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Congress May Overturn FCC's Media Consolidation Plan

Spril writes "A congressional committee voted yesterday to prevent the FCC from allowing even more consolidation of the media industry. The original ruling was covered on Slashdot. The committee attached the pro-consumer proposal to a bill funding the Justice and State departments for 2004. But the Bush administration has threatened to veto the funding because they support ever-larger corporations owning ever-bigger chunks of the spectrum that theoretically belongs to the public. Clear Channel may need to cough up some more money for their lobbyists."

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  1. On this day, July 17th, 2003... by chrisgeleven · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...the United States of America Congress for approx. 1.257631919191918 seconds sided with consumers.

    1. Re:On this day, July 17th, 2003... by andrew_mike · · Score: 5, Funny

      ...the United States of America Congress for approx. 1.257631919191918 seconds sided with consumers.

      Yes, but, to the androids in Congress, that is an eternity.

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  2. Attached to the bill by perimorph · · Score: 5, Funny

    The committee attached the pro-consumer proposal to a bill funding the Justice and State departments for 2004.

    Finally, an attachment that might be safe to open!! *Proceeds to double-click in Outlook*

    1. Re:Attached to the bill by Mikey-San · · Score: 3, Funny

      Sadly, though, you just sent this message to everyone in your address book:


      To: [multiple recipients]
      From: perimorph

      Attachments: govtbill.pif

      Subject: Check this out

      perimorph! This is that game we were talking about. You'll be amazed, no lie.

      Check it out when you have the time!

      later, %N

      --End of message

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  3. What the fuck... by bsrokc73013 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's quite clear that President Bush (or I should say the White House)threatens to veto ANYTHING that even hints at anti-corporate behavior! It's quite clear that he feels his mandate is to serve the corporations rather than the consumer!! I keep the seeing this time after time after time since he was elected (or should I say appointed) President. Fuck him! I'm NOT voting for him in 2004 this time around!!!

    1. Re:What the fuck... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      i'm pretty evenly split on dem/rep issues.

      a few issues on both sides that i agree with, with a lot of issues "undecided/don't know"

      what i do know is the republicans push the idea of "smaller government"

      this is appealing in a way. i don't want a large overbearing government fucking with my life.

      but i think many pure unquestioning republicans don't understand is, I DON'T WANT LARGE OVERBEARING CORPORATIONS fucking with me either.

      the end result is the same. I, an individual, am made irrelevant.

      THAT is why i have so little faith....in either party.

    2. Re:What the fuck... by istewart · · Score: 4, Interesting

      At the very least, our government theoretically has some sort of accountability to the people. Corporations do not have this, as the stockholders will be happy as long as their shares pay out.

  4. I'm waiting for the day... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...when we need clearchannel licenses to operate radios. Similar to the UK's radio/tv tax, only done by the one company that rightfully controls the entire radio band and has the right to tax it. In socialism, the government takes away freedoms. In democracy, companies take away freedoms. In a mix (the US), companies take away freedoms with government mandate.

    1. Re:I'm waiting for the day... by FrangoAssado · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Companies don't take away freedoms, they persuade you to buy their product.

      Yes. But they also lobby congressmen to approve laws that take away your freedom to their advantage. And THAT's what he was taliking about.

    2. Re:I'm waiting for the day... by Istealmymusic · · Score: 3, Interesting
      How can the US be a mix
      I don't know how, but it happened. The great United States of America, whom I defend to the death your right to criticize; but not be ignorant; is indeed a mixed economy. Hints of socialism lurk within our history. See: FDR's New Deal, Social Security, etc. But what do I know about history.

      Not that thats a bad thing. Many historians believe pure capitalism and pure socialism is doomed for failure. I do too. A mixed economy is the only way to go. This is up for dispute, but I do not wish to discuss it.

      You say, quite ignorantly I might (or might not) add, "and a democracy (the US is a republic).". You are correct. The US has democratic qualities, as well as republican qualities. Our Democratic party once started out as the Democratic-Republican party, believe it or not. St. Earlier, it was the Anti-Federialists party.

      Following your unbased queries and uncontradictory statements, you begin to spout drivel.

