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Mitch Bainwol To Succeed Hilary Rosen As RIAA Head

bmarklein writes "The RIAA has announced that it has named Mitch Bainwol, former chief of staff to U.S. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, as chairman & CEO. He replaces Hilary Rosen, who left earlier this month. This confirms the speculation that the RIAA would appoint a well-connected Republican (Rosen was a Democrat)." Several readers have submitted links to CNET's coverage as well. Update: 07/29 12:30 GMT by J : Lobbyists wield incredible power nowadays, and Slate's report on why was enlightening. Here's part 1 and part 2. Includes lyrics to the rap recorded for Rosen's going-away party by some of the most powerful people in the world: "Who wants the job of Hilary Rosen? / How 'bout the dream team of Bono and Tauzin?"

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  1. Hey by Surak · · Score: 5, Funny

    U.S. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist

    Is this a Frist Psot?

    1. Re:Hey by commodoresloat · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'm too lazy to find it, but my favorite first post was someone who posted to the topic "What would happen if 99% of computers on the internet were destroyed?" The first poster wrote "Easy... that's 99% fewer computers to beat me to the first post!" It was funny, on topic, and it was the first post. But it still got modded troll....

    2. Re:Hey by sirinek · · Score: 3, Informative

      This was a loooong time ago, but there was a story posted about someone, I think it was an Apple higher-up, and the first post was that guy and his post of simply "Yup."

      (Im too lazy to look it up too)

  2. Walking the walk by swordgeek · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well, being a republican at least means that you folks in the US are less likely to have to foot the bill for his jackboots.

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  3. Political wars by BWJones · · Score: 4, Funny

    This confirms the speculation that the RIAA would appoint a well-connected Republican (Rosen was a Democrat)."

    Well, I suppose from this wording there will not be any political flame wars generated from this.... :-)

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  4. Former? by momerath2003 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Former Chief of Staff? Why did Bainwol get fired from / leave his previous position?

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    1. Re:Former? by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 4, Funny
      Why did Bainwol get fired from / leave his previous position?

      He was just carried along by the angular momentum of the congressional/lobbyist revolving door.

    2. Re:Former? by Alton_Brown · · Score: 2, Informative

      To the best of my knowledge, he left to go to the more profitable private sector. He was chief of staff for Frist for a short period of time before being chosen as executive director of the National Republican Senatorial Campaign. Later he served as chief of staff for the Republican National Committee. With his experience, contacts and an MBA he saw an opportunity to form his own consulting firm, the Bainwol Group. From there he took the RIAA job. I can almost guarantee you he never made anything close to $1 million a year in any government job. Successful government folks leave all the time to take advantage of their momentum. Ari Fleischer recently did a similar thing to start his own firm. There's not always an evil subplot (though there might be) ;)

    3. Re:Former? by darnok · · Score: 2, Funny

      "I'll just confirm that with Chief of Staff BAINWOL"

      "Look out, here comes BAINWOL"

      I'll hazard a guess that having all your underlings laugh whenever they hear your name would tend to undermine your authority somewhat...

      Is this a real name, or something made up? He's not so much an enigma as an abbreviation:
      Bastards
      Allied
      In
      Neutering
      Wo rd
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  5. frick! er frist er... by johnny0101 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This RIAA appt. is blatant politicking. I bet if ;) the democrats regain control, they will replace Bainwol with a Rosen clone. Sigh... I am a Republican but on this issue they are pissing me off...

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    1. Re:frick! er frist er... by Scarblac · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sigh... I am a Republican but on this issue they are pissing me off...

      Funny how Americans say "I am a Republican" while a Dutchman would say "I voted VVD last election"... Did you get some sort of label when you were born? :-)

      Seriously, it seems like people in the US pretty much always vote what they always voted, simply because that's the camp they feel they belong to... Nothing's ever going to change that way.

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  6. Tattoo by Ryan+Stortz · · Score: 4, Funny

    Damn, now I need to get that "Death to Hillary" tattoo removed.

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    1. Re:Tattoo by greysky · · Score: 5, Funny

      You'd probably be best to keep it for when "the other Hillary" runs for the White House in 2008.

    2. Re:Tattoo by Oz_mjk · · Score: 2, Funny

      What if Hillary wins? I for one welcome our new robot master... oh wait what the fuck am I saying?? I say viva le death to hillary

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  7. So... by zifty · · Score: 5, Funny
    We're replacing a liberal die-hard conservative with a republican die-hard conservative to head a company whose conservatism rivals Dubbya's lack of intelligence.

    I think I'll have a good cry.

  8. Bad thing by hamtux6 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    It's possible this may be modded down, but...

    You know this is a bad thing. He's a right-wing Republican; the GOP is pro-rich, pro-big corporations, and pro-personal interest.

    Expect even more tyranny from the RIAA.

    I shudder at this prospect... not that the old person was good, though...

    1. Re:Bad thing by greysky · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Both parties are pro-rich. Otherwise, Lieberman wouldn't be in the pocket of Arthur Anderson, Daschle wouldn't be in the pocket of the airline industry, etc.

      Personally, I'm not going to let who the RIAA appoints as their CEO dictate who I vote for in '04.

    2. Re:Bad thing by kaltkalt · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, this issue is not about republican/democrat rich/poor. It is about paying off congresspeople to act on an issue that "the american people" do not care about. Well, to that extent it is about money, but only the RIAA's money. Ever notice how every evil copyright bill that gets passed is sponsored by one republican and one democrat? I explained why this is on another post on another thread, and I'm too lazy to go find it (but of course it was +5 insightful hehe). Fucking over the american media consumer, much like getting rid of kiddie porn, is an issue with complete bi-partisan support. It could be worse - both parties could be trying to out-do each other and show who is "really" tougher on IP pirate-theives.

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    3. Re:Bad thing by Grieveq · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "He's a right-wing Republican; the GOP is pro-rich, pro-big corporations, and pro-personal interest."

      I'm guessing before today's story, you've never heard of this guy. I haven't either so don't feel bad. Sure we all know Frist, but he is hardly a galvinizing conservative icon.

      Of course...your second line shows your true colors. Pro-rich, pro-big corporations, blah blah. Same 'ole line from the liberals. Who paints who with broad brush strokes?

      Maybe you should give him a chance, before damning him. At least bother to learn a little bit about the person instead of spewing liberal talking points.

    4. Re:Bad thing by d34thm0nk3y · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And why in the hell would that be bad, per se? Which party is continually barking about less government control over your life? About more freedom, about you keeping your own damn money and deciding how the hell you want to spend it? About freedom of speech?

      umm...from what I have seen, neither.

