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Filesharing Traffic Drops After RIAA Threats

bryan writes "According to CNN, facing the threat of lawsuits from a music industry trade group, fewer people are using online filesharing applications to swap songs. Internet audience measurement service Nielsen Net Ratings said traffic on Kazaa, the leading filesharing platform, fell 15 percent in the week ended July 6 from the previous week. It was during that prior week, on June 25, that the Recording Industry Association of America said it would track down the heaviest users of "peer-to-peer" services like Kazaa and sue them for damages of up to $150,000 per copyright violation." This follows earlier reports, from the filesharing companies themselves, that traffic was actually increasing.

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  1. Pretty common scenario by mao+che+minh · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Television evangelist Pat Robertson was overheard stating that the process of natural evolution was impossible, given that it's findings lie outside the idea of Christian creation dogma. All the while scientists the world over continue to compile and test bodies of evidence for it's many intricate workings. Despite all of the evidence to the contrary, Pat Robertson's opinion remains firm.

    If Pat Robertson were to tell the truth, he might loose some of his marketshare.

    The file sharing companies want to display a facade that their business is as strong as ever, even in the face of the new RIAA litigations and attempts to prevent the further theft of their products. Saying otherwise might hurt their (the file sharing companies) potential advertising campaign or the planned "pay-per-play/download" strategies.

    1. Re:Pretty common scenario by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
      How about this?
      The eye has always elicited awe from anyone who has studied its structure carefully. The clear tissue of the cornea curves just the right amount, the iris expands and contracts to modulate the amount of light entering, the lens adjusts to distance, so that the optimal quantity of light focuses exactly on the surface of the retina, etc. It seems to be so carefully crafted that it is hard to imagine how its design could be improved upon. In the 19th century this conviction reached its zenith in William Paley's Natural Theology (1802), which took the eye as the basis for an argument for the existence of an all-wise, all-powerful Intelligent Designer. A closer look at the vertebrate eye, however, may lead one to a different conclusion. Blood vessels and nerves traverse the inside of the retina, and then dive through an opening in the retinal wall on their way to the optic nerve. This creates a blind spot at their point of exit, and some distortion as photons have to make their way through the tangle of blood vessels and nerves before striking the retinal wall. It may not be a large distortion, but the vertebrate eye is clearly not designed as well as it could be. This arrangement also fails to anchor the retina securely to the inside of the eye, so that retinal detachment sometimes occurs (e.g., in boxers). The "backwards" wiring of vertebrate eyes is a good example of (i) bad luck and (ii) historical constraints. Hundreds of millions of years ago the layer of cells that happened to become light sensitive in our ancestors was positioned "incorrectly," but because it provided a selective advantage, it was retained and evolved into the modern backwards-wired vertebrate eye. Even though a better design existed in an abstract "morphospace" (i.e., the space of biologically possible forms), once evolution of the eye started down a certain path, backing up (i.e., going back to a relatively less advantageous form) and starting over, became impossible. Squid eyes, on the other hand, are designed more sensibly, with nerves running on the outside, reducing distortion and securing the retina so that it cannot detach. Were squid to take up boxing, one would see far fewer prematurely terminated careers due to detached retinae.
      A simple google search turned up this paper
      I'll leave it as an exercise for the readers to find a reference for marsupial pouches.
    2. Re:Pretty common scenario by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Creationism isn't science, and thus doesn't need proof. The theory of evolution, on the other hand, is science, and so requires proof. The whole creationism/evolution thing would just go away if people realized that the two are orthogonal rather than opposing, and abandoned the notion that everyone has to believe as they do.

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    3. Re:Pretty common scenario by Copid · · Score: 2, Insightful
      That's the kind of thing the original poster was laughing at. Sure, it's possible, but why opt for that explanation rather than for the simpler one? The simple explanation for me is that I have a life history from birth until today. I graduated from high school, went to college, got a job, etc. The less reasonable one is that I was born in a laboratory in adult form yesterday, and my memories were implanted by an evil corporation bent on controlling the world. Sure, it could be true, but does it sound logical for me to say that that since I can't be totally sure of either one, both of them are equally valid theories?

      It looks like there were dinosaurs a long time ago. Why prefer to believe that an omnipotent being made it look that way to trick you when you could simply believe that there were dinosaurs a long time ago?

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    4. Re:Pretty common scenario by CrowScape · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That would by why things like carbon dating aren't used to date fossils, as they are way too old and the fact that they're comprised of various minerals, not organic compounds, pretty much means there ain't all that much carbon to be found in them. Since C-14 decays too rapidly, you aren't gonna get more than a few thousand years out of that method. C-14 dating is great for archaeology, not for palentology. Imagine trying to measure the distance from New York to LA, and your only tool is a yardstick that has been solidly bolted into the ground in Times Square and you get why it's futile to use C-14 to date something that's millions of years old. And for Creationists, I think they consider God to be a complete idiot.

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    5. Re:Pretty common scenario by forgotmypassword · · Score: 2, Insightful
      You show me where that squid (or whatever) grew wings. You show me significant, non-fatal mutations of anything. You show me exactly how a pool of glop from wherever turns into life at all, much less the complicated being that you are...apparently skipping intermediary forms.

      No guesses. No speculation. FACT. Pure and simple.

      I find it very strange that you require vast amounts of evidence and logic to support a belief in some natural process that has almost no relevance to your everyday life.

      Meanwhile you support a belief in God that is comparatively unjustified. Your belief in God is far more meaningful than your belief in evolution. But you have constrained the belief of evolution to such a level that it would be impossible to believe in God under the same constraints. I find that to be unbalanced.

      You are an emotional thinker. Life is easier for you if your belief system feels right, than if it is logically consistant. That is your basis. You will never be able to come to terms with a logical thinker. Neither one of you can possibly argue to the other's satisfaction.

    6. Re:Pretty common scenario by darien · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Until you can, you have no better basis or argument than creationists that you ridicule do.

      Read this. It's a lot more compelling than anything you've said today.

      The evolutionist argument is effectively "no, of course we can't prove that this is what happened millions of years before any of us was born; but look, here's a vast corpus of evidence that supports that theory."

      The creationist rebuttal is generally along the lines of "aha, so you can't prove it! So it's equally likely that the world was sneezed, fully-formed out of the nose of the Great Green Arkleseizure."

  2. Taking a poll by ranolen · · Score: 3, Funny

    How many of you have slowed or stopped your file sharing???

    1. Re:Taking a poll by DeathPenguin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't think the Slashdot crowd has the same mentality toward legal issues involving the RIAA as normal users. Your poll is going to have an unusually high number of people voting in favor of file swapping.

    2. Re:Taking a poll by JudgeFurious · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I have but I have to admit that it only applies to movies. I last logged in to get a song before iTunes Music Store came online. Now that's got my music needs covered.

      I still go to P2P for the odd South Park episode, that hard to find must have porn, or to get some software. Movies have absolutely nothing to fear from me though. Too much time and the results are crap.

      I never said I wasn't stealing their shit. I only said I'd buy it if they met me halfway. iTunes did that and now I'm doing that.

      Now let's get with the $5 DVD's and the $29 Photoshop people! Chop Chop!

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    3. Re:Taking a poll by jedidiah · · Score: 4, Interesting

      One cannot *steal* software,movies or music.

      They are an infinitely reproducable thing. Otherwise, something like Kazaa would not really work.

      All you can do is deprive the RIAA of a "potential" sale. Now since the demand for luxury items is typically VERY elastic, you can't equate a presumed loss at $0 to an actual loss at $20.

      However, you can achieve a similar end result by merely buying used media. It's rather nice being able to "stick it to the RIAA" in a manner that no airchair moralist can reasonably complain about.

