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Apple Releases Soundtrack
An anonymous reader writes "Apple have released Soundtrack to retail. The application, which is similar to ACID and FruityLoops on the PC, allows composition of music from a library of over 4000 samples (approx 14GB of data) that can be used royalty-free. It also supports the AudioUnit framework (which has a new logo) and comes with 30 AUs bundled in the box. The application was previously only available bundled in Final Cut Pro 4 and will retail for $299/£249."
Well, MacWorld ain't what it used to be. Long live WWDC!
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If linux ever catches up in this dept I may very well never have to dual boot again. Sure wish they would but I don't see it happening. *shrug
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Yeah, royalty free until the RIAA uses the DMCA to arrest everyone that bought it.
Is Apple trying to kill off nearly all 3rd party development for their platform or are they trying to fill blanks where 3rd party developers aren't doing as well as Apple would like for them to do?
This app requires a G4/500 or G4/450 dual proc. Is it just me or does this seem like an awful lot to run this app?
I'm using Logic Audio on a G4/350 and it's quite capable of running all the Emagic plug-ins included with Soundtrack.
Has anyone looked at the EULA / licence on those samples yet? What prevents someone from just re-releasing the samples to the public for very little (cost of several DVDs).
I made a short film of my vacation in Rio and decided to use it to learn SoundTrack.
I am absolutely clueless about music, and what I composed to go with my movie is nowhere close to being a great work of art.
At the same time, the movie with music is a great deal more entertaining than the movie without, so I think it achieved its purpose. (I would do this now, but I can't do it from work).
The main problem I found with SoundTrack is that it seems severely weighted towards precussion and specific types of music (vaguely sad-sounding piano jazz, rock of various types), and the selection of loops outside of those categories is extremely limited. So I had literally thousands of precussion choices, about 10-20 of which would have done well with my film, but only three good horn selections, all of which I used, and one of which I used repeatedly. I really wanted to have some good horn selections that would blend together, but I didn't see anything like that.
I'd certainly pay good money for a few hundred horn loops I could use with the already extensive precussion. And I understand Soundtrack is really a version of an already existing sound system, but I don't know where to find the loops.
If I get a couple of replies asking for it, I will put the movie on the web and a link to the movie here, so you can see what a neophyte can do with SoundTrack after about a day or so of fooling with it.
This all being said, it would be nice to learn something of music theory. Can anyone recommend a good book, suitable for complete beginners?
If nothing else, SoundTrack is going to increase people's interest in music composition, which can't be a bad thing. I think it could also be used to provide a draft sound track which could then be worked on with a real composer. Timing issues are very difficult with SoundTrack since the tracks are generally of fixed lengths. You can loop them, but generally you can't reduce their length and get good results.
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Ok. Its a drum on the side panel. On the front from the left...a keyboard, then a cello. From the right we have a clarinet and then an electric guitar. What is that thing in the middle??
I got SoundTrack with FCP 4 the day before they were released. I have since spent more time making music than editing with Final Cut! I absolutely love SoundTrack. It is exactly what I have been looking for. I have never tried sound editing before and this program was as easy to learn as any I have ever used. I think it may help to understand the GUI of FCP, but everything is pretty self explanatory:
You have a timeline with multiple layers, and you have your stock music. Drag and drop. Much of the supplied music is looped, so increasing the time of a certain sound is as simple as dragging the edge of the sound. Also, there is a loop editor so you can make your own loops! The effects are really impressive too, everything is done on the fly, and I am really impressed with the quality of the output.
I am a complete beginner when it comes to sound editing, so I have never used stuff like Logic. I cannot compare SoundTrack to anything, so I cannot say if it is truly a "professional" app. I can say it is the best add on for FCP (for my needs) that I can possibly imagine. I finally have some audio to lay over my video tracks! Woohoo!
In addition, during this file transfer, Safari will not work. And everything else has ground to a halt. Even SimpleText is straining to keep up as I type this.
It's called TextEdit in OS X. Nice job otherwise, though.
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Maybe you have a bad hard-drive. Then again, since the info in your post is either sadly mis-reported or entirely made up to bash Macs, I'm not gonna take a guess.
Ever since Macs started using off-the-shelf PC parts they HW quality has been a little low =P
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This sounds like a generic troll, so I should ignore this, but in case it's not..
My iMac DV(G3/400) from fall of '99 can copy a 20 MB file in about 2-3 seconds, going from one partition to another. Moving to another folder on the same partition is instant. Safari doesn't halt, and iTunes 4 doesn't skip. SimpleText is an OS 8-9 program, not OS X, though you may be thinking of TextEdit. I did update to a 45GB 7200 rpm hard drive years ago, and now have 320MB memory, both being plenty for my home needs.
Reasons to choose Mac? It has less to do with hardware performance and more to do with reliability, user interface, and the whole user experience. While I'd like a newer faster Mac, I don't need one, let alone some high performance PC that acts up and is vulnerable to viruses and spyware.(like the Russian porn ads that keep popping up on my brother's Win98 machine) I find the general user interface of the various versions of Windows to be nonintuitive and unpleasant, IMHO, and can't wait to finish using them and get back to my Mac. I wouldn't mind trying to use Linux sometime, but I don't have any sort of spare computer around to try it on, and I've been slowly picking up a few Unix commands to use with OS X's Terminal.
I could go on, but that's enough for now.