    5. Re:Bad thing by TopShelf · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Pro-rich" is such an idiotic term anyway. Heck, even Deng Xiao Ping said "to become rich is glorious," thus setting the path towards China's move away from a command economy.

      Would you really want a candidate who's pro-poor??? "What we need in this county is more poverty!"

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  9. Riiiiight... by bersl2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "What could be more rewarding than helping to promote two great American traditions: music and property rights?" Bainwol said in a statement.

    Who said property rights was a great American tradition? And rewarding for whom? Certainly not for us.

    1. Re:Riiiiight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      is you kidding?

      property rights almost DEFINE America!

      But of course I wonder what the hell does that have to do with Copyrights and music.. copyright takes the concept of property right and flips it upside down.

      I can just imagine if the RIAA was around in the early days of America:

      RIAA exec: Hi there Farmer Joe, I'd like to talk to you about potential copyright infringements, specifically your Friday-night get-togethers where you sing unlicensed performances of Little Brown Jug.

      Farmer: Git off mah property, monkey-suit boy! I bought that there sheet music fair an' square!

      RIAA exec: I'm sorry, but I'm afraid you only purchased the rights to perform it in the presence of yourself and one optional family member. Inviting the neighborhood over to "sing along" constitutes an infringment of the our rights.

      Farmer: What the hell are you talkin' about! I BOUGHT that there sheet music, that there sheet music is mine, same as the door you're a-standin' in, and the gun I'm a-gettin right now to blast a hole in your flabby gut.

      RIAA exec: Now now Farmer Joe, that's not how copyrights work, the rights to perform the song still belong to us. Now, we can settle this matter if you pay us $15,000, and we promise not to take away your house.

      Farmer: You're an ijit. *BLAM* *BLAM*

    2. Re:Riiiiight... by Dr.+Bent · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Who said property rights was a great American tradition?

      Oh nobody...just the FIFTH AMENDMENT!

      "No person shall...be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law"

      The original vision the founders had for property rights (including the original 14+14 copyright), is what made the American middle class possible. So they're very rewarding, for you and everyone else. If you don't have personal property rights, you have no incentive to work because the fruits of your labor can be taken from you at the whim of the government.

      Now music...that's a whole other story...

    3. Re:Riiiiight... by Monkelectric · · Score: 2, Funny
      property rights almost DEFINE America!

      Tell that to the indians ... or I will, when I'm done gambling

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    4. Re:Riiiiight... by BrainInAJar · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Canada has no constitutional right to property.

      We almost did, but then we punted the conservatives out, and Treudeau took great pains to 1) ensure that we don't become an oligarchy (by not entrenching property rights), and 2) piss off the American president at the time (just for sh**s and giggles)

  10. will you people calm down... by irving47 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    He hasn't even DONE anything yet.

    Hit me.

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    1. Re:will you people calm down... by Alien+Being · · Score: 5, Funny

      Didn't he try to buy uranium from Nigeria?

    2. Re:will you people calm down... by ramzak2k · · Score: 5, Funny

      He hasn't even DONE anything yet.

      And we are just practicing.

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  11. Wait a second... by jeffkjo1 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Bainwol said in a statement. "What could be more rewarding than helping to promote two great American traditions: music and property rights?"

    Damnit... And all along I thought it was baseball and barbeques.

    1. Re:Wait a second... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Bainwol said in a statement. "What could be more rewarding than helping to promote two great American traditions: music and property rights?"

      He really meant exploitation of artists and monopolies.

    2. Re:Wait a second... by commodoresloat · · Score: 3, Funny
      And all along I thought it was baseball and barbeques.

      You misspelled "beer."

  12. Re:It figures. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As opposed to the previous administration who signed into law the DMCA and had the most pro-censorship bored housewives club (Tipper Gore) - not to mention Censorship Joe Lieberman himself. Also note who the media companies are cozying up to. Hint: it ain't the Republicans.

  13. Now I know who to vote for. by supz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm not a member or supporter of either major political party, but now I guess I should vote democrat, during this upcoming presidential election. That way maybe partisan politics will work to a benefit, and a democrat president will shoot down whatever laws the RIAA lobbyists try to create.

    (Now that I mentioned politics, I'm readying for flame)

    1. Re:Now I know who to vote for. by johnny0101 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      no flames, but the DCMA was signed into law under Clinton. The only thing voting democrat will do in the next election is get Bainwol replaced with a democrat. Both parties like money... corporations are happy to give them truckloads of it in return for special attention

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    2. Re:Now I know who to vote for. by Wellspring · · Score: 4, Interesting
      A Democrat signed the DMCA. Hilary Rosen was a democrat. Both parties actually agree on alot... of course we don't hear that in the news because the stuff that there is consensus on isn't newsworthy. On this stuff there's mostly apathy, salted with consensus.

      The reality is that so far I haven't seen a very convincing defense of music piracy. That isn't to say I wouldn't be receptive to one (I am) but most of them boil down to a general denial of property rights or good reasons why the artist/label/retailer would benefit if they decided to allow copying. If I haven't heard a satisfactory defense (and I'm looking) it's no surprise that people with more important things to worry about haven't, either.

      Fair use provisions in copyright law, shorter lifetimes for copyrights, etc. are all very noble, and well-advocated. But that's different from justifying the sharing of music recordings, when the copyright holder doesn't want this. The tactics used by the RIAA are objectionable-- but again that's a question of means not ends.

      So ultimately, lawmakers who have much bigger things to worry about (like war and the economy) see the following facts:

      1. The internet allows people to easily record and trade music.
      2. Nearly everyone is doing this, therefore getting music for free.
      3. The trade group representing the copyright holders for this music are up in arms.
      4. Some computer advocates object to certain technical provisions in the existing legislation, like fair use clarifications.
      5. Large numbers of people want music trading to be legal.

      To be honest, I may not like the RIAA, but I can see the problem. Unless there is a good reason why a copyright holder doesn't have to the right to limit copying of his work (hence copyright), then I might limit some of the more odious enforcement provisions, but I can't see why they shouldn't be allowed to protect their rights.

      Again, I'm receptive to such an argument. I do think that we're foolishly crushing fair use rights. I also think that copyrights (and while we're at it, patents) should be returned to their founding-father era lifespans. And criminalizing a good percentage of the public is a little silly, too. But that isn't the same as removing copyrights entirely.

