New Transmeta Chip: "Efficeon"

ddtstudio writes "Oh, "Astro" was such a friendly name -- but it probably had trademark issues. So the alphabet blender came up with "Efficeon" instead. This eWeek story gives the lowdown on what Transmeta is doing apres Linus. There's also a writeup on ExtremeTech."

Comments

Marketing

[mjmalone]

From the article:

Transmeta is the "number two" vendor in the ultraportable mainstream notebook market

Is that why nobody knows about them? Maybe they should focus some attention on advertising, I don't think many people outside the tech industry knows about Transmeta. Intel spends a rediculous amount of money on product marketing, and when many people get a new computer they want "Intel Inside" because it's what they know. I think if any competitor really wants to break into the chip industry and compete with the big boys they are going to have to get their name out, the real differences between one chip versus another are not very obvious to the consumer, brand recognition is what drives sales.

Re:Marketing

[Anonymous Coward]

That's why VIA is becoming more and more popular. If you think "ultra-small sized PCs" you have to think mini-ITX, and VIA EPIA.

This is what I think (may be biased by publicity, but that's exactly my point) :
Intel = reliable, industry standard (never had any Intel die, even since the 8086 days)
AMD = power, speed, will burn without good heat dissipation (had two AMDs die on me, installed professionally. Will never buy AMD again)
VIA = low-heat, small size (currently two projets using EPIA boards)

Re:Marketing

[Raul654]

Transmetta specializes in low power computing. That's their niche - processors that don't eat up much energy. This really isn't a direct-sale market. The stuff they make is built into other devices. So their job is to convience sony and/or palm or whoever makes the low power (read - portable) devices that they are the ones to talk to. So I don't think there's really a need to become well known outside the computing industry.

Re:Marketing

[dodell]

Then again, there needs to be a budget for said ridiculous amounts of money.

I think Transmeta is doing a good job getting their chips marketed. HP is including them in their products; this seems to me to be a pretty good method of advertising in the first place -- if your product is already accepted by a major manufacturer, you're halfway there. Then again, I don't think they're in precisely the same market as Intel in the first place.

Re:Marketing

[bogie]

What good is it for Transmeta to advertise like Intel does when unlike Intel you probably can't go to your local store and buy a machine with a Transmeta cpu in it?

"I think if any competitor really wants to break into the chip industry and compete with the big boys they are going to have to get their name out, the real differences between one chip versus another are not very obvious to the consumer, brand recognition is what drives sales."

No not really, the people who buy from big boys already know about Trasmeta and choose not to use them. There is not a single largescale oem who doesn't know that they have around 4 to 5 cpu's to choose from when building systems, be it set top boxes or mainstream PC's.

What Transmeta needs to do as our friend AMD knows so well, it to lock up more oem deals. Not being an industry insider when it comes to cpu sales I have no idea how aggresive they are, but seeing that Transmeta cpu's aren't inside anything I'm considering buying I'd say they aren't doing a very good job.

So in short yes they need to do more advertising, but not outside the tech industry like your advocating. Transmeta needs more big vendors deals then the rest will take care of itself.

Re:Marketing

[advocate_one]

"Obviously, we don't have the $350 million Intel has" to spend on marketing, he said.

$350 million buys a lot of presence in magazines etc... Similar problem for linux in trying to get past the reams of Microsoft bought advertorials etc. in the magazines as well...

Transmeta's Efficeon will have to compete on it's technical merits, and when people who matter realise that it offers a much better power consumption, lower temperatures and much longer battery life they'll start to take it up. 3 hours or so with Intel Celeron 1500 is just not on when I was used to some 24 hours or so battery life on my old 8086. Hopefully, the Efficeon will enable them to make notebooks that can cope with a complete working day or more away from the mains outlet... RAM's cheap enough these days to enable them to give it a seriously large cache so as to minimise HD usage, and sticking the OS in a bootable flash disk will improve matters as well. Now we just need a very low power display technology such as high res colour "electronic ink" based thin displays

Re:Marketing

[DrinkDr.Pepper]

Transmetta specializes in low power computing. That's their niche - processors that don't eat up much energy. This really isn't a direct-sale market. The stuff they make is built into other devices. So their job is to convience sony and/or palm or whoever makes the low power (read - portable) devices that they are the ones to talk to. So I don't think there's really a need to become well known outside the computing industry.

True, but companies who make consumer devices would be more inclined to listen to Transmeta if consumers were demanding devices with Transmeta processors. The way to convice consumers is with direct marketing. If you were correct, Intel wouldn't need to targer consumers either, since most of Intel's sales are to OEM, not direct either.