      Companies don't take away freedoms, they persuade you to buy their product.
      They do both.
      If you don't like the deal they offer, you turn around and walk out.
      The most coherent sentence I've ever seen from a half Nelson. Just kidding, I'm just playing with you man.
      Only in the minds of regulators can a company monopolize an entire market.
      I can't parse this. Does "only in the minds" mean that such a thought can never materalize? I think not.
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    3. Re:I'm waiting for the day... by rsborg · · Score: 4, Insightful
      How can the US be a mix between a socialist society (which doesn't have a marketplace, because everything is provided and you don't need money), and a democracy (the US is a republic).

      You're so off-base it's not even funny. Comparing socialism and democracy is not legitimate, because socailism is an ECONOMIC system, and democracy is a POLITICAL system.
      The opposites of socialism maybe capitalism, or anarchy.
      Democracy on the other hand, can be contrasted with totalitarianism, or police state.

      For example, it's widely recognized that many European countries are socialist democracies.

      The US is somewhere between capitalism and socialism.. since we do regulate trade, and break up monopolies (sometimes), but don't have state-run companies (like in France, Germany, or China).

      Companies don't take away freedoms, they persuade you to buy their product. If you don't like the deal they offer, you turn around and walk out. Only in the minds of regulators can a company monopolize an entire market.

      Hmm... what would you call your local power company? Or how about Microsoft? They are monopolies, one is a regulated, natural monopoly, the other is not, and is coercive. (figuring out which one is which is left as an exercise to the reader). Both do exist thanx to the government, and are not going away anytime soon.

      Welcome to the not-so-free-as-you-think market.

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  5. Don't get too happy. by kid+zeus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Unfortunately, this challenge only applies to the increase in percentage of TV broadcast ownership. The change allowing cross-media ownership (so that ClearChannel, for example, can now own several radio stations plus TV stations plus newspapers) will not be challenged. Congressmen (mostly Republics, surprise, surprise) threatened to kill the entire bill if any changes in the cross-media section were pushed.

    Still, better than nothing I suppose. If this passes, Fox will have to go ahead and divest itself of the excess Television coverage they picked up that put them in violation of the cap.

  6. I almost forgot by KU_Fletch · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Defenders of the recent FCC ruling said that critics were exaggerating its impact and that networks had to get bigger to continue providing free broadcast television"

    You know, I had almost forgotten that you could get TV without cable or satellite. Silly luddites and their airwave TV.

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  7. Call me cynical, but... by Paladin144 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Is this congressional subcommittee merely playing populist politics because the veto is pretty much a foregone conclusion? I find it hard to believe these clowns are actually going to stand up to big business.

    Then again, I might just be a cynic at the ripe old age of 25.

  8. ahhhh.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "the Bush administration has threatened to veto the funding because they support ever-larger corporations owning ever-bigger chunks of the spectrum that theoretically belongs to the public"

    Now I remember why I read slashdot, for the non-biased even-handed reporting. Now when are we going to see a mention of Fritz Hollings' membership in the democratic party?

  9. Not a republican, dont agree with them, but... by Jad+LaFields · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But the Bush administration has threatened to veto the funding because they support ever-larger corporations owning ever-bigger chunks of the spectrum that theoretically belongs to the public

    Nice editorializing. Just tell us the story next time, okay?

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    1. Re:Not a republican, dont agree with them, but... by Paladin144 · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Nice editorializing. Just tell us the story next time, okay?

      Oh come on. This is the second post I've seen that bitches about that line, but it's not editorializing! It's the honest-to-God TRUTH! I noticed that neither of you tried to deny the veracity of the statement, just the way it which is was said. BTW, I don't see this as a Republican versus Democrat issue; both parties are corporate stooges. It's just that Republicans are often the most egregious offenders.

      I reckon you're just used to the way the media likes to frame the wholesale corporate hijacking of our airwaves, which are, (or "were") in theory, public-owned. The media, to say the least, likes to phrase it delicately, but why should that be surprising? This is all about media control, is it not? And you don't think Tom Brokaw is going to raise his fist in the air on TV and yell, "Power to the people!" and still have a job tomorrow, do you? The hierarchical structure and constricting cultural climate of corporate life negates this possibility without the need for enforcement. It's a clear danger to democracy, and it's spreading.

      Orwell was damn close, but he forgot about big business. The real danger is the unholy alliance between business and government. Once all the "voices" in society are all filtered through the government and big business, what room is there for the individual? Group-Think. Corporate-Speak. These are not just the fodder for a million Dilbert comics; it is the stupefying sound of the banality of evil.