      The music industry (and especially artists) would greatly benefit from circulating free but low-bitrate versions of their music to drive CD and concert sales-- I think that they're shooting their profits in the foot by not embracing the technology (they're already streaming low-bitrate audio wirelessly anyway, aren't they?-- and to great effect). But they have the right to shoot their profits in the foot if that's what they want to do.

      Instead of modding me down, post a reply telling me why forcing a copyright holder to allow free sharing of his work is good public policy. I want to believe, I just haven't heard a satisfactory argument yet.
    3. Re:Now I know who to vote for. by heli0 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "and a democrat president will shoot down whatever laws the RIAA lobbyists try to create."

      I hate to disappoint you but Hollywood(MPAA/RIAA) is one of the primary contributors to the Democratic party, the other two being trial lawyers and labor unions. Have you already forgot who signed the DMCA into law?

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    4. Re:Now I know who to vote for. by MourningBlade · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The reality is that so far I haven't seen a very convincing defense of music piracy.

      I'm not going to take a stab at this, but I'd like to hear what you think about a few points. Who knows, maybe it'll clear up the debate a little bit.

      Let's say that distribution of pro-abortion material was deemed offensive in your district. Further, it was deemed obscene. Now let's say that people really do feel that way, and it's not just an attempt to squelch free speech.

      If you were to distribute informational pamphlets that discussed abortion in a positive light, you would be committing an illegal act. Furthermore, you would be distributing (or attempting to distribute) these pamphlets to people who truly found them offensive.

      Would you be right in doing it, even if it's illegal?

      Sorry that I used "abortion" but I'm in the buckle of the bible belt, and we run into those questions down here.

      How does this relate to "music piracy"? Because it serves to illustrate several assumptions:

      • That the onus is upon you to comply with restrictions of speech.
      • That restrictions can be made upon that speech just because people consider it to be "right." (or wrong)

      The trick is how copyright works. Consider for a moment what copyright means. It is not property. It can be bought and sold, but it is not quite property. It is a government granted, sanctioned, and enforced monopoly granted for a limited time. It is literally taking out phrases, ideas, and images from our freedom of speech.

      Is that wrong? Well, I'd be hard pressed to say that was wrong, because we do have the sense that someone who makes something owns it, whether draftsman or craftsman. But at the same time, for freedom of speech to exist we shouldn't have to worry so much about what we say.

      Also, consider what freedom of speech is: it's a description of a lack of controls upon an interaction. Copyright is intrinsically an interaction between two people when its value is assessed.

      A work of art can be enjoyed solely by its creator without copyright coming in to play, much as land can be enjoyed only by its owner without needing someone else to desire that land.

      So, copyright is a restriction upon speech and a restriction upon interaction, and it is granted for a limited time.

      If that is true --- that copyright is a restriction, not a restriction in the sense of "two people cannot both own 100% of something" like land or material items, but a restriction in the sense that "I can own what you say" --- then perhaps the onus is not upon we the public to justify our use of something so much as it is upon the copyright holder to justify our lack of "permission" to use it.

      Why do I mention this? You ask for a justification for "piracy." I think that's a bit turned around on its head.

      When copyright was set out in America (note that I can only speak for America), most of the argument boiled down to "alright, we'll put up with this abomination, but only for a short while, and only if it benefits us" because copyright was not viewed as a "right."

      Maybe it should be. I don't know. But regardless, if you're going to argue about the current copyright system, you need to consider upon whom the responsibility for justification is. Much of the law comes from discovering upon whom obligation for justification lies.

      Most of the good arguments I've heard against music trading is that it dilutes the value of their property[1]. Does that hold up? Well, that's an argument for the statisticians.

      These are just some things to consider. I'd like to hear anything you have to say concerning the subject. Please note that I am not "for" music piracy. Not really sure how I feel about it. I just would like to see a clearer discussion.

      [1] - Please don't make the mistake of saying "it's bad because it's against the law." I've heard that a few times, and it's useless because when you're talking about right and wrong it makes little sense to discuss the factuality of the law. The premise behind the law, sure. But not the factuality.

    5. Re:Now I know who to vote for. by Polymath+Crowbane · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Unfortunately, most of what passes for logic and reason on /. when it comes to this issue is whining and lack of responsibility, something endemic to Gen X and Y. Consider the following:

      I need money. You offer me money in exchange for my television. I sign a contract giving you the television in exchange for money. Later, my neighbor, who has been coming to visit me to watch my television, is outraged that I gave it to you. Since he's been watching it at my house, he goes to your house and demands to watch it there. You say no. Since you're denying him his right to watch television, he breaks into your house and watches the television whenever he wants. If you ask him to leave, you're obviously a greedy SOB. Sound familiar?

      I don't care for the current state of IP law in this country. However, it is the law. As a citizen, I have the responsibility to obey it or change it by peaceful means. Those who suggest my desire to listen to whatever music I want to for free requires civil disobedience to free us from government tyranny do a great disservice to those who have used, and continue to use, civil disobedience to accomplish noble and worthy goals.

      Here's the way it is, folks: the musicians who sign away their rights for a bowl of lentil stew do so voluntarily. No one put a gun to their heads and forced them to do so. No one put a gun to their heads and forced them to become musicians. They chose to make music and they chose to market it in a certain manner. Now, they have to live with the consequences of those decisions. This is called being an adult.

      How do I deal with the RIAA? Simple: I don't buy CDs I feel are not worth the cost. Neither do I steal the music via P2P. If it's on EMusic, I download it legally. If it's on the radio, I listen to it legally. If it's available at a used CD store, I buy it legally.

      The latter is important, since the right to do so was established in a court of law after a challenge by the RIAA. No matter your feelings about the current legal system, it's the best we have at the moment. With time, and the proper case, sanity will prevail.

      In the meantime, have the courage to act on your principles, not your appetites. If you object to paying outrageous prices for junk music, don't pay; but don't steal it. Instead, do the principled thing: listen to music that's offered to you on your terms. Better yet, learn to make music yourself...they can't take that away from you.

    6. Re:Now I know who to vote for. by femto · · Score: 3, Interesting
      It's not about music. It's about the bigger picture.

      The world is moving towards an era of exceedingly low barriers to manufacturing and distribution. (See previous story on peer-to-peer manufacturing.) Incumbents are selfishly seeking to impose artificial barriers, such as claiming property rights over ideas and information.

