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Microsoft Virus Spam: SoBig.F

If you're being barraged with Microsoft virus spam emails today, this story notes that it's a flare-up of an older Microsoft virus in a new, improved form. Yay for trustworthy computing.

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  1. Thank you Spamassassin by Gothmolly · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you set your score for MICROSOFT_EXECUTABLE high enough, and these emails with their .pif attachments get sent right to /dev/null

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    1. Re:Thank you Spamassassin by vrone · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I wish Mozilla Mail had some setting for this too. It's statistical filtering is great after it's been trained, but it did me no good this morning. By the time I got to work, my inbox had over 5000 new messages. Sure, it's trained now, but I spent over an hour this morning deleting them since I didn't want to delete legit mail too.

      So how did I get 5000 new messages? I know I'm not in the address books of that many people who got infected, so this one must be doing dictionary addressing as well as address book addressing. Since my email address is of the format [first initial][lastname]@[a large company].com, and my last name is very common, I got pummelled. Maybe I should switch to a more obscure address. :)

    2. Re:Thank you Spamassassin by Uggy · · Score: 4, Informative

      Don't need spamassassin for this. If you are using qmail-scanner just set your quarantine-attachments.txt in /var/spool/qmailscan/ like so:

      .exe 0 EXE attachements not allowed
      .vbs 0 VBS attachements not allowed
      .lnk 0 LNK attachements not allowed
      .pif 0 PIF attachements not allowed
      .com 0 PIF attachements not allowed
      .scr 0 SCR attachements not allowed
      .bat 0 BAT attachements not allowed

      Make sure whitespace between the columns is a tab and not spaces. Then rerun your qmailscanner db update and you're good to go.

      Spamassassin is WAY to intelligent to be feeding it filename extensions. This is a lot faster too.

      Are there any other extensions that would be good to block?

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    3. Re:Thank you Spamassassin by MrLint · · Score: 3, Funny

      .nws and .eml, i think these were the nimda vectors from a couple years ago.

    4. Re:Thank you Spamassassin by Electrum · · Score: 3, Informative

      If you set your score for MICROSOFT_EXECUTABLE high enough, and these emails with their .pif

      Even easier: reject it at the SMTP level

    5. Re:Thank you Spamassassin by tzanger · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes, MICROSOFT_EXECUTABLE is a very good indicator of viruses, but I have yet to find a better indicator of spam email than OBFUSCATING_COMMENT. It's set to 12 on my system.

    6. Re:Thank you Spamassassin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      We filter these at the mail server:

      *.com, *.exe, *.bat, *.vbs, *.vbe, *.js, *.jse, *.hta, *.wsf, *.wsh, *.shs, *.scr, *.pif, *.lnk, *.chm

      All are potential vectors.

      http://antivirus.about.com has a bigger list of suspicious attachment types. Some are document types, but others are just special executable types in Windows, such as .chm files, which are compiled help files.

      It isn't these *have been* exploited by virus writers (though many have), but rather that they *could be*, because of their nature. I would never filter all of them, but I've gotta admit after scanning the list, most of these would be surprising to me to find in an email.

      ADE Microsoft Access Project Extension
      ADP Microsoft Access Project
      BAS Visual Basic Class Module
      BAT Batch File
      CHM Compiled HTML Help File
      CMD Windows NT Command Script
      COM MS-DOS Application
      CPL Control Panel Extension
      CRT Security Certificate
      DLL Dynamic Link Library
      DO* Word Documents and Templates
      EXE Application
      HLP Windows Help File
      HTA HTML Applications
      INF Setup Information File
      INS Internet Communication Settings
      ISP Internet Communication Settings
      JS JScript File
      JSE JScript Encoded Script File
      LNK Shortcut
      MDB Microsoft Access Application
      MDE Microsoft Access MDE Database
      MSC Microsoft Common Console Document
      MSI Windows Installer Package
      MSP Windows Installer Patch
      MST Visual Test Source File
      OCX ActiveX Objects
      PCD Photo CD Image
      PIF Shortcut to MS-DOS Program
      POT PowerPoint Templates
      PPT PowerPoint Files
      REG Registration Entries
      SCR Screen Saver
      SCT Windows Script Component
      SHB Document Shortcut File
      SHS Shell Scrap Object
      SYS System Config/Driver
      URL Internet Shortcut (Uniform Resource Locator)
      VB VBScript File
      VBE VBScript Encoded Script File
      VBS VBScript Script File
      WSC Windows Script Component
      WSF Windows Script File
      WSH Windows Scripting Host Settings File
      XL* Excel Files and Templates

    7. Re:Thank you Spamassassin by arth1 · · Score: 2, Informative
      Are there any other extensions that would be good to block?
      .EML and .MBX, to stop attachments hidden inside attached email messages.

      What sucks is that almost all the Sobig.F's I got today were bounces from mail servers whose admins doesn't know (or care) that the sender of virus attachments is a fake, and just another name from the contact list of the sender.

      To mail server administrators: Do *NOT* bounce mail known to contain viruses -- all you accomplish is to propagate it to someone else instead of your user. Even though the recepient of the bounce is smart enough to understand this (not a given), you waste bandwidth and storage space.

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    8. Re:Thank you Spamassassin by KingJoshi · · Score: 5, Funny
      Maybe I should switch to a more obscure address. :)

      Advocating security through obscurity? On SLASHDOT? tsk tsk. :p

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    9. Re:Thank you Spamassassin by timbck2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm a firm believer in security through obscurity, USED AS PART OF A SECURITY PARADIGM. (sorry for all the shouting)

      I do agree that security through obscurity ALONE is nearly worthless.

