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Bent Fibers Put Networks At Risk

opticsorg writes "The combination of moderate optical powers and tight bends can prove catastrophic for optical fibers, according to research carried out by BT Exact in the UK. Although the effect is unlikely to cause problems in current networks, it means that designers may need to think carefully before scaling up the power in their systems or deploying Raman amplifiers with pump powers of several hundred milliwatts or more. In the July 10th issue of Electronics Letters, Ed Sikora and his colleagues report that powers as low as 500 mW can induce permanent damage in singlemode fiber that is bent (13 mm bend diameter or less). 'These bends could be found in exchange racks or splice trays, for example, especially if a fiber is tugged or pulled,' Sikora told Optics.org. The BT researchers carried out tests on four types of fiber subjected to a range of bend diameters (5 to 15 mm) and optical powers of up to a few watts. In all cases the fibers fail within 53 hours. 'What was unexpected was that the catastrophic failure can occur in 90 bends at fairly low powers of less than 1 W or so,' said Sikora. 'It's important to understand that we're not saying that networks are going to fall over tomorrow, but as powers go up you have to aware this effect could occur under certain circumstances.'"

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  1. Bends by mopslik · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...tight bends can prove catastrophic for optical fibers.



    Similarly, the bends can prove catastrophic for nautical divers.

  2. ...oh well by whitelabrat · · Score: 1

    You should see the physics my network defies!

  3. For everyone too lazy to read.... by Mathew+Lankard · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Don't bend your fiber. I could of swore not bending optial equipment was a given.....

    1. Re:For everyone too lazy to read.... by Nintendork · · Score: 4, Informative
      No doubt. You don't even want to bend solid CAT5 cable too much when you use it to wire a building. Typical rule is a 1" radius. Optical cables are much more sensitive to bending with a 2" radius limit.

      -Lucas

    2. Re:For everyone too lazy to read.... by L.+VeGas · · Score: 5, Funny

      Don't bend your fiber!
      Don't polish your helmet!

      I'm sick of these technical articles making moral judgements on my hobbies.

    3. Re:For everyone too lazy to read.... by swordboy · · Score: 1

      Don't bend your fiber.

      Actually, if you read closer, you'll find:

      catastrophic for optical fibers

      So... if you have fibers and they are made out of optical, then you can't bend them. It doesn't say anything about fiber optics so I assume that it is safe to bend it.

      Seriously.

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    4. Re:For everyone too lazy to read.... by binaryDigit · · Score: 2, Informative

      Don't bend your fiber. I could of swore not bending optial equipment was a given.....

      Obviously you have to allow for some amount of bending, or it would be a useless technology. The issue here is that radii originally thought to be "safe", might not be if you pump a strong enough signal through. So the current standards are fine as long as you keep your power at a certain level. If you do need to increase signal strength, then things may start failing.

    5. Re:For everyone too lazy to read.... by itwerx · · Score: 1

      In other words you don't want your fiber turning into "Raman noodles". :)

    6. Re:For everyone too lazy to read.... by bev_tech_rob · · Score: 1

      'According to the BT researchers, the damage is caused by an increase in temperature that occurs when the power leaks out of the fiber at a bend and is absorbed by its coating. This either causes the fiber coating to burn off leaving the silica beneath exposed or if the temperature is high enough (around 1100C) the fiber itself deforms giving rise to a large permanent optical loss. The failure occurs more rapidly as the power level rises and the fiber diameter shrinks. '

      1100 degrees C??? Yikes! Sounds like that would be a fire hazard!

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  4. In related news... by djh101010 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...if you abuse copper conductors, they'll fail too.

    I'm having a hard time saying this is surprising; minimum bend radius for fiber is nothing that hasn't been obvious to anyone working with the stuff. As long as you're treating it well, you'll be fine. If you or your upstream is stupid about how to handle it, well, it's like any other poor infrastructure, it's gonna bite you. No surprises there.

    1. Re:In related news... by InfiniteWisdom · · Score: 1

      Interesting. We do gigabit ethernet though... Can your findings be extended to CAT 5e or CAT6?

    2. Re:In related news... by slusich · · Score: 2, Funny

      More studies are required to determine the effects of cutting 5e and 6. We have applied for a goverment grant to proceed with these studies.

    3. Re:In related news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      I agree this is nothing new and should be common sense but it isn't. Bending a wire of any kind will subject one side to compression and the other side to tension, and what kind of failure occurs depends on the material properties involved (i.e. some materials fair better under compression, and others better under tension).

      A fairly small percentage of the power is absorbed but as it is absorbed it changes the structure of the coating causing some more absorption until there is a run away effect," said Sikora. "Depending on the input power the temperature can easily go up to 1000C or more."

      Thermal run away can have catastrophic consequences. Take copper wiring in a aircraft for example. Place plastic coated copper wire with a excessively small bend radius and over time the plastic will start to crack on the outside of the bend.

      If the wire is located in a non pressurized area of the plane, the wire can be subject to extreme levels of condensation. This condensation will come in contact with the exposed wire creating a carbon residue on the outside of the wire. Over time this residue builds and as electricity is run through the residue it is heated, melting more of the plastic cover and exposing more wire. If this occurs on/inside a wire bundle which can contain dozens and dozens of wires you can get anything from a system short(s) to the entire bundle starting on fire.

      AC

    4. Re:In related news... by swordboy · · Score: 3, Funny

      minimum bend radius for fiber is nothing that hasn't been obvious to anyone working with the stuff

      I've been supplementing my diet with fiber every day now and it has certainly increased the minimum bend radius in my sigmoid colon!

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    5. Re:In related news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the point is that existing fiber installations that work fine now could fail catastrophically as power levels are raised to what appear to be otherwise safe levels.

      While, AFAIK, 13mm is well below the minimum bend radius specced for most fiber, people may have exceeded that and gotten away with it ... until they up the power & kill it.

      It'd be kinda like you deciding to try gigabit ethernet on your old CAT5 wiring, and discovering that, not only did it not work, but it destroyed your existing cabling.

    6. Re:In related news... by Mostly+Harmless · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'm having a hard time saying this is surprising.

      I agree. It may not be so intuitive for copper, but c'mon, fiber is glass. Of course if you bend it too much there will be problems. When I used to install fiber cabling, we always used a larger bend radius than the standards required -- it just made sense. Not to mention the fact that if you include a service loop in the walls, every time you pull some more of the extra fiber out of the wall, you decrease the bend radius of the service loop.

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    7. Re:In related news... by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 1

      make sure you get a license from SCO before you go messing with networks, there may be illicit binary activity happening inside them.

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    8. Re:In related news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      30 minutes and 10 millions dollars later, we have determined that cutting any cat x grade wire will immediately terminate the connection. however by placing the ends back together properly, and securing with duct tape, network connectivity can be restored in no time.

    9. Re:In related news... by phloydphreak · · Score: 0

      pigs, three of them. //love the sig

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    10. Re:In related news... by CausticWindow · · Score: 1

      Sure it's glass, but the problem is with the heat buildup (hence the reference to different effects) in the bends.

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    11. Re:In related news... by Mostly+Harmless · · Score: 2, Informative

      13mm is tremendously below the minimum bend radius spec. As per the Data Communications Cabling FAQ:

      "According to EIA SP-2840A (a draft version of EIA-568-x) the minimum bend radius for UTP is 4 x cable outside diameter, about one inch. For multipair cables the minimum bending radius is 10 x outside diameter.

      SP-2840A gives minimum bend radii for Type 1A Shielded Twisted Pair (100 Mb/s STP) of 7.5 cm (3-in) for non-plenum cable, 15 cm (6-in) for the stiffer plenum-rated kind.

      For fiber optic cables not in tension, the minimum bend radius is 10 x diameter; cables loaded in tension may not be bent at less than 20 x diameter. SP-2840A states that no f/o cable will be bent on a radius less than 3.0 cm (1.18-in).
      ...
      Some manufacturers recommendations differ from the above, so it is worth checking the spec sheet for the cable you plan to use."

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    12. Re:In related news... by Mostly+Harmless · · Score: 2, Informative

      The heat may be the problem being presented here, but the issue could be completely avoided if people spec out their cable installations properly to begin with, and use a little common sense. I don't care how much heat is generated, at 13mm, there's a good chance that the cable will shatter eventually anyway.

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    13. Re:In related news... by WolfWithoutAClause · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that's pretty much so. My understanding is that a bent fiber, no matter how slight the bend, eventually snaps. You can delay the inevitable by making the bend less acute though. By the time you get to a bend radius measured in 10s of cm the lifetime is probably in the multiple decades.

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  5. malicious Xploit? by asadodetira · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Im' no expert in this technology, but is it possible that somebody could remotely set up the power of the transmitter in such a way to produce this kind of damage on purpose.???

    1. Re:malicious Xploit? by mr_luc · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Hmm. I don't think this is a troll.

      I'm going to tie this into the Florida TIA article and that previous article on the college undergrad that made the matrix-like infrastructure map of the US, and say that since the transmitters are often accessible (with a little intelligence) to maintenance people, and since this is something that could easily be written up as an accident (as mentioned, just a subtle bend), an infoterrorist could do a lot of infrastructure damage in a dificult-to-detect and difficult-to-diagnose way, simply by twisting the cables into a sharp bend. This has a lot of benefits over more obvious (and more immediate) vandalism like physically cutting a line, which tends to be much more easily traceable back to the place where it happened, and thus has a lot more risk for the vandal.