      We will have an opportunity to abolish resource shortages and largely solve material needs. The alternative is people dying from disease and starvation due to artificial barriers, such as intellectual 'property rights', preventing them from receiving things such as drugs and food. These things will be affordable if artificial barriers, such as intellectual property', are removed. (It is is okay to charge competitive prices for materials, labour and other scarce resources.) Okay you may argue R&D needs to be recouped, but as simulations become more accurate R&D costs will plummet, rendering such arguments moot.

    7. Re:Now I know who to vote for. by MourningBlade · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Three things mar what would be an otherwise great justification of the practice here.

      Errrm...but I really wasn't trying to justify it, just set up portions of a discussion. Either way, looks like someone does want to have the discussion, so maybe we can clear some things up.

      there is a difference between distributing materials on the street[...see above post for rest...]

      That does tend to block off the "moral crusader" route, which is probably the route you should take if you want to see the law repealed.

      Perhaps, though, the distribution on the street and the distribution at the computer methods do differ.

      Thinking this through: what is it about the computer that makes it to where people feel free about distributing files? It's not anonymity for the most part, as many traders set up nicknames or handles for themselves, establishing pseudonymity. Often they tend to like talking to one another and talking about what they like and don't like, and what's cool and what's not. ShareReactor is a good example of that. Most of the hugely successful communities either offer 1) incredible selection, or 2) a chatting community that leads people to "cool stuff."

      Most tend to succeed at the latter, if they succeed at all. Note that this does not have to be intrinsic to the network, it can grow up around the network (BitTorrent, for example).

      Well, you can get that from doing it on the street, too.

      On the other hand, what's the likelyhood of you just plopping your butt down on the sidewalk and finding some psychadelic trance fans who have some nice tracks that they want you to check out for no reason at all but because they're cool.

      Pretty low, unless you're at a trance convention, and then you're likely to run into marketroids and others who try to work the marketing system.

      Also, on the street unless everyone has laptops or something along those lines and headphones and a way to connect, people aren't going to be able to listen as they trade and chat. LAN parties tend to be that way, but they aren't the sidewalk.

      Come to think of it, LAN parties are very, very much like the P2P systems in some respects: lots of files swapped across, lots of stuff shown, listening while you trade, going off and doing other stuff, etc.

      Most likely on the street you're going to have to give people tapes or CDs, and then you look like a radio station or a promoter.

      So maybe there is something different between the examples. One is what the community is, and one is purely a protest, and probably wouldn't win any sympathies.

      Maybe we should advertise the fact that at our next LAN party we will have files available to trade? Even that doesn't sound like the community. Hmmm...can you think of a way to do what the community is like and also have it be very public and "moral crusade"?

      When in the culture of file trading, it often becomes very difficult to say that it's wrong. Most of the time, it's not people in dark trenchcoats saying "I got what'chu need, ese", it's more of "check this shit out, man! You liked that track by Infected Mushroom, right? Well, check out Trance Cowboy. Here's my collection, check a few of them out, they're righteous."

      Has more in common with people sitting around with discmans and headphones swapping CDs.

      But of course, they're not "swapping CDs" they are duplicating them. There isn't any burning need for them to buy the album so they can get that music. Maybe when we're in the culture it just *seems* right without *being* right.

      Just something to consider. I'd like to hear your thoughts on that.

      They explicitly stated the reasons: in order to promote further development and creativity.

      But at the same time, most don't feel that that is the case, nor do they feel that the justification fits the extension. That means that the "justification" is a bit shaky, if not wrong.

      Example: you and I are friends, and we both love The Simpsons. I

  14. Re:protecting property by fidget42 · · Score: 5, Funny

    /me sits back and waits for people to start making fun of his name.....

    You mean simething like: "Can you imagine a Bainwol cluster of these?"

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  15. Email? by wmspringer · · Score: 2, Funny

    So, is everyone going to email him and congratulate him on his new job? I'm sure he'd love to hear what slashdotters think he should do first..

  16. Time to flee to Canada? by HermanAB · · Score: 4, Funny

    Well, in the time honoured tradition, repressed citizens of the freedom loving USA, can still flee to Canada. Maybe, just maybe, claiming persecution by the evil RIAA, will get you refugee status.

    If anything, it will probably get the Vietnam vets and slave traders to spin in their graves at 45rpm...

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    1. Re:Time to flee to Canada? by Txiasaeia · · Score: 2, Funny
      ... repressed citizens of the freedom loving USA, can still flee to Canada. Maybe, just maybe, claiming persecution by the evil RIAA, will get you refugee status...

      Forget that. I think we're going to go with the time honoured American tradition of overreacting and turn you guys away at the border.

      HOWEVER, if you come bearing A&W Sparkling Vanilla Cream Soda, I will greet you at the border myself.

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  17. More rewarding.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
    What could be more rewarding than helping to promote two great American traditions: music and property rights?" Bainwol said in a statement.

    What would be more rewarding that promoting music and property rights? Hmmmm tough one there.

    How about the immense joy, convenience and satisfaction associated with obtaining music online? Heck, how about masturbation for that matter.

  18. Influence abounds... by speedfreak_5 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Although Bainwol has little experience inside the music industry, he brings deep connections to the Republican Party, something the RIAA has largely lacked under Rosen's leadership."

    Hmm. Pre-paid senators...
    Already I see there's gonna be some problems with this. Mainly the RIAA getting laws that people know aren't kosher passed. And possibly a little too much influence on some issues...

    And before I forget:
    "What could be more rewarding than helping to promote two great American traditions: music and property rights?"

    When the F**K did property rights become a "great american tradition"?!?

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    1. Re:Influence abounds... by heli0 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "When the F**K did property rights become a "great american tradition"?!?"

      Ever since the Bill Of Rights. Ever read Amendments 3, 4, and 5? All pertain to private property rights.

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  19. Big deal by mcc · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The Worm That Eternally Devours Its Own Flesh has shed its skin and now has a new one. Big fucking deal. It's still the same worm. It's still evil, and it still wants to consume all that lives.

    The only difference I can see this concievably making is that now the constant anti-RIAA snipes on slashdot will no longer be occationally seen to contain unhelpful sexist comments, now that the RIAA has a spokesman and not a spokeswoman. Other than that I do not imagine the quantity or nature of slashdot RIAA posts, nor the actions of the RIAA, will change one bit.

  20. who's paying who? by spamchang · · Score: 4, Interesting

    aren't the democrats traditionally the ones who get big bucks from the entertainment industry? they had an almightily funded effort to ease off the MPAA ratings debate a while ago, and it was democrats getting their pockets padded. i'm pretty angry to see the republicans getting in with the recording industry, firstly because i vote republican, and secondly because i don't agree with the RIAA. all politicians are starting to suck. (i thought frist was a nice guy in person. hopefully this is not indicative of his true nature.)

