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FreeBSD Passes 9000 Ports

Dan writes "Kris Kennaway believes that the french/med port has the honour of being the 9000'th in the FreeBSD ports collection. Congratulations to everyone who has helped to make the Ports Collection such a success over the past 9 years!"

131 comments

  1. Let the troll celebrations begin! by discoinferno · · Score: 3, Funny

    Based on the lack of activity in this forum, I think that it is safe to say that BSD users have been driven out by the trolls.... or they are just too busy downloading all those ports to actually come and post here. ;-)

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  2. BSD Support by GeXX · · Score: 5, Funny

    Naa, we've already updated our Ports for this morning. Both Source & Programs.

    We are at work currentley making money, we don't have the luxory of summer vacation like the linux'ers.

  3. Re:Gentoo has 5000+ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Different reasons:
    - linux has a much larger developer/user base + gentoo is incredibly hyped
    - a lot of software is written for linux, sometimes it requires patches to make it work on BSD
    - 0-5000 is easier than 5000-10000, just try to find 10000 applications worth porting...
    - gentoo portage started on a moment that much more *nix software existed than when FreeBSD ports started

    And from what I've seen of portage, I have a strong impression that it's not always that well tested...

  4. Uh oh! by dasunt · · Score: 5, Funny

    [ BSDhead #1 ]: Did you hear? FreeBSD has 9000 ports now!

    [ BSDhead #2 ]: Crap! It is too popular! It has hit the mainstream!

    [ BSDhead #1 ]: That's what I was thinking - lets switch to OpenBSD

    1. Re:Uh oh! by Jonathan+the+Nerd · · Score: 3, Funny

      The sad part is that it's true. I used to be one of those people. I thought I was 31337 because I ran FreeBSD while the unwashed masses were running Linux. Luckily, I grew out of that phase. Now I know I'm 31337 because I run Gentoo! (Just kidding! Please don't beat me up!)

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      Disclaimer: The opinions expressed are not necessarily my own, as I've not yet had my medication today.
    2. Re:Uh oh! by Groganz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I like it for its quality and have no interest in switching to another OS for estoric geek value or whatever. I think most serious FreeBSD users are the same.

    3. Re:Uh oh! by amightywind · · Score: 5, Funny

      [ BSDHead #3] Theo is a nazi, NetBSD runs on too many machines. Lets start a fork!

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      an ill wind that blows no good
    4. Re:Uh oh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, given that Gentoo serves no real purpose in the OS space other than inflating its users' egos, I think you've probably found the perfect match. Its true, you get a real sense of accomplishment after installing the damn thing, because it doesn't have a real installer, and you have to leave it sitting their for half a day compiling in between some of the steps, so when, after following verbatim all of the steps in the installation guide, you're more likely to think you're a god than if you stick the Windows XP CD in your computer and click "OK" a couple times.

      But the very tediousness of the installation, and the fact that it is riddled with broken packages, not to mention its practice of leaving configuration updates sitting around in temp files for you to merge in manually (the alternative in Gentoo is to overwrite them altogether, which is also dumb...Debian figured out how to do this right years ago), make it utterly useless for any kind of institutional setting. On the other hand, as something to install on a personal machine to learn about Linux and Unix, its also near useless, since most of the real interesting bits of the procedure are automated, and so at best you learn a few things about partitioning the drive and typing in "magic shell commands" out of the instructions.

    5. Re:Uh oh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And none of those people are using Linux either. Maybe one in twenty are using a Mac.

      Face it, normal people do what Bill Gates tells them to do, and are happy to obey.

    6. Re:Uh oh! by TheBeardIsRed · · Score: 2, Funny

      [DarwinUser#1] If only those people using BSD knew how lame their operating system was, they'd never fork it. ;)

    7. Re:Uh oh! by Zork+the+Almighty · · Score: 1

      [ BSDhead #1 ]: Did you hear? FreeBSD has 9000 ports now!

      [ Linuxhead #1 ]: They're all open ?

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    8. Re:Uh oh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [ BSDhead #1 ]: Naw, I'm going to switch to GNU/Hurd. That'll never become too popular.