    2. Re:malicious Xploit? by cybergibbons · · Score: 2, Informative

      This isn't as ridiculous as some make out. It may not be physically possible to install anything into a DWDM system, but it's certainly possible to control powers.

      The system I worked on had 160 individual channels essentially multiplexed down to one. Their individual power was controlled using a OOB signal which spoke to the nodes on the system.

      At each intermediate node, the EDFAs and raman pumps were also controlled using the OOB signalling. Algorithms were used to keep the system working as best as possible.

      However, it wouldn't be outside of a hacker's capabilities to take control of the system, and say, pump of the power of the raman pumps (being easily the most powerful individual laser in the system). Also, increasing the powers of the individual channels (bearing in mind there are 160 here), and the EDFA pumps... well, you could cause some damage.

      Of course, inside all the hardware, the fibre is carefully carried on plastic trays to keep well defined radii of turns, and at install, all the external fibres have connectors and trays to stop tight bends, but when some unskilled maintains the system, it could happen...

    3. Re:malicious Xploit? by lovswr · · Score: 1

      hmmmm I actually work for BT North America. This would be almost impossible (almost :)) First, in order to get to the management system to get there, you need to go through 3 password gateways,,,then once you reach the actual ADM you must have the correct level of access (this last one..level of access is very tightly controlled, at least here in the states). Furthermore,,the ADM keeps a rolling log of who (by password name) got in & every single command they issue...I assume that you could do it, if determined enough, but it would not do as much damage as has been implied (at least to the BT network)

    4. Re:malicious Xploit? by plover · · Score: 1
      The exploit is more likely to be implemented in the reverse. Since access to the transmitters is likely to be restricted, but little orange fibers hanging in the ceilings are less likely to be guarded (or changes noticed,) attackers might consider overbending the fibers to cause future failures.

      Exploiting bent optical fibers is not new. Many years ago I read of using bends in fibers as a way to "leak" the light and effectively tap fiber optic cables. They were explaining why the NSA pulled their fibers through conduit which was then pressurized with nitrogen and monitored for leaks.

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    5. Re:malicious Xploit? by ScottKin · · Score: 1

      If such a hacker was ever able to log-on to the aformentioned equipment, then it's the fault of the CSO/CIO who approved lame security.

      Actually, it would be *very* difficult for a hacker who wasn't actually connected to a system that had rlogin (or equivalent) access to the individual nodes on a UPSR/BLSR ring to do such damage, since most DWDM/SONET hardware communicates to the nodes on the ring via the TOH segments of a SONET frame that an average hacker would not be able to reach or fiddle/twiddle with - not to mention that mose IP-accessable SONET Network equipment is *usually* carried on a totally separate network from the Internet.

      Hence, such activity would have to be totally done internally, within the provider's network - which would then again rest squareely on the shoulders and buttocks of the CSO/CIO or Operations Director.

      Actually, I think there is more of a threat from untrained or simply lazy techs who still think it's ok to clean fibers with their pants-leg or shirt than there is from bent or microbent fibers - similar light/power levels as discussed in the article would severely damage the fiber-end of a scratched or contaminated fiber connector to the point of having it totally unusablebut, and that's why you *should* have your fiber network configured as a BLSR ring - redundancy on spare fibers is what BLSR was designed for, and if you're not running a BLSR (sorry...Bi-directional Line Switched Ring versus UPSR - Unidirectional Path Switched Ring) SONET ring for fiber to prevent ring collapse or a wrapped ring, then you deserve every LOS you get for going with the cheaper-but-less-robust UPSR.

      ScottKin.

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    6. Re:malicious Xploit? by ScottKin · · Score: 1

      Partially correct on this kind of exploit - but you must have two, very important requirements:

      1) Physical Access to the fiber

      or

      2) Physical Access to the FODU (Fiber Optic Distribution Unit) Cabinet

      There may be older fiber installs which might provide easy phy-access to the fiber, but most fiber installs done today are fairly secure (steel conduit/panduit/pipe) and are specifically designed to prevent tampering.

      ScottKin

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    7. Re:malicious Xploit? by theLOUDroom · · Score: 1

      Except when you're a terrorist, your goal is to create terror. If no one knows it was deliberate, then you have failed.

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  6. Huh? by stratjakt · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I always thought this was a given?

    Whats new here that everyone whos so much as read a magazine article about fibre optic tech doesnt know?

    You cant bend fibres, or light will just come shooting out.

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    1. Re:Huh? by 680x0 · · Score: 5, Informative
      You cant bend fibres, or light will just come shooting out.
      Actually, you can bend fibers to a certain minimum radius. The light is reflected off the inside wall of the fiber. Long-haul connections use something called "single-mode" fibers, which I believe is made from glass fibers. Shorter connections use a plastic fiber, called "multi-mode", which can bend more.

      But, I guess what the article is saying is that the minimum radius (i.e. how "sharp" the bend is) is larger for higher power signals, and as carriers increase the power (for more bandwidth) they may discover some of the existing bends in their fiber infrastructure suddenly become too sharp.

      To understand the radius/diameter of a bend, imagine the fiber following the outside of a circle with the given radius or diameter. If you need a 90-degree turn, you follow around 1/4 of the circumference of the circle.

    2. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, thats what i meant. You cant bend them past the angle at which the light will reflect internally, rather than refract (leak out).

      Alls I know is, that kind of stuff is best left to immigrant visa workers and illegal mexicans. I prefer not to get my hands dirty doing monkey jobs.

    3. Re:Huh? by pclminion · · Score: 3, Interesting
      But, I guess what the article is saying is that the minimum radius (i.e. how "sharp" the bend is) is larger for higher power signals

      Nah. The maximum radius doesn't depend whatsoever on the intensity of light passing through the fiber. If the radius is too tight, light will leak out, regardless of how weak. Light is already leaking out of these over-bent fibers. The problem is when the power gets too high, and the amount of leaked light becomes so great that it actually starts heating up the cladding.

      BTW, the maximum curvature radius you can use depends on both the material the fiber itself is made of, and the material the cladding is made of. You want the two materials to have dissimilar indices of refraction -- the more dissimilar, the tighter you can bend the fiber without light leaking out of it. To some degree it also depends on the frequency of light you are using. But it does not depend on the intensity of the light.

    4. Re:Huh? by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I believe what they're saying is 'although we always knew that bending your fibre would result in less efficient connections, we're now finding out that it will ALSO actually damage the fibre itself over time.'

      Much like, kink a CAT-5 enough, and it won't pass traffic at full speed, but it's not going eventually burn the cable.

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    5. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is that super-obvious reader's digest quality to all of timothy's posts.

    6. Re:Huh? by Shane-24 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Uhm - I do beg to differ. There is going to be loss at ANY bend, however the minimum bend radius gives to the limit of the acceptable loss.

      Now if the light becomes too intense (and 500mW to 1W is a LOT of light in a single mode fibre), the fraction lost in the bend although in itself acceptable, becomes great enough to actually damage the structure of the fibre.

      I also wonder how the heating effects the refractive index of the core/cladding itself, and if this might lead to a feedback loss/heating effect.

    7. Re:Huh? by pclminion · · Score: 1
      There is going to be loss at ANY bend, however the minimum bend radius gives to the limit of the acceptable loss.

      Physically this just isn't true. I don't know the exact details of how they select the minimum curvature radius, but there is a threshold beyond which the light reflects completely. The fiber doesn't have to be absolutely straight. As I said in another post, the bend radius depends not only on the index of refraction but also the width of the fiber. You can bend a fiber to a certain degree with no loss, and there's even a formula for it.

      I also wonder how the heating effects the refractive index of the core/cladding itself, and if this might lead to a feedback loss/heating effect.

      Heating would tend to decrease the index of refraction (as the material heats it expands, and the decrease in density decreases the index). This would lead to greater loss of light, which would further heat the fiber. So you're right, it would be a runaway effect.

  7. It's the ones... by Xandar01 · · Score: 4, Funny

    The zero's can turn corners easily enough, but those ones get hung up in the corners.

    You would not believe how many mice cords this effects yearly.

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    1. Re:It's the ones... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's so goddamned funny is that you're actually right, assuming the ones are pulses of light and the zeroes are the absence of light.

    2. Re:It's the ones... by stefanlasiewski · · Score: 4, Funny

      those ones get hung up in the corners.

      Actually, this is why I like to use Sans-serif fonts like Arial. With Times New Roman, all those little serif's get snagged on things as the 1's travel down the wire.