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    4. Re:Taking a poll by Fux+the+Pengiun · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, that's just excellent, then. Transfer them to ogg, because, that's an OPEN STANDARD, and we should only steal people's music with OPEN STANDARDS. See, then it's okay, because it helps "the community" and all that.

      I'm surprised this story was posted in the "media" section, actually. I figured it would grace the "Your Rights Online" section for sure. We usually see this sort of thing about copyright holders trying to halt the theft of their work in that section. That, somehow, when somebody tries to enforce the law, it must be violating your rights. Forget the copyright holder...it's Your Rights Online, not theirs.

      These programs, Kazaa, Nuttela, etc, were written specifically for the purpose of illegally downloading music. I know they have a few other uses, as well, but that wasn't what the authors were thinking when they wrote them. The thought was "I want to steal music." Then they release it with a *wink wink, nudge nudge* "It's for distributing my garage band's tiny garbage to our global village!" When they get called on it, when the RIAA exposes the man behind the curtain, all of a sudden it's about my "rights."

      Right...I forgot about that "right" you have to get Britney Spear's latest drivel for free. Of course you have a right to works of somebody else! We talk about rights and free speech and all that, and we rationalize our thievery away. "The RIAA is evil, so it's okay to steal!" "They rip off the artists anyway!" Cognitive Dissonance. So, if RIAA doesn't give enough money to the artists for their work, that makes it morally acceptable for you to give them nothing, then, right? That's how you justify that pirate mp3, isn't it? But the artist sure isn't going to see a thing from that.

      Really, why are we even discussing Kazaa on this site? I mean, isn't Slashdot the home of Free Software? Aren't these closed, proprietary formats? Isn't that bad? Oh, wait, I guess it's okay sometimes...like it's cool to like Apple because they're all so nice. I guess I'm just not enlightened enough to see the difference. Maybe a member of the Slashdot 31337ist intelligencia can inform me.

      [/rant] good god...sorry for the rant, I just get so sick of seeing this gloating on /. over and over again...

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    5. Re:Taking a poll by vadim_t · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And it would be right. The credit card number would simply be duplicated.

      Now, the money from the account would indeed be stolen since the original owner would lose it.

    6. Re:Taking a poll by vTalon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      However, you can achieve a similar end result by merely buying used media. It's rather nice being able to "stick it to the RIAA" in a manner that no airchair moralist can reasonably complain about.

      Ha! You underestimate the power of your average armchair moralist!

      I consider buying used to be the equivalent of just downloading something. Either way, you're denying the original creators fair compensation.

      Of course, you buy used, and you're out $5-$10 on top of the damage to your Karma. I'd rather just download.

    7. Re:Taking a poll by Daetrin · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Now let's get with the $5 DVD's and the $29 Photoshop people! Chop Chop!

      I actually had the exact same experience with audiobooks. For the last month or two i've been considering buying audiobooks so i'd have something interesting to listen to during me 30+ minute commute. However if you go to Borders or Barnes and Noble or Amazon.com they cost a bloody fortune. $30 is about as low as they get, and seeing prices up in the $70s and $80s is not uncommon.

      I bought one cheap audiobook (A Wizard of Earthsea) and was impressed, but the price kept putting me off. I was seriously considering looking around on filesharing systems to see if i could grab mp3s of them from somewhere. Most of the tiles i want are books i already own anyways, so i wouldn't have felt too guilty about doing so.

      Then i discovered that i could buy audio files of the same books from Audible.com. Theoretically they have the same list price as the tape version, which is insane, but just about all the files there are marked down to a reasonable price, and if you're willing to sign up for a monthly account you can get any two books a month for $20.

      I signed up for the one year membership since after looking through their library i could find at least 24 books i wanted and that way i could get a free mp3 player. (Yeah, it's a piece of junk player, but if i'm going to sign up for a year anyways...)

      So the book-on-CD people made $30 or $40 off of me once, and then scared me away with the horible prices and the lack of availability of the books i was interested in. Audible.com put things at a reasonable price and just made $250 off me. And i would have never taken the time to find Audible.com if the CD people were pricing things at a reasonable price of $20 or so per book. (About what i'm paying now when you consider the price of CDs.)

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  3. who isnt sharing? by claudius0425 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    the truely interesting statistics would cover whether those who are not sharing are primarily uploaders or downloaders, and what there volume was before they stopped.

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    1. Re:who isnt sharing? by Xandar01 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Or even more interesting, did CD sales increase in the same period? Maybe people were busy doing other things.

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    2. Re:who isnt sharing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Everyone was stuck so long in the airport security lines over the Fourth of July Weekend that they're just now getting out and haven't been able to run kazaa in two weeks.

    3. Re:who isnt sharing? by joe_bruin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      well, let's ask, who is sharing?
      a lot of those who are sharing are college students. the riaa made the "we're suing everyone" claim just as most college students go on spring break. many people that were sharing over their dorm's high speed internet connection are home now, stuck with their parents' dialup accounts. file sharing does historically decline in the (northern hemisphere) summer months, so a decline in file sharing would not be at all unexpected.

  4. Correction by sulli · · Score: 5, Insightful
    According to CNN

    According to RIAA member AOL Time Warner

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    1. Re:Correction by qslack · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Actually, it's according to Nielsen Net Ratings via Reuters. CNN did not write the article. It's a syndicated article. Still, you have a good point that is worth noting in most cases; this, however, is not one of them.

    2. Re:Correction by sulli · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Nonetheless CNN is responsible for its prominence on the page.

      (Of course AOL Time Warner is also the author of Winamp and the original author of Gnutella ... hahaha)

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  5. Wow who would have guessed by missing000 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I assumed that everyone just stayed at home and downloaded mp3's on the 4th of July.

    I can't belive that many people really had something better to do than surf the web on a holiday.

  6. Truly anonymous is the only way to go. by caluml · · Score: 5, Informative
    That's why truly anonymous P2P apps are the only way.

    Please mod me up - we need help with this project. Please get in touch if you can code, or have ideas, or comments.

    1. Re:Truly anonymous is the only way to go. by cait56 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I suppose there are legitimate applications for anonymous sharing. I don't really think that stealing music is one of them. But if you really want to do this, why not simply obscure what is being shared? That way network congestion control is left intact.

      Any well administered network will interpret these packets as a Denial of Service attack and kill them anyway.

      If you just encrypt the material, nobody will know what you are sharing.

      Except of course for the directory you published telling people how to get this really neat download of X.

      It doesn't matter how you distribute the material. If you make it possible for strangers to find your content and download it, then it will be possible for the RIAA to be one of those strangers.

  7. Unreliable stats by l810c · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They didn't take into account 4th of July weekend here in the States. A lot of people wnet out of town. 15% decrease with a 3 day weekend is Not a trend or a result of the threat.

    1. Re:Unreliable stats by Genjurosan · · Score: 5, Informative

      BINGO! You hit the nail on the HEAD.

      AAA Predicted that 37.4 million Americans planned to travel over the holiday. --With the US population roughly at 291 million, that's about 13%..

      For backup of my stats:

      US Population Clock:

      http://www.census.gov/main/www/popclock.html

      Travel States: (search for July 4th on this google cached page)

      http://216.239.37.104/search?q=cache:vb3Zo5s2UHo J: www.tia.org/Travel/tiupdate_current.asp+july+4th+t ravel+statistics&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

    2. Re:Unreliable stats by Polo · · Score: 4, Funny

      In related news, job attendance dropped 20% compared to the previous week.