  5. Problems porting by SirGeek · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Not always. Sometimes porting is tough. Right now, I'm the "Non-Linux" release engineeer for Linux HA ( High Availablity Clustering) and I've tested it on FreeBSD 4.7 (going to to upgrade one box to 4.8 and another to 5.1 ) . The only problem is that the tool chain requires versions that are NOT the standard ported versions (Automake and autoconf if my memory serves me right).

    I want to get things working right so that I can release a Port version of Heartbeat but currently I cannot. Luckily it, by design, builds on FreeBSD and puts things into /usr/local/.../ and not /usr/... like on Linux.

    This may be a factor why things aren't quite right (different versions of Automake/Conf/lib) .

    1. Re:Problems porting by rainer_d · · Score: 4, Interesting
      The only problem is that the tool chain requires versions that are NOT the standard ported versions (Automake and autoconf if my memory serves me right).

      FreeBSD doesn't come with autoconf/make at all (and bsd-make instead of gmake).These are in the ports-tree and there are even different versions for the first two.
      I'm not a toolchain expert, but you might want to look into this.

      Also, one reason why autoconf/automake sometimes break on FreeBSD is the fact that people hard-code certain Linux-isms into their config-files that subsequently fall over when run under FreeBSD...

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      Windows 2000 - from the guys who brought us edlin
    2. Re:Problems porting by SirGeek · · Score: 1
      What I meant was that the version in the ports tree (at least when I checked last) were several versions old (compared to the current Linux RPM version).

      Having gone to FreeBSD.org and looked at the ports, it looks like they've updated them finally so that I'll be able to get the Linux-HA FreeBSD Port completed.

      As for Linux-isms, Not in our case. We've gone out of our way to ensure portability.

    3. Re:Problems porting by rainer_d · · Score: 4, Informative
      Having gone to FreeBSD.org and looked at the ports, it looks like they've updated them finally so that I'll be able to get the Linux-HA FreeBSD Port completed.

      You can also go to Freshports where you can get a nice view of the cvs-commits to the ports-tree.
      Have you tried contacting the maintainer for the relevant autoconf/automake port with your problems in the past ?

      cheers,
      Rainer

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      Windows 2000 - from the guys who brought us edlin
  6. Re:Cannot parse. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Learn how to read, dumbass.

  7. Re:Cannot parse. by acidtripp101 · · Score: 2, Informative

    No, what he's saying is that when freeBSD started (Man... I don't even know how long ago), there was less software to put into the port tree, so hitting that "5000+" mark in a year was nearly impossible.

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  8. Just another reason to love FreeBSD by blate · · Score: 5, Informative

    I've been a FreeBSD fan for several years now. Had I been smarter when I was younger, I would have been a fan even longer than that :)

    FreeBSD, IMHO, comes pretty darned close to Linux in terms of ease of install and, in many ways, exceeds it in ease of use. Configuration files are where you expect them to be. Utilities are named what you expect them to be named.

    And, to tie into this article, the ports collection provides a wealth of great software. There's no issue as to which flavor of Linux you have... if you're running FreeBSD, the port will generally work on your system, whether you compile it from sources or download the precompiled package from one of the ftp mirrors.

    Kudos to the FreeBSD team for all their hard work and for giving us such a stable, reliable, useful platform to develop and play on.

    1. Re:Just another reason to love FreeBSD by cyb97 · · Score: 1

      I guess you've been a FreeBSD for too many years now... All (living ones anyway) linux-distributions today use glib-2.x.x (of varying versions) apart from that there's not many showstoppers from allowing you to compile software for any distro from the same sourceball...
      Ie. there aren't any difference in the distros anymore, and hasn't been for quite some time...

    2. Re:Just another reason to love FreeBSD by DashEvil · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, and let me guess, you haven't tried to compile anything on RedHat 9.0 yet? :)

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      -If God wanted people to be better than me, he would have made them that way.
    3. Re:Just another reason to love FreeBSD by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 4, Insightful
      And, to tie into this article, the ports collection provides a wealth of great software. There's no issue as to which flavor of Linux you have

      FreeBSD is cool and all, but you could equally say "Debian apt is really great! there's no issue as to which CPU arch you're on, if you're running Debian, there will be packages for you".

      ie, don't overhype ports. Useful yes, something amazing that only FreeBSD has, no.

    4. Re:Just another reason to love FreeBSD by blate · · Score: 4, Informative

      You make a good point... apt and rpm do a nice job, perhaps as good or possibly better than ports.