  10. In the public interest by Alien+Being · · Score: 5, Informative

    Ralph Nader made some interesting observations about the proposed changes.

    1. Re:In the public interest by Homology · · Score: 4, Informative

      There is also foreign concerns about the US ownership concentrations. The highly respectable newspaper Le Monde diplomatique, has the following article United States: an unfree press describing the results of US ownership structure.

  11. That is not it, it is fundraising. by www.sorehands.com · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No, they will introduce a bill that will fail. But, it will only fail after the big business made large payoffs to their congress or senate scum.

    1. Re:That is not it, it is fundraising. by ADOT+Troll · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yesterday afternoon as I was driving home from the office, I heard Trent Lott talking about the proposed FCC rule on Public Radio Mississippi. Basically, he said he opposed the new rules because it would reduce the diversity of opinion in the media. It sounded almost exactly like a PIRC form letter.

      Needless to say, I was a bit amazed (omg wtf lol!). But regardless of what you (or I) think of him, Trent Lott is a seasoned politician. And the only way to become one of those is to listen to constituents.

      Maybe he's still atoning for that Strom Thurmond thing...

  12. I've pretty much ... by craenor · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Given up on Media anyway. Even the media organizations that you could once count on being neutral and just reporting the facts are lost to us now.

    If you trust anything reported by so called unbiased media sources, you are a fool. Times have changed, the news is all about ratings. Sensationalism, no matter the truth or consequences is the order of the day.

    And no, you can't trust the news from the internet either. Honestly, as a society, I am concerned about what we are going to do next. If we continue along this path, Time-Warner, Clear Channel and the rest might as well just start speaking for us.

    I'm certainly not against free speech...but I think more effort needs to be invested in keeping media conglomerates in check.

    1. Re:I've pretty much ... by cpeterso · · Score: 3, Insightful


      I used to think NPR was the cleanest news source and I've even donated money to them. However, every news source must serve its master. NPR receives huge donations from biotech companies like Archer Daniels Midland ("The nature of what's to come" and "Supermarket to the world"). How can I trust NPR to give "fair and balanced" reporting about subjects like genetically engineered foods when they are ADM's bitch?

      And then there was the whole fiasco about US Army psy-ops (i.e. propagandists) working as "interns" in NPR and CNN's news rooms.

      Ironically, I still listen to NPR because, even though they are influenced (like every other news source), I find their subjects and spin the most appealing. I guess you have to pick your poison. Though I have been reading the BBC and Guardian UK news lately..

    2. Re:I've pretty much ... by XorNand · · Score: 4, Insightful

      lol... I hope you aren't claiming that Noam Chomsky is balanced. I'm a raving liberal but Chomsky makes me look like Ann Coulter.

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    3. Re:I've pretty much ... by Nic-o-demus · · Score: 5, Informative
      William Safire, a columnist for the NYT, wrote an insightful editorial concerning congress' actions.
      Some quotes:
      But to everyone's amazement, the networks' power play was foiled. Representative Frank Wolf of Virginia urged his G.O.P. colleagues to vote their consciences, and an amendment to hold the cap on a huge conglomerate's ownership to 35 percent of the national TV audience was passed by a vote of 40 to 25.
      ...
      According to this week's Pew Research poll about the F.C.C. plan (to break the ownership barrier and permit media crossover), "By roughly 10 to one (70%-6%), those who have heard a lot about the rules change say its impact will be negative." Nearly half of those polled had heard about this issue, despite conflicted media coverage.

      This growing grass-roots grumbling against giantism is getting through to legislators ordinarily cowed by network-owned station managers or wowed by big-media campaign contributions. Unfortunately, the any-merger-goes F.C.C. chairman, Michael Powell, has derided objections to his diktat as "garbage," and the White House strategist Karl Rove dismisses the depth of voter resentment that Democrats will be able to exploit next year.
      In conclusion, Safire seems to think (and he's usually keen on such things from what I can tell) that this might turn into an election issue. Let's make sure it does.
      Eco-cons as well as libertarians may snicker, but Republican Representative Richard Burr of North Carolina observed that 26 independent NBC affiliates had recently exercised their right to refuse to telecast "Maxim's Hot 100." If independents are gobbled up with the F.C.C.'s blessing, more decisions affecting local mores will be made in Rockefeller Center. Is that what George Bush stands for?