  21. Armageddon by arvindn · · Score: 3, Funny

    I can't help getting the feeling that as the inevitable ganging together of the forces of evil accelerates, armageddon can't be far off.

  22. Republican in the RIAA? by teamhasnoi · · Score: 4, Funny

    Thank God I'm not sharing Midnight Oil or I could end up being 'liberated' in the head.

    *knock, knock*

    Hold on a sec....

    Hey! What the..?! *PFhhT*

    *thunk*

    I FULLY SUPPORRT OUR NEW REPUBLIC KAN OVERLOARDS!!

  23. In other news . . . by vegetablespork · · Score: 2, Funny

    . . . rumors from unnamed sources on the Hill are that the only MP3 file that will be able to be shared within the U.S. and its possesions without fear of prosecution by the Department of Homeland Security will be Horst Wessel Lied.

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  24. Everyone complains about Republicans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    but forgets about people like Senator Disney Hollings who is a Democrat.

    Both parties deserve the bashing, but you're talking out of your ass if you think the Democrats are a safe haven from RIAA/Disney/et. al.

  25. Conservative? by poptones · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I don't get it - how are either of these conservative? We have yet to see how Hillary the latter will rule (although indications are he'll be as radically corporatist as Rosen), but Hillary the former was quite obviously a radical liberal. The only difference between Rosen and Al Sharpton is the group to which they would like to give special priviledges.

    Don't forget Frist is from TN, the center of the country music industry - probably the closest you can get to Hollywood without actually going to Hollywood. And he has plenty of pull of his own.

    I'm rather sick of these radical modern day liberals (as opposed to old school liberals, who actually believed in liberty) being called "conservatives." These modern day robber barrons are not conservators of anything except greed. I have in mind a much appropriate word to describe them...

  26. A bit of reasoning by TroyFoley · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Follow me here...
    Any good California law firm (as you know, we tend to have the most experience in such a field) will have hired one attorney into partnership for every State Supreme Court Justice, each attorney having previously been a different justice's clerk. After a while of typing all the J's decisions, they know what the Justice wants to read when going over correspondances and court pleadings.

    This new head is entirely about the personal experience of working with the head of the senate majority leader, and less about being qualified to lead the RIAA into a rational future that isn't based on getting money through suing people, who by their definition aren't likely to be able to afford a good lawyer.

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  27. We could solve the problem once and for all by dcavanaugh · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Study NRA tactics. Organize a boycott. Pick one record label and concentrate on driving them into bankruptcy. Enforce a new reality on the music market. Then it wouldn't matter who is running RIAA, would it?

    Notice how Congress fears the NRA, and not just because they have guns. There are more file sharers than NRA members. Consider the possibilities.

  28. Gasp! Less-biased reporting! by CSharpMinor · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The record industry has seen CD sales slump for three years, a decline it blames on online file-sharing sites where music can be traded freely and sometimes before it is even released.

    The New York times just says, "A decline caused by online file-sharing sites...." The LA Times does the same. CNN is owned by AOL/Time-Warner, and obviously just states it as though it's a credible fact. NBC/ABC/CBS ignore the issue, and follow CNN's lead when they don't. Fox... well, Fox will be Fox.

    And here Reuters is at least insinuating that a doubt may exist. What's that Eric Blair/George Orwell (real name/pen name) quote about times of lies and revolutionary truths?

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    Whatever it is I'm complaining about, I'm sure the Republicans did it. This is /., after all.
  29. Re:More info needed. by snooo53 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Hey now! at least give the guy a day to prove he's right in line with the rest of the recording industry.

    Ya never know, maybe being a conservative republican (and therefore presumably a good businessman) he will figure the P/E ratio of litigation and public intimidation isn't nearly as high as say, lowering the prices of CDs and driving up sales which is ultimately what I think this debate all comes down to.

    Then again maybe I will magically get enough money for that Z5 convertible I've been wanting the last few years. I'm telling you, $6 DRM-free CDs... people will buy them buy them by the truckload, p2p networks or not. Maybe by some small chance he'll figure it out.... don't hold your breath though.

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  30. Sing along with Mitch! by teamhasnoi · · Score: 3, Funny
    Mitch promises to bring a revival to the music industry.

    "Gone are the days when Auto-Tune carried a song! I will bring back talent to the Industry!", Mitch crowed at a Republican fund raiser, to the applause of many rich, white fat men.

    "It's high time the kids of today learned what music should sound like! I remember when talent drove the market, not the other way around! When I ascend to the throne, I will bring talent! I will bring value! I will bring CDs unencumbered with copy protection, and chock full of value!" Mitch puctuated these remarks with a pounding fist and spittle.

    Mitch finished his speech to the attendees with a rousing cry, "The RIAA will no longer be the 'bad guy'! We will sponsor new artists and stick with them, developing careers and encouraging creativity! We will offer all signed artists with new contracts, spelling out exactly what they will make - no hidden accounting!"

    "We will no longer chase file-sharers, who only do us a favor by expanding both our horizons with music, and purchase more CDs than ever before! We will never allow another American Idol or Making of the Band or manufactured marketing-friendly boy band again! All copyrights will revert to the original artist!"

    "I will personally include a puppy with every single sold! *HAHAHAAHAHA.cough cough..oh shit, I thought I could keep a straight face! Pass the bong guys, *wheeeezee* this is going to be great! I can't wait to absolutely wreck music forever! These shits are gonna be scared to look at a guitar, much less pick one up when we get done with them..I am gonna be SHITTTIIING moooonnnneeey, muthafuc...*hack* Oh, Bushies here!!! WHoooHOOO! Let's DO SOME LINES!!! Where's the White Lady??HAHAHAhaha..."

    This re-enactment is for entertainment only. It is not intended to portray Republicans as evil, rich, fat white, self-serving drug monkeys. Nor did Mitch ever say any of these things in front of me. Thank you, and please drink republicanly. ;)

  31. Re:WELCOME TO MY FOES LIST U FAGGOT! by deglr6328 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Heh, interesting that you would mention that, kind troll. Since coincidentally, Frist is actively supporting a constitutional amendment to officially ban gay marriage. This would effectively be the first constitutional amendment since the 18th(prohibition), ratified in 1919, that is specifically intended to revoke the rights of citizens instead of granting new ones. If this is any indication of the behavior his cronies are prone to, well we're in for a real treat then!