      One place where ports has an advantage, however, IMHO, is that the "database" of available packages lives on your local filesystem... you don't have to go searching around the web for the package you want, and you don't need a GUI to fetch and install packages.

      Yes, I know, rpm and apt have command-line modes, but I'm not aware of a way to "browse" collections of these types of packages without a GUI. I'm usually more at home in a console window than a clunky, slow X app.

      I guess we're at the point of arguing matters of taste, which is usually fruitless. FreeBSD is a wonderful OS, as is Linux, but it doesn't get as much press. The ports collection is something the FreeBSD team can and should be proud of.

    5. Re:Just another reason to love FreeBSD by naelurec · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Please don't think RPM is even close to apt-get and ports. Nothing quite like trying to install an RPM that *SHOULD* work only to have it complain about tons of dependencies. I like the FreeBSD way much better as it will go fetch the required parts, compile & optmize and be done with it. :)

      The RPM based distros really should go to something like apt-get, ports or portage (gentoo)

    6. Re:Just another reason to love FreeBSD by arturogatti · · Score: 5, Informative

      "One place where ports has an advantage, however, IMHO, is that the "database" of available packages lives on your local filesystem... you don't have to go searching around the web for the package you want, and you don't need a GUI to fetch and install packages."

      With apt (assuming you've run "apt-get update" at least once since the system was installed, and thus have package lists to search) you don't need to go online to search the package database. You can use the "apt-cache search" command for this. Just type, for example, "apt-cache search alsa" to produce a list of all packages containing the word "alsa" in their names or descriptions.

    7. Re:Just another reason to love FreeBSD by Eraser_ · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The "...and be done with it" is what I like about FreeBSD. RedHat is a PITA to get software installed on, but we are forced to use it to get a service contract for this new whizbang filtering software we run for the school district.

      Oh, and rock on rc.conf!

    8. Re:Just another reason to love FreeBSD by Nothinman · · Score: 3, Informative

      There are several console apt front ends that let you browse, search, etc available packages. dselect, aptitude, synaptic, etc.

    9. Re:Just another reason to love FreeBSD by Nothinman · · Score: 1

      Install apt4rpm and setup a local package repository, no more dealing with dependencies unless you install something not in your repository and even then you could add that package and it's dependencies to your repository so that you only have to fight with it once.

    10. Re:Just another reason to love FreeBSD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but why fight it at all?

      what a waste. rpms are a pain in the butt. we switched a redhat rackshack box to gentoo remotely. because i hate redhat. gentoo works properly. i would have done bsd, but i dont know enough to make it work 100%. but gentoo fills the gap. gentoo just works properly. with optimizations and nicely built the way you want it without having to install half your daemons manually like rehdat.

      redhat is to linux as kfc is to chickens

    11. Re:Just another reason to love FreeBSD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've obviously never heard of URPMI. Do a bit of research before posting your smack-talk.

    12. Re:Just another reason to love FreeBSD by master0ne · · Score: 1

      the rpm based distros do have an rpm based apt-get, get it from rpmfind.net, search for apt :P

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    13. Re:Just another reason to love FreeBSD by Nothinman · · Score: 1

      Because RPM works just as good as any package format, RH even ships up2date with the boxes and you can use up2date to install things and it resolves dependencies for you.

      And I would never be so stupid as to dump RH for Gentoo on a work box. I use Debian on all my home machines but we use RH at work because our clients require software with support and packages that actually go through some form of QA process.

    14. Re:Just another reason to love FreeBSD by Read+Icculus · · Score: 1

      Mandrake has urpmi. Arguably just as good as apt-get. When I first tried out MDK back in the 7 or 8 days I ran into so many dependency problems I was going crazy, then I discovered urpmi and haven't seen a single dependency problem yet. The number of packages that are available for MDK are amazing compared to what I find for RH. "urpmi --auto-select --media update" will automatically upgrade all upgradeable packages from the update source you specify. "urpmi mplayer" will grab the mplayer rpm from my Penguin Liberation Front source and also grab all of the win32 codecs and crap I need for DVDs and other formats that aren't available in the stock mplayer MDK provides. I think it would be a great addition to the default RH install. Either that or apt-rpm. Default RH is just a pain compared to distros with nice package systems.