Re:Marketing

[realdpk]

If I start getting direct marketing from Transmeta, I will be seriously pissed. I get enough direct marketing every day already, I don't need more junk stuffed in my mailbox or telemarketers on my phone, not to mention spam in my e-mail.

Re:Marketing

[TheViffer]

And 640K is enough for anyone ...

I completly disagree with your posts.

First low power consumption is become more and more and issue. Electricity is not cheap, and with more and more computers in organizations, they are looking for ways to cut down on the electricity bill.

This is two fold because with lower power consumption means less heat. Walla .. save MORE electricity by not running huge, or as many air conditioning units.

This even falls back to home use. 10 years ago running your own home server was a "pipe dream" and not needed. Now just about every slashdot reader has some sort of server(s) running. I myself only run a Duron 1000 due to is low power consumption and cooler temperatures. For serving up files and a few dns, web hits is more then enough. After switch DOWN from a Palamino cored Athlon to this, I saw my monthly electric usage decline.

And your mention of not needing to market is just wrong. They should be out there stating ...

We run cooler ..
We run cheaper ..

And add in a few plugs .. We run faster, better, cheaper, blah blah blah. Go to the extent of showing a picture of an Athlon frying an egg on one picture and a piece of ice sitting on a Trasmetta CPU. And by marketing their name, people come to know it, and trust it more, which mean people will be more interested in products with their chips, which mean more companies will seek out Transmetta chips which mean more revenue.

Why does BASF advertise .. "We dont make 'jack', we just make 'jack' better"

My 0010 cents worth.

Performance over name

[xxltjx]

I've always looked for performance over name brand, and if this chip can do what the article says it can do...it could give Intel a run for it's money in the portable marketplace.

Re:Performance over name

[Hoser McMoose]

I don't know about that. They are promising only 50-80% improvements over their old Crusoe 5800 processor. That would put them as being about on-par with the chips that Intel had out two years ago when the Crusoe 5800 was first available, but it'll have a hell of a time competing with the chips that Intel is producing now, let alone 6+ months from now when this new Transmeta processor actually starts shipping.

I think that the real question will be how well this chip can compete with Intel's Ultra Low Voltage (ULV) Mobile Celeron line of processors. The two chips will have comperable power consumption (5-10W max, typical of under 5W) and probably won't be too far off one another in terms of price. Previous Transmeta chips have had a heck of a time keeping up with even the slowest mobile Celeron chips that Intel had available (read: they kind of kept up in MS Office, but got pretty well thrashed for everything else), but maybe this newer chip will bring performance up a bit.

Efficon?

[YU Nicks NE Way]

Does anyone besides me read this as "F-ing Con"? Maybe my problem is that seems like a good description of Transmeta's current business model.

Re:Efficon?

[g0at]

The first two things it conjured in my mind were "efface" (eraser), and "defecate". Hmm...

-b

Re:Efficon?

[qtp]

Does anyone besides me read this as "F-ing Con"? Maybe my problem is that seems like a good description of Transmeta's current business model.

Incompetant at marketing, maybe. But that does not mean they are conning anyone. If you had tried a laptop that uses thier Crusoe chip, you would know that thier chips deliver exactly as promised: Extremely efficient use of power and extended battery life (eight plus hours in many models) with acceptable performance. The con game in laptops is convincing users that they need a P4.

whats the big deal

[minus_273]

about transmeta chips.. i know they dont perform as wellad ppc or x86 chips but from what i have heard, they have low power consumption in comparison to the more power fuke chips..
The one thing that intrrugued me the most (and this is after i saw a friends sony viao) was that these chips make up for the lack of speed in th ability to emulate any processor.. so i ask this: has anyone done it.Have you run ppc software on your transmeta chip... or anythign like that?

Re:whats the big deal

[Nerant]

Transmeta chips are essentially a VLIW CPU, surrounded by a sophisticated JIT compiler that translates and compiles x86 code to the native instruction set of the VLIW CPU, and then runs the code.
This allows Transmeta to save on die space. Smaller die = less transistors = less heat = less power.
Unfortunately, this approach so far has yielded substandard performance. And even though power consumption was better than Intel's mobile processors for awhile, Intel quickly geared up, threw money and engineers at the problem, and came out with the Pentium M.
Arstechnica.com has speculated before that Transmeta could easily use the same approach to optimise for speed/performance as opposed to power consumption : I'm hoping they do.

Re:whats the big deal

[msgmonkey]

They did when Linus was there and it ran *slower* because the VLIW instruction set could not exploit enough parallelism at compile-time. Itanium also has the same problems.