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  32. Statement of boycott-riaa.com on Mitch Bainwol by thumbtack · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Actions speak louder than words. By appointing Mr Mitch Bainwol as its new chairman and ceo, the Recording Industry Association of America proves once again that its members and board of directors will seek to continue to desperately shore up their antiquated business model through legislation instead of innovation. Rather than seeking someone who's respected by both sides to actively work for solutions, they've hired another Washington insider to push their myopic agenda in Congress. The RIAA often calls for a "Free Market Solution," but nonetheless continually balks at solutions, usually rejecting them out of hand. Its members are all for a "Free Market" - as long as they control it. So instead of celebrating a wind of change by calling off our protests on August 1 and 2, we'll re-double our efforts to make them dates the music industry in general, and the RIAA in particular, will remember. Bill Evans founder boycott-riaa.com

  33. Yes because darnit by phorm · · Score: 2, Funny

    Nobody copies our country music and gets away with it (even if they don't get caught, they suffer)!!!

    Are you sure that the CRIA can do anything about this, they may only have authorization over matters of Canadian artists.

  34. first fatal flaw by poptones · · Score: 2, Insightful
    NRA members are almost zealous in their financial support.

    If those "file traders" would just leave behind the music of the corporations that sue them we wouldn't need a lobby - the problem would take care of itself because the publishers wouldn't find enough profit in the music industry to justify sustaining an RIAA. The problem is "file traders" - like the MP3.COM of yore - don't necessarily believe in that stuff about empowering the artist or in helping build a new model of distribution that would help the creators while bypassing the suits. They generally don't care about anything but free music. And if you're paying a lobbyist to defend your (narrow and shortsighted) interest, it ain't free any more.

    1. Re:first fatal flaw by dcavanaugh · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "NRA members are almost zealous in their financial support."

      Most of them pay their dues; $35/yr. They have an incredible number of members, so it really adds up.

      "And if you're paying a lobbyist ... it ain't free any more."
      Granted, there is no such thing as "free" file sharing if you have to pay a lobbyist to defend the concept, but there are other desirable goals. It would be worth something to have competition in the music distribution industry, elimination of all the well-known unpopular business practices, the ability to make download and manipulate non-crippled files for personal use.

      A boycott could be launched at zero cost. When the NRA launched a boycott of Smith & Wesson, they sent faxes. Today, we have e-mail, or the splash screens of the P2P programs themselves.

      Influencing elections is a bit more expensive. Eventually, the money to do it will come from the hardware industry when they discover that crippleware media players are next on the boycott hit list. CSS and Macrovision were "under the radar" for the average home user, so the hardware industry will assume that is that DRM is OK until consumers resist. Let's see what happens when a few million crippled music players turn into "shelfware".

  35. Par for the Course for the GOP by GOD_ALMIGHTY · · Score: 2, Interesting
    This is part of the GOP's fascist-like merger of industry and government. Read this article for insight into how the GOP has been strengthening it's power in Washington and insuring that anyone with power is loyal to the party: "Welcome to the Machine: How the GOP disciplined K Street and made Bush supreme.".

    Now the PAC's are no longer the enemies that the Republican Revolution of '94 denounced them as, they've been co-opted.

    I'm seeing less and less of a deliniation between the GOP and good old fashioned fascism. And why is nobody looking at this? There have been numerous authors who have attempted to predict what the "American" brand of fascism would look like going back to the 30's. While most of these were American communists (fascism's 'natural enemy'), many were pragmatic moderates concerned for democracy. Look at media critic George Seldes who published 'In Fact' during the 40's. He invented the entire industry of media criticism and fact checking news sources to bring to light biased reporting.

    Many people were worried about corporate America's designs on democracy, such as their plot against Roosevelt. From "The Nazi Hydra In Fascist America":

    In 1934 Irenee du Pont and William Knudsen, the president of General Motors along with friends of the Morgan Bank and others set into motion a plot to overthrow FDR. They provided three million in funding for an army of terrorists that was modeled after the French fascist group, Croix de Feu.4 The objective of the plot was to either force Roosevelt to take orders from this group of industrialists as part of a fascist style government or to execute him if he chose not to cooperate.

    The plotters selected General Smedley Butler, a WWI hero to head the plot. Butler was overtly opposed to fascism and had spoken out denouncing Mussolini as a murderer and thug in 1931. The Italian government demanded an apology and President Hoover complied along with placing Butler under arrest for court-martial proceedings. Roosevelt then governor of New York spoke out against the charges against Butler. Roosevelt had been responsible for awarding Butler's Second Medal of Honor for his service in Haiti. President Hoover then backed down and Butler received a mild reprimand for refusing to retract his words.

    The Republican Party was infiltrated by Nazi's during the 30's, on October 22, 1936, the New York Post reported:

    To win votes for Landon and Bleakley, the Republican State Committee is employing on its payroll a staff of propagandists identified with local Nazi organizations, the Post learned today.

    This was backed up by a report on the 30th in the New York World-Telegram stating:

    The Republican Party had been sponsoring radio broadcasts by American Nazis to win German votes, it was disclosed today. One of the recent speakers was Dr. Ignatz T. Griebl a national Nazi leader and pronounced anti-Semitic

    The pre-WWII fascist designs of the Republican Party have transformed into a message that claims anyone who doesn't conform to their model of what American life is supposed to be is an enemy of America. Rather than the old heirarchy of race and nationality, it's a new one of wealth and productivity above all else. The Nazi's didn't sell an unpalatable message to the German people, the Republicans aren't about to try and sell their unappetizing designs to Americans.

    Dig through history, look at the patterns and relationships, the small tweaks don't hide the same old plan. The idea is to create a new heirarchy to lawfully subjugate those who don't belong. To insure that the morality and beliefs of the ruling class of this new heirarchy live forever. It's based on faith and the support of Right Wing Christian organizations like the Southern Bapti

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  36. Nitpick. by autechre · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The copyright holder, in the case of musical compositions, is not usually making decisions about "his work", but someone else's. The artist almost never has the rights to their own work.

    This can be important. Various artists, some big name (I believe the Smashing Pumpkins were one) were far more ready to embrace music on the Internet than the copyright holders, but of course, the artists couldn't really do anything about it as they were under contract to the label.

    Is it their fault for signing to a major? Technically yes, but it's hard to blame them, even for me. It's nice to see someone like the Yeah Yeah Yeahs get mainstream radio play, but it doesn't happen very often. If you want the big audiences, you sign to the big labels, and lose your rights.