    3. Re:Unreliable stats by pla · · Score: 2, Informative

      I don't have any direct numbers that can detail just how many of these 291 million Americans are users of p2p. Let's say it's 50%, then wouldn't the drop be in usage be more like 6.5%? -/+ a few points? I'm sure there is a /.er out there that can help us out.

      Okay, the "real" statistical problems here...

      IF those people using file-sharing apps form an essentially random cross-section of the population, and if none of those people had any way to engage in their normal filesharing activity while on vacation, then you would see the same percentage drop in filesharing as people going away for the long weekend - though only for the time they stayed away from home, so we have effectively a factor of 3/7ths on top of the raw number of vacationers.

      (Quick summary of the above - under idealized conditions, a 13% travel rate that week would translate into a 5.6% drop in filesharing over the course of that week).

      I see it as likely that the incidence of filesharers does NOT count as a random selection from the general US population. For the most obvious confounding factor, we could fairly consider both "travel" and "owns a decent computer with a broadband connection" as luxuries heavily dependant on income. This would cause the numbers as presented to increase, in that if a higher percentage of filesharers went on vacation than nonfilesharers.

      For another confounding factor, looking at usage patterns over so short a period of time (for measuring social change) as a week carries very little weight. Large short-term fluctuations can occur in almost any measured variable. As an example, last week I had pizza for five meals, about three meals more than in a normal week. Can we attribute that to the RIAA's threats, or just a coincidence?


      In order for the RIAA to validly claim their threats "caused" the drop in filesharing, they would need to somehow undo their threat and watch levels return to normal. And repeat that a number of times, with consistent results. And even then, they could only call it "likely" that their threats caused the changes.

  8. In other news... by AKnightCowboy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    IRC channel #mp3-d00dz attendance is up 4500%. Not to mention tons of private FTP servers re-emerging. This isn't really a big deal IMHO. There are millions of songs that have exchanged hands. Just find a friend with tons of songs, setup an FTP server, and trade amongsts yourselves from now on. We've primed the pump, so to speak. ;-)

  9. Stats by BWJones · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I would not be surprised if the increase in file-sharing was due to a bunch of new folks coming on-line to see what the hub-bub was about, while the decrease is most certainly due to the folks that were sharing large collections with lots of easily trackable bandwidth that got spooked.

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  10. News at 11 ... by Professor+D · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Internet file swapping teens take a break for 4th of July. (15% = 1/7 of the week)

  11. How were the measurements made. by expro · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Since these services are peer to peer with no centralized servers, it would be interesting to know how the measurements were made.

    If they are merely asking people if they used P2P, it seems like fewer people would openly admit it.

    1. Re:How were the measurements made. by nelsonal · · Score: 2, Informative

      Neilson Net Ratings is the tv ratings company trying to expand to the new media, it's software that tracks web usage. Sites visited and probably time spent, I don't know what else. They pay you to use it, the pay might be close to a budget ISP info. Why anyone would share anything with a big rating company tracking their moves is beyond me.

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  12. Logical counter-claim. by RyanFenton · · Score: 4, Funny


    10% claimed up, 15% claimed down, that means we should see a 22.5% up counter-claim.

    Unless aces are wild, which could throw the whole thing off.

    Ryan Fenton

  13. Wow, who woulda thought... by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Filesharing companies claim their userbase increased after being threatened....

    Media claims their threats were effective and the userbase decreased...

    I mean...neither of these two groups would have an ulterior motive...naaaah...

    So, in cases like these, aside from using your own good (or not so good) judgement, how are we supposed to be able to tell who to believe, or if we can't believe either source, where to find a source we CAN believe?

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  14. summer time vacations by pbaker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Maybe the decrease was because this was the week of July 4th. You know...people are outside setting off fireworks and having BBQ parties, instead sitting inside downloading music. It would be interesting to see if traffic also dropped on the week of July 4th, 2002.

  15. No problem! by GuyMannDude · · Score: 5, Funny

    According to CNN, facing the threat of lawsuits from a music industry trade group, fewer people are using online filesharing applications to swap songs.

    Fine, whatever. Just as long as the number of people sharing porn videos doesn't drop!

    GMD

  16. That's because I'm using iTunes now by JudgeFurious · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Legal alternative which gives me music the way I want to buy it. See RIAA guys, now that wasn't so hard was it?

    We aren't all theives just looking for free music. Some of us were just looking for what we consider to be an equitable business model for buying songs. I've found iTunes and it's close enough that I'd rather buy music there than download it on Kazaa.

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    1. Re:That's because I'm using iTunes now by webguru4god · · Score: 3, Interesting
      I couldn't agree more! The iTunes Music Store is awesome, I think once it hits Windows the landscape of online file sharing will be permanently changed. The other night I was looking for a CD from a smaller independent band, and a search of 6 record stores in my city turned up nothing. I used a friend's Mac the next day, and within 5 minutes, I had bought, downloaded and burned the CD I was looking for.

      It's a shame the RIAA is so inflexible and that they are still trying to enforce their draconian system of rule upon us. The Internet is changing the way music is listened to, and if they don't figure that out, they're going to alienate the entire popluation of music-loving people!

      Check out the EFF's Share The Music Campaign and help support them so that the RIAA doesn't win this battle!

    2. Re:That's because I'm using iTunes now by JudgeFurious · · Score: 3, Informative

      And you go for it man. I'm happy with the quality of the songs on iTunes. That's me and obviously different people have different standards.

      I also have DSL and I'd be ok with the file sizes if they gave me an option of getting the WAV instead of the AAC but the AAC doesn't suck so I'm good. Hell since I'm mostly about downloading a track or two per album (and not always the "hit single" either) I'd even be willing to go a buck fifty to get the better quality file. Now a lot of people wouldn't but again, that's me.

      I respect what you're saying but I think that based on the number of people who've been downloading MP3's and the price that iTunes is asking for individual tracks that they're going to appeal to plenty of people selling it the way they're doing. The Dial-ups are going to require the file size be small enough to at least get in a night and so many people out there are ok with the MP3/AAC kind of quality already that it will be a non-factor to most.

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    3. Re:That's because I'm using iTunes now by carpe_noctem · · Score: 3, Informative

      Until iTunes music store starts to carry music that is at least -somewhat- off the beaten path, I'm not going to subscribe. Here is a brief summary of my last iTunes store experience:

      1 Hrm...iTunes music store. 0.99$ sounds about right. Been meaning to pick up that new autechre album, anyways.
      2. Search "autechre": returns 0 results.
      3. Hey, that's a bummer. Lets see if they've got anything else.
      4. Search "boards of canada": 0 results.
      5. wtf
      6. Search "aphex twin": 0 results.
      7. wtf * 2
      8. Ok fuck this. Preferences->Deactivate iTunes music store.

      Maybe this has changed since last time I was on, but the selection sucks. Maybe autechre and boards of canada might be considered 'obscure', but aphex is on a major label and is quite well known. Until the iTunes store evolves from yet another place to buy eminem's music, I'm not putting any money into it.

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    4. Re:That's because I'm using iTunes now by debugdave · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Until iTunes music store starts to carry music that is at least -somewhat- off the beaten path, I'm not going to subscribe.
      Well you don't have to subscribe to anything you just need to use a Macintosh. And i wouldnt consider aphex twin off the beaten path. You can go into Sam Goody and get a lot of his cds.

  17. sheesh more twisted truths... by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ell 15 percent in the week ended July 6 from the previous week. It was during that prior week,

    Hmmm kinda funny how filesharing drops on the biggest holiday/vacation/camping week in the USA.

    that week most areas had massive concerts, air-fairs, festivals, beer tents, you name it than any other week of the year.

    over 50% of my neighborhood were gone a large portion of that week either to shows at the local music festival or travel to detroit or chicago for their festivals/events...

