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HavenCo In Trouble?
Evil Al writes "News.com is reporting on the talk given by Ryan Lackey, former CTO of HavenCo, at DefCon. Lackey claims that the company is teetering on the edge due to internal upheaval and lack of customers. Oh, and 9/11, of course."
..something illegal to begin with, and HavenCo won't host you.
As you can read in the Acceptable Use Policy on HavenCo's website they will host everything not forbidden by Sealand's law - that is just child pornography.
So you could host copyrighted and pirated videos, plans on how to make the newest mobile nuclear bomb and things like that.
The popular cracks site, cracks.am is hosted on HavenCo.
Their acceptable use policy defeats the purpose of the haven?!
HavenCo said on Monday that its acceptable use policy "stands as originally written. However it is the case that principality law forbids any act...which is against international law, linked with terrorism, or contrary to international custom and practice. These restrictions are in keeping with those found in any country."
That bold bit pretty much covers everything.
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They really need to offer lower rates to fill those racks up a bit more, save the novelty premiums for those last slots.
According to Lackey the problem was that HavenCo failled to realize the pure vision of the founders. He pretty much sounds like one of those unreconstructed 1960s communists that claim that the reason the USSR failled is because it was not communist enough.
The fact that they only had 6 customers would explain why the UK authorities appear to have shown so little interest. The platform is inside UK teritorial waters - period. The UK government does not recognize 'Prince Roy' and in this case it is the opinion of the executive and not the judiciary that is relevant. Extreeme ideologues like Lackey can believe what they want, the scheme was doomed from the start because they were not immune to UK law.
The US citizens were certainly not immune from US law. The US has in recent years exported a large number of its laws. For that matter so has the UK.
Under UK law the platform as a man made object is therefore a ship. Ships do not have territorial claims. A ship that does not carry the flag of a recognized nationality is subject to the law of any country that cares to exercise jurisdiction.
There are plenty of real countries where the authorities will turn a bloind eye to any enterprise - at a price. Nigeria for example where the government tollerates the advance fee fraud spammers who have them on the payroll.
The HavenCo employees all went to and from the platfom through Heathrow airport. They could have been arrested by the UK authorities any time they wanted to. Lackey was working in the UK without a work permit.
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and what kind of sites were considered to be havenco material?
From another article (old):
For "security reasons," HavenCo will mention the name of only one client: Tibet Online, the Net presence of the exiled government, which is eager to escape the clutches of China.
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It was however outside of UK territorial waters at the time it was claimed. And as such was not under UK law. The UK extender their territorial waters around it when it was claimed. The legal/political position is a little unclear, however a UK judge has previously declared he had no authority over it as it wasn't part of the UK.
The UK could not extend it's Territorial Waters 100 miles and then claim the beaches of Normandy.
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SCBA, since they're not underwater. As to the claim re nitrogen- from a practical standpoint, sealing rooms is virtually impossible, and gasses like to disperse. From a safety standpoint, less than 14%(I think?) oxygen is considered an environment that is classified as Immediately Dangerous to Life and Health(or whatever the OSHA term is).
I'd be far more inclined to believe they have a fire suppression system and SCBA emergency stations(as is required by law in many cases).
have you read their history? They have been treated as a sovereign government for over 30 years.
It has been challenged MANY times and has won.
Other countries have even sent diplomats to Sealand to make dealings.
The UK has no more of a claim of rights to Sealand than Sealand has a right to claim rights to anything else.
this is total BS according to Lackey.
havenco did not have a "sealed oxegen free room" it had 5 lan racks with about 15 servers on there.... thats it.
apparently they spent more money on getting a flakey wireless link up then they did on servers.
also in the talks he said that sealand has like 2 people residing there now.... and he said that a armed takeover would take about 10 minutes..... so anyone have a chopper I can borrow?
At last count, I believe Indonesia had 11,000 islands, some 7000 of which are uninhabited. I remember reading recently that they just "discovered" 1000 more islands that they didn't know were part of their country. My advice -- go to south east Asia and find an undiscovered island.
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He pretty much sounds like one of those unreconstructed 1960s communists that claim that the reason the USSR failled is because it was not communist enough.
I hate to sound like a stickler but I'm going to, anyway.
The original socialist movement away from mother Russia's old Czar ruling was stealthfully turned into a form of totalitarian "dictatorship" shortly after the revolution. So, in actuality, the "communists" you speak of weren't truely speaking of communism as it was currently in mother russia, they were talking about what the true intent was in the beginning.
It was a glimmer of hope for the Russians until that revolution turned out how it did.
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And international law specifically states that when you increase your territorial waters you cannot gain any "land" claimed by other countries.
The Antarctic Treaty of 1959/1961 neither recognizes nor disputes the claims made by those 7 (or any other) nation. The United States and Russia both reserve the right to make territorial claims. See the CIA World Factbook for more info.
Short story is, you'd catch a lot of shit from about 30 countries if you tried setting up an independent nation on Antarctica.
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