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    3. Re:It's the ones... by tie_guy_matt · · Score: 1

      It depends on what encoding scheme you are using. If you are using NRZ then yes, the zeros are no signal and therefore they "bend" quite easily. Although if there is a bend then you might have increased dispersion; your pulse would then spread and it might make a 0 look more like a 1. However I don't think they usually use NRZ (could be wrong about that.) I think usually they use something else like manchester where zero is when you go from a high signal to a low signal while a one is when you go from low to high (http://www.erg.abdn.ac.uk/users/gorry/course/phy- pages/man.html.) The bending problem would therefore effect both zeros and ones. The problem with NRZ is that your transmitter and reciever have to be synchronized. If the reciever's timing get's off it may think that bit 6 is really bit 7. I think this is why serial ports have stop bits. I know this was a joke but it brings up interesting points :)

  8. As long as its just a patchcable.. by sabri · · Score: 2, Informative

    Being a network engineer I deal with fibers in a 19" rack. You simply have to bend the fibers in order to keep a clean tidy rack which does not look like a spaghetti. But as long as it's just a simple patchcable which is broken and not a fiber burried somewhere deep, It's just a simple case of shit happens. Just make sure you have your cabletester nearby :)

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    1. Re:As long as its just a patchcable.. by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You simply have to bend the fibers in order to keep a clean tidy rack which does not look like a spaghetti.

      Bull!

      if you buy the correct trays and storage equipment for your fiber rack you can easily stay within the minimum bend radius. It boggles my mind how many times I see network engineersthat are now having to deal with fiber treating it like cat-5 or coax. you have to treat fiber like fiber. Correct sotrage boxes, splice trays with the proper loops for that fiber count and yes downspouts and radius curves for the raceways.

      your fiber needs to droop down and then come back laying on the radius shelf entrance.

      if you do fiber right, you have nothing to worry about.

      It's the schmucks and management that are cutting corners that are going to get bitten.

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    2. Re:As long as its just a patchcable.. by Zorkerman · · Score: 3, Funny

      if you do fiber right, you have nothing to worry about.

      So does this mean I'm going to have to stop making fiber animals with my patch cables? Damn!

    3. Re:As long as its just a patchcable.. by sabri · · Score: 1

      Bull!

      Please read again. I said you will have to bend them. I did not say you have to make a U turn with them.

      If you see how some people mess up their racks with just cat-5, just wait how their racks will look like once everybody uses fiber instead of cat-5. Or what about those who buy their racks just one size too small and their gbics are just a few cm away from the door. *close-door* *crack* oops.

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    4. Re:As long as its just a patchcable.. by galtsavenger · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's the schmucks and management that are cutting corners that are going to get bitten. -- What this world needs is some geeks with the backbone to stand up for what they believe in.

      If this is a sig it's great, but particularly appropriate for this post. In every data centre I've been in, there have been giant cable infrastructure nightmares - everyone knows about the monsters under those raised floors, but have you ever seen a rats nest of cables so large that it has to be supported or the weight will take down the racks attached to it? Rats nests you have to cut through to clean up? Yuck. These are the circumstances which lead to bent fibre. In most situations, management is hard pressed to cough up cash to clean it up unless it poses an immediate risk to the business. Most of us don't make the time to put together the proper business case to prove to the overpaid overlings that these are important issues that need to be addressed!! Hopefully the report opens a few blind eyes and helps to clean up a few data centres!

    5. Re:As long as its just a patchcable.. by buck_wild · · Score: 1

      Excellent post.

      One thing we've done to combat this is to make it an action item on every project (via a child change-record) to clean up the cable mess your project leaves behind.

      Yeah, we still have some legacy cable issues from before this was implemented, but everything since then has gone extremely well.

      I monitor what goes on (and under) my raised floor pretty religiously now, and I have to say things are looking really good!

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  9. And in related news.... by syle · · Score: 1

    Light still can't travel around corners.

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    1. Re:And in related news.... by InfiniteWisdom · · Score: 1

      Really? Guess you don't believe in fibreoptics then

    2. Re:And in related news.... by Josuah · · Score: 1

      Light still can't travel around corners.

      Sure it can. Try shining a flashlight through a pair of thin vertical slits from a fair distance (so that incoming light is relatively straight at that point). You might be surprised by the light distribution you see on the other side.

      This isn't exactly like a street corner, which I'm guessing you meant in your original post, but the light is still "turning" even though there doesn't appear to be any good reason for it at first thought.

    3. Re:And in related news.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ever hear of Diffraction???

    4. Re:And in related news.... by cruff · · Score: 3, Funny

      I think you just need a handy black hole or two
      to bend the light by gravity. Could play hell with the equipment and personnel losses, though.

    5. Re:And in related news.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Black hole?
      Talk about over-specced.

      How about a flipping mirror?

    6. Re:And in related news.... by jafuser · · Score: 1
      Light still can't travel around corners.

      Not entirely accurate...

      "Waveguide Bends: With photonic crystals, it is possible to create waveguides that permit 90 degree bends with 100% transmission."

      Good site by the way...
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    7. Re:And in related news.... by syle · · Score: 1

      I should have said, "Without help, ..." Good site, though.

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    8. Re:And in related news.... by ScottKin · · Score: 1

      Hmmmm...got one small problem for you:

      The page mentioned shows a diagram at what appears to be in picoangstroms, since the waveguide vector is scaled in p/a.

      Note that the ability to "bend" light in such a medium with a "planned" defect is nearly the same as bending fiber optic strands, but at a microscopic level. The characteristic "bunching-up" of the waveguide shown is analogous to fiber bends - it appears that what is really happening is a shear movement in the waveguide, causing a series of distortions in the crystaline structure of the waveguid, creating microbends in the optical waveguide at a femtoangstrom or nanometric levels; it would be interesting to find out what polarization or orientation the crystaline structure of the waveguide has in relation to the laser input. In the picoangstrom domain, wavelengths are particulary susceptable to refraction and diffraction. It may *appear* as if light is being bent, but I suspect that it's more a case of light passing-through a bunch of tiny refractions defined by the distorion of the waveguide.

      My concern would be the reflection of the photons contained in such a medium when the 90-degree angle is induced - Yes, it would appear that the lightwave would be "turned" at 90-degrees, but would the reflections coming after the bend make the photons "disorganized"? A continuous coherent laser-light would be fine, but what about one that is being switched on-and-off so quickly that reflections from the semi-perpendicular wall provided at the 90-degree turn would cause whatever switching intelligence?

      Also, bear-in-mind that this is also based on a particular wavelength of laser energy, and might not work for all wavelengths, or if the 90-degree bend would induce some kind of resonant feedback or interference.

      90-degree turns *are* possible; however, using the same switching-mirror capabilities found in DLP Projectors or the new breed of Optical Switches - DLP mirrors are on the micron-scale - you can achieve the same results with virtually no refraction/diffraction loss if reflection of the wave is done on the 2nd order harmonic (coincidentally,~90 degrees). Other than that, a very interesting topic on that page.

      ScottKin

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    9. Re:And in related news.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My cat's breath smells like cat food.

  10. Raman amplifiers dangerous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Those little packets are deceptive. If you've ever been tempted to steal a packet from another set of noodles to double up on the flavor, I can tell you don't do it! Way too strong and salty to enjoy. Stick to one packet only and never try snorting the contents. Big mistake.

    1. Re:Raman amplifiers dangerous by spun · · Score: 1

      All depends on how you are eating it. If, like me, you like your noodles without broth, half a packet is fine, if you sprinkle it on after draining. Otherwise, you will need two packets for correct flavor. On the other hand, if you like your noodles with a slight amount of broth, one packet is fine. If you like to use as much broth as the package recommends, sometimes two packets are called for.

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    2. Re:Raman amplifiers dangerous by RobertB-DC · · Score: 1

      One pa-packet, two pa-packet, three pa-packet, four...

      All this is only true if you abuse yourself by eating the Elmer's Glue-derived paste misleadingly called Ramen Noodles by companies like Top Ramen or the too-aptly-named Smack Ramen.

      In college in the 80s, I was introduced to real ramen noodles by some Malaysian friends. They invited me to their apartment and fixed the most wonderful dish, adding fresh vegetables and meat. But the base of the dish wasn't American-style paste-flavored ramen! They told me to check out the oriental food store, so I did.

      Probably the most accessible brand for US folks is Sapporo Ichiban, from Japan. I can't find an English-language web site for the company, but this review sums it up pretty well. The packaging and instructions are in English, so it makes a good start. Although it seems to be available online, you can save the shipping costs by simply visiting your local Asian market, if you live in any large US city. (Side note: I also found Sapporo Ichiban at a convenience store in Corsicana, TX! Coming from the south, take Bus I-45.)

      Once you've mastered Sapporo Ichiban, you will be ready for real adventure. Start with the SI brand noodles with mostly-Japanese text, then move to noodles from all over Asia with no English at all! I've found Vietnamese noodles to be way too fishy, but most everything else has been good. And the best of all is one I just found: a Malaysian brand of noodles that just might be the ones from that delicious dish from Oklahoma State University, long ago.

      My friends also tried to teach me how to say some very vulgar things in Chinese... fortunately, that memory wasn't as enduring as the memory of those noodles.

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    3. Re:Raman amplifiers dangerous by spun · · Score: 1
      This thread has now veered hopelessly off topic, but hey, I have karma to burn, and ramen has a special place in my heart (hehe, cloggin up the arteries, that is) as I lived off the stuff during college. I don't eat the cheap american crap anymore, you are right on the money about the Sapporo Ichiban stuff, it is far better than the americanized brands. If you like ramen, though, I have to recommend my favorite Vietnamese soup, Ph. It's what ramen should be, thick, tasty noddles in incredibly flavorful broth with loads of fresh vegetables. It is often served with very thin strips of raw meat, which one cooks in the near-boiling broth before it cools. Good stuff!