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  18. Distinction with a difference by Fux+the+Pengiun · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Doh! Read the links...the RIAA is talking about song-swapping going down, while the p2p perveyors are talking about traffic going up. That's a distinction...people are swapping fewer songs, but more other stuff.

    My guess: Since they're all Pirates, they're downloading that new Johnny Depp movie. ARRRR!!!

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  19. Gadzooks! by i8urtaco · · Score: 2, Funny

    No wonder I was having trouble finding a decent mp3 of "Don't copy that floppy".

  20. yup, happened here by confusednoise · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Where I work they have a pretty lax internet use policy -- blah blah blah no pr0n please blah blah as long as you get your work done blah blah

    All of a sudden last week, the sysadmins sent out notice that they will be blocking commonly used P2P ports out of fear of being sued by the RIAA. This is a small non-profit company that's just managing to keep its head above water. No way could we deal w/a lawsuit. It's another case of money buying the legal system - whether RIAA could ultimately win the lawsuit in court is irrelevant since this company doesn't have the $$ to even risk it. Personal/Non-business/just plain folks have it even worse

    1. Re:yup, happened here by The+Master+Control+P · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is why someone, preferably a well-known group like the EFF or ACLU, needs to start a non-profit fund to defend people from the RIAA.

      The RIAA is like a wounded sabre-toothed tiger... It's going down slowly, and it's getting weaker, but it's still more than strong enough to kill the average person.

      Even though they are slowly disintegrating, they still have far more money to bribe the judge and far more lawyers than their victims (who are chosen because of this) ever will so most of their victims have to either A) get screwed by the RIAA, B) Fight the case, loose, and meet Big Gay Bubba in prison, or C) Fight, win, and suffer financial ruin for the rest of their lives.

      I doubt that the RIAA would be so apt to go after p2p users if they stood a chance of defending themselves. Why do you think predators always go after the young, the sick, and the elderly?

  21. easy: school's out by hazem · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This can be easily explained. Most universities in the country were finished in mid June and sent the kids home. The kids don't normally have access to that sweet T-3 when they are at home. So of course file-sharing went down.

    I doubt it has little to do with the RIAA threat.

    In other news, truancy drops by 90% after mid June.

  22. MC Hammer-"Can't touch this" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "How many of you have slowed or stopped your file sharing???"

    We at 65.42.25.3 are still going strong.

    1. Re:MC Hammer-"Can't touch this" by duck_prime · · Score: 3, Funny
      "How many of you have slowed or stopped your file sharing???"

      We at 65.42.25.3 are still going strong.
      And the mighty server at 127.0.0.1 is proudly and unabashedly serving files to the entire 192.168.1.1/256 network.
  23. Re:CDRs? by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 2, Informative
    "Well probably have a better idea of whats going on from CDR sales figures."

    Don't know if you're trolling or not...but is it really that hard to find a way to use CDRs aside from burning pirated material? How can you possibly tell if the usage of an online service has increased or decreased based on the amount of blank media sold of which only ONE of the many uses is to backup pirated files?

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  24. Of course P2P activity is dropping! by dcavanaugh · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Maybe the swappers have as much material as they want. The current offerings at the store are so pitiful that they aren't worth downloading, much less buying.

    If I worked for RIAA, I would use P2P activity as a leading indicator of future sales. Reduced P2P activity means the current products are not very popular. When will they learn?

    1. Re:Of course P2P activity is dropping! by djeaux · · Score: 2, Funny
      If I worked for RIAA, I would use P2P activity as a leading indicator of future sales. Reduced P2P activity means the current products are not very popular. When will they learn?

      This is brilliant! Better yet, don't let the RIAA get credit for it -- steal their stats, refurbish them as market research & sell them to record companies ;-)

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  25. Worse still by JSkills · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I've found an increase in decoy files out there. I was attempting to download some songs from the new Steely Dan album - hoping to preview before I buy the CD. And oh yes, I will be buying the CD no matter, I have them all . Anyway, all of the different song files were there, but each one of them was the exact same song (some old Steely Dan song from several albums/years ago). No matter what user I tried to pull from, they all had the same (single) bogus song deceptively named incorrectly. I experienced a similar phenomena when the new Chili Peppers CD came out (I bought that CD too).

    Sure I've pulled down songs, listened to them, and not bought the CD (and since I didn't dig the song, I deleted it). Is this wrong? I've actually found myself finding more and more groups this way to get into. I spent my college days working in Record World and seeing just how much it cost to produce a CD compared to how much the store charged. Nothing worse than buying the CD for one song and getting slayed by the rest of the songs (that are useless).

    Perhaps we are nearing the end of an era?

  26. No one by HanzoSan · · Score: 4, Interesting



    No one stopped sharing, they just switched to networks which are harder to monitor.

    People arent stupid, they know the RIAA is looking at Kazaa.

    Just as many people are on Kazaa, but if you think Kazaa is the best place to find music files you are wrong.

    Face it, no one is going to stop.

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    1. Re:No one by epiphani · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Also, its not like this 15% drop happened to co-inside with a lot of north american holidays (Canada Day, Independence Day) where people are probably shutting down their computers and going camping.

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  27. What we must remember about RIAA by djeaux · · Score: 4, Insightful
    They are NOT law enforcement. They are basically a private investigation outfit masquerading as an advocacy group for the "industry."

    If you know any private eyes, you know they lie, cheat, deceive, distort facts, whatever they need to do to get their work done. They are very often only two spits shy of being crooks themselves.

    So, it doesn't surprise me that RIAA takes stats from a holiday week, as has been pointed out already, to show that their threats & intimidation work.

    The big problem that I see is that RIAA has essentially unlimited resources -- all that money that could be paid in artists' royalties -- while Joe Blow P2Per in the dorm doesn't. It will be very interesting if RIAA ever gets an opponent in court who has some financial backing. Of course, that will have to wait until we have a Department of Justice and not a Department of "Just Us"...

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  28. STEAL!!! or the RIAA will do it for you. by HanzoSan · · Score: 4, Insightful



    Ok so you dont share files. hundreds of millions of people do, and hundreds of millions of people think its right.

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    1. Re:STEAL!!! or the RIAA will do it for you. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting



      uh, Hundreds of millions around the world use P2P, 40 million in the USA alone, this is more than who voted for President Bush.

      "I would bet that most of them do know that it is wrong, but they just choose to do it anyway."

      If they thought it was wrong, why in the polls do they all say its not wrong? why in interviews do they claim its not wrong?

    2. Re:STEAL!!! or the RIAA will do it for you. by ryanwright · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If 4 out of 5 people vote to steal the 5th person's money, that doesn't mean it is ok.

      And yet my taxes still increase every year thanks to idiots voting yes on various bonds...

      In other words, it's only OK if it's government backed.

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  29. It's part of a cycle... by EZmagz · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Assuming that the claim it TRUE and filesharing is actually down from last week, and it's solely because of the RIAA's threats, then it's only a matter of time before they go up again. Think of Napster. When it went belly-up, people stopped sharing for a few seconds until a better alternative came along...mainly Kazaa/Grokster/Morpheus. Then sharing resumed, bigger and better than ever!

    As one /.'er has already pointed out in a shameless plug for udpp2p (looks interesting, actually), the next step in p2p is straight-up anonymous filetransfers. It makes sesne, and it's inevitable...only a matter of time before someone codes up a decent client. And when that happens, you bet I'll be one of the first standing on their tiptoes, trying to see the RIAA's face and how they respond to that.

    Personally I haven't used p2p, especially for music, in a while. If I need to get my fix though, there's always alternative routes to getting what you want...hotline/IRC/FTP sites still exist and flourish. It may not be as easy, but beggars can't be choosers it seems.