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    15. Re:Just another reason to love FreeBSD by Read+Icculus · · Score: 1

      Others have already mentioned the CLI tools for apt, plus for rpm if you're using Mandrake instead of RH you have urpmi which is arguably just as good as apt, and urpmq and urpmf to browse packages from the command line. Good ol CLI.

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      Anti-social? My code is just platform-specific.
    16. Re:Just another reason to love FreeBSD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uhm, off topic but... How did you switch the OS remotely? I have a rackshack box and would like to switch off of redhat. Could you point me to some FAQs/Howtos or something?

    17. Re:Just another reason to love FreeBSD by naelurec · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the info on urpmi .. sounds like a nice system. Does it also allow for things like recursive removal (ie I want to remove XFree86, can I specify a flag that will remove all RPMs that depend on XFree86 (ie kde, gnome, apps, etc..)) Definitely will be on my list of things to check out. :)

    18. Re:Just another reason to love FreeBSD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you!

    19. Re:Just another reason to love FreeBSD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      cd /usr/ports
      make search key="search_terms"

  9. almost 3 per day by 1nv4d3r · · Score: 4, Interesting

    9000 ports in 9 years is like 2.7 ports a day. That's pretty impressive.

    (not to equate quantity with quality, but still...)

    1. Re:almost 3 per day by satanami69 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Not to take away their thunder, but p5-Unicode-Lite 0.12 counts as a port, so an entire program may have 15 sub-ports. Still, I like it better than Gentoo.

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    2. Re:almost 3 per day by Pierre · · Score: 1

      We could build a pyramid at that rate

    3. Re:almost 3 per day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      + ports:
      -make is still better than python - a base system should not rely on anything else than shell and C (and, well, make). Thanks for removing perl back to ports in 5.
      -checks for dependencies before trying to uninstall
      -mergemaster kicks ass compared to etc-update

      + portage
      -USE Variables

      Maybe FreeBSD should add a single file, like /etc/with.conf, where all of those WITH_FOO=yes knobs are listed and which is sourced before each port is build.
      So portupgrade would respect those, too

    4. Re:almost 3 per day by m0rten · · Score: 5, Informative
      Maybe FreeBSD should add a single file, like /etc/with.conf, where all of those WITH_FOO=yes knobs are listed and which is sourced before each port is build. So portupgrade would respect those, too


      You do know that portupgrade reads the /usr/local/etc/pkgtools.conf file when upgrading, reinstalling, etc ports? This is a excellent place to put your WITH_* knobs. There's even a few examples in the file to get you going..

      Also, I believe they can be put in /etc/make.conf, but then they will be global and will be used for all ports!
    5. Re:almost 3 per day by junics · · Score: 3, Informative

      And accelerating :)
      (Gnu)plot of growth

    6. Re:almost 3 per day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can use construction like:
      .if ${.CURDIR:N*/ports/mail/mutt} == ""
      WITH_SLANG=yes
      .endif
      to make it not global :)

    7. Re:almost 3 per day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I use make.conf myself, yes.

    8. Re:almost 3 per day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ho hum. Whatever.

  10. awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    congrats!

    I've learned to appreciate both the version stability and back-patching done by Red Hat, and the wonderful selection of customizable ports offered by FreeBSD.

    However since Red Hat seems to be abandoning the small end of the market, little by little, I find myself recommending and using FreeBSD for most folks, unless they need to admin themselves (red hat is a little easier for those folks).

    Now somebody please just get a port for Berkeley's new XML database in there, and we'll be set! :-)

    1. Re:awesome by Istealmymusic · · Score: 1
      "I recommend" is basically a euphemism for "I highly am pleased with". I thought everyone knew that.

      Nothing wrong with saying "I recommend FreeBSD". This statement of fact uses a timeless tense, spreading across the spectrum of time endlessly. It does not refer to a particular instance, or even imply that one exists. It does not suggest that I have ever even recommended FreeBSD; merely that if I was asked for a recommendation, that I would recommend it.

      "I recommend" is more like one's political beliefs than a recount of history or what was has done in the past. You should try using this idiom sometime; you'll get suprising results.