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    10. Re:Thank you Spamassassin by _ph1ux_ · · Score: 2, Funny

      "So how did I get 5000 new messages... and my last name is very common"

      As you can see, Mr. Anderson - we've had our eye on you for.. some time now.

    11. Re:Thank you Spamassassin by WGR · · Score: 2, Informative

      There is lots of evidence to show that the Sobig virus was created by a spammer to install a lot of open relays for spam.
      One of the side effects is that the infected machine will listen on a high port and forward all email amessages received on its built-in SMTP engine (that it uses for spreading in the first place).
      If you check on spam origins lately, you wil find a lot seems to come from ADSL/cable clients who proably don't even realize that they are helping spammers.
      It seems quite likely that the first targets of the virus would be addresses in spam lists.

    12. Re:Thank you Spamassassin by kumachan · · Score: 4, Funny

      I feel so lonely :'( Everytime an address book virus attacks, I am left out. Does this mean I don't have any friends? Sure you get 5000 emails... rub it in, Mr Popular :)

    13. Re:Thank you Spamassassin by rjamestaylor · · Score: 3, Insightful
      • most of these would be surprising to me to find in an email.
        • DO* Word Documents and Templates
        • URL Internet Shortcut (Uniform Resource Locator)
        • POT PowerPoint Templates
        • PPT PowerPoint Files
        • XL* Excel Files and Templates
      Yeah, who'd ever expect to receive one of those as an attachment?
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  2. Let's hear it for Pine! by Robert+Hayden · · Score: 4, Funny

    'nuff said.

  3. heh by abhisarda · · Score: 4, Informative

    Just read about about it on the BBC

  4. Small norway with largest outbreak by joeykiller · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Here in Norway it seems as "everyone" has got SoBig.F or is getting annoyed with fake emails from someone who has it.

    This virus is just a little variation of an older virus, but it differed enough from the older iterations so that anti virus software didn't detect it.

    The virus provider Norman reckons that a big organization in Norway has been hit early and that this caused the big numbers here: Norway stands for 36% of the outbreaks of this virus in the world, which is exceptional when you know that only 4 million people live here.

    1. Re:Small norway with largest outbreak by Himmit · · Score: 2, Informative

      According to several of the norwegian newssites Norways outbreak accords for 33% of the registered incidents and Usa follows on with 30% and so on. It's annoying as he**, I have got about 65 virus mail's the last three hours and counting

    2. Re:Small norway with largest outbreak by Arker · · Score: 2, Informative

      I've gotten more than a halfdozen today. I'm in Sweden, although only one of my addresses is a .se. Considering I have 5 addresses I use regularly, and one guy is claiming 5000 copies of it this morning, I guess I got off lucky. For the moment.

      My mac is obviously immune to the thing, and so is my windows box, seeing that it has IE and Outlook completely removed (yes, every last stupid .dll killed and a couple programs patched to work without it) so it wouldn't get any traction there, even if I used it for email, which I dont.

      But the worrying thing is I'm already getting attachment removal notices from mailservers that delete these things, so at least one copy of this bloody thing is forging my address when it tries to reproduce. Bloody hell.

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    3. Re:Small norway with largest outbreak by Arker · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I would, but I don't own them. Good news is the guy that does gives them away for free. He'll give you extra goodies if you pay.

      Bad news is, MS has been laying more and more effort into making his work impossible, so his release schedule definately hasn't kept pace with theirs. So if you're running XP, or 2000 with current SPs applied, you'll have to pay even for a beta. The older version works great with 98, ME, or 2k if you are careful not to apply the wrong SP. Since ME sucks my one remaining Windows box is on 98, using the explorer.exe from 95. It's not *nix stable, by any means, but it runs all the games and stuff, is stable enough (2 weeks+ uptimes on a regular basis) and runs lightning fast on hardware that was 'older' when I bought it... anyway I'm happy with it.

      Enough jawboning, here's the link you're looking for.

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    4. Re:Small norway with largest outbreak by Xerithane · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I got a dozen, here in Portland. It seems like everyone and their goddamn kid brother has it.

      I've only received 2 bounce messages from it, which is a first. I usually get several coming in. I have family who works in the internet based customer support business, they woke to 12,000 viruses waiting and several thousand bounces. I'm in Portland, too, and apparently it decided to pass me over for the most part.

      In typical webizen fashion, I warned everyone about it via blog, and told them not to use Outlook for a while.

      I gave up trying to get people to not use Outlook. When Mozilla popup blocker came out, a few people listened and said, "Hey... email.. woo" but most people just don't care. Unless the virus destroys their computer, they don't give a damn.

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    5. Re:Small norway with largest outbreak by Arker · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Surely there is something to what you say, but I would take it with a grain of salt.

      So far I've gotten I think 15 copies of the virus, 2 messages letting me know it spoofed me and the attachment was refused.

      On the other hand I get a lot of spam. A lot. Very likely because several of my addresses are relatively old. It's gotten to the point where I only bother to report the ones that slip through my filter, and I still send around 10 reports a day.

      I have no moral compunction about killing spammers. Torturing them to death in front of their children would be a service to the children, and to humanity.

      I'm only half joking.

      I've gotten a few dozen spammvertised websites removed in my career as a part time BOFH, and my only regret is that the number isn't a lot higher.

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    6. Re:Small norway with largest outbreak by Zocalo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Not for long I suspect! I've received over thirty from an IP block allocated to NASA in the last three hours, and a friend has just emailed to say he's had over two hundred from the same IP block, with over a thousand total. However, the email addresses from the NASA IPs do have a *lot* of .no domains in the email addresses. Hmmm. Maybe the "big organization in Norway" is a NASA observatory or something, it doesn't have to be a native Norwegian company after all...