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  30. Heres the REAL news. File sharing traffic goes UP! by HanzoSan · · Score: 4, Informative
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  31. There was an article on CNET about this... by km790816 · · Score: 4, Informative
    P2P's little secret

    Interesting quote from the head of Freenet:
    Ian Clarke, the project's inventor, said in an interview that the RIAA's recent legal actions and threats of additional lawsuits have heightened interest in Freenet. "The Freenet site has seen a threefold increase in Web traffic since the RIAA announcement," Clarke said. "We've received more donations to the project in the last week than we had in the past two months before that."
  32. Excellent point by s20451 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't think the Slashdot crowd has the same mentality toward legal issues involving the RIAA as normal users.

    The reason why slashdot users are passionate about things like the RIAA, the DMCA, etc. etc., than the average person is that the average person accepts the argument that sharing copyrighted files is wrong.

    Thus, while the average person will share files in an anonymous environment, he or she either feels guilty about sharing or otherwise doesn't feel strongly enough about it to cause trouble, and sees it as inevitable, and possibly right, that the sites will eventually be shut down.

    My advice to you is: if you want people to become passionate about IP issues, either convince them that sharing files is right and good, or that the commodified music of the RIAA is a far greater evil. Otherwise it's a hopeless task.

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    1. Re:Excellent point by Kwil · · Score: 3, Informative

      Here's another point.. ..everybody gets up in arms about calling it theft when it's not.

      If we want to be perfectly honest, let's stop calling it sharing -- it's not that either, it's distributing.

      If you want to get really picky, it's making available for distribution.

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  33. udpp2p by Srin+Tuar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The fundamental premise of udpp2p is broken.

    Spoofed source addresses do not beget security nor anonymity, especially now that ISP's are required to "cooperate". Properly configured routers will put a dead stop to the practice, and even without that its still trivial for a big organization to backtrace you.

    If you want real anonymity you need something called "plausible deniability" which you can get only from projects such as freenet.

    1. Re:udpp2p by dasmegabyte · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Agreed. Forget Udpp2p. Freenet's already here, it's bigger, it's faster, it's better...don't waste your time.

      Of course, Freenet's not the easiest thing in the world to use. It's getting better, but the high rate of key return failure is disheartening. Still, it's better than requesting a file on KaZaa, only to find out that the user isn't really trading.

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    2. Re:udpp2p by cantabrigian · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Also, ISPs could potentially use ingress filters to block spoofed addresses. It seems to me that there are two main requirements that an "anonymous" P2P filesharing system should meet: 1. Data should pass through the overlay network. If I can see addresses other than the addresses of my neighbors in the overlay (who are presumably my friends or at least people who trust me in real life), then I can systematically gather information about who is sharing what, which is unreasonable. It seems that Freenet is suited to this. 2. Users should be able to publish their own data on their own machines. Most users aren't so interested in publishing files that they care enough to push it to someone else's machine, and furthermore, if someone abuses the network it is a hassle to figure out who to cut off for overpublishing. 3. Performance should be reasonable. Perhaps we can use an approach like bittorrent or WASTE to exploit parallel downloads, which will probably be important if we are passing the data through the overlay. We may be able to use a path-vector algorithm (similar to BGP) to advertise a randomly-generated node ID through the network, and later on publish index files that associate parts of a file with the node ID. Not sure if this sort of approach is most efficient, but it's hard to think of what else we can do. The bottom line is that we have to avoid connections from nonneighbors, as it is this that compromises anonymity. We could look to projects like mixmaster/mixminion or onion routing for anonymity, but I don't think that they will provide us with the performance we need to keep users happy. Probably the best thing to do is just route data through your neighbors, but only reveal your identity to your neighbors -- and no one else.

    3. Re:udpp2p by caluml · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No, a properly configured router will only block packets that don't appear to come from that network. That still gives you a lot of addresses to chose from.

    4. Re:udpp2p by ReelOddeeo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      What if every packet of a file you received had to "bounce" through another node on a gnutella-like network?

      Okay, so you downloaded a file, but from where? Five thousand different nodes sent you parts of the file.

      Better yet, what if no file is actually ever sent, but randomish blocks of bits that must be XOR'ed together to reconstitute the file. This means that a file takes double or tripple the bandwidth to download. But which other node sending you a randomish block of bits was guilty of copyright infringements? Said differently, where did you download the file from? Can someone monitoring your traffic even know that you downloaded a file? Can we even make this work in the presence of someone running a packet sniffer. If each incomming packet indicates which "fileid" or "ssa checksum" it is part of, which block, and which XOR part.

      You've now eliminated the spoofed packets problem of getting blocked at firewalls. A downloaded file arrives as many UDP packets from thousands of different nodes. No single such packet contains any copyright material, just random bits.

      The node sending out the file has to send out two or three copies. Each block of the mp3 file is XOR'ed with a random number. The random number and the result XOR block are two blocks that must be XOR'ed back together to reconstitute the original block. Repeat this process on one of the two halfs, and you've now got three blocks, if you care to use three times the bandwidth to upload/download a file to ensure that no single block has copyright content.

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    5. Re:udpp2p by dissy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      > No, a properly configured router will only block packets that don't appear to
      > come from that network. That still gives you a lot of addresses to chose from.

      No. A properly configured router is connected to TWO networks, and will not allow traffic to pass either direction unless the source IP matches what it knows of the two networks.

      If your network is 192.168.1.0/24, and your source IP is not, it should drop it.
      If a packet attempts to get in to you and its source IP _is_ in that range, it should also drop it.

      Forging your IP will fail the first test.
      The second test is to prevent others from pretending to be hosts in your network to bypass IP based security rules.

    6. Re:udpp2p by Geekenstein · · Score: 3, Informative

      As a past and present freenet user, I have to disagree. The main problem with Freenet is that it relies so heavily on people who claim they will run permanent nodes. Far from the promise of consistent, anonymous storage, you're lucky if you can still retrieve all the pieces of a large file within a week of its publication. For small files or recently introduced files, you get pretty good results. Just don't expect to get anything relatively old. "Permanent" nodes come and go way too often, even with the admittedly very cool file correction protocol that reassembles missing pieces.

    7. Re:udpp2p by dasmegabyte · · Score: 2, Informative

      The latest version of freenet I downloaded doesn't even have an option for permanent nodes; i thought it got phased out for this very reason!

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  34. no recent change in stats by Arslan+ibn+Da'ud · · Score: 5, Informative

    Slyck keeps weekly stats on
    filesharing usage...here's the usage statistics today:

    FastTrack 3,525,734
    iMesh 1,175,244
    eDonkey 770,032
    Overnet 458,752
    MP2P 199,214

    These stats have actually remained fairly constant for a couple of
    weeks now. Back in May there was a lot of fluctuation on the EDonkey
    vs Overnet, and FastTrack was around 4.5M. I suppose it dropped
    because college students went home for the summer.

    At any rate, Slyck's stats have noted no increase or decrease in
    filesharing in the last two weeks. So the media hype (both ways)
    seems to be just that...hype.

    Move along; nothing to see here.

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  35. bzzzt by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    They just went to gnutella, edonkey, or what have you. Hell, with mldonkey you can do like six protocols at once. "Kazaa is being raided," they said, "so we're going to fuck off to some other network." Comcast just gave me a 1GB/mo giganews account so I'll have a nice place to get fills, I can pretty much just use USENET now even :P

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  36. Re:ok... by Politburo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Kazaa mostly applies to the ignorant public.