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    4. Re:Raman amplifiers dangerous by spun · · Score: 1

      Oops, that's "Pho" with a circumflex over the o. Thanks for stripping out those dangerous html entities, slashdot.

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  11. If the installation was done by the book... by Baron_Yam · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I don't know how the average fibre installer works today, but I know the few times I played with it, we always installed with corners were gentle enough that a full loop would be about 30 cm. This included ensuring no significant load on the fibre at the attachment points, so no 90 degree bends at the switch or server.

    I'm only talking about the last few feet, not the 'last mile' of course, but if I upped the power and had a fibre failure, I'd be saying very rude things to the rep of the company that did the installation (if they survived the .bomb, of course).

    1. Re:If the installation was done by the book... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      we always installed with corners were gentle enough that a full loop would be about 30 cm.

      what in the circle is 30 cm? math tells us that 2*radius=diameter, and PI*diameter = circumference. so if ?d=30 cm, then your bend radius is roughly 4.7 cm. if your diameter is 30 cm, then your radius is 15 cm, which is still cutting it close (it will probably fail, according to the tests in the article). if 30 cm is your radius, then you're fine. i hope this last possibility is the case.

    2. Re:If the installation was done by the book... by Baron_Yam · · Score: 1

      Oops; my bad. The missing word is, "diameter".

      However, I don't believe that is the problem you indicate - the article measured in millimeters, and I provided centimeters. Hopefully, that means I left my client with significant tolerance in their fibre.

    3. Re:If the installation was done by the book... by appleLaserWriter · · Score: 1

      The article cites bend radii of 5 - 15 mm, which translates into 0.5 - 1.5 cm. So your 4.7 cm bend radius is beyond the range tested in the article.

      Unfortunately, the researchers didn't bother to find a radius that does not result in exploding fibers, so it is possible that they are just running too much light through the fiber.

      Regardless, this news makes me glad I lease bandwidth rather than own fiber.

  12. How many scientists... by superpulpsicle · · Score: 1

    Does it take to discover bending cables are bad?

  13. In other news... by jhines0042 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Scientists today showed that electrical conducting wires can fail when run through a bathtub and that your car won't run after going over a cliff.

    The researchers were said to be "disappointed".

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    1. Re:In other news... by hummassa · · Score: 1

      why are researchers "disappointed"? are they SCO legal researchers?

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    2. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think the jokes about the scientists are really fair here. I'm a scientist myself and I know not to bend my fibers. Indeed, I think the radii of curvature that are often mentioned as safe are in fact quite small. We have much larger radii.
      I should say that we really need single mode light at the end of the fiber. If you don't need that you could probably take the turn a bit tighter then we do.
      The article is basically about scientists saying that the industry doesn't comply with these ground rules in many cases and warns against the danger of that. They say that you should check wether or not the fibers were correctly installed before you up the power. And that is a very valid warning, because the company that installed them for you has probably gone under in the .bomb, so you won't be able to get them to fix it.

  14. KINKS! by mr_luc · · Score: 3, Funny

    They should put some Pantene Pro-V on them fibers.

    It works for me!

    No, wait . . . ok, well, at least that stuff isn't flammable.

    No, wait . . . shit. /me pulls fire alarm.

    1. Re:KINKS! by kasperd · · Score: 1

      Talking about putting flammable stuff in your hair makes me think about some (crazy) guys, who built an orange cannon using hair spray as fuel. It can shoot over 100m.

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  15. Wow! by JoeLinux · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    No kidding? Tight bends in fiber are a problem? You mean all those equations for theta max that we learned the first day in FO engineering class are correct? You gotta be kidding me! What a revolution! Next you'll be telling me that the sky is blue!

    "Let's do this again, only using a method we like to call, 'the right way'"

    1. Re:Wow! by stratjakt · · Score: 1

      To be fair, this is saying that not only will your light start leaking out of the bend (ending your transmissions), but it will basically "melt" the cable and screw it up permanently. And the higher the power, the faster it melts.

      Of course, we all know you shouldnt bend the cables in the first place so it's a moot point.

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  16. In related news... by slusich · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    In related news, cutting the CatV cable at random points through your building can be destructive to your network.

  17. The cause of the failure by groove10 · · Score: 4, Informative

    According to the article the cause of failure is an increase in temperature in the fibers when bent.

    "the damage is caused by an increase in temperature that occurs when the power leaks out of the fiber at a bend and is absorbed by its coating. This either causes the fiber coating to burn off leaving the silica beneath exposed or if the temperature is high enough (around 1100C) the fiber itself deforms giving rise to a large permanent optical loss."

    It would seem that research needs to be done in the optical fiber coatings and their heat transfer properties as the fibers can handle the increased temperature, but the coatings can't. Either that or we are seeing the limits of fiber systems and the amount of load they can carry. Anyone know what the current coatings are made of, or any alternatives to these coatings that would alleviate these problems?

    Perhaps this is a good stock tip... When you hear of a company that has created a new fiber optic coating that increases the amount of heat trasnferred away from fibers, jump on their stock.

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    1. Re:The cause of the failure by O_Chaos · · Score: 1

      Good call groove.. I like the idea on the stock tip, once this starts bearing its ugly head,and a few networks start going down, people will be in a frantic for a better solution..

      Or look out for companies that can up the voltage while keeping the heat down?

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    2. Re:The cause of the failure by pclminion · · Score: 4, Informative
      It would seem that research needs to be done in the optical fiber coatings and their heat transfer properties as the fibers can handle the increased temperature, but the coatings can't. Either that or we are seeing the limits of fiber systems and the amount of load they can carry.

      The problem actually is, when you bend a fiber beyond a certain point, the pulses end up striking the outside wall at an angle steeper than the critical angle. Total internal reflection no longer occurs, and some of the pulse energy escapes the fiber and heats up the coating. The problem isn't that the coating needs to be tougher -- the problem is, the fiber shouldn't be bent that much.

      Now, it seems counterintuitive, but the narrower a fiber is, the more sharply you can bend it without a loss of TIR. This is because a narrower fiber causes the pulse to reflect more rapidly as it goes around the corner, so the total bending angle is distributed over more reflections. This keeps the light in the fiber.

      I see four ways to solve this: 1) replace the fibers with narrower fibers, 2) replace the cladding with cladding that can take the heat dissipation, 3) use a lower transmission power, 4) have someone go out and assess each place where the fiber bends, and make it bend at a shallower angle if necessary.

      Option 3 is pretty much impossible, since you need higher power to get a higher data rate (this is, after all, why the powers keep increasing). I think option 4 is pretty much the best shot.

      Looks like some people forgot basic optics when they were laying the fiber...

    3. Re:The cause of the failure by utmecheng · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't discount the possibility of making the fiber thinner. I know this isn't really an option for lines already in place but there is little reason why future fiber wont be on the nano-scale. http://www.paradigmoptics.com/products/POF/nanosca lefiber.htm

    4. Re:The cause of the failure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      RTFA. THose temperatures are only reached when the fibers are BENT BEYOND SPECIFICATION because the light is EXITING THE FIBER and SHOOTING INTO THE INSULATION. When the bends are within specification you can run as much light as you can pump in becuase the light stays within the fiber.

    5. Re:The cause of the failure by NerdSlayer · · Score: 1

      According to the article the cause of failure is an increase in temperature in the fibers when bent.

      What they failed to mention was that the light source was sharks with fricken laser beams on their heads.

    6. Re:The cause of the failure by jwdg · · Score: 1
      Cue pedantry:

      For singlemode fibre, TIR is not relevant. It's all transmission modes. When the core gets narrow enough only one mode can exist.

      The issue with bending is that you change the geometry and encourage coupling between the core mode and the cladding mode (the cladding being 125 micron it carries plenty of modes.

      I see four ways to solve this: 1) replace the fibers with narrower fibers,

      That doesn't necessarily help in a transmission system - it alters a whole lot of the characteristics. Bear in mind also that singlemode fibre (9 micron core) is much harder to terminate properly than 62.5 multimode.

      2) replace the cladding with cladding that can take the heat dissipation,

      Interesting materials problem. We currently use silica glass because it is flexible, strong and has good optical properties. , I think

      3) use a lower transmission power, 4) have someone go out and assess each place where the fiber bends, and make it bend at a shallower angle if necessary.

      Option 3 is pretty much impossible, since you need higher power to get a higher data rate (this is, after all, why the powers keep increasing). I think option 4 is pretty much the best shot.

      Higher data rates (for same pulse width) have higher duty cycles, so the average power (which is what matters thermally) increases. You're right: fixing the paths to avoid bend loss is the best solution, really. You could always use multiple fibres as well (admittedly although the silica uis cheap, the bits to hang on the ends are more expensive)

    7. Re:The cause of the failure by Freshie · · Score: 1

      You owe me a coffee, and a clean monitor :)

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    8. Re:The cause of the failure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting
      Pedantry for the pedant:

      you need higher power to get a higher data rate (this is, after all, why the powers keep increasing)

      Higher data rates (for same pulse width) have higher duty cycles, so the average power (which is what matters thermally) increases.

      In the applications for which I design fiber optic transceivers, the data is always DC-balanced. The duty cycle is not rate dependent--it's always approximately 50%. Thus, the average power also does not change with data rate.

      You don't need higher power for higher data rates, per se, either. You need higher power if you are trying to go the same distance at a higher data rate.