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  5. Norton Write-up on Latest Sobig Variant by echucker · · Score: 3, Informative

    http://www.sarc.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.sobig.f @mm.html

  6. Goodtimes Virus Alert! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    NO MORE GOODTIMES!
    There's a new virus that will re-write your hard drive. Not only that, but it will scramble any disks that are even close to your computer. It will recalibrate your refrigerator's coolness setting so all your ice cream goes melty. It will demagnetize the strips on all your credit cards, screw up the tracking on your television and use subspace field harmonics to scratch any CD's you try to play.

    It will give your ex-girl or boyfriend your new phone number. It will mix Kool-aid into your fishtank. It will drink all your wine and leave its socks out on the coffee table when there's company coming over. It will put a dead squirrel in the back pocket of your good pants and hide your car keys when you are late for work.

    Goodtimes will make you fall in love with a penguin. It will give you nightmares about circus midgets. It will pour sugar in your gas tank and shave off both your eyebrows while dating your girl or boyfriend behind your back and billing the dinner and hotel room to your Discover card.

    It will seduce your grandmother. It does not matter if she is dead; such is the power of Goodtimes. It reaches out beyond the grave to sully those things we hold most dear.

    It moves your car randomly around parking lots so you can't find it. It will kick your dog. It will leave libidinous messages on your boss's voice mail in your voice! It is insidious and subtle. It is dangerous and terrifying to behold. It is also a rather interesting shade of mauve.

    Goodtimes will give you Dutch Elm disease. It will leave the toilet seat up. It will make a batch of Methamphetamine in your bathtub and then leave bacon cooking on the stove while it goes out to chase gradeschoolers with your new snowblower.

    Goodtimes will prompt your mother to call on Friday and Saturday nights for two months after you make a new girlfriend/boyfriend. It will place your wallet and keys on an obscure shelf in the basement. It will emulate your face and stare into the neighbor's bathroom window.

    Goodtimes has been linked to cancer in laboratory mice. 9 out of 10 dentists recommend Goodtimes.

    Goodtimes will make your bloomers shrink two sizes, and it will make you gain 15 pounds. If this results in a wedgie, then Goodtimes will leave a nasty skid mark.

  7. Snowcrash? by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 4, Funny
    You know, with all these virii running around...and the potential danger of them, I'd really like to see an initiative to educate the typical 'dumb Microsoft user'. I'm not talking full tech jargon, but just an informative message, that is persistent, not annoying. Perhaps someone wants to do something like at the end of Snowcrash, where Hiro changes the virus to display "If this had been a virus, you'd all be dead now." (not exact quote, but I don't have my book with me) Just a virus that would go around and pop up a message on boot or something informing them of the various vulnerabilities on their system, how they most likely got them (warez, AOL, email hoax, etc). Now...I'd never do this...but if someone else wanted to steal this idea, I promise I won't sue for IP infringement. Really. (crosses fingers)

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    1. Re:Snowcrash? by jaxdahl · · Score: 2, Informative

      I do have the book with me. So here's the quote from page 428 of the latest paperback edition.

      IF THIS WERE A VIRUS
      YOU WOULD BE DEAD NOW
      FORTUNATELY IT'S NOT
      THE METAVERSE IS A DANGEROUS PLACE;
      HOW'S YOUR SECURITY?
      CALL HIRO PROTAGONIST SECURITY ASSOCIATES
      FOR A FREE INITIAL CONSULTATION

      crud. lameness filter. adding some more lowercase random crap here so that it will pass the lameness filter. stupid lameness filter.

    2. Re:Snowcrash? by jazman_777 · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I'd really like to see an initiative to educate the typical 'dumb Microsoft user'.

      Won't work. Dumb people are incapable of a realistic self-evaluation. Here's why.

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    3. Re:Snowcrash? by Lord+Dimwit+Flathead · · Score: 3, Funny

      virus (pronounced WEE-russ)

      Ah. So Ensign Chekov had a Latin accent then. That clears up a lot, thanks.

  8. Funny..... by Tsali · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... there's an ad for MS Small Business Server 2003 at the top of the article.

    It's like advertizing space on a blue screen.

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  9. I'm averaging over 500 every hour by edanshekar · · Score: 2, Funny

    This thing is slamming my mail server. Some of them get stripped of the virus by the time they hit my machine, but having to deal w/ several hundred 100K messages an hour is slowing my machine down.

  10. This software will help if you got the virus by joeykiller · · Score: 5, Informative

    I should have mentioned this in my last post... if you've got the SoBig.F virus, FSecure has posted a free fix here.

    ftp://ftp.f-secure.com/anti-virus/tools/f-sobig.ex e

  11. Got hammered... by Vexler · · Score: 5, Interesting

    We certainly got hammered for a good part of today from a university down south who shall remain anonymous. Contacted their IT/infrastructure department and was told that one of their mail servers got used as a relay, and nobody found out about it until a few hours ago. If I were them I would have shut down their MTA and flushed the queue a long time ago, but that's just me...

    1. Re:Got hammered... by johnkoer · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hey I can't blame them... when I was at a university I was hammered pretty much every day.

    2. Re:Got hammered... by echucker · · Score: 2, Funny

      More copies of Klez than I can count came out of Duke, and ended up in my inbox. Perhaps the Blue Devils could spend less time camping out for tickets, and more time fixing what's broke.

  12. Editors need to be more honest. by mr_luc · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Look. I hate Microsoft, too.

    But what the fudge does this have to do with trustworthy computing? It's just another email worm, and it relies heavily on user stupidity, much moreso than the msblaster worm.