    Yup. And that's why it is targetted, just like Napster was. RIAA and others couldn't care about the 50,000 people trading on IRC, BT, and other services. They know that you are smart enough to come up with a new way to avoid them, even if it means a lot more work for you. They care about the 10 million that use Kazaa, a program that a monkey can have up and downloading within 1 minute.

  37. Or, by missing000 · · Score: 4, Funny

    If you want real anonymity you need something called "plausible deniability" which you can get only from projects such as freenet.

    Or, your neighbors un-protected wireless AP. You gotta love other peoples networks

    1. Re:Or, by jafac · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm down with OPN. (Other People's Networks).

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  38. Re:Maybe the drop in traffic is due to... by The+Master+Control+P · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like you're referring to those loads of garbage files that tend to come up, and usually A) are around 60 K long, B) contain your search term . every known file extension, and C) all come from the same host.

    For example, without filters, I can search for "Beethoven 9th symphony" and suddenly see 50 files ending in .mpeg, .avi, .exe, .ram, and with things like (must see!) on the end of the filename. I put 6 addresses in my blacklist and >99.9% of them are gone. It's literally just 5 or 6 people doing this.

    Of course, you might be talking about something else. If it's simply genuine mp3s with garbage in them, I simply preview my downloads while they're in progress.

    Anyway, that's my 2 bits and a byte.

  39. And In (still other) other news... by poptones · · Score: 2, Informative

    Traffic in all the "relevant" USENET groups is also noticeably up. According to this report some of the groups have tripled and quadrupled in traffic.

  40. ...and the rest... by darth_silliarse · · Score: 2, Funny

    So I guess that leaves the other 85% downloading pr0n safe then?

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  41. Playing with fear by GabrielF · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Millions of people are feeling entitled to steal music, and the music industry is terrified. They have good reason to be, CD sales are down significantly and piracy is absolutely rampant. My cousin just announced that she's stopped buying CDs, she burns her own, she's computer illiterate, not a geek at all, and their are probably millions like her. If a huge portion of the recording industry's customers stop buying CDs, how is the industry supposed to make money? People use filesharing apps like kazza because they are free and there is just about no risk of getting caught. Most people (probably including myself depending on the circumstances) will do something morally wrong for their own benefit if they have no fear of getting caught. What the RIAA is trying to do is save the music industry by making people afraid of filesharing. So far it seems to be working. A friend of mine is now terrified to use Kazaa, she's afraid of being sued. I know I'll be modded down for this, but I don't think the RIAA is doing something particularly terrible. They are simply trying to save the music industry. Personally I think they should approach the problem differently. They should seek legislation making music piracy a criminal offense, and they should promote easy to use and affordable alternatives like the iTunes music store. Instead they are inciting a massive backlash against the industry. I don't mean to be self-righteous. I pirate music too. But no matter how you justify it, if you are using a product that someone sells without paying for it, you are stealing it. The RIAA is being mean and hard-hearted, but they are simply doing their job and they aren't in the wrong.

  42. i was on vacation by jpu8086 · · Score: 2, Funny

    an open note to riaa:

    sorry to disappoint. i was on vacation. shutdown my kazaa shared folder. i am back now, you can expect the traffic to go back up.

    (ms. rosen: i am just kidding. pleazzz don't sue me.)

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  43. Only time will tell by UnknowingFool · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I remember that my statistics professor once said that statistical sampling is useless unless the sample size is large and randomized and the population is somewhat uniformly distributed. As others have pointed, the holiday weekend is an example of a nonrandomized, small sample set. Wait a few months to see if there has been any real changes.

    As for me, I've switched swapping methods to avoid detection. This means I have to come out of my mother's basement and swap CDs behind the local convenience store. :)

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  44. Correlation or causation? by Gogl · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Other possible explanations for the drop in filesharing:

    -- July 4th. Even geeks have lives.
    -- Summer. Same as above.
    -- Summer. Less college students, who tend to be heavy users.
    -- No notable "new" stuff, TV series generally aren't releasing new episodes to be downloaded over the summer.
    -- Simple statistical anomaly. 15% may sound like a lot, but if it's just a weeklong trend it doesn't mean much.

    And there are other possibilities too. Be creative, I'm sure you can think of some.

    Man, the world would benefit so much if somebody would just take out an ad during the Superbowl or something that would explain in simple terms the difference between correlation and causation. Except such an explanation is likely impossible. Oh well.

  45. Random distributions. by mfh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm going to hazard an obvious guess here.

    If you have a random subset within a larger set [p2p users in the USA], a randomly distributed decrease in the superset will correlate with a similar decrease in the subset.

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  46. Like the great blackout baby boom by big.ears · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This reminds me of the great NY Blackout Baby Boom. Legend has it, on a Monday, 9 months after the big 1965 blackout, a nurse in a hospital noticed a larger-than average number of births. The NYT picked up on this, and reported it. By Wednesday, births had fallen off. It was later shown that there was no real statistical increase, and the numbers may have reflected normal weekly fluctuation (probably because people like to schedule planned births at the beginning of the week. see snopes for more detail.

    One week fluctuations are pretty meaningless, especially when there is a huge confounding factor like the July 4 Holiday. But that doesn't mean the RIAA won't use it as evidence to coerce people.

  47. you're shitting me, right? by twitter · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Does iTunes really do it for you? If so, I'm happy really I am. But it will NEVER match the collection brought forth by Napster or any other file sharing network. Dan Peng's story pokes brilliant fun at the inadequacies and he got it published by the morons as a success story for the RIAA:

    Still, when I hear a timeless Beatles classic on the radio and then go home to look for it on Pressplay or ITunes and it isn't there, I tend to longingly eye the Kazaa icon that still sits on my desktop, beckoning me to return to piracy.

    Can't get a Beatles song? A song from one of the most mercilessly comercialized bands in all history is not on iTunes? iTunes must blow!

    No commercial company can measure up to the file sharing networks. They have lost the recordings, or just don't have money or resources to digitize them. The distributed effort of all music fans created a catalogue of all kinds of music you could never get in a store. That's what you get when you let music lovers share their stuff. Some of the newer music services are gettin good, but none match Napster yet. The comercial services don't stand a chance unless they figure out how to enlist the fans. It is this fundamental failure to make work available by the current "owners" that makes them obsolete, despite legal sucess beyond all reason. People will get around them sooner or later.

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    1. Re:you're shitting me, right? by JudgeFurious · · Score: 2, Informative

      twitter

      I'm sure that probably a lot of music hasn't made it to iTunes yet that people are looking for. How can it not be? The sheer volume of stuff people want is incredible and hopefully it will all (or at least mostly) make it on there.

      I think the thing to keep in mind is that yes, no commercial company can measure up to the file sharing networks RIGHT NOW but they're relatively new and have to take a much different approach to assembling their catalog than Napster and Kazaa did. The upside to this is that by doing it "by the book" they might be around 5 years from now and making a profit.

      How can something that isn't even finished yet be obsolete? Before you judge them to be completely devoid of merit let them run for a while and take into account what they have to go through to make this music available in this manner.

      iTunes probably works well for me because I'm not a big audiophile. I've got a lot of music by many peoples standards but my collection is probably tiny compared to many others. Much of the older stuff that I like (like the Beatles music) I already owned on CD's before Napster appeared so I don't feel a lot of need to go looking for it. Should I need it in the future though I'm sure it'll make it onboard.

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    2. Re:you're shitting me, right? by Doctor7 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Unfortunately it doesn't work that way. If a song requires conversion from anything other than a CD, or a film has to be capped in realtime from video rather than just ripped from DVD, you will be very lucky to find it. Just like the commercial labels, most P2P users would rather share this year's crap than something decent from ten years ago, because it's less work.

