll be interesting to see what they end up doing with this.

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  61. Just incase it gets /.ed by aardwolf204 · · Score: 1, Redundant

    I'm usually not one for the Karma-whoring (TM) but the site seems to be on its knees.

    What is Popout Prism?
    Popout Prism is an intuitive, elegant tool to reduce the amount of time users spend looking for information in Web pages. By creating visual "popouts" that emphasize critical elements in Web pages, Popout Prism draws users' attention to the right information.

    How does it work?
    Using perceptual design principles based on PARC research into visual attention, Popout Prism makes critical information "pop out" from the background Web page.

    Users operate Popout Prism as they would operate any other Web browser, entering URLs and following links as usual. To make critical information pop out, the user enters keywords. Popout Prism enhances those keywords in the Web page as well as in an enhanced thumbnail overview. Users can quickly scan the enhanced document to find relevant content.

    Popout Prism features

    Here's a look at some of the key features of the Popout Prism browser:
    * "Overview" (left side of Popout Prism): an enhanced thumbnail which gives an overview of the Web page shown in the detail view.
    * "Sliding window" (dotted rectangle on the overview): a sliding window that can be used as a scrollbar to navigate to different parts of the Web page shown in the detail view.
    * "Detail view" (right side of Popout Prism): a full-size view of a Web page that can be enhanced with popouts.

    To see the Popout Prism browser in action, view this short video demo.
    Popout Prism Demo mpg (27mb)

    Popout Prism was tested internally by technical and non-technical users during a normal work week. The perceptual design principles were effective: Popout Prism users were able to quickly find information, and they preferred the Popout Prism interface to traditional "find" and highlighting techniques.

    Can popouts be used in other ways?
    Popout Prism is an experimental Web browser that showcases PARC's popout technology. This same functionality could also be included in many other tools, such as knowledge management solutions or code development environments. In the future, we may release a toolkit for generating enhanced thumbnails. If you would be interested in being a pilot user for such a toolkit, please send a note to popoutprism-support@parc.com.

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  62. Wait a Minute.... by thelaw · · Score: 3, Funny
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  63. Re:Just what I need by kalidasa · · Score: 1

    Well, Sun changed the way some things work between version 1.3 and 1.4 breaking some GUI applications. They don't provide any backwards compatability. It's not the programmers fault.

    A nice argument, except...we're talking about a new program here, not a legacy program.

  64. How to only look at relevant info with MOZILLA. by Eric_Cartman_South_P · · Score: 1
    Use "Adblock" in Firebird or "Bannerblind" in Mozilla. And have all popup's blocked too. Guess what? You are now looking at relevant info, NO adds whatsoever and NO popups. Clean web browsing. Do this for a month, then try using IE on another computer one day and you will feel sick with ad-nauseum. Whenever I see a screen of the web with normal IE it amazes me, because I forget just how full the web is with crap ads all over. Block them and you start focusing on relevant data.

  65. How much did this plug cost? by jbottero · · Score: 0

    Come on now, what kind of stupid spam tool crap is this? OSDN must have pocketed a few $ on this "story".

  66. 2001? And this is 'news' ? by AmunRa · · Score: 1

    Did anyone else notice the copyright notice at the end of the video was 2001? And that the actual page is copyrighted 2002? Now come on guys, I know this is 'News for Nerds. Stuff that matters' but is a two year old project still 'news'?

    Sigh. I wish the submitters (and the editors) would stop for a moment, and check out a story before it gets posted. Hey, would it be too much to ask the same of posters? Sure, everyone wants to be the first with a good story / comment, but this seems to be at the expense of any quality these days!

    (Picks up walking stick while muttering something about "In my day......")

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  67. Good for a limited niche by serutan · · Score: 1

    Making keywords pop-out instead of simply highlighting them doesn't seem all that useful, but I can see using the thumbnail feature to find a site that has, say, a graph of something or a picture of something. Or maybe to find a site you've been to but forgot to bookmark, and could recognize easily by the layout.

  68. Wow, just what we need by qtp · · Score: 1

    Something that will make the blink tag even more irritating than before!

    (it would have been nice if /. supported the blink tag just this once.)

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  69. could this work in the reverse direction? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    On my IBM T221 with 3840 pixels horizontally, many web sites (CNN, for example) end up crunched into a tiny width, nick (posting AC cause I already mod'ed)

    1. Re:could this work in the reverse direction? by Brummund · · Score: 1

      Hm, it could be. Have you tried Opera 7 and the custom stylesheets? In the menus: Choose View/Style/User mode . Then try one of the stylesheets mentioned there. You should also be able to modify them. On my Linux box, the stylesheets in the menu are located in /usr/share/opera/styles/user

      You can also adjust the user mode CSS in the File/Preferences/Page style tab.

      (Tip: Hit CTRL-g to enable/disable user mode stylesheets.)

  70. Re:a problem by MyHair · · Score: 1

    It's interesting to look at paintings done before perspective was used. All the people painted are the same size whether they're in the foreground or accross the river and up a tree.

  71. Re:a problem by aborchers · · Score: 1

    Agreed. I also like the midieval works where children are anotomically identical to adults, only smaller. :-)

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  72. Re:um, clippy, could you give me just a few minute by tkarr · · Score: 1

    >:-O