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      "The lesson to be learned is not to take the comments on slashdot too literally." --Vinnie Falco, BearShare
  11. wow 9000 ports! by fluor2 · · Score: 4, Funny

    thats,
    port #1: port 22 ssh
    port #2: port 21 ftp
    port #1: port 80 http ..
    uh

    1. Re:wow 9000 ports! by mjuszczak · · Score: 1

      Huh?

    2. Re:wow 9000 ports! by DeltaSigma · · Score: 2, Informative

      Ports for the TCP/IP protocol. When programs talk to each other, they do so for ports. So when your browser communicates with a web server they go between your address and the server address on port 80 (usually). This is how you prevent network programs from being run on your network. Say you wish to stop kazaa, you close off the ports kazaa can use to communicate. Thus kazaa can't request information from kazaa servers, and servers can't establish a connection to the kazaa client to send it information.

    3. Re:wow 9000 ports! by mjuszczak · · Score: 1

      With all due respect, I understand ports. I just didn't understand the joke ;-).

  12. compaq triflex ide controller by jcgf · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm a linux user that has recently given freebsd a try. I must say that I prefer it over linux. The only thing keeping me from switching full time is the lack of support for the triflex ide controller in my laptop (armada 7400). Linux just got it in 2.4.21 (maybe before in some patch somewhere).
    If anyone knows of a driver in development any help would be greatly appreciated.

    Jared

    1. Re:compaq triflex ide controller by Istealmymusic · · Score: 1
      You might want to contact Soren Schmidt; he is currently developing the ATA driver last time I checked. His website is freebsd.dk, this is an excerpt of the relevant text:
      I'm currently the author and maintainer of the FreeBSD ATA driver (disk, cdrom, DVD, ZIP, LS120 etc).

      I also wrote the Linux emulator, the FreeBSD console driver syscons and libvgl graphics lib, plus various other bits and pieces, most of which I have handed over to new maintainers to concentrate on the ATA driver.

      The latest patches/enhancements to the ATA driver can be found here A list over supported CDR / CDRW drives (burncd + ATA driver) is here If you have ATA/ATAPI/IDE hardware that is not supported, please contact me at sos@FreeBSD.dk

      I remember one day, long ago, upgrading my FreeBSD system and noticing the hard disk names changed from /dev/wd to /dev/ad (for ATA disk). I'm pretty sure SOS was responsible for that; today, I'm using a RAID subsystem (/dev/ar0) with a CD burner supported by the ATA driver. (/dev/acd). Very cool. I'm sure I'm not the only one that appreciates his work.

      Definitely get in touch with Soren, I'm sure he would be able to help. There may be licensing issues in porting the Linux driver; though. Probably best to write it from scratch (as is sadly common with BSD and GPL software today.)

      Good luck...

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      "The lesson to be learned is not to take the comments on slashdot too literally." --Vinnie Falco, BearShare
  13. Congradulations Team by kiwirob · · Score: 4, Interesting

    FreeBSD is dead, long live FreeBSD!!!! I've been using FreeBSD as my desktop for the last few years. It hasn't always been easy but it has been enjoyable. Since I started as a FreeBSD user the system has just got better and better. Big thanks to everybody involved in making this milestone possible. Here's looking forwards to the 10,000th port!!1

  14. NetBSD surpasses 9000 ports: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ported to 9000 CPU architectures ;-)

  15. Sweet! by neafevoc · · Score: 4, Funny

    I better get started!

    cd /usr/ports && make install clean ...

    1. Re:Sweet! by mjuszczak · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Dont forget to cvsup.... hehe If you really wanna have fun ... Install 4.0-RELEASE ... cd /usr/ports && make install clean && cvsup && portupgrade -ra .... see you next year. /me loves freebsd ... it does it all for you. Okay and what the heck is with these linux lovers? BSD is rock solid. I can't even crash the system if I wanted to (I've tried) ...

    2. Re:Sweet! by Istealmymusic · · Score: 1
      I can crash my system with Alt-Enter in X. Apparantly this is a "key sequence" to cause X to switch video modes; to an invalid mode in this case. After I do this, I have to use Ctrl-Alt-Bang to terminate X, and my console window is heavily dimmed, and X won't start again. So I have to reboot. I think we can say that I have crashed FreeBSD, since its GUI is now useless.

      Note: I've done all this as a normal user. I'd like to configure FreeBSD's X to not recognize the Alt-Enter keystroke in any case. How?