      ...public opinion is on the march. Some in-house pollster should awaken President Bush to a bipartisan sleeper issue that could blindside him next year.
    4. Re:I've pretty much ... by zenyu · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you want to know all about how the New York Times went from being an unbiast paper, the "paper of record", to a liberal cheerleader...

      A liberal cheerleader? huh? I agree that they've gone from being stodgy and sometimes acceptable to sometimes sensationalist and completely bogus, but the only issues they are even remotely liberal on is when it comes to some minorities' civil rights. There is more liberal reporting in the Wall Street Journal and the Economist when it comes to anything else.

      If I had to peg the NYT ideology I'd say it's conservative upper middle class. That's not the same as right wing christian ideology but it's still conservative.

      Not that I care much about their ideology, the reporting has been so rotten over the last decade that it doesn't matter much. Except that it's still widely read since there is little else. (The Wash Post & the LA Times have been improving though, and the BBC website is marginaly acceptable for world news headlines.)

  13. Slant? by ThesQuid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Can we PLEASE get the "News for Nerds. Stuff that matters." with just straight reporting and not put editorial/opinion comments DIRECTLY in the lead? That's what the comments are for.

  14. Who Owns What by heli0 · · Score: 4, Informative

    "Media companies continue to grow, and a shrinking number of them shape what we view and read. What does that mean for journalists -- and for the nation?"
    Columbia Journalism Review's Web guide to what the major media companies own.

    Judging by how tiny the scroll bar becomes when I open the Clear Channel page, I would say they own most of radio while Viacom, NewsCorp and Disney own most of TV.

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  15. More about media consolidation... by pen · · Score: 3, Informative
    Media Consolidation, Media Mergers

    Changes by the FCC on June 2, 2003, to U.S. media ownership restrictions could result in a series of mergers that may impact television, radio, cable, newspapers and the Internet.
  16. Consumers? Oh Christ I thought we were Citizens by tjstork · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Silly me.

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  17. Strange bedfellows by djeaux · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Yesterday afternoon as I was driving home from the office, I heard Trent Lott talking about the proposed FCC rule on Public Radio Mississippi. Basically, he said he opposed the new rules because it would reduce the diversity of opinion in the media. It sounded almost exactly like a PIRC form letter.

    Needless to say, I was a bit, um, amazed. But regardless of what you (or I) think of him, Trent Lott is a seasoned politician. And the only way to become one of those is to listen to constituents.

    Maybe he's still atoning for that Strom Thurmond thing...

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  18. I'm not a techie. by Funksaw · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I hope this personal anecdote is telling: I'm a journalist. Or will be. Depends on how you look at it. I just got a full scholarship + hefty fellowship to attend grad school in Journalism at University of Texas at Austin. When I graduate, I plan to leave this country for Canada anyway. There are too few jobs in journalism here - even fewer after all those media consolidation mergers go through. Furthermore, most of the "journalism" nowadays is merely "news-entertainment" in the same way the professional wrestling is "sports-entertainment" Hopefully, I plan to move to another country where the laws are freer, the job market for journalism isn't controlled by a handful of major entertainment conglomerates... Although I might leave earlier if Bush is elected in 2004. There's so many scary things going on with Bush that I can't help but think history is repeating itself. Assuming some national emergency doesn't call off the elections in 2004, if Bush wins, I'm leaving that month. There's just no place in America for me. I mean it. I want to be able to live my life without constant fear of getting "dissapeared" by my government or without fear of getting sued left and right by corporations. To grant some perspective on this: I'm scared as hell for this country. Precicely because I know history, and I follow the news. -- Funksaw

  19. Either party? Try the others... by gantrep · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Join the Libertarian Party. They are more serious about smaller government than the republicans, and they are more serious about protecting our rights than the democrats.

  20. In case people are wondering. by brodin · · Score: 3, Funny

    The definition of struthious. It means ostrich-like for those who don't want to click.