    I think that the limits on copyright should be much shorter than they currently are, but I think that within those limits, people should be free to do what they want with their work. It's a shame it's often not up to the artists, but I don't think we can rightly change that with legislation.

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    1. Re:Nitpick. by Ptahian · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You are on the right track! (other than the end where you talk about fixing things with legislation -).

      First you rightly see that the artists are not part of the current market for 'tunes'. The RIAA sees the artist much like Ford sees a lug-nut (important, but easily replaced by any number of near identical lug-nuts).

      Secondly, you are correct that the copyright holders should be allowed to do what they want with their content. Again, the thought of forcing a copyright holder to do something in particular strikes me as serious injustice.

      But the connection you fail to make, and that you and Wellspring seem to be missing is that this is purely a problem of technology breaking down the barriers (high cost of production, *especially* the physical media on which the music was 'printed', and an oligopoly of distrubution) against competition in the market.

      Due to collusion and lack of competition, CDs cost the same now as they did 10 years ago (if not more). Compare that to cellular phone service and you'll get the idea. If there had been a normal market, then the price for a tune would have been $5 five years ago, and the $1 Apple is charging would not seem so cheap now, it might seem expensive!

      Now, with technology, it is becoming cheap to enter the market, and the huge profits of the RIAA members are hanging by the _thread_ that is their continued ability to act as gatekeeper (by exerting monopoly-like power) for what is heard on the radio/MTV/etc. The RIAA believes they can further manipulate the market to prevent competition with laws proscribing the creation of a sharing shadow market.

      What the RIAA does not understand is that the longer they delay competition, the more drastic the emergence of an alternative market will be for their current business practices. In the end a new supply/demand equilibrium point will be reached where artists and consumers meet, but without the costs of 'printing' onto plastic, artificially created 'hype'/'buzz'/etc, no payola to Clear Channel, no anti-pirate tax on blank media, etc.

      The new market will be extremely diverse and in total far *larger* than exists now under the RIAA stranglehold, and without the stranglehold, the RIAA folks will shrivel extremely quickly. This will be good for the market and for the vast majority of tune-creators (who are now being held down so that a single 'group'/'artist'/'lug-nut' can be used to milk the consumer with as little risk as possible). Technology will continue to advance, and we may see a real flourishing of the arts.

      And as for the copyright holders. They will make decisions about their content within the new market (making cost/benefit decisions, etc). Some copyright holders may decide that the market is not right for them (for whatever reason; artistic or economic, etc) and NOT RELEASE THEIR CONTENT. They can put it in a museum or only perform in front of 1000 folks paying $1 MILLION each -whatever. But we, the consumers will not be bending over backwards for the profit of a small group of shareholders from a small number of corporations.

      Limiting copyrights would be good for similar reasons, but that's a different part of structure of this market and need not be considered central to this discussion.

      -ptah

  37. It's because Republicans are on top by 0x0d0a · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Republicans own the government right now. You'd have to be a damn *idiot* to side with the underdog when you're about to try pushing through a seriously dicey move that could piss off a lot of Americans.

    1. Re:It's because Republicans are on top by BWJones · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Republicans own the government right now. You'd have to be a damn *idiot* to side with the underdog when you're about to try pushing through a seriously dicey move that could piss off a lot of Americans.

      Or you could stand up and fight for what you believe in.

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  38. A new head for the RIAA? by phorm · · Score: 5, Funny

    Interesting... I've always assumed that the RIAA wasn't lead by a head, so much as a collection of asses...

  39. Maybe not such a bad thing.... by davejenkins · · Score: 3, Insightful

    With such an overt political appointment, the RIAA may have just committed a tactical error: now they are seen as sitting on one side of the bench, whereas before they were seen as a 'legitimate' lobbying group for a powerful industry.

    This may affect several points:
    1. Yes, the GOP is in power, but Hollywood and the Music industry are standard DEM strongholds. They may not like their new boy, or at least won't invite him to the parties at Rob Reiner's house.

    2. They have now unzipped their fly, and are acting pretty brazenly partisan with such a move. This will turn many democrats in congress into automatic defense mode, who may slow legislation down 'just because'.

    3. In the end, Bush & Co. may end up having to choose between supporting a major US export (entertainment) vs. giving money to those 'liberal jack-offs in hollywood'-- depending on what Karl Rove says about electoral trends, that could break either way.

  40. Change the Law by MichaelCrawford · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Sixty million Americans use peer-to-peer networks to share music. That's more Americans than voted for George Bush. If they all engaged in a little consciousness-raising and then got organized, they could vote in a government that would make filesharing legal.

    Copyright is not a constitutional right, like free speech. While Congress is empowered to legalize copyright, it is not required to do so. Filesharing could be legalized tomorrow if Congress just passed a bill to repeal copyright.

    Change the Law explains this in more detail, and suggests some steps to take to legalize filesharing. You can take these steps in almost any country, not just the US:

    • Speak Out
    • Vote
    • Write to Your Elected Representatives
    • Donate Money to Political Campaigns
    • Support Campaign Finance Reform
    • Join the Electronic Frontier Foundation
    • Practice Civil Disobedience
    If you feel as I do that what I have to say in my article is important for others to read, please link to it from your own website, your weblog, or other message boards.

    Thank you for your attention.

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  41. The Big Picture by bmarklein · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Paul Krugman (Princeton prof. & NY Times columnist) wrote a very relevant piece that helps explain why the RIAA hired a Republican lobbyist - keep in mind that the entertainment industry, and the music industry in particular, is traditionally a Democratic stronghold. Krugman writes that the Republicans are refusing to deal with Democratic lobbyists. This is a new development in Washington, and is seen as an attempt to solidify "one-party rule".

    Krugman writes: "Lobbying jobs are a major source of patronage -- a reward for the loyal. More important, however, many lobbyists now owe their primary loyalty to the party, rather than to the industries they represent. So corporate cash, once split more or less evenly between the parties, increasingly flows in only one direction."

  42. Re:Now that they've got a Republican in the post.. by grendel_x86 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    How long until file traders are considered "terrorists" trying to destroy the "American"(corporate) way of life.

    Has anyone realized that the navy commercials now end with "Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of those who threaten it"? What the hell is that?

    As the government and corporations fuse, they are solidifying of new aristocracy. This means that our individual voices get drowned out. Where in the constitution does it say they get representation? Last time I checked, the government was of the people, by the people, and for the people.

    I know it will never happen, but I think the only way to save our government, is to ban lobbying (legalized bribery). How can we compete w/ business giving out hundreds of thousands of dollars in 'incentive'?