  48. I'm sorry by Roofus · · Score: 4, Funny

    That drop in traffic is my fault. I just got my first Mac and I'm still looking for a good p2p client! I hope to be online soon and get those traffic levels back to normal.

  49. sales? by carpe_noctem · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The question is, did CD sales increase in this timeframe too?

    Call me cynical, but I bet not.

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  50. they have learned and they know. by twitter · · Score: 3, Insightful
    If I worked for RIAA, I would use P2P activity as a leading indicator of future sales. Reduced P2P activity means the current products are not very popular. When will they learn?

    They know what gets traded on the networks and it terrifies them. The catalog is so much bigger than they could ever support at a physical store that the only way for them to survive is to eliminate the networks. They are obsolete, and will never wield the power of the "big hit" again. When people are free to share what they have and pick what they want, it turns out they have much broader tastes than any music mogul ever had.

    When you stand back and look at things, you might start to wonder what the purpose of the recording industry is. For decasdes it was more about promoting a small subset of all music over all others to drive sales. That's not so much a matter of promoting that one song as it about supressing all other songs. The heavy rotation play from broadcast stations never were anything more than an obnoxious advertisement. Music sharing networks cut that out and alowed music to be chosen on grounds of taste an merit, criteria the music industry abandoned decades ago.

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  51. Disinformation & Freedom by felonious · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why do we let an industry over state their loses, change our laws, restrict our freedoms with the products we own, and fuck us over all to keep an old system in place , of which, consumers have completely rejected and moved past?

    I can say it's our own fault for not fighting this or doing anything about it that allows it to continue. Tell me how is it possible that downloading files, copyrighted or not, and movies is frowned upon more than violent crimes? The guy who released the hulk movie on the net is going to do 3-6 years. That's more than first offenders get for violent crimes yet he's lumped in with them and he didn't hurt anyone's bottom line. Total and complete bullshit and we allow it to continue.

    All it takes is a grass roots effort to put an end to this. We give them the power and we can take it away. This is about money and only when we stop buying completely will they listen and take notice. Until then keep spending and supporting the entity that is out to make a point by suing you into a financial disaster and making all of your choices for you.
    As I stated in my previous post the RIAA seems to be trying out every angle available to stop filesharing. Guess what? It's not working nor will it. Disinformation seems to be a new tactic but I'm sure it'll work on the un-informed masses. In all actuality I bet a mojority of filesharers are under 18 so they aren't afraid of going to jail because they can't be charged as adults. Maybe the RIAA will sue them and their parents into poverty?

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  52. Dear CNN, repeat after me: by sn00ker · · Score: 3, Insightful
    A statistical blip is not a trend.
    Particularly when it occurs over the major holiday weekend for the world's largest population of 'net users.

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  53. Reverse by blunte · · Score: 4, Interesting
    And who's to say the reverse isn't the case?

    Could it be Nielsen doesn't have the best numbers?

    From their press release, I can't tell how they arrived at their numbers.

    I also wonder about their "unique visitor" term.

    It seems to me that file sharing admins would have a pretty good idea of the traffic on their networks.

    Hard to really know what's going on with so little information.

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    1. Re:Reverse by ReTay · · Score: 2, Informative

      At a guess they are not covering the correct networks? I have see one or two with high amounts of traffic.
      Of cource you could try
      www.earthstation5,com
      The RIAA can't find you and it is free.

    2. Re:Reverse by Daetrin · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Could it be Nielsen doesn't have the best numbers?

      So we have to decide between the opinion of those with less accurate information, and the opinion of those with a vested intrest in distorting the more accurate information which they have, not a great choice.

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  54. Wild Goose Chase? by Random+BedHead+Ed · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Here's an idea. If you've purchased any CDs recently and have the receipts, go ahead and Kazaa away. But only download songs from albums for which you can prove you had previously owned a copy.

    I wonder if the RIAA would continue with this activity if the first few people they targeted with $150,000 fines were downloading songs they already owned ...

  55. Re:Heres the REAL news. File sharing traffic goes by Lord_Slepnir · · Score: 4, Funny
    From that article: Weiss said the recording industry should lobby for special taxes on CD burners and Internet access

    Makes perfect sense to me. Since everyone who has an internet connection uses it to pirate music, we should all be forced to pay for this! Its not people out there use the internet for things like....oh, I don't know...shopping, or for information.

    If I'm going to be treated like a criminal (and I already am, seeing as how I buy CD-Rs for data backup and mixing my own albums from music I legally own), I'm going to at least act like a criminal. Hoist the Jolly Rogers, it's time to sail the IRCs! Yaaaarrrrrrr!

  56. Why RIAA & crew are idiots by azav · · Score: 3, Insightful

    First, in the late 80's or early 90's a record exec promises that CDs will be cheaper than tapes because they cost less to produce.

    Prices go up.

    Then MTV forgets that Music Television should play music on television.

    Next, Clearchannel starts the "McDonaldization of American Radio"

    Now, RIAA attacks their own customers.

    Result? Those of us that see this, really do love the music, FIND SOMETHING ELSE and rip internet radio streams to our heart's content, buy turntables and pay cash for Vinyl Records of the artists we like. We find new music, enjoy new artists, NO commercials and pay money that goes to the artists we like.

    And have big fat hard drives and data DVD burners.

    Less big music industry. More boat parties.

    And ProtonRadio.com

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  57. This is a classic example of using the Media by Evets · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is a classic example of using the Media as a marketing network. The RIAA gets Nielsen to say that the ratings have dropped and they send a press release to CNN in response to other sources which state otherwise. Had Nielsen said the ratings rose, we would have heard nothing more about this matter. If the reporter had actually done any work aside from making two or three phone calls and reading a press release, he would have reported cd sales increases/decreases over the same time period or maybe even suggested alternative reasons for the decrease. Instead of a complete report we have nothing more than a one sided commentary that is obviously self serving to the story's originator. It's quite absurd of an idea to think that a CNN reporter could not find an antagonistic opinion to present. There are more people to talk to about this stuff than a Kazaa backed lobbyist.

  58. Oh please... by AyeRoxor! · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Those of you who remember the warez scenes of the BBS's of yore will remember that sometimes a board was taken down in YOUR AREA CODE. Within actual driving miles of where you lived. How long did it take for elite sections to open back up? 6 months? 3? one? They always did. They always will. Same today.

    AyeRoxor [8i3]

  59. so being a democrat == thief by moogla · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The 2 party system must be abolished. Great. I can no longer take this child-minded bullshit.

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  60. It's my fault the sharing dropped by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 4, Funny

    Next weeks article:

    File sharing on p2p networks rises 15% despite RIAA threats; ShieldW0lf buys new hard drive; has more space to download; reconnects to network.

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  61. Lets not argue... by DrCarbonite · · Score: 2, Funny

    Dear RIAA, You have won. All of us misadjusted p2p users are no longer sharing mp3s of legitimate artists. Instead, we now trade songs of our children banging on pots and pans. Sincerely, Your Customers.