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    3. Re:Sweet! by Elendur · · Score: 1

      Why not just remove all the invalid modes from your XF86Config file?

    4. Re:Sweet! by Istealmymusic · · Score: 1

      If I did that I'd have to restart X, which I must avoid. Restarting is for Windows users.

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  16. Re:Reiser4 Troll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm guessing the lack of ReiserFS in FreeBSD is due to licensing issues (ReiserFS is GPL'd, and therefore can't be included in the FreeBSD kernel).

  17. Re:Reiser4 Troll by vesamies · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Are you forgetting UFS2. Of course, it's not the most innovative system around, but surely BSD filesystem development exists. I think UFS2 was integrated to FreeBSD a year or two ago? About, NetBSD's LFS, you are correct, it's not for production use. I don't know if anyone is working to get it stabilized, there has been some interest...

  18. Re:big trouble with ports by beefdart · · Score: 2, Informative

    hrmmm... > man cvsup ?? Maybe thats just too complicated...

  19. How well maintained? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    One of the things I like about OpenBSD is that they actually remove crusty, unmaintained, or otherwise useless ports. I'm curious as to how well pruned the FreeBSD ports tree happens to be... Anyone?

  20. off topic and wrong. by master0ne · · Score: 1

    first of all, kazaa can use any port to communicate on, including port 80, so unless your willing to block all net access, even to browsers, you cant stop kazaa, second your way off topic from the freebsd ports that were talking about. thanks for shopping at /. please come again.

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    1. Re:off topic and wrong. by Istealmymusic · · Score: 1
      By the way, it is illegal to steal copyrighted material through file sharing. It's the law.

      Alright, its illegal to steal copyrighted material through file-sharing. How do you suggest I steal copyrighted material?
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    2. Re:off topic and wrong. by Lost+Engineer · · Score: 1

      The old fashioned way: a modded X-Box.

  21. How do you imagine they got the 9k number? by RLiegh · · Score: 1

    Does the phrase: "Crusty, unmaintained, or otherwise useless" ring any bells?

    1. Re:How do you imagine they got the 9k number? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Does the phrase: "Crusty, unmaintained, or otherwise useless" ring any bells?

      Everytime I look at you, my love.

  22. Re:Useless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not a very good example of PHK going over the edge. After all, he's responding to the rather infamous Theo deRaadt

  23. Re:Reiser4 Troll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It could if they wanted to include it. But the ratio of interest among the knowledgeable and skill developers to the amount of interest by the mouth breathing power-user crowd is quite low.

  24. who cares by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    for real servers use real software:

    Microsoft Windows 98 4.10.1998
    Clean install using Full OEM
    Uptime: 0:05:39:37

    rock solid. tried and true. bsd is dead.

  25. If only it was 9000 WORKING ports by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    Not a BSD bash, or a ports manager bash, as they all do great work..

    Its just irritating when I keep running up to a port that just wont cooperate... Or one that doesnt have a cooresponding package, for low resource machines..

    Again, its not a bash.. I love BSD and all the good parts of it... But nothing is perfect :)

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  26. Death is not pretty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It hurts 'n' stuff.

  27. *BSD are you alive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    *prods the body* halllloooo ??!!
    Where have you gone *BSD? No one home. sob.

  28. Followup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is an interesting follow-up thread in the Nero-Online BSD Tech Center's message boards. Check it out.

  29. Too much of a good thing? by segment · · Score: 1

    I've been using Free for years as well as Open and Linux, and one thing I want to point out without sounding trollish is that FreeBSD, and certain distributions of Linux (right now using Slack9) have become extremely bloated.

    When I order my Free cd's I never get passed using only one cd, and I know there has to be others who've done (and are doing) the same.

    I originally switched from Mac (System 7.0) to Windows, then to Linux, then to BSD (Open) because at the time it was lightweight. Enough to accomplish whatever I wanted to do without having to wait for $X amount of uneccessary 's/garbage/binaries/g' to load.

    After recently tinkering with an older machine I have here (PII 233) I decided to whip out Free and install it to tinker with it as a bastion host or something similar. However, after installing Free (4.1 at that) the machine was super slow (mind you it has 512mb of RAM), and I felt as if Free and Linux (which did the same after I fdisk'd BSD to try Slack on the machine), have simply gone the route of the `other` bloatware bandit known as XP.