    Let's be honest: Microsoft is an evil company, that forces an evil product on people, and some of us are going to cheer when Microsoft gets hurt and people get nudged towards other operating systems -- whether it's Microsoft's fault, or not.

    Could you just have written "Hey, anything that discourages Windows use!" after the story? I mean, christ, that's exactly what probably a good 90% of people here are thinking when they read these stories.

    1. Re:Editors need to be more honest. by weston · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But what the fudge does this have to do with trustworthy computing?

      Everything. Aside from the concerns that trustworthy computing is doublespeak for restricted computing, even if you assume that MS is talking about the *right* kind of trustworthy computing, this virus is the latest in a well-populated freakin' pantheon of examples of their failure to be able to provide anything of the sort.

      In other words, this is one more chance to ask yourself: why should you trust microsoft?

      Side note: I've had several acquaintances attempt to commiserate with me in the last week about various windows viruses. But I don't feel the pain. I'm using Win XP, but a good firewall helps with most of the problems, and you know, Thunderbird is a good email client and a nice way to avoid the Outlook viruses that people erroneously call email viruses.

    2. Re:Editors need to be more honest. by Keeper · · Score: 2, Insightful

      MS was found to have a monopoly in the OS market. It is not illegal to have a monopoly. They were found guilty of violating anti-trust laws which only a company that has a monopoly can violate. There is no such thing as "monopolistic business practicies." If MS had performed any of the actions they were found guilty of while not being a monopoly it would have been perfectly legal. Get it straight.

    3. Re:Editors need to be more honest. by JMZero · · Score: 4, Insightful

      using Win XP, but a good firewall helps with most of the problems

      Your firewall helps with this? What, by blocking the mail port? Or does your firewall parse SMTP and block viruses (hint: if it did, it might be called a mail filter or something)?

      Thunderbird is a good email client and a nice way to avoid the Outlook viruses that people erroneously call email viruses.

      This one has nothing to do with an Outlook vulnerability. It's an e-mail trojan horse. Unless your mail client is unabled to receive files with certain extensions, virus checks them, or executes them under a different permission level (unlikely under Windows), then it's vulnerable.

      You represent the most dangerous class of computer users - confident and uninformed.

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  13. for more Information... by phloydphreak · · Score: 2, Informative

    into the worm see the network associates

    also: I remember a worm (maybe a year and a half ago) which ran directly through outlook (by simply activating an email-without opening the file). Does anyone remember this? if so, please refresh my memory. Thanks.

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  14. Non-Windows Problems by Saxton · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is the first time that I've really been bothered by a Windows worm or virus. All servers here are FreeBSD and OS X, and everyone's primary workstation (41 employees) is running OS X 10.2.6 or OS 9.2.2.

    I used to laugh when all the M$ weenies had problems... but now it's a real problem when I get users here going bonkers about 50 e-mails from 20 people... and me having to go around blocking mail servers...

    Here are some other articles around about it:

    C-Net
    BBC

    Okay, I'm done ranting. Thanks /.

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  15. This one will probably spread real fast by Judg3 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I just received one of these today from webmaster@match.com. But I received it on my Hotmail account.

    And seeing how Hotmail proudly proclaims on every message:
    "Notice: Attachments are automatically scanned for viruses using McAfee Security"
    we'll be getting a lot of hotmail users opening it to take a peak

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    1. Re:This one will probably spread real fast by sqlrob · · Score: 2, Funny

      Those are real. MS doesn't know how to run a mailing list.

  16. It's a worm - blame the users! by ClubStew · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Let's not forget that this is a worm. It requires that a user launches the executable so it can infect the system. Let's also not forget that many users are using non NOS's such as Windows Me (I'll admit that was a big mistake, however). Users that receive this worm must actually execute it and, since there is not concept of "administrator" on many flavors of Windows (or perhaps the users are the only user of, say, WinXP and are in the Administrators group) so the worm can do whatever it wants - the user did, after all, execute it as an administrator.

    The point is - it's the user's fault! Not Microsoft's. Something like this could just as easily happen on a *nix box if the user has sufficient privileges.

    Several of the users at work on the network I manage have gotten such worms before, but because they didn't have sufficient privileges, the worms were ineffective. In most of those cases, the virus scanner picked it up anyway.

    So, if the user doesn't have sufficient privileges, some worms don't work. Sure, this one would because it runs in userland, but the user still executed it! Besides, they should have a virus scanner anyway. Again - it's their fault.

    When it comes down to it, a worm such as a this (trojan horse) requires a stupid user to execute it - so blame the user for once.

    1. Re:It's a worm - blame the users! by gl4ss · · Score: 2, Insightful

      the user is under the impression it is not an executable.

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    2. Re:It's a worm - blame the users! by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 4, Informative
      Let's not forget that this is a worm. It requires that a user launches the executable so it can infect the system.

      A worm is a program that propagates itself over a network, reproducing itself as it goes. While this worm may require user intervention, there exist plenty of worms that do not (the most infamous being the Morris Worm.) A malicious program that masquerades as a legitimate application is a Trojan horse.

      SoBig.F appears to be a Trojan with some worm-like qualities. Of course, in the world of Microsoft mail exploits, the lines are blurred, but a worm is generally not a user-launched process.

      Pedantic, I know, but worms are a special interest of mine, and they generally take a fair bit more skill to create than your average Trojan horse.

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    3. Re:It's a worm - blame the users! by gl4ss · · Score: 5, Insightful

      that's just the thing.

      this like others uses other extension from .exe so the user doesn't except it to be an executable because as you say 'but users are used to the whole 8.3 format where executables end with ".exe"'. some even use holes to hide the payload in files that wouldn't normally have executable code at all.

      showing the mimetypes/what the email reader is going to _do_ with it would be much more useful than just displaying the name of the file and telling the user to click on it.

      they're educated usually alright, mis-educated.