    I think I need to start my own country (think of the exodus from Battletech). No RIAA, no DMCA, no waste of our lives to get better profits on oil.

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  43. Truth in Sentencing by heretic108 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Parking in a 'No Parking' zone:
    - $40-$200 fine

    Petty Theft:
    - $200 fine to 90 days' jail

    Aggravated Assault:
    - 90 days to 5 years' jail

    3rd Degree Murder:
    - 3 to 10 years' jail

    2nd Degree Murder:
    - 8 to 20 years' jail

    Associating With A Person Who Is Known To Have Had KaZaa Installed On Their Hard Disk:
    - 25 to life!

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  44. Mitch Bainwol anagrams by Alien+Being · · Score: 4, Funny

    limit bach now
    omni law bitch
    wino itch balm
    blow manic hit
    him can blow it
    i bowl in match
    nail mob witch
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    howl at ibm inc
    i watch no limb
    climb a hit now
    octal whim bin
    hint i blow mca

  45. Copyright is not a right by MunchMunch · · Score: 2, Interesting
    "Unless there is a good reason why a copyright holder doesn't have to the right to limit copying of his work (hence copyright), then I might limit some of the more odious enforcement provisions, but I can't see why they shouldn't be allowed to protect their rights."

    The problem here is that you're furthering a common misconception. Copyright is not actually a right, as most 'rights' are understood. The right to free speech, the right to not be discriminated against based on race, etc, are all fundamental or basic--they are almost universally agreed upon in free society.

    Copyright on the other hand is a privilege. It is a grant of monopoly on a particular creative work for a "limited" time. I feel like my last few posts have almost all been to this point, but I may as well hammer it home again: The Founders of this country were wary of ANY monopoly. As such, copyright was created in a very limited fashion, for the explicit purpose of encouraging creativity. But your conception of copyright as a right is by no means uncommon, and as you pointed out, logically the term 'copyright' taken in pieces seems to indicate a right of copy. But whereas the term copyright should theoretically apply to that very narrow definition that the Founders meant for it, it has been conflated with the idea of a basic right, a fundamental like free speech.

    I say as emphatically as I can that copyright, taken as a personal fundamental right, is absolutely incommensurable with the idea of free expression. In England such a thing as you are suggesting is called Moral Right, and it is indeed perpetual. Do you want to write a Sherlock Holmes derivative that Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's descendants disagree with? Well, you better be prepared to defend yourselves.

    Again, I hate sounding like a broken record, but our culture is inextricably linked to mass-, privately owned media. The Founders didn't grant a basic right to copyright so that the nation wouldn't be deprived of a more valuable right which is dependant on the free access of ideas and expressions--the right to culture.

    1. Re:Copyright is not a right by MunchMunch · · Score: 2, Insightful
      "The government grants you the PRIVELEDGE of free speech, the PRIVELEDGE of not being discriminated against. If free speech is actually a natural right, as you claim, then it couldn't be taken away by Stalinist or facist systems, it'd be impossible..."

      Its an interesting argument...Most people are overvaluing copyright by bringing it up to the traditional value of 'rights', whereas your argument is about lowering the value of 'rights' to the level of copyright. But in response:

      You'll pardon my bluntness: If you assume that basic human rights are granted to you by the government, then you've as much as given them up already. Basic rights can certainly be suppressed by a powerful government, but that a government does not suppress them is not the same as the government granting them. The former is simply justice being served, while the latter sets up exactly the power aristocracy the Founders tried to vigorously prevent.

      To illustrate, given the logic that a government can grant basic human rights, you must logically assume that the government is also the proprietor of those human rights, for who can give what one does not first have? If the government owns my right to say what I want, then do I have that right?

  46. Re:There is nothing wrong with this. by Dashing+Leech · · Score: 2, Insightful
    While this is certainly off topic, that's the biggest load of crap I've heard in a long time. If gays should be banned from marriage because "Marriage is intended for the procreation of children", then all couples incapable of procreating should be banned in law. This includes infertile men and women, women beyond menopause, men with vasectomies, and women with tubal ligations. It should also be illegal to marry with the intent to not have children, if indeed that is the purpose of marriage as you say.

    By the way, the "rest of the world" is becoming more liberal, not less. Gay marriages are becoming far more common outside the U.S. For example, they are now completely legal in Ontario as of a few months ago, and the Canadian government is drafting law to make it legal throughout Canada.

  47. Re:Explain for the rest of the world... by Gordonjcp · · Score: 2, Funny
    Erm, what? Your political system allows you to choose between right-wing and right-wing?


    Just stay where you are, we'll send some people over to assassinate your political leaders and "liberate" you, just as soon as we get them back from Iraq. We'll phone you when it's done.

  48. Re:There is nothing wrong with this. by the+argonaut · · Score: 2, Insightful

    First of all, up until very recently, if both partners worked, marriage resulted in a tax increase. Second, if the supposed marriage tax breaks were for bearing children, then why would there be a separate child tax credit?

    Obviously wrong as well. The so-called "marriage penalty" only applied to a fraction of two-income married couples, generally when they earned widely disparate incomes. There are a number of financial/legal benefits to being married, at least in U.S. society.

    if you think it's the government's place to say what marriage is intendted to be, you should probably move to a country where those views are shared.

    Well, the government (in the U.S. as well as other places) already is in the business of saying what marriage is. And I think that is the point of gay marriage advocates. If marriage was simply an institution defined and administered by religious institutions, without any sort of government involvement or benefit, then this would be a different story. Gay couples could get married all they want by establishing their own church institutions with other like-minded individuals or by seeking out friendly denominations. But the government is in the business of sanctioning marriages, which creates a completely different scenario, and in all fairness, it is marginalizing a group of people and denying them priveleges that are given to others, something that is antithetical to what we would like to believe the U.S. is about.

    Back on-topic now...

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  49. Re:Now that they've got a Republican in the post.. by Kyouryuu · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Amen, grendel. Lobbying from all sides, whether we agree with them or not, shoudl be banned. Politicians should be voted on based on their belief and take those beliefs into account when they make it into the office. They should not have the ability to become corrupted at the hands of corporations through legalized bribery.

    Look at the Enron situation. So many politicians had their hands in that cookie jar. When it collapsed, no one was interested in prosecuting the guilty - everyone was more interested in saving their own derriere.

    The time to push for such a thing is now, before the corporations become even more fused with our government. We are quickly reaching a point of no return, and if the people lose their power in the government to the corporation, we will never get it back.