    9. Re:The cause of the failure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Looks like some people forgot basic optics when they were laying the fiber...

      Yeah, all those physics majors who install cabling for a living should be ashamed of themselves.

  18. New News? by fbg_satan · · Score: 1

    I don't understand how anyone working with fiber would consider this new news.

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  19. "Slight" bends?! Yeah right! by MsWillow · · Score: 3, Informative

    Folks, a 5mm bend is darned tight. 5mm is almost 1/5th of an inch. Even a 15mm bend is pretty tight - just over half an inch.

    I'd take this "study" with a large block of saly, personally. I never bent myheliax abtebba cable this tight, and I doubt that any sane technician would try to bend glass optical cable this tight, either.

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  20. Ummm... by O_Chaos · · Score: 1

    Dont bend the fiber wires??

    I'd think that along with any type of high speed data carrying wire, you really dont want to bend that stuff.

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  21. rest of the story... by sludg-o · · Score: 1

    According to the BT researchers, the damage is caused by an increase in temperature that occurs when the power leaks out of the fiber at a bend and is absorbed by its coating. This either causes the fiber coating to burn off leaving the silica beneath exposed or if the temperature is high enough (around 1100C) the fiber itself deforms giving rise to a large permanent optical loss. The failure occurs more rapidly as the power level rises and the fiber diameter shrinks.

    "A fairly small percentage of the power is absorbed but as it is absorbed it changes the structure of the coating causing some more absorption until there is a run away effect," said Sikora. "Depending on the input power the temperature can easily go up to 1000C or more."


    Yes folks, that's all there was in the story that didn't get posted on the front page of slashdot. 2 more paragraphs and we wouldn't have even needed the link...

  22. This is important. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I recently performed some similar testing of my own. I was horrified to find that if my fibre had a bend radius of less than 5cm and I upped my laser power output to 2.34 gigawatts, the fibre cable would suffer catastophic failure. This failure usually also resulted in a small hole through my wall, my neighbour's wall, his neighbour's wall and so on.

    We must be dilligent in our routing of fibre!

  23. that's what I was always taught... by painehope · · Score: 2, Informative
    I've always been taught to never coil or bend fibre cables tighter than about 45 degrees over a 2 inch span.
    And don't pull hard on fibre cables, that tends to pull the heads away from the rubber coating, making the cables even more exposed to damage. Or to cause a kink that violates the bending contraints.

    While this isn't a life or death situation, even in a production environment ( which should have redundant paths and whatnot built in ), it's probably a big pain in the ass for long runs.
    Having said that, how is this anything new?

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  24. coating by saskwach · · Score: 1

    It said in the article that this stuff happens because the light leaks out the sides of the fiber and messes up the coating...would reflective coating destroy the usefulness of fiber? It seems like it would solve this problem...unless of course it ended up just heating up the fiber and melting it...does anyone know if I'm a complete idiot for suggesting this?

    1. Re:coating by the_pooh_experience · · Score: 1

      MIT is working on this right now using what they call "OmniGuide". However just like most mirrors used in optics, this relies on a DBR-type mirror (i.e. alternating materials at a certain periodicity) around the fiber. As you can imagine, at a bend, this periodicity will become smaller trying to stretch on one side and larger bunching up on the other side. Therefore, I am not sure that this is really the way to go.

  25. Obvious solution by finallyHasANickname · · Score: 3, Informative

    At the car parts store is ugly tubing in a closed "C" profile called wire loom. It is somewhat inflexible. It works. But that gets too much important stuff accomplished without enough consultancy firms and PHB's employed. Sheesh. The next thing you know people will be selling bottled water and canned air! (Shaking head.)

    1. Re:Obvious solution by llefler · · Score: 1

      All our fiber is installed with this type of stuff. But it's larger (2"?) and bright orange. I assume that's so they can charge us $5 a foot when they install it.

      Of course that still didn't stop the Cat or the backhoe from taking it out. (outside the building) :-) Wanna guess what it costs to splice fiber on a Sunday afternoon? Or how much stupidity a construction crew has to have to do it twice?

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    2. Re:Obvious solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I told you hoes were dangerous...

  26. Re:You, sir, are an asshat by asadodetira · · Score: 1

    This would make a nice Sci Fi catastrophic scenario. Actually if it doesnt work, it still can be used in a fictitious technological context.

  27. File this under "Duh!" by ivanmarsh · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Improper handeling and installation of fiber can effect performance and even the operation of the fiber? The hell you say?

    That must be in the book right after "An end-user that constantly runs over their cat5 cable with an office chair might eventually experience connectivity issues." and "Why does my server spontainiously re-boot when it's plugged in a power strip with five HP5000 laser printers?"

    This brought to you by the Ministry for the Preservation of Stating the Obvious.

  28. Sure. by FreeLinux · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Using teleportation technology a malicious individual could remotely install a new high-output DWDM device on the fibre and turn it on. The resulting high-power outpu would surely cause such failures and the authorities would be powerless to trace down who did the teleportation.

    1. Re:Sure. by ScottKin · · Score: 1

      Did you miss your "minimum daily requirement" of pseudo-science brought to you by Star Trek?

      You need to get out of the house more often, dood.

      Grok THIS!

      ScottKin

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  29. Ralph Wiggam says... by Tumbleweed · · Score: 4, Funny

    "I bent my Wookie."

    1. Re:Ralph Wiggam says... by spun · · Score: 1

      Hehe, I love that line. I have a t-shirt with that scene on it. I like Ralph because some part of me wants to be Ralph, dumb but happy rather than smart but sad. Nothing gets Ralph down because he simply doesn't understand it.

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    2. Re:Ralph Wiggam says... by Tumbleweed · · Score: 1

      > I like Ralph because some part of me wants to be Ralph, dumb but happy rather than smart but sad.

      He's also a little scary, though, what with the Leprechaun who tells him to "burn things." *yikes*

      My other fav Ralph line is when the dam bursts, and Ralph is left in his bed in the middle of the street, "I think I wet my bed."

  30. Good to know... by Urkki · · Score: 1

    ...when I'll hopefully be building my own house in a few years. Better allow enough space for optical cabling, adding it afterwards would be a pain if bend radius has to be that big.

    1. Re:Good to know... by spun · · Score: 1

      Yeah, cause 15 millimeters is, like, huge. Wait, no, I measured it, and the word "huge" on my screen is only 13 millimeters.

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    2. Re:Good to know... by Transcendent · · Score: 1

      ...adding it afterwards would be a pain if bend radius has to be that big

      But it's not that big. You can do a 45degree angle within a couple inches of arc length... just don't kink the damn things.

      I just ran Cat5e throughout my house to drops and such... plenty of room for optical cabling to run in its place... just handle it carefully.

  31. Yes! by vgaphil · · Score: 5, Funny

    When I was a student worker I was "volunteered" to pull cable. We were running fiber from the Science Center to the Health Professions building. At the time I had no idea what fiber was even made of, I just knew to take it from point A to point B. It was a pretty fun day though, I still remember swinging on the fiber like it was vine. Good times.

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    1. Re:Yes! by mekkab · · Score: 1

      Yeah- I remember when I was working in my college's AV room my Boss told me about a job posting. They wanted some students to wire the Compsci building with fiber, and they wanted to pay some ridiculously small amount (6, 7 bucks an hour?) such that she said "if I was the kid doing that job and getting paid squat like that, I'd show up High every day."

      Granted- she used to hang with John Waters, so maybe thats not an odd response.

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    2. Re:Yes! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As someone who has over two dozen men working for him running cable and fiber for $6/hour and are happy to have a job, just what kind of spoiled punk are you to call that amount of money "ridiculously small?"

    3. Re:Yes! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd say he's the kind who thinks the amount of pay is "ridiculously small". Given the cost of living these days, I'd agree with him.

      I've pulled cable for a living, in asbestos laden roofs, lied to about by the management, and had a relative remove it from that very same building four years later. I've worked fifteen hour days and been given a little plaque, while the owners pocketed 32000 dollars for the job.

      Needless to say, I don't pull cable for a living anymore.

    4. Re:Yes! by aka1nas · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      You sir, are a fucktard.

    5. Re:Yes! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Happy to have a job pulling cable for 6 bucks an hour? If I did not have to pay taxes I could even pay my mortgage with that! Of course I'd have no money left over for food and bills, but I guess one should be happy to be a modern indentured servant... I suspect the reality of it is ~ resigned to working a cr@p job at nearly cr@p wages with an oblivious boss that thinks he's doing them a favor until something better (like maybe digging ditches) comes along. There is a reason that minimum wage is higher than that in a number of states...

  32. its the high power by wheatking · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ... the "new" thing being reported is the microbends fail by going opaque when higher optical powers are being transmitted in the fibers. For modern systems in most inter-city networks, the number of channels (40, 80, ...) is going up, as is the power per channel. This is a combination not seen earlier in installations where most fibers (bent or not) carried fairly low power signals. Interestingly enough, microscopic dust particles are equally hazardous to the system's health at these high power levels. Dust particles caught in unclean connectors has been known to scatter enough power to fuse/weld (its those friggin laser beams) together the connector parts together. yawn. yes, 42.