Re:whats the big deal

[JamesP]

The Big Deal is

Pentium 4-M 2.0Ghz = Thermal Design 32W (but actual power dissipation is higher)

Crusoe = 1W

About the "substandart" performance, the JIT compiler is optimized constantly (on the fly) so every benchmark runs faster every time it's run.

BTW, why do you mean by "substandart" performance? You don't need a P4 to use Word/Excel or listen to MP3 while surfing the net. My old PII 333 did that w/ no sweat.

Playing DVD's you say... It can play them... Without dropping frames.

Re:whats the big deal

[Erich]

Really? Interesting. I would figure it could never be as fast as native x86, it's all still emulation.

"Native x86" really doesn't exist. Since the AMD K5 and Intel Pentium Pro, x86 instructions are translated into smaller, RISC-like instructions inside the processor.

Instead of doing this translation in hardware, Transmeta does this in software, and it enables a lot of optimization while (at the same time) vastly reducing the amount of hardware resources required to do wide, out-of-order execution.

They get varied results -- some things go much, much faster on the Transmeta, but it's very bad at doing other things (especially things like self-modifying code).

The internal architecture is also very geared towards translation and running translated code. There are features that allow it to run a bunch of code in a translation that is fast, but not safe. If there is a problem with this unsafe translation (memory exception or something) the execution can be rewinded (rewound?) into a known-good state and a slower translation or interpretation can be used.

Transmeta has released some good papers on this whole thing. If you're interested in this kind of thing, you might want to also check out HP's Dynamo and Intel's DAISY.

Yay, clever computer architecture!

Re:whats the big deal

[Yokaze]

Well, it might be based on the PIII and has adopted some parts of the P4. But it has some more radical changes.

It has more in common with Transmeta than one might think. It features Micro-Op Fusion (TM)(R)(C). After translating the Ops into muOps they are reassembled to, how do they call them? Not-LIW, no.., ah.. Macro-instruction, which can be executed more efficiently.

But why should I smatter. Use the source Luke.

God Dammit!

[illuminata]

Why do companies like Intel, AMD, and Transmeta keep having to name processors so they sound like they came straight from the mouth of Rob Schneider's SNL character The Richmeister?

The Celer-on, the Opter-on, the Athl-on, the Effice-on.

It's not good for marketing, guys! Everybody hates Rob Schneider!

Efficeon...

[Anonymous Coward]

...sounds rather lameon.

Trademark, not copyright

[_fuzz_]

You can't copyright a name, but you can trademark it.

So...

[dex22]

The English will be able to enjoy their Efficeon Chips!

That joke is so bad, I'm questioning if I should post it.

Ahhh, whatever!

Alternative name

[Anonymous Coward]

I propose we stop with these new-fangled blender names. I propose Transmeta call this new chip "The Scotsman."

Nothing is cheaper with the power than "The Scotsman!" Cue intel-sounding theme, but with bagpipes.

Re:Alternative name

[Lord_Slepnir]

Actually, with the amount of noise my Intel cooling fan puts off, I'd prefer to have a scotsman playing bagpipes next to my ear.

What's wrong...was Excretion taken?

[AtariAmarok]

What an awful name. I think someoen used one of those name generator software packages

"Rrropyright Rrrissues!"

[mariox19]

You're darn right there were copyright issues with the name "Astro."

I am become Efficeon, saver of batteries!

[RatBastard]

Behold my power saving and dispair!

Efficeon : eff - ice - on : oxymoronic deviance :)

[notetoi]

From dictionary.com
eff: v : have sexual intercourse with; "This student sleeps with everyone in her dorm"; "Adam knew Eve" (know is archaic); "Were you ever intimate with this man?" [syn: love, make out, make love, sleep with, get laid, have sex, know, do it, be intimate, have intercourse, have it away, have it off, screw, fuck, jazz, hump, lie with, bed, have a go at it, bang, get it on, bonk]

So all this time, "Take a cold shower" actually meant..... Nevermind!

Copyright != Trademark

[John Hasler]

> Oh, "Astro" was such a friendly name -- but it
> probably had copyright issues.

Please. Get it straight. Trademark, not copyright.

You just know...

[rarose]

any chip named Efficeon is going to get beat up on the way to school for being a little fruity.

--Freeword Associations--
Athlon=Athletic
Opteron=Optimal
Pentium=Pent up energy
Celeron=Celerity... or maybe Celebrity

Efficeon=Efficient? That's a compliment like saying the fat girl has a good personality.

Re:You just know...