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  17. Virus notifications are worse by RedHat+Rocky · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm not seeing very many messages with SOBIG, as them get filtered at the mail server.

    However, the large number of "Your message to xyz@zyx.com contained a virus" is filling my mail spool faster than any spammer. Seems one of my email addresses is a popular one to spoof.

    CALL TO ADMINS: Please turn off viral notifications to outside addresses. These days most of the envelope addresses are spoofed, you're not doing any good leaving the notification in place.

    And I thought joe-jobbing was bad.

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    1. Re:Virus notifications are worse by damnnicks · · Score: 2, Interesting

      While I tend to assume that the administrators for the sites sending me incorrect "you are infected" messages are not very good at their job, I actually appreciate being told which IPs are forging my domain.

      That way I can at least report the infection to the correct abuse address - I've found that ISPs take virus complaints a lot more seriously than SPAM complaints.

      The end result is less virii ending up in my mailbox (those people know me too), and less damage to my company's reputation.

    2. Re:Virus notifications are worse by tbase · · Score: 3, Insightful

      We occasionally get an important message with an executable attached. We can either let executables through and hope nobody clicks on them, or send a message back to the supposed sender letting them know it didn't go through. Deleting a message without telling anyone is not an option, even though most of those notifications aren't going to valid addresses, whether it's from Spam or Viruses.

      Those notifications are just a way for a company to save themselves a lot of work, at the expense of others. So, we take the risk so we don't have to pollute the 'net with (almost always) useless notifications. So I would say the call to admins should be tweak your filters and educate your users, and then turn off the notifications. Becasue you know the first important message to an officer of the corp that gets deleted without any notification is going to get someone fired, and they're not going to take that risk.

      I feel your pain - I'm getting swamped myself. But at least I'm getting an idea of how many viruses are going out in my name.

      As far as I'm concerned, you can blame all of this on the spammers. Look at the schedule of these SoBig releases and deactivations. I believe this is a response to more and more open relays getting shut down. These viruses are the new open relays, and the only way to stop them is to stop Spam itself - by beating the living crap out of anyone you know who buys anything from a spammer :-)

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    3. Re:Virus notifications are worse by RedHat+Rocky · · Score: 2, Informative

      Perhaps I should have specified AUTOMATED responses.

      Since most of the envelope addresses are spoofed (sobig certainly does this), having a mail server with a virus scanner automatically shoot off a message to the envelope address does no good. The admin of the server that sent the virus won't see the message, the spoofed address gets messages for stuff they can't do anything about.

      I know I'm not going to sit and send 100 virus notifications for the mail I've gotten in the last 30 minutes!! Half the idiots don't even have a postmaster alias, the exercise is close to pointless.

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  18. this one's quick... by bob@dB.org · · Score: 3, Interesting

    i'm one of the moderators of the personal telco project mailing list (list is open to subscribers, non-subscriber posts are verified to limit spam/virus distribution). when i got up this morning (about 13:00 gmt) the moderation queue had 37 infected messages. it also seems to have knocked my isps (online.no) mailserver over for large parts of the day. i didn't manage to get any mail out that way until this evening.

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  19. huge outbreak here by skt · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There has been a very large outbreak here, inside the firewall this morning.. This is probably the largest that I can remember, since we do not use Outlook/Outlook express we seem to dodge the big ones. I didn't even think this looked that bad at first glance, it doesn't really try to exploit any security holes to infect the machine. What got us was that the virus scanners were just old enough not to catch this until it was too late. All it really took was one or two people opening the attachment. The new engine didn't get pushed until at least an hour after the first internal case was discovered. By then though, it had spread so quickly that many other hosts had been infected.

  20. University getting hit hard by Hammerikaner · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I work for a small private university in the midwest as a student helpdesk consultant. Our phones are ringing off the hook as fauclty, staff, and students are getting upwards of 30 emails every few minutes of this worm. We're trying to contain it here, but of course people are always eager to open up email attachments from anyone they know... even if the filetype is unkown and there is no actual personal information in the email. Oh, the stupidity.

  21. Feh. by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I've got a bunch of un-munged addresses floating out there (a lot of my visitors aren't all that tech saavy) all pointing to one box. It's been hitting me since about 8:00 AM EST.

    Fortunately, I use Mail.app, so I can still check my mail with impunity.

    There's a spam/address verificiation message I saw that other day that was pretty clever, though. Some spammers sent a reasonably official-looking letter with Citibank headers, layout, and images telling people to click a link to view and accept a new ToS, or their checking account would be suspended. The link looked something like this:

    http://www.citibank.com:A78F...(random hex crap)...A812@127.0.0.1/cgi-bin/c.pl?user=youraddre ss@yourserver.com

    So they were logging you in as user www.citibank.com to server 127.0.0.1 (changed, obviously) and sending your email address to a verification script. Damn clever.

    --

    Obliteracy: Words with explosions

    1. Re:Feh. by dotgain · · Score: 2, Informative
      Why ask the user to click on something when you can just embed the same info in an img url?

      Because the default in my email client (and hopefully yours) is not to fetch anything referred to in an html document, like images, popup javascript etc - bacause that's the oldest trick in the book to verify email addresses without the users intervention. Links, however are still displayed in case they are useful and without malice.

      So you still have the course of social engineerng to get the user to click the link at least.

  22. That would be me! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I have one machine I leave outside the firewall and never patch to serve as a virus cesspit! I've got quite a little ecosystem going on there!