    1. Re:its the high power by JUSTONEMORELATTE · · Score: 1

      ... the "new" thing being reported is the microbends fail by going opaque when higher optical powers are being transmitted in the fibers
      The funny thing to me is that this may become a self-regulating condition.
      When carriers first started moving from SONET->CWDM->DWDM, everyone was concerned that packing so much data into a fiber would cause a huge glut of unlit (dark) fiber.
      Now, as more and more power gets shoved down the line, they toast the fibers that used to be functional, forcing them to move over to some of that dark fiber.
      Poof, there goes the glut!

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  33. No more fun... by ItWasThem · · Score: 1

    Dang. I guess now I can't kink the fiber up and hold it till the IT guy looks down the end and gets packets sprayed all over his face as I drop it and run...

  34. The fun starts at really high powers by NCFlipper · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Optical fibres can be used as couplers between two lasers (the second laser amplifies the signal from the first). We use such a system in our lab, where average powers of 40-100W can be sent down a single fibre (multimode in our case). If the surface of the end of the fibre gets scratched, or if dust lands on it, the tip can explode. With each pulse (it's a 25kHz pulsed laser) another piece of fibre is destoyed, and it acts like a fuse. If you don't turn the laser off quickly you can soon lose kilometres of fibre. All that's left is a ringing in your ears and a few bits of scorched plastic.

    1. Re:The fun starts at really high powers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can you, uh, make a film of this? It sounds cool as hell!

  35. We're not saying.... by Valiss · · Score: 1

    'It's important to understand that we're not saying that networks are going to fall over tomorrow, but as powers go up you have to aware this effect could occur under certain circumstances.'

    I'm not saying a meteor is going to hit Earth tomorrow, but I just want you to be aware that it MIGHT happen in the future under certian circumstances.

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  36. Cladding to prevent this? by Mannerism · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Does anyone know of supplemental cladding (preferably something more sophisticated than a thick layer of duct tape) that can be added to the cable at critical points to prevent excessive bending while still allowing a reasonable degree of flexibility?

    1. Re:Cladding to prevent this? by FreeLinux · · Score: 1

      Typically, proper cable chases, conduits and fibre looms limit the abillity to bend the fibre excessively although, they do not prevent excessive lateral force wich results in stretched or broken fibre. I've never tried the duct tape but, it seems like that would work well too. Chalk up another great use for duct tape.

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    2. Re:Cladding to prevent this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      use a plastic pipe.
      put the fibre in the pipe.
      it works.
      do it.

  37. Re:You, sir, are an asshat by Havokmon · · Score: 1
    This would make a nice Sci Fi catastrophic scenario. Actually if it doesnt work, it still can be used in a fictitious technological context.

    Heh. Setec Astronomy..

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  38. Worker Sabotage... by stefanlasiewski · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is a good reason to keep your optical fiber cables hidden when it is outside the server room.

    I've been to more then one place where a major fiber is laying there in the open. I could easily see a disgruntled worker bending the cable a little bit. The fiber in these installations is usually for some mission-critical app, a bend fiber can cause a big financial loss.

    With cut copper cable, it's easy to spot the two broken strands of cable. With fiber, it's harder to spot. Someone could easily bend the cable, and then straighten it out. All that's left is a minor kink in the wire and the plastic sheathing that is discolored from being stretched.

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    1. Re:Worker Sabotage... by stienman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Fortunately for them, there are tools that not only tell you how much signal loss you're experiencing in a given cable (so you can replace a lossy cable) but also tell you where a significant problem exists along the cable. Very useful for underwater and other long links - you have a good idea, to within a few cm, where the problem is. Go to it and splice - but, of course, only if the splice is going to be significantly less lossy than the problem itself.

      -Adam

  39. Re:"Slight" bends?! Yeah right! by gerf · · Score: 1

    No crap, 5mm or 15mm, you're basically creasing the fiber. Imagine a 90 degree bend, with light coming in. Duh, it's going to hit that corner a lot. Duh it'll heat up. Duh, insulation goes bad from heat.

    Slashdot should have an "obvious" topic or tag... or are they catering to the complete idoits who have been showing up more and more?

  40. huh? by Lowen+Na · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Bent Fiber Put Networks at Risk"

    No shit?

    In other new, magnet endanger floppy disk and metal shrapnel is bad for your eyes

  41. The solution? by eyeball · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Maybe we should all be considerate and send data with less 1's and more 0's. When sending emails, don't use uppercase letters, try to use websites that use no graphics, and for gods sake, don't compress or encrypt anything!

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  42. the 'new' thing by theMightyE · · Score: 5, Insightful
    There's been a lot of posts to the effect of 'everyone knows you don't bend a fiber - duh!', but I think they might be missing the point of the article. The article was trying to point out that as laser powers get higher, the bend radius becomes larger since phenomena that don't matter at low power come into effect when you try to cram more optical power into the same fiber.

    I design and build fiber-coupled semiconductor lasers as a day job, and some of the stuff in our R&D lab has a significantly higher power than what is currently used in most systems out there. A fiber bend radius that leaks/absobs x% of the power at 10mW with no difficulty becomes dangerous when you put a 5W laser in the system - the amount of leaked power becomes enough to fry fiber claddings (especially if the fiber was metalized for soldering to a package) and make a crunchy black line where a perfectly good bit of cable had been moments before.

    The take-home message of all of this is that as optical powers go up to increase bandwidth, some existing fiber installation methods may need to be re-thought. That said, I'd doubt that this will have much of an impact on many systems outside of long-haul lines since local systems don't need to have powers of this type to get the bits across town or around an office building.

    1. Re:the 'new' thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >I design and build fiber-coupled semiconductor lasers as a day job

      ...but by night I go by BIF, of BIF and the Backhoe Induced Failures!

    2. Re:the 'new' thing by djh101010 · · Score: 1

      It's the same problem, really, as people touching circuitry and not wearing a static strap. The damage doesn't show immediately, so by the time it does, it's attributed to something other than the real cause.

      No different than someone kinking a cable, trying it, finding it's OK, and forgetting about it for a few months/years. Eventually, someone will get bit by the mistake of years ago.

      As with so many things in the IT field, a mistake now may take a long time to show up, but it will bite you. Be it a server reboot identifying a missed .rc script, or a kinked cable just waiting for you to put a bit too much power into it, or whatever else...mistakes cause problems, eventually. It's still not news, though.

    3. Re:the 'new' thing by rjforster · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I design and build fiber-coupled semiconductor lasers as a day job, and some of the stuff in our R&D lab has a significantly higher power than what is currently used in most systems out there. A fiber bend radius that leaks/absobs x% of the power at 10mW with no difficulty becomes dangerous when you put a 5W laser in the system.

      I used to do that job. Now I don't have a job and the site where I worked is for sale.

      One of our packaging designs for fibre coupled semicondutor lasers was quite old but worked OK. As we ramped up the power of the laser chips we found that the light which wasn't coupled into the core would cause physical distortion of the packaging and move the fibre tip* due to the ammount of heat absorbed by the fibre-cladding to package interface. We fixed it after a fashion for one generation and redesigned the whole package for the next one which was due to see nearly 1W of 980nm ex-facet.

      * You can guess what happens to power vs drive current linearity when the coupling ratio changes with facet output power.

  43. Fiber and connectors by RevMike · · Score: 4, Informative
    I helped do a job installing fiber in a Manhattan office tower almost fifteen years ago. It was being used to interconnect the datacom closets on each floor with a central datacom room. I haven't had reason to use it since.

    Is it still has tedious to put the connectors on the ends?

    When I was doing it, IIRC, the process ran something like this:

    1. Strip the sheath form the fiber.
    2. Epoxy the fiber into a connector, with plenty sticking out from the "business end".
    3. Use a special knife to score the fiber flush with the connector.
    4. Break off the excess fiber.
    5. Attach the connector to a flat round disk which would hold it perfectly perpendicular to a flat surface.
    6. Using increasingly fine grits of "sand paper", polish the end if the fiber perfectly smooth and flush to the connector by rubbing it (and the disk) in a figure-8 pattern.
    7. Inspect the termination with a microscope.
    1. Re:Fiber and connectors by stienman · · Score: 2, Funny

      8. Place cut strand upright in co workers chair

      -Adam

    2. Re:Fiber and connectors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      yep, still done the same way.

      there is now a 'cold' method that does away with the epoxy, the fiber is cleaned and placed in a special connector then placed in a mechanical device that's sorta like a spring loaded hammer.

      cock the device and press the lever and a die squishes the connector tightly to the glass without crushing it.

      still have to polish and all that.

  44. Bent Bishops by chmilar · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Is this related to "Bent Bishop puts Episcopalian Church at Risk?"

    Are networks prejudiced to "straight" fibers? Will there be protests?

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  45. Does it affect content? by HarveyBirdman · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    Judging by some of the content of the Internet, I'd say all the fibers are seriously bent.

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  46. Or even not-so-high powers by Mark+of+THE+CITY · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In grad student (chemistry) days I ran an apparatus for stimulated, mass-selective Raman spectroscopy of molecular clusters. The Raman pump beam was two colors, generally tuned for power (a watt or two each, depending on tuning). The molecular clusters were formed in a vacuum chamber and we had a quartz window to let the laser light in. If there was a speck of dust on the window at the point the beam entered, the absorption was sufficient to start drilling a hole in the window. The noise was our cue to cut the laser beam before the window was breached (there were dedicated electronic circuits to protect the vacuum chamber's diffusion pumps, but we didn't want to take the risk of failure).