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Actually, SimpleText is available in /Developer/Applications/Extras/SimpleText
"Civis Europaeus sum!"
SimpleText eh? So you fired up Classic to run an OS 9 program in X just to type /. posts.
I see you've upgraded the specs of the computer that is taking 20 minutes to copy a 20 meg file. Didn't it use to be an 8600 machine running system 7? Did you realise you were trolling specs that you knew nothing about when people pointed out to you that the 8600 is donkeys years old?
Seriously, can I have your address, phone number and other personal info so that I'll know to throw away your CV if you ever apply for a job. Just how do you fund your trolling obsession - you post the same thing in every Mac thread so you must spend a lot of time on the internet (I guess while you're waiting for that file to copy).
You obviously have some intelligence since you seem to be able to type and spell, although I suppose you could have had your minder type that out for you and teach you how to use cut and paste.
Oh, and the solution to your problem is simple - don't use a Mac. Losing you from the Mac user base would be like cutting loose a dead horse that's dragging behind a car.
yes ... and the About SimpleText box says:
"Sample code, demonstrates features of the Carbon High Level Toolbox"
why would anyone use SimpleText (a demonstration application) for 'work' as opposed to TextEdit? it seems more likely to me the the original FUDster was relying on his memory of OS 9 apps to bash OS 10.
I agree with you. I was just pointing out that it did exist... :)
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Soundtrack is part of FCP4. I do not know if they always intended to roll it out this way or what, but they had to make this for Final Cut Pro to jump to the next level. Releasing this on its own is nice for people not needing the full AV app (FCP4 is $$$$$). This also makes it really easy for users of Soundtrack to someday pick up FCP and know what's going on. From what i saw today, this could replace a few apps that people use right now. Yes, pro-tools is great and can be downloaded from them for free (lite version to run without hardware) but this incorporates a few other things.
No diss to Pro-Tools (even for their pokeyness with releasing an OS X version), but this does things that Pro-Tools is really not intended for (but often used for).
Kind of like people who use photoshop for EVERYTHING with computer graphics!
Anyone looking for a cheaper product to produce royalty free music should take a look at the Music series for Playstation (1 & 2). Music 3000 is the latest incarnation - it squeezes 64 channels of 48kHz sample playback out of the PS2 hardware.
After about three months of relentless Willy action I reckon I'm now as good as when I was 10.
I just think its funny how you have the exact same problems you used to on your G3.
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MacOS 7.6, 112mb RAM, 1.2gb HD. everything ran like a charm except photoshop. =P
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I suppose trolls don't have a life...
I'm a user of Acid Pro and FruityLoops (Big Pro Thingy From Hell edition). I've been thinking of moving my music production to the Apple for quite some time, but the only product I'd evaluated was ProTools. I hate it. I have a large mixing board and I do not want another one emulated on my computer.
Most of my stuff is either custom loop-based, where I create my own loops with my own synths and stuff, or percussive tracks with triggered one-shot samples. Acid with SoundForge and FruityLoops do everything I need in those instances, respectively.
The blurb says that the product "is similar to Acid and FruityLoops." This doesn't sound right to me; the two programs both produce music, but the similarity ends right there.
So, has anybody on this thread used all three products? And would you care to give an evaluation based on music creation merits?
There's so little difference between politics and jihad lately...
"Fruity Loops" is designed to work on sequences of looped music. That's it's main purpose and that's what it does best.
"Soundtrack" is designed to allow music authoring for movies. While this may include using looped sequences, it doesn't even come close to a fraction of the power of "Fruity Loops" when working on looping sequences.
"Fruity Loops" is an awesome program, as is "Soundtrack" I'm sure. They both do their job well. When it comes to comparing the two, I don't think either one falls into the other's category.
It's just not possible to do that level of real time sound morphing without a G4
It also supports the AudioUnit framework (which has a new logo) and comes with 30 AUs bundled in the box
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I didn't know you could sell Astronomical Units in a box !! damn, those Apple folks are good
or maybe I should consider buying reading glasses...
Music is the language of the heart, the sound of the soul. -Joe Satriani
Actualy, he was using an old troll, reformatted because the old one had been thoroughly shot to hell and forgot to actualy pay attention.
Why is it that the people who troll a mac thread are the laziest trolls to be found? I mean, this is a nice attempt at an update to an old troll post, but essentially the content is the same. This guy and the guy with the obsession with posting the pedophile-macuser stuff have absolutely zero creativity, imagination, or drive. Really, with SCO and the Dept. of Homeland Security out there spreading some serious, quality FUD, and this guy still thinks he can hang with this cut and paste job? FUD has never been more competitive than it is now: I give this troll two thumbs down.
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It's $250 US, but well worth it, IMHO.
I think it's very intuitive. Any program that I can use without having to crack open the manual or even go to the help pages counts as intuitive in my book. Frankly, it rocks. The interface is beautiful because it's so functional, not like in many cases (OSX finder debatably included), where it's functional despite its beauty.
It's great for live sets. I haven't done a long DJ set yet, but for short ones, it works great. The only thing I don't like is that if you overtax your proc too much, you'll start hearing clicks and/or noise. On a g3 iBook, it's not that hard to overtax your proc, especially if you're running Reason as a slave app.
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Most of the people who use this software are not interested in the actually compostions, but creating their own. So it is not like stealing because it is a source of sound, or a computerized instrument, which allows them to create their own music.