  23. hmm by cetan · · Score: 5, Informative
    --
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  24. Bug? by Zog+The+Undeniable · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Shouldn't we have a new /. icon for viruses? They're not bugs, because they generally - Blaster DoS URL cock-up notwithstanding - do exactly what they're supposed to.

    OTOH, we could replace the Bill-as-Stephen-Hawking with the bug icon, and no-one would care ;-)

    --
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  25. Re:Oh great - more good news by advocate_one · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Your admins aren't worth the money they're being paid...

    they should be pushing the updates out to your machines overnight using SUS [http://www.susserver.com/]

    --
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  26. Block Attachments on Exchange? by Ageless · · Score: 2

    I know this is anti-Microsoft land but I have been searching all morning and have found nothing, so I'll ask you.

    Is there any free software that will filter attachments in Exchange 5.5 and let me block emails with attachments such as *.vbs, *.pif and so on? I have not had much luck finding out how to do this without buying Norton or some other such thing and I can't afford to do that right now.

    I know I could set up a relay / filtering box in front of it, but I don't have the time or resources to do that today and this latest virus outbreak is driving me nuts.

    My company requires me to run an Exchange server, mainly because our execs love Outlook and the calendering features. I have to run Exchange. I can't change it. I would love to run something else but I can't. Please don't suggest I do.

    Thanks for any helpful answers you have.

    1. Re:Block Attachments on Exchange? by gregarican · · Score: 5, Informative
      There are command line utils in Exchange 5.5 that can help delete these attachments totally. Look on the installation CD for details.

      Starting with Office XP you'll see that Outlook automatically blocks attachments ending in PIF, BAT, EXE, etc. This is an absolute that can only be modified through admin policies out in an Exchange folder.

      If you are looking for this type of deal I *think* Outlook 2000 has a service pack that installs the attachment blocking.

      Hope this helps!

  27. Re:Unix History by gregarican · · Score: 4, Funny

    Maybe you're the guy contributing the crappy code, seeing you type like your fingers are wrapped in chicken wire.

  28. Interesting Thing about Sobig... by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 5, Funny
    Sobig.A appeared on 2003 Jan 09 and was programmed to deactivate on ??.
    Sobig.B appeared on 2003 May 19 and was programmed to deactivate on May 31.
    Sobig.C appeared on 2003 June 01 and was programmed to deactivate on June 08.
    Sobig.D appeared on 2003 June 18 and was programmed to deactivate on July 02.
    Sobig.E appeared on 2003 June 09 and was programmed to deactivate on July 14.
    Sobig.F appeared on 2003 Aug 19 and was programmed to deactivate on Sept 10.

    It seems like the Sobig release schedule is more consistent and on-time than ... well ... the software release schedules of a major company we love to hate ;-)

    1. Re:Interesting Thing about Sobig... by joeykiller · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Just wondering... Why are viruses programmed to deactivate?

    2. Re:Interesting Thing about Sobig... by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 5, Interesting
      "Just wondering... Why are viruses programmed to deactivate?"

      Built in obsolescence? Maybe the writer always wants you to have the latest version or something. This also reminds me of the recent musings of a software company we love to hate ;-)

    3. Re:Interesting Thing about Sobig... by Fizzlewhiff · · Score: 2, Funny

      It seems like the Sobig release schedule is more consistent and on-time than ... well ... the software release schedules of a major company we love to hate ;-)

      And I was thinking they were almost as frequent as KDE releases.

      --

      'Same speed C but faster'
  29. How does a virus with the name "SoBig" spread??? by mr_luc · · Score: 2, Funny

    How does a virus with the name "SoBig" spread???

    Maybe I have a dirty mind, but I gotta think that most Spam filters would catch that one. ;)

  30. How are stupid users MS's fault? by dirk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I find it funny that once again a virus is being blamed on Microsoft. The only way to spread this is to open the attachment and run it. How is Microsoft supposed to stop people from opening attachements? If you use MS Outlook you are actually immune to this virus, as Outlook blocks most executable attachments. Please explain to me why a user running a file (which then opens it's open SMTP server and emails itself to people) is Microsoft's fault? This same thing could happen on Linux, there is nothing stopping a Linux user from running a file attachment. This isn't a MS problem, it is a user education problem.

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    1. Re: How are stupid users MS's fault? by Black+Parrot · · Score: 2, Informative


      > This same thing could happen on Linux, there is nothing stopping a Linux user from running a file attachment. This isn't a MS problem, it is a user education problem.

      The difference being that Linux applications don't go out of their way to make it easy for idiots to do what idiots do best.

      The general public is never going to be computer savvy, any more than 100 years of experience and probably a few million lost lives has made them automobile savvy. Designing general-use software that requires a high level of user sophistication in order to be rudimentarily secure is as much a design error as designing software that requires three arms to use would be, because the human capability isn't there and never will be.

      The fact that it "could" happen on other OSes but isn't, is the best argument that it is MS's fault.

      --
      Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
  31. How about Trustworthy System Administration? by FilthPig · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Alright Michael! Way to blame MS for a user issue.

    Seriously, there are competant NT admins in the world.

    This should be a no-brainer, but if you run MS systems and you often have problems with worms or virii:

    1. Keep your virus definitions current. This goes double for any laptop users with broadband at home.
    2. More often then not, MS has already released a patch for a security hole before a worm or virus hits. Keep your systems up to date! Again, this goes double for laptop users with broadband.
    3. If you're behind a firewall, and you really should be, Only allow outgoing SMTP from your mail server(this keeps the worm from spreading FROM your organization).
    4. If you think you don't have time to do these things, make time. You'll waste a lot more time putting out fires than you will doing some fireproofing.