    Of course, we spent a lot of time cleaning that window, and for that matter all the optics.

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    1. Re:Or even not-so-high powers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      What two colors of Raman did you use? Personally, I like the pink (shrimp) and yellow (chicken) together.

      Because there weren't enough raman jokes attached to this story yet, that's why.

    2. Re:Or even not-so-high powers by Mark+of+THE+CITY · · Score: 1

      We pumped the dye laser with a doubled YAG output (532 nm, green). The dye was usually Rhodamine 690, tuned for power (unless that put us near an electronic resonance, which we didn't want) and, IIRC, it was orange-red. I don't have my notebook handy, and this was 6 - 11 years ago :).

      If you're interested in the details, look up papers authored by Peter M. Felker in Chem Abstracts.

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  47. Multimode vs. single-mode by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's perfectly possible for multimode fiber to be glass and single-mode to be plastic. The difference is the diameter of the waveguide itself. Single-mode fibers (At least the waveguide portion, the total fiber is usually similar in thickness for structural reasons) are much thinner than multi-mode fibers, only allowing one waveguide "mode" to exist. (Hence single-mode). Each mode in a waveguide travels at slightly different velocities (Actually, in reality the light travels in the same speed, but certain modes travel longer distances due to the way they bounce within the waveguide), so multimode fiber suffers from pulse spreading since not all of the light travels the same distance.

    Glass vs. plastic - Glass is always more transparent. As a result, singlemode fibers ARE usually made from glass since there's not much point in reducing pulse spreading if your attenuation is not reduced.

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    1. Re:Multimode vs. single-mode by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Multimode fibre is stepped in cross section, to allow multiple gradients and reflective paths.

      The choice between glass and plastic is "merely" economics and operational parameters.

    2. Re:Multimode vs. single-mode by awebus · · Score: 2, Informative
      Actually, in reality the light travels in the same speed, but certain modes travel longer distances due to the way they bounce within the waveguide
      I believe that chromatic dispersion occurs independantly of the path through the fibre the different modes take. Depending on the free spectral range and fibre length, this dispersion may or may not be significant.
    3. Re:Multimode vs. single-mode by Shane-24 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Just one more note as to why glass fibres are usually single mode, and plastic multimode: Glass fibres, while extremely low loss (especially in the infrared (1.55 and 1.3 microns)), also tend to be brittle. Thus the standard single mode fibre with these only has about 8 micron core diameter, while a multimode fibre has a core diameter of about 50 microns - half the width of a hair. Plastic optical fibre (POF), tends to be cheaper and much more flexible, allowing for tighter bends and thicker fibres (~1mm cores). However losses are far higher (especially in the infrared - the standard wavelength of use for PMMA based fibres is 650nm) Now, single mode fibres are necessary for long distance communication, due to the modal dispersion mentioned in the last post, and again silica is fantastic for this due to its extremely low loss. However multi-mode is fine for shorter distances, and this is really where POF is really seeing use.

  48. simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    DOn't use fiber to tie up your girlfriend to the bed posts while downloading pr0n.

  49. Nothing like bending fiber.. by TypoNAM · · Score: 1

    It's so fun that my network crashed and bursts into flames! Somebody put that server out! ;)

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  50. Optical Powers by dlosey · · Score: 1

    Wouldn't that be AITHER from Greek Mythology?

    Optical Powers.. Light God... God of Light...

    I crack myself up!

    1. Re:Optical Powers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Optical Powers.....

      That'd be Austin's geeky brother with the glasses.....

  51. But Bart Says by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get Bent.

    I'm suprised I'm the first to post this.

  52. Where to bend by mobileskimo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Aside from the obvious, DUH!, the biggest problem I've found is right at the equipment where the plug is. Most equipment have the plug hole perpendicular to the front face (insert sexual pun here). Consequently, the LEDs and labels and everything else is on the face as well, so most engineers/technicians try to keep it clean. Keeping it clean is why the bending happens. I've only seen a few equipment vendors make plug holes that were at an offset angle more lateral to the face. Smart design. More equipment vendors need to follow.

    Cisco are you listening? Ya dumb clod.

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  53. A good use for certain spam by spun · · Score: 1

    Simply save all your viagra spam and transmit it down the bent cable, that'll straighten it out!

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  54. Not offtopic - Funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This should be modded funny, not off-topic.

  55. Fear by Cyno · · Score: 1

    Are you affraid of what might put your network at risk? Then let me help you be affraid:

    If you know nothing about networks your network could be at risk of:

    bent fiber
    bent copper
    bent pins
    unseated memory
    old equipment
    unlocked network closets
    lazy admins
    stupid users
    uneducated management
    sun spots
    anything
    everything

    Get the point?

  56. 500 mW it A LOT of power by mrand · · Score: 3, Informative

    And I'm not kidding. Using dBm = 10 log10[ P / 1 mW], you get 27 dBm.

    Most lasers in the telecommunications world run between -10 dBm and 5 dBm. Over a good fiber link, you can reach over 100km with a couple dBm.

    EDFAs and Raman amplifiers may be up in the 20 or 30 dBm range, but they are not widely used, nor will they ever be. You only need that much power for very long runs - like between remote cities in the mid-West US.

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    1. Re:500 mW it A LOT of power by cetialphav · · Score: 1

      Actually, think DWDM systems. In the Metro market, it is common to have 32 channel systems. With each channel putting out +6 dBm and amplifiers in the mix, you can easily get to 27 dBm and above. Long-haul DWDM systems can generate even more power.

      You would probably be surprised at how many amplifiers are used in applications that are within a city.

  57. eh by 1310nm · · Score: 1

    When people do fiber audits on carrier networks on large cables, they macrobend fiber and watch an OTDR to see where it's bent. This is nothing new, but I will say that I've seen fiber bent worse than this that has been carrying carrier-grade equipment light for years.

  58. Fire risk? by CausticWindow · · Score: 1

    "Depending on the input power the temperature can easily go up to 1000C or more."

    Network failure is bad, but isn't the fire risk an even greater danger?

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  59. duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Raise your hand if you didn't know bending fiber optic at sharp angles was bad

  60. No need for that by hummassa · · Score: 1

    Just a solar eclipse...

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    1. Re:No need for that by ScottKin · · Score: 1

      ummmm...I think you're confused with the NATURAL gravitational effect of the Sun to light coming from distant stars. It is *not* caused by Solar Eclipses!

      It's always there - we just need a Solar Eclipse to actually view the phenomenon...that is, unless you want to take a peek right at the Sun with my Telescope...here...have a look!

      And I thought that most people who posted on /. have a little bit of intelligence!

      ScottKin

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    2. Re:No need for that by hummassa · · Score: 1

      I don't want to make the same mistake you did (insulting me). If I wasn't clear enough, that's exactly what I said: there is no need traveling near a black hole just to witnessing gravitational bending of the light... just watch the sun while a eclipse is ocurring... ohboy.

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  61. Recent network debug... by appleLaserWriter · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I was recently called in to investigate network trouble at an office. The network laser printer frequently went offline and lost jobs, and no one could figure out why. I traced the cable and found that it went through a door hinge before plugging into the ether switch. The door couldn't close completely due to the cat-5 cable, and there was about 6" of "bite marks" along the cable where it had been pinched between the door and the frame. Changing the cable and rerouting away from any doors (the office had a drop ceiling, so that was easy) fixed the problems.

    I was most surprised by this because the office was in support of an adjacent colocation facility which had beautifully structured fiber and copper running from rack to rack. But I've seen frat houses with better wiring than the office!

    1. Re:Recent network debug... by swordboy · · Score: 1

      The door couldn't close completely due to the cat-5 cable, and there was about 6" of "bite marks" along the cable where it had been pinched between the door and the frame.

      It doesn't even have to be that obvious.

      A large building will "move" based on wind input. It need not be a high-rise skyscraper - just a steel structure with enough surface area to catch a significant amount of wind energy (buildings by a freeway or major road will also be susceptible to movement due to the subsequent shaking of the earth).

      The cabling subsystems in the building will eventually tear/fray/rip themselves if the installer is not careful. If you've ever had a network drop lose continuity for not reason, this is likely the cause.

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  62. Not applicable in the enterprise at this point by petrilli · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Today, normal enterprise/campus networks don't work with any amount of power, quite honestly. Horizontal building cable is almost exclusively copper or multi-mode fiber, and riser/inter-building cable is single-mode, but relatively cheap stuff. Where this kind of thing comes into play is in the long-haul networks of companies like AT&T, Level 3, Sprint, etc., where you have 100Km+ between OA (Optical Amplifier) sites.

    Many people are working to extend the OA interval to 600Km through doped and Raman amplifiers, which are giving you launch powers in the 30db+ range, and are starting to approach the powers that can do this. However, as someone pointed out, none of this happens with normal correct fiber installation. I know my company, which runs a large (tens of thousands of miles) network has reams of paper describing exact splice tray designs, stress on cables, bend angles. It goes down to how you support things going in and out of a OA, etc., and addresses the radius, which I believe we try and keep around 15-20cm minimum.