  62. �The Slashdot effect� by codexwriter · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "The Slashdot effect" is commonly mislabeled as a god level D-enial O-f S-ervice effect. * Where tens of thousands of computer nerds suddenly prompted to some new (read: recently rehashed) idea (and they are addicted to this constant stream of morsel sized data bites worse than any heroin victim) all try and access the data at once and bring sites to their knees, then cut off their heads and sacrifice the blood to Xanthon god of Bandwidth. In reality I propose the unsettling idea that the Slashdot effect is far more terrible... not merely a DOS attack it is in fact when tens of thousands of people suddenly lose the ability to think for themselves! They form a group consciousness (Like the Republi-Cons and the Demo-Crats, no individual thought just a mass consciousness, indeed who is to say these two variant and ever warring mind sets did not evolve from the same barren world? A concept I will explore in more depth another time) which always seems to say/write the same things ... Beowulf cluster it! "If ones cool 10 is 10 TIMES as cool oh yeah." Microsoft is Evil, Bill Gates is the incarnation of Evil. Linux is Good, Linux is the SOURCE OF ALL GOOD, the universes soul function is the evolution of Linux and hastening it is the Torvalds! a demi-deity! RIAA are scum! Even the artists hate them! They should all be subjected to the torture of 40 days, forced to walk across rock salt with the skin flayed from their naked feet and ... etc. They have no right to come after file sharers. They don't pay artists! They are hypocrites and even worse they employ STATISTICIANS! TIA (total information awareness) = END OF WORLD. It is against the constitution! Standard line referenced... "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."- Benjamin Franklin Most recently SCO are repugnant vile, scum licking litigators with no product to back their claim to existence! The US patent system is broken! And a few other things besides. Mostly (admittedly) the group think is if not always exactly on the mark, close. What disturbs me though, is the *commonality* in thought, the ever present repetition. Almost a reflection of politics, most people aren't motivated to vote (POST) but those few who do are really passionate and outspoken, and thus we develop wide ranging ideological schisms. Consequently I will address a SMALL number of thoughts that may run counter to SLASHDOT group think. I have erected PSYCHIC iron wall discipline to deal with the backlash... Number One. The RIAA. The RIAA might be scumbags, but every person who uses Kazaa to download their songs needs to stop pretending like they aren't committing a crime. They ARE. They know they are, or they should know they are. The idea that being able to listen to the song from your mp3 will inspire you to go buy the cd is a ludicrous smokescreen for most of the nerd-tech-geeks I have met. I can't even guess how many people I know with PC juke boxes filled with 20, 30, 40 gigabytes of mp3's or more, one mentioned 120 gigs. They don't BUY the cds- to do that would take the GNP of a third world nation. And if they do come across something they like, they'll burn it to a cd - with new cd players it isn't even necessary to convert from mp3 format, or they can get one of the memory laden mp3 players. Every year their capacity goes up and the price goes down... every year the incentive to get a cd fades a bit more. Does this make it right for the RIAA to go after a few unlucky bastards and make examples of them? Not really. But it's an old strategy to hang the skeletons of criminals at the gates of the city as a warning, and it can be quite effective. What I find remarkable (and I know you want to know it!) is that everyone derides the RIAA while at the same time slaking up the product they provide. At this point comp. tech in the sound field lets a hobbyist match a studio. Don't want to pay for your music? Then make your own, and download the works of independent artists. Don't insin

  63. We need an inherently encrypted network protocol by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Interesting
    That way, no one can tell what you're doing with any kind of connection. Optimally you wouldn't even send port numbers in the clear. You could still implement NAT and Masquerading by having the firewall able to simply broker communication between the client and server; Connection comes in, gets stopped at the firewall, the destination is read, including the type of data, and a key exchange is brokered between client and server with the firewall acting as middleman. The user could be informed every time such a transaction took place so they could turn away from brokers they did not trust, but of course if properly implented, brokering the conversation will not result in being able to sniff the connection anyway, only to see connection type details, so the particular contents will not be encrypted.

    I know you can use VPNs to get much of this functionality now, but it would be better for all concerned if all the traffic were encrypted and obfuscated, not just that of people with something to hide, or those who like to thumb their nose at authority.

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  64. Its not stealing, it's trespassing. by User+956 · · Score: 4, Informative

    One cannot *steal* software,movies or music. They are an infinitely reproducable thing. Otherwise, something like Kazaa would not really work.

    Seriously. No one calls "patent infringment" "patent, stealing", no one calls "trademark infringement" "trademark stealing".

    Copyright infringement isn't stealing either, though they can both be independently illegal. The difference here is that the copyright holder doesn't lose his rights. His exclusivity is infringed upon, but nothing is taken.

    If people are going to insist on analogizing it to something else, I would suggest TRESPASSING. If I put my foot in your yard, I've trespassed. But you still have your yard; you just aren't enjoying it exclusively.

    Anyone who calls copyright infringement "stealing" has an agenda, and shouldn't be trusted.

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  65. And in related news... by Bigby · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...individuals filed fewer tax forms to Accounting offices across the nation during the April 20th - 26th week.

    Of course the numbers are going to fall. Americans do enjoy 3 day traveling weekends.

  66. And in other news.... by L.+J.+Beauregard · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As filesharing traffic fell 15%, sales by the RIAA's members likewise rose 15%....

    Right?

    Did they?

    I mean I thought these eeeeevil file traders were responsible for all the woes of the music cartel^Windustry.

    Right?

    Is it?

    And now that all those eeeevil file traders have got their comeuppances, the music cartel^Windustry should be back in the black.

    Right?

    Shouldn't it?

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  67. What do you know, scare tactics work! by crashnbur · · Score: 2, Interesting
    But $150,000 per violation? What a joke!

    The biggest problem I currently have with suing individuals for copyright infringement is that the infringers are being charged a lot more than their individual infringements had been worth.

    No offense to anyone who thinks one infringer's damage may equate roughly to $150,000, but I don't think so. I think it would be difficult to prove that millions of dollars worth of infringements, spread out over tens of millions of infringers, would equate to even $100 from even the worst infringers.

    You can't put everyone's bill on the one guy you catch. That's like throwing in a couple of unsolved murders into a serial killer's list just to say the killer has been caught. That isn't justice.

  68. Exactly right, but wrong conclusion by tjstork · · Score: 2, Insightful


    The music industry is using the same exact argument that religious institutions make. They argue that society should give them special perks by saying that hurting those institutions is morally wrong.

    You don't need no stinking priest to find your god, and you don't need to stinking middle man recording executive to get a song.

    The greatest irony of our times it that the two most diametrically oppossed institutions in terms of ideal are completely the same after all. The religious nuts want the right to control information, and so does the recording industry. The RIAA and the 700 Club (or whatever he's onto now), are both the same thing, just in it for the power, add no value to anything, hamper the rights of users in order to stay in power, collecting a tax for delivering nothing. Both institutions are obsolete.

    Time to step up to the brave new world.

    Intellectual property doesn't matter because your ideas have been thought of or are obsolete.

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  69. Not all guesses are the same by A+nonymous+Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Creationist: My guess is valid because I say so and because My Book says so and because My Book was written thousands of years ago and nothing since is as good.

    Scientist: My guess is valid because of these reasons, this logic, this immense mesh of other reasons which all hang together by logic.

    Hmmmm .... that's a difficult choice ... now if you want to argue faith, go ahead, but don't argue logic based on a book full of contradictions written thousands of years ago.

  70. RIAA Headquarters Address by unclebrady · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Recording Industry Association of America
    1330 Connecticut Avenue, N.W., Suite 300
    Washington, D.C. 20036
    (202) 775-0101

    You know... Incase you want to stop over and say hi...

  71. Do not feed the Trolls!! by Pac · · Score: 2, Funny

    Sir, the trolls here are fed with a special, moderate, ration. Giving them knowledge makes them overexcited and hard handle. The staff thanks you for your cooperation.

  72. Re:Dinosaurs, dogma by mfrank · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Uh, Newton, Einstein, other big-name physicists thought that by figuring out the rules of nature, they were getting a glimpse of the face of God. Newton spent a lot more of his life arguing obscure religious arguments than he ever spent on physics and the theory of the calculus.

    Science assumes that the universe is governed by a set of rules, that these rules are the same everywhere, and that the rules don't change. If you (or anyone) can demonstrate that's not true, science will accept that and continue. Can't honestly say the same for religion.