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  32. Re:Unix History by mblase · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm sorry, that didn't make any sense at all. Could you please replace your keyboard with one that has periods and commas on it?

  33. 1 every 10 seconds? by Abm0raz · · Score: 3, Informative

    I got 436 hits this morning in 2 hrs for my compan's email (~500 employees). I already had *.pif files blocked (I'll give any of my users a free beer if they could even tell me what a *.pif files was used for, more or less why they should be receiving it). In 2hrs a dial-up ISP in california, the University of New Hampshire, the Indiana University of Pennsylvania, Piglet.DisneyOnline.com, a verizon DSL node, and an adelphia cable modem node had all been shut down and cleaned. Soon as I recognized what was coming in, I traced the source IPs, called the contacts, and talked to their IT people. With the exception of Disney, all were quite co-operative, had their machines down with-in minutes of notification, and back up after cleaning the virus.

    The nature of these Sobig virii/viruses are that they repeatedly hit the same addresses. Take a few seconds, look at the header, get the IP, look up the DNS, get the contact name, call and explain and you'll save yourself (and countless others) a lot of unnecessary hell.

    -Ab

    ps. that also explains why some of my posts this morning were a little bit ... 'tart'

    --
    Nothing fails quite like prayer.
    1. Re:1 every 10 seconds? by Doom+Ihl'+Varia · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Pif files are shortcuts to DOS executables as opposed to the Lnk files used for shortcuts to Win32 executables in Windows. The only instance you would ever recieve one is if somebody wanted to send you the tweaked settings to get a certain DOS program to work. Pif files have a bunch of settings such as what memory manager Windows should fake and what quantity of memory that. It can also change the look of the terminal the program runs in and disable shortcut keys and screensavers while the program is running. So.... When do I get my free beer? Oh, any of your users? Rats.

  34. Spoofs From: addresses too. by rdewald · · Score: 3, Informative

    I just got a bounce message (with the e-mail below attached) from an automated domain mail admin because it believed I was the sender of a so.big payload (to a user who has a full e-mailbox).

    I don't use windows, so it's not coming from any of my boxes.

    Here's the header and body text:

    -----

    Received: from HP ([141.154.241.155]) by mta02.mail.mel.aone.net.au
    with ESMTP
    id [20030819180952.SWCW5855.mta02.mail.mel.aone.net.a u@HP>
    for [removed for /. post]; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 04:09:52 +1000
    From: [removed for /.-- it was my valid email address]
    To: [likewise removed]
    Subject: Re: That movie
    Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 14:10:02 --0400
    X-MailScanner: Found to be clean
    Importance: Normal
    X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000
    X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
    X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
    MIME-Version: 1.0
    Content-Type: multipart/mixed;
    boundary="_NextPart_000_00FA8C46"
    Message-Id:

    This is a multipart message in MIME format

    --_NextPart_000_00FA8C46
    Content-Type: text/plain;
    charset="iso-8859-1"
    Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

    Please see the attached file for details.
    --_NextPart_000_00FA8C46
    Content-Type: application/octet-stream;
    name="your_document.pif"
    Content-Transfer-Encodin g: base64
    Content-Disposition: attachment;
    filename="your_document.pif"

    -----

    The your_document.pif was a binary of about 100k.

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  35. Here's Trend Micro's article by jdgreen7 · · Score: 2, Informative
    Description of SOBIG_F

    Here is HouseCall - Their online free virus scanner.

    Anyone without an antivirus program seriously needs to get one:

    McAfee

    Symantec (Norton)

    Trend Micro

    Just to name a few...

  36. Ever get one of these... by Synesthesiatic · · Score: 5, Insightful
    and try to tell your semi-computer-illiterate ("But I know how to use MSN and Kazaa!) friends that they've got a virus? I don't even bother anymore because the only response I ever get is

    "No I don't."

    Because of course they're running anti-virus software. And of course the definitions have never ever been updated.

    These same people decide when their PC is two years old that it's just "too screwed up" and go buy and brand-spanking-new one with the same flaws which they will proceed to bugger up in a month in a half.

    I wouldn't last a week in tech support.

    1. Re:Ever get one of these... by Synesthesiatic · · Score: 2, Funny
      Do your part to jump start the economy

      I'm Canadian. My economy is based entirely on the export of beaver meat and maple syrup.

    2. Re:Ever get one of these... by cgreuter · · Score: 2, Interesting

      These same people decide when their PC is two years old that it's just "too screwed up" and go buy and brand-spanking-new one with the same flaws which they will proceed to bugger up in a month in a half.

      Don't complain. Buy their old computers for twenty bucks each, then sell them to other such people as "reconditioned" systems for a couple of hundred (plus the old system as a trade-in.)

      I mean, if these people are going to throw their money away, they may as well send some of it your way.

      As an aside, a nearby computer store was, sometime back, charging CDN$50 a pop for virus removal.

      Really.

  37. I Use NAV For Gateways by opiatepipedream · · Score: 2, Interesting

    NAV for gateways is an excellent program if you set it up as you external mail relay it will scan and filter all e-mails before you shoot it through your firewall. Then per your specifications you can have the relay delete the attachments or the whole e-mail. You can also use it for file extension filtration. I've found the best setup to be one internal, and one external to pass all of your e-mail traffic through the firewall. It works well in high traffic situations too, my organization has about 9000 users passing tens of thousands of e-amils daily. Anyway, just my two cents.

  38. Not the viruses, it's the autoreplies... by edashofy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't get any of the viruses thanks to SpamAssassin and whatever else our fine Admins have put on the mailserver, but what I do end up getting is about 200 autoreplies from dumb MTAs who believe I have sent them a virus when in fact it's the virus/worm/whatever spoofing itself off as me.