    If you follow smart rules, these don't matter. If you don't, well, it probably won't affect anyone who is working outside the large telco space. The cost of an EDFA (Erbium doped fiber amplifier) is tens of thousands of dollars.

    No story, move along. :-)

  63. This is ridiculous! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Having worked at JDS Uniphase (world's biggest fiber component manufacturer) for several years, the minimum bend radius is not a suggestion, it is a requirement, especially when you crank the laser power. READ THE LABELS AND FOLLOW THEM!!!

    But, when you try make something idiot-proof, the world will make a better idiot.

    Long-term, I think the only solution is change the plastic cladding, so that it can't be bent beyond the minimum radius of the fiber.

    (and no, I don't work at JDS anymore. But it was fun and I made a pile on the stock :)

  64. Argh, s/maximum/minimum/g by pclminion · · Score: 1

    Obviously I meant the minimum radius of curvature, not the maximum.

  65. Can you get that tight a bend unintentionally? by dpbsmith · · Score: 1

    When we did our first (thickwire) Ethernet installation, we were impressed with all the warnings about the importance of maintaining, IIRC, a six inch bend radius. Just for fun, we took a scrap piece with the idea of bending it too sharply just to see what would happen. What we found was that the cable was very, very hard to bend. It seemed that you'd need tools--or a very muscular person trying very deliberately to bend it--to violate the spec.

    So, what's the situation with optical fiber? A 13 mm bend diameter sounds likea pretty sharp bend to me. Is it something that you could easily do unintentionally? Or only something that happens when you know you're in a tight spot and are deliberately forcing it?

    1. Re:Can you get that tight a bend unintentionally? by swordgeek · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Um, have you payed with optical fibre at all? It's entirely unlike thicknet (coax) cable.

      It's quite possible to bend optical cable to that small of a diameter. On the other hand, they warn you about it endlessly. Only the chronically stupid should have to worry about this.

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  66. Re:Bends-Spinal wrap. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You've never played Twister, have you?

  67. Wrong issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Compression and tension are not the issues. The failure is not a result of material properties. Optical fibers leak energy at bends becasue the electromagnetic field is not completely contained within a fiber.

    The parent of this comment is greatly overrated.

    1. Re:Wrong issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I understand you argument, I think my post comes off a bit misconstrued, and absolute. I was actually just trying to make a few interesting points, particularly when dealing with conductive wire.

      I also agree that the story is referring to bending that allows light to intersect the wall at a high enough angle of incidence to prevent proper reflecting. But despite what you may want to hear, the angle of incidence is a material dependent property.

      I assume that we both agree that the cable is in compression and tension when bent. I wonder if the bending has any affect on the material, such as increasing/decreasing the angle of incidence of the volume being stressed? What about creating distortions in the material, etc.? What do you think?

      AC

    2. Re:Wrong issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since there is no ferromagnetic materials, and no electrical charge carriers involved in a fibre optic cable (the part between the transducers), you might want to edit that post. In fact, given it's such a gross lapse, you might want to locate a primer on the subject as well.

      There is indeed compression and other mechanical factors at work here, including material properties.
      Failure modes depend on several variables, not the least one is bend radii.

    3. Re:Wrong issue by lightsaber1 · · Score: 2, Informative
      I wonder if the bending has any affect on the material, such as increasing/decreasing the angle of incidence of the volume being stressed? What about creating distortions in the material, etc.? What do you think?

      To spell it out for those that have no optics knowledge. Brewster's angle (which depends on the relative index of refraction of the two materials involved) is the minimun amgle at which all of the light will be reflected. If the light hits the coating at an angle smaller than this (from the perpendicular), it'll go through into the plastic coating. This means not only signal loss, but heating. Heat and stress tend to change the indices of refraction, thereby changing the Brewster's angle...which in turn can cause more signal loss, and so on. THAT is why bends in optical cables is so bad.

      With non-optical cables it's not as critical, but a minimum bend radius will prevent breaking/wear/impedence, a totally different problem with the same end result.

  68. Yes, and Bender says, by Openadvocate · · Score: 1

    bite my shiny metal ass!

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  69. What types?? by Servo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The article states that 4 different types of fiber were tested, but doesn't state what those types are, or related too. There are different materials fiber optic cabling can be made out of, as well as different diameters. Were they talking about different diameters, or the materials?

    This was obviously written for a somewhat technical audience, given the subject matter and source that published it. By omitting the facts of which 4 types they tested, it really doesn't do justice to the subject. For all we know, they tested low end cabling made from plastics.

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  70. Do tougher cables help? by swb · · Score: 1

    We repulled all our fiber when we moved our data center. The old fiber was lame plastic jacketed single strands.

    The new stuff has 8 strands and is inside what I can only describe as being like Liquidtight Metallic Conduit -- a heavy plastic jacket over a coiled metal jacket. Where it's pulled and "publicly" accessable (common closets), it'd be impossible to bend it without a hacksaw.

  71. somebody! mod the parent up. by Paul+d'Aoust · · Score: 1

    AAAAAA! Blast it! I'm all out of mod points!

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  72. VERY OLD NEWS by Donelurking · · Score: 2, Informative

    I spent many years working in fiber optics. Bending-induced failure modes have been well known for decades.

    1. Re:VERY OLD NEWS by Phil+John · · Score: 1

      Wow, that must have been cramped... (*rimshot*)

      Thanks, I'll be here all week, try the steak! ;o)

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    2. Re:VERY OLD NEWS by Litterbox · · Score: 0

      I *don't* work with fiber optics and thought the same thing ...

  73. Why wire a house? by djh101010 · · Score: 1

    Is 802.11(a,b,g) not fast enough for you? Wherever you put the wire/fiber/whatever, it'll be in the wrong place and obsolete in 5 years. If your feed isn't faster than, say, 11Mb/second, why bother with anything other than wireless?

    1. Re:Why wire a house? by Urkki · · Score: 1
      How about digital video and audio (consumer tech is not there yet, but maybe in 2 years there's something in the horizon at least...)?
      Or just fast RAID array in the basement?
      Or no extra lag for network gaming, where every ms counts?
      And you need to have the cable connecting the WLAN access point(s) to the network anyway.

      Though copper is still prolly a better choice in 2 years than fiber... But it'll be some kind of cables and gigabit ethernet as the backbone of my network, unless something really surprising and new comes up before then.

  74. Makers fault by mnmn · · Score: 1

    Manufacturers should build them stiffer or add a structure that doesnt allow the fibers to be bent that much. It will be really hard for network admins to lay their cables *very carefully* only to trip on it and break it.

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    1. Re:Makers fault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's the "Build a better idiot" problem.

      No matter how much time, energy, money and cost, someone'll blow it up.

      Would you pay (per foot) to have an "unbreakable" cable when you knew that a little following the directions would eliminate the problem completely? By the way, the cost would likely double the cost of the fibre.

      And as someone's already pointed out, they may not have exceeded the bend radii for power level xxx, just power level yyy, which wasn't IN EXISTENCE when the cable was put in.

      To save money, people will do amazing things. Look up "overclocking" and "water cooling".

  75. new heating element? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "A fairly small percentage of the power is absorbed but as it is absorbed it changes the structure of the coating causing some more absorption until there is a run away effect," said Sikora. "Depending on the input power the temperature can easily go up to 1000C or more." I read this too, not sure how much power is required but it seems like a good heating element.

  76. Gawd Damn by NoCoward · · Score: 1

    Damn, slow down Timmy. Quality not quantity. How is this even interesting? Who cares, there are plenty of potential problems when you design networks. Are we going to have a story about each of them?

  77. For everyone too lazy to read....Undercover by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    3) Don't click on TubaGirl or Goatse.cx links.

  78. What's new? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everybody who uses single mode fibers know not to bend them, because bending induces mode mixing. Bend the fiber and it's not single mode anymore.

  79. Mechanisms of dispersion by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 1

    Chromatic dispersion (Different wavelengths traveling at different speeds) and modal dispersion (Different modes traveling at different speeds.) are two different mechanisms.

    While eliminating modal dispersion won't eliminate chromatic dispersion, IIRC, modal dispersion is a MUCH larger effect than chromatic dispersion. (From what I recall from three years ago, it was an order of magnitude more - I'd have to dig up my old notebooks from my optics class.)

    Also, there's no way to reverse modal dispersion, while chromatic dispersion can be reversed by using fiber of two different materials - One that causes longer wavelengths to travel faster, and a second one that causes longer wavelengths to travel slower, reversing the effects of dispersion in the first section of fiber.

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    1. Re:Mechanisms of dispersion by awebus · · Score: 1
      Chromatic dispersion (Different wavelengths traveling at different speeds) and modal dispersion (Different modes traveling at different speeds.) are two different mechanisms. While eliminating modal dispersion won't eliminate chromatic dispersion, IIRC, modal dispersion is a MUCH larger effect than chromatic dispersion. (From what I recall from three years ago, it was an order of magnitude more - I'd have to dig up my old notebooks from my optics class.) Also, there's no way to reverse modal dispersion, while chromatic dispersion can be reversed by using fiber of two different materials - One that causes longer wavelengths to travel faster, and a second one that causes longer wavelengths to travel slower, reversing the effects of dispersion in the first section of fiber.
      I think you're right, modal dispersion has a much larger affect on propagation, but it can be eliminated - by using single mode fibre.