  21. Quote from pro-FCC House member by Lelon · · Score: 5, Informative
    I read about this in the basement of the university radio station I DJ at. We're all watching very closely. Here is a quote from Rep. Billy Tauzin, R-La., chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee, who supports the changed media rules.
    "We have no intentions of taking up that bill," Tauzin spokesman Ken Johnson said. "This has become a political soap opera, and given the chance Chairman Tauzin intends to cancel its run."
    I'll admit I'm not an expert on House Committee rules, but this is a serious obstacle for this bill.

    What has really peaked my interest is that this bill not only seeks to undo the most recent FCC decision, but seeks to undo the radio deregulation of 1996, which has been great for ClearChannel but a disaster for the music industry. In my opinion it is directly responsible for the lack of quality most people see in today's music industry (and therfore the primary reason for the music industrys economic slump).
    Another amendment involving radio passed 12-11 and would expand the FCC's new, stricter radio ownership rules so they apply to stations a company already owns. If enacted, the change could force companies like Clear Channel, the country's largest radio chain with 1,200 stations, to sell stations in markets where they exceed ownership limits.

    "This is an attempt to single out one company for being successful and punish them for playing by the rules," said Andy Levin, a Clear Channel vice president. He predicted the measure will be defeated later.


  22. Try to mix and match by Paladin144 · · Score: 4, Informative
    I try to counteract the omnipresent corporate media (by not watching TV for one thing) by balancing out their spin with that of non-corporate media. I'm not sure if you are aware of Independent Media Center and AlterNet, but if not, you should definitely spend some time surfing their respective sites. Yes, they're on that internet thingy, but I'm pretty sure that paper does not have any special deception-repelling powers.

    Independent Media Center is amazing in it that anyone can submit a story. This is much more likely to be read on the local versions; there are dozens of locals Centers, spread around the globe. IndyMedia has proved to be an important organizing tool for progressive groups in third world countries.

    AlterNet, on the other hand, is more of a news analysis site, where the headlines of the day are tackled from different angles and where you can find information that the mainstream media "forgot" to report.

    The importance of sites like these is that they allow you to see a different side of an issue. In a world controlled by the right-wing corporate media machine, this can be seen as a very good thing©.

  23. MORE INFO ON A CLEAR CHANNEL SCANDAL by ADOT+Troll · · Score: 4, Interesting

    More info on a clear channel scandal regarding their traffic "reporting" can be found here.

  24. Isn't that the wrong choice...? by macshune · · Score: 4, Informative

    From what I can tell the libertarians promote laissez-faire capitalism, which just means "leave regulation up to the markets (lit. "leave it alone" in french, i think)." Since it seems the markets have free reign right now, isn't this what the libertarians want? With the current administration, the market gets to decide how much of something one particular corporation can own in any particular market.

    There is no easy solution to this. Personally, I'd just as well have communication companies be public trusts. Pulitzer was supposedly going to do this with his publishing empire before he died, but one of his heirs caught wind of it and made him change his mind.

  25. Own Your Own Station by ssafarik · · Score: 5, Interesting
    You can buy your own microradio FM transmitter from http://www.nrgkits.com for well under $200, and be on the air quickly. Play your favorite stream, your list of mp3's, be a local repeater for Al Jazeera, or whatever you please. The spectrum is owned by the public afterall.

    The FCC doesn't like it, but you can probably expect to be on the air at a couple of watts (1-2 mile range) for a year or more before they come knocking. Just choose your frequency carefully, and listen to neighboring stations for interference (which, BTW, almost never occurs).

    1. Re:Own Your Own Station by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      oh gawd no. the NRG kits suck horribly and have nasty spuirious emissions. as well as being a bitch to tune right without a $30,000.00US service monitor.

      www.northcountryradio.com their $150 ish kit has a limiter built in, a modulation meter so you can actually adjust it, AND they designed it so it can be aligned with a voltmeter, just like the old Marconi excitiers found in older radio stations.

      If you are going to get on the air, you need to spend $$$ if you want to be on for any decent amount of time . you need good feedline, antenna, transmitter, amplifier, and then process your audio... also put a $400.00 high speed 3 band limiter before the transmitter AND do some slight equilization.

      Next, dont act like a N00b and start spewing vomit like the other 90% of the "pirate idiots" make your station sound like a real station, play Ad's , PSA's, station ID every hour, etc...

      only complete morons fire up the transmitter and start the "F**Kin FCC I am King! You are listening to the F***Kin F**K S**T Shiznat Hoe smakin and house blowin' up king of da Radio! WORD!"