    Despite the fact that I didn't actually send a virus-infected email from mta3.someserver.pl to a nonexistent address, I still get the helpful autoreply that tells me that the user at that nonexistent address does indeed not exist.

  39. When will you people learn.... by SlashChick · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...that just because you're not using Outlook or Outlook Express, you still may be vulnerable to worms or email viruses?

    All it takes is one user to click the attachment who has an LDAP-enabled address book of the entire company, and poof! you're screwed.

    The only sensible way to kill these worms is to block them at the mail server. If you block them at the mail server, you don't have to try to train people or keep hundreds of anti-virus clients up-to-date. Do yourself a favor and set up XWall if you have Exchange (this is about the coolest spam-blocker/email filter program I have ever used, BTW) or SpamAssassin/MailScanner if you have Linux/UNIX. This will save you a ton of headaches in the future, and won't require you to worry about hundreds of clients being up-to-date as much as focusing on whether a few email servers are up-to-date. (Block the standard Microsoft "bad executable" list and you should be fine.)

    Seriously, in the year 2003, there's no excuse for "But my 400 clients weren't up-to-date!" Block these things at the server, which is something you as the network administrator should have complete control over, and which is where the worms should have been blocked to begin with.

  40. Why am I dignifying this with a response? by Keith+Russell · · Score: 5, Funny
    Yay for trustworthy computing.

    And in other news... Microsoft announced today that, thanks to a Bill Gates Declaration From On High (tm), every line of code in every Microsoft product, dating back to the company's foundation, has magically, spontaneously, and retroactively fixed itself. This has rendered all of Microsoft's code absolutely secure and error-free. And thanks to the mystical nature of these fixes, end users and sysadmins don't have to patch their systems!

    Grow up, Michael.

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  41. Outlook is actually the answer by lseltzer · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm sure most people here assume the opposite, but Outlook 2002 and 98/2000 with the security update applies are completely immune to this attack. They automatically strip executable attachments. Very recent Outlook Express versions also do this, although I'm not sure this is the default setting.

    Think about how long it's been since there has been a large Outlook attack. It's been at least a couple of years. This tells me that the people spreading Sobig not only have no antivirus protection, they're using ancient and unpatched software.

  42. 320 and counting by LetterJ · · Score: 4, Funny

    I've gotten 320 infected messages today. I'm actually going to be looking forward to getting back to generic viagra ads in a couple of days when this dies down.

  43. OK, I'm getting tired of this "joke" by Jugalator · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yay for trustworthy computing.

    MS jokes aren't innovative, but can still be fun, but not as fun if they aren't trying to relate to the truth very much. Read up about trustworthy computing and learn how it is a process that has barely taken off today, but is an effort that will show up more in Longhorn, etc. DRM and NGSCB are two technologies that have a lot to do with trustworthy computing that aren't even implemented in today's versions of Windows.

    At 2002, MS said:

    "It may take us ten to 15 years to get there, both as an industry and as a society."

    Trustworthy computing is in many ways only at the concept stage this far.

    Sure, one might wonder what's making them think it will take a time period as long as an outrageous 15 years to get these things straight and one might think DRM is Bill Gates' worst idea ever, but then one should comment about this instead. This may seem that I'm defending Microsoft, although I'm in this case just being annoyed by a joke I've seen numerous times before, and that must have been made up by some uninformed person.

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  44. How is this microsoft's fault? by ad0gg · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Its an executable that requires someone to run it. People need to learn to stop clicking on every damn executable they get in their email. Hell Outlook even displays a warning that attachments can contain virii or have malicous intent, but people still click on them.

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    1. Re:How is this microsoft's fault? by EXTomar · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In their zeal to sell the house, MS gave the keys away.

      No application scripting language should be able to perform in an "untrusted" mode. There is no reason for it but due to functional designs someone at MS came up it has to be there. Someone demanded that Office documents integrate into Outlook seemlessly and this is what you get.

      No one in any Unix environment will believe this message:

      Attached is a perl script with my message in it. Please extract and run it to read it.

      However MS has made a buisness of making people believe using a computer is as easy and as safe as using a toaster. So you get hackers who can apply a little social engineering to cause a disaster chain of events. Users are more than happy to click click click away when instructed.

    2. Re:How is this microsoft's fault? by dotgain · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Hell Outlook even displays a warning that attachments can contain virii or have malicous intent, but people still click on them.

      True, but most of the Outlook users I can speak for have a pretty simple philosophy about network security. It goes like this:

      • If it says "forward this to everyone in your address book", do that.
      • If you have to click on a button that says "OK" to proceed, do that then.
      • case default: {call(support)}
      None of them want to miss out on a joke, and rather than refrain from opening exe's in case they're malicious, they open everything they see save missing out on some cute kitten picture.

      And of course, it's never their fault when a worm brings their system down. For some reason they believe that the world of computing not particularly unique or special, and that it's not free from criminals, conartists and general vandals. The rapists and murders get such a break from them whenever a *shock* computer virus is doing the rounds.

      Imagine if people went about life the way they worked computers.

    3. Re: How is this microsoft's fault? by Black+Parrot · · Score: 2, Insightful


      > Its an executable that requires someone to run it. People need to learn to stop clicking on every damn executable they get in their email. Hell Outlook even displays a warning that attachments can contain virii or have malicous intent, but people still click on them.

      That's exactly why we think it's Microsoft's fault: their pursuit of their shallowly conceived "ease of use" philosophy has led them to design software that incorporates "ease of use" features that very obviously are malapropos for the popular user base