[Jordy]

Weird things you find on Google:

Duron = durare (Latin) "to last" + -on "unit"
Opteron = optimus (Latin) "best" + -on "unit"
Athlon = athlon (Greek) "prize"
Celeron = celere (Latin) "quick" + -on "unit"
Radion = "radiare" (Latin) "to emit light" + -on "unit"
Pentium = pente (Greek) "five" + (marketspeak?)

I'm guessing about Efficeon.. but:
Efficeon = "efficiens" (Latin) "to produce"? + -on "unit"

From the English Language Ministry

[giminy]

what Transmeta is doing apres Linus

The use of french words are no longer allowed in courriel^Wemail.

the name "Efficeon"

[Maimun]

According to a this article , "Efficeon" was chosen because the former name violated the trademarks of an animation company, Hanna-Barbara. Strange, because these are unrelated products.

You sure it's not the....

[Blenderkitty]

Transmeta Effaceon...The chip that hates itself.

Powering an android near you soon.

DDR, eh?

[yerricde]

From the article:

Additional features include the use of HyperTransport buses and support for fast double-data-rate (DDR) memory.

So will I be able to turn it all the way up to "Max 300"?

Autobots for the 21st Century

[NanoGator]

Efficeon sounds like an Autobot that transforms into a flourescent bulb.

Famous trademarks

[yerricde]

Strange, because these are unrelated products.

Under U.S. law, A product name can still conflict with a completely unrelated product's trademarked name if the other trademark is a "famous trademark" as defined in the Trademark Dilution Act.

Besides, another user pointed out that Motorola, a semiconductor company, sells a product called "Astro".

The new processor... runs damn cold!

[rice_burners_suck]

Intel today announced its new 1024-bit (1 kilobit) microprocessor architecture technology. Named the Shiitakeum, Intel's new processor core boasts powerful new technologies which will enable content providers to deliver compelling enterprise solutions. The Shiitakeum has the following new features:

• SingleAtom technology squeezes the entire processor into a single atom which contains over a million protons with modified quark structure. The instability caused by the enormous number of protons causes the processor to decompose with a half-life of under .000000000000000000000001 microseconds. The processor takes full advantage of this characteristic of heavy atoms and uses an antigravity-like technology to push the protons into the proper configuration. The processor executes its instructions through constant realignment of its protons.
• The processing pipeline has been broken down into 299,792,458 discreet steps, enabling Intel to remove the internal clock altogether and run the processor at the speed of light. One "cycle" represents the absolute cosmic measure unit of time, and all operations occur in one cycle.
• 24,856 new instructions have been added since the previous model, bringing the new total to over 72 trillion instructions. All SCO intellectual property can be programmed in one instruction, increasing SCO revenues due to legal action.
• RAM has been depreciated. 4 exabytes of internal general-use registers allow software to make more efficient data access, providing a more compelling Internet experience.
• Intel (r) AnswerNow (tm) Technology bends the space-time continuum, allowing the results of branch instructions and mathematical operations to be used before they are computed. The computations take place during idle cycles at some future time.
• Intel (r) CodeSpirit (tm) Technology processes machine code by its spirit, rather than its letter, completely eliminating software bugs and preventing malicious code, such as a virus, from executing.
• Intel (r) AlienCode (tm) Technology, based on CodeSpirit, allows users to execute programs written for any other processor, without previous knowledge of that processor's instruction set. The technology examines and "decyphers" the instructions and data in much the same way that scientists decypher written languages used by past civilizations. Via AnswerNow and CodeSpirit technologies, programs written for other processors actually run faster and better on Intel platforms than on their native processor. As a side effect, the processor now directly executes programs and scripts written in Java or any P-code or text-based language. In fact, even instructions spelled out in English are understood and executed by the processor.
• Intel (r) BrainWaves (tm) Technology allows the processor to read and write information in the user's mind. The processor is given away for free, and based on the user's thoughts, targetted advertisements are inserted directly into the user's mind. The process is painless, and simply feels like a song stuck in your head. A nominal (i.e., expensive) fee can be paid daily to eliminate the advertisements.
• Intel (r) NoPower (tm) Technology allows the processor to run by harnessing the energy present in the universe on a quantum scale. No electric current is required to operate the processor and since it consumes the energy present in the physical matter from which it is made, the processor absorbs all heat it might otherwise generate, operating as a perpetual energy source. This also causes the processor to run at 0 Kelvin, making it the coolest running processor ever released.

Buy one today!

Availability?

[-tji]

Hopefully this iteration will be more readily available than the previous chips.

The transmeta chips have some great power/heat characteristics, and the ability to speed up / slow down based on load. These would be great for a small home linux server / gateway type device.. If there was someone making/selling this type of small/quiet/cool device.