      Blend in, I know of one fake station her eth at has to be transmitting at 10 watts and has been on the air for over 5 years.... because they sound like they belong, but only play Indie music.

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  26. Partisan politics by gad_zuki! · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The FCC vote went along party lines. Please don't play the "You're playing partisan politics, bad dog!" line when we're dealing with partisan politics. Thanks.

    Text for those who don't want to click
    WASHINGTON (CBS.MW) -- In a bitter 3-2 vote, the Federal Communications Commission agreed Monday to allow broadcasters to buy more television stations and permit a company to own newspapers and TV channels in the same city.

    The move, which pitted the FCC's three Republicans against the two Democrats, casts aside decades-old government regulations and could spur more media industry mergers and acquisitions.
    I don't understand why there are so many Bush apologists from every camp, but I'd rather face facts that begin to pretend there are no differences between the two major parties regarding this issue.
  27. I don't give a f*ck. by io333 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is not a troll, just my honest feelings. I tuned out of all mass media almost 10 years ago. Every once in a while I accidentally see or hear a bit of it and can't believe that the garbage the megacorps churn out has become even worse than when I tuned out. What, like more consolidation will make it even sh*ttier, and that's why I should care? Hmmm.... That's a thought: Let them consolidate. Maybe consolidation will make them all go under sooner; hopefully there will be enough remnants of our culture left to help people learn to be creative *on their own* again.

    Once upon a time, folks finished out their evening singing around a piano or playing parolor games instead of stearing mindlessly into the hypnotizing blue light of the boob tube telling them what to think about and how to think about it.

    Take a walk around your neighborhood some night and look at all the houses around 10pm. Seriously, go do it. It's surreal. All you'll see is the eerie blue glow in each and every house. The living rooms without curtains drawn will let you see that every house is now filled with overweight listless expressionless creatures plopped down on overstuffed furniture with their mouths half open. It's like the aliens came down to earth and took over our minds with glowing blue mind control devices. BUT WE DID IT TO OURSELVES!

  28. democracy is not equivalent to capitalism by w4rma · · Score: 3, Insightful

    capitalism and socialism are opposite ends of an axis.
    democracy and dictatorship/monarchy are opposite ends of another axis.

    A state can be totalitarian and capitalist (fascism):

    "Fascism should more appropriately be called corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini

    "The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power." -- Franklin D. Roosevelt

    A state can be totalitarian and socialist (communism)
    A state can be democratic and capitalist.
    A state can be socalist and capitalist.
    A state can be anywhere inbetween the two axis. The U.S. has both capitalist policies and socialist policies.

    Here is a list of some of the socialist ones:
    socialized armed forces
    socialized water
    socialized police
    socialized fired department
    social(ized) security
    medicare
    road building/maintanance
    public waste and water treatment
    public schools

  29. please mod this up... by imaginate · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...It's dead on. last I heard, the US legislature was supposed to support its *citizens* regardless of how (or if) they spend money.

    We are not money-spending machines, and that is not our sole duty to our country - we are humans who live here, and this country is *our* country, as it says in our constitution...

    1. Re:please mod this up... by AstroDrabb · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The original Constitution layed down the fundamentals for this to be a possibility. Howver, we all know the outcome. Congress supports big business for those big kick backs. It took a war for us to gain our freedom and become a nation and establish the Constitution. I personally think it will take one or two more revolutionary wars for us to have this country to truly be for the people. Maybe every 200 - 300 years we as a people will have to take down our current government and rebuild it on principals of freedom.

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  30. Is the democracy in the USA dead? by Otis_INF · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Every time when I read articles such as these I wonder: why oh why do Democrats in the USA have such a hard time selling the truth to the public? I mean: the current Bush administration has piled misleading and disputable decision on decision, and the American public seems to feel it is all right. How come? Why aren't the Democrats using these obvious limitations on the freedoms of the American citizens to rally the public so they'll support the Democrats and elect a better government in place which will overturn such decisions like a concentration of media companies?

    You can come to two conclusions:
    1) The Democrats are also after the same money from these media companies as the Republicans are, which in fact makes the USA's democracy rather dead: there is no real choice for Joe Sixpack, the two parties which matter are NOT serving the interests of the people
    2) The Democrats are incapable of fighting Bush effectively. Which also makes the USA democracy rather dead, because the general public doesn't KNOW there is an alternative to 'Bush'. When Bush gets the concetration of media in place, and the holders of these media on his side (which seems to be the case) he controls EVERYTHING and the republicans can stay in power, well... forever.

    If the republican party would exist in The Netherlands, Europe, they would get at most 2 seats in the 150 seat parlement, roughly guessed. Not because we're all 'stinking liberals', but because we tolerate less a government that thinks of big $$$ first and the interest of the public second.

    (To the USA citizens: as a European I see you as a group of people who thought that a president who nailed his intern with cigars should be impeached and a president who started a very expensive war under false intelligence in a time where jobs dissapear very quickly should stay in his office and should stay popular. Think about that for a second.)

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  31. Because America's News is Strictly Filtered by FreeUser · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Every time when I read articles such as these I wonder: why oh why do Democrats in the USA have such a hard time selling the truth to the public? I mean: the current Bush administration has piled misleading and disputable decision on decision, and the American public seems to feel it is all right. How come? Why aren't the Democrats using these obvious limitations on the freedoms of the American citizens to rally the public so they'll support the Democrats and elect a better government in place which will overturn such decisions like a concentration of media companies?


    Because we don't get the news here.

    Seriously.

    Or, to be more precise, the main networks and popular media outlets have filtered the foreign and domestic news beyond all recognition.

    Why? Not because they harbor some pro-Bush bias (although clearly some, such as Fox news, do), but because they all compete in a market for viewership, and several factors coincide to make the media self censoring and self-slanting, including the desire to cozy up to the administration in order to get and maintain access to the white house (which the Bush administration exploits and enforces shamelessly and aggressively...witness seasoned reporters who have been in the whitehouse for 20 years or more being relegated to back seats behind neophytes for posing difficult questions in White House press conferences and subsequently being ignored by the press secretary/president/etc.) and the desire to maintain popularity with a public they perceive as supporting the president.

    The latter is an assumption that is quite possibly mistaken, if the conservatives I work with are any indication (most of whome are saying rather loudly that Bush has gone to far and things are spirallying out of control ... these being the same people who relish the opportunity to bash Hilary and slam President Clinton. In other words, Bush seems to be losing a fair chunk of moderate-to-conservative, but non-religious right, republicans).

    Back on topic, the news we get in the United States is NOTHING like the news you get overseas. Our information is so sanitized and slanted that you would probably not recognize the same events if you saw them reported here. This was driven home rather forcefully the other night when I was at my girlfriend's watching the BBC news on PBS at 10:00pm, and for the first time saw footage of injured soldiers and Iraqis, and heard first hand just what an appalling quagmire this administration's precipitious invasion has put us into. Contrasting that with Fox or CNN (modulo the editorializing there is little difference of late) is like night and day.

    So, while we aren't forbidden from getting foreign news sources per se (the Internet is available, after all, and the BBC is available once/day at 10:00PM), we are discouraged in that the BBC is shown at a time when it must compete against most of the local news broadcasts, on a station few bother to watch (more's the pity), and that virtually every mainstream press to which people have subscribed for the bulk of their lives is heavilly censored and sanitized ... and most people never realize it!

    It is incredibly discouraging to be an American at a time like this, when our country appears to be spiralling full steam into a state of plutocratic fascism, the FCC has gutted and destroyed our telecom industry, crippled our internet industry, and is hell bent on consolidating our remaining media into a few easilly-influenced mega-companies, perhaps even into a single monopoly. The freedom I grew up with has dissappeared bit by bit ever since the Reagan era in the 1980s, and while more people are becoming aware of it today, still there are too few of us, and too many who simply toe the party line or bury their head in the sand in a frenzy of misplaced national pride, and things continue to spiral downward and get worse.

    Perhaps this years record deficit of 450+ Billion dollars, beneath a Republican President and

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  32. Straight from an apparently sane congressman by rhadamanthus · · Score: 3, Informative
    "Information is to democracy what blood is to the body. I think we're in danger of shutting off the blood flow in our democracy."


    -- Rep. DAVID OBEY, D-Wis., sponsor of legislation on Capitol Hill to block a new FCC rule allowing media companies to buy more TV stations.


    Found that on Yahoo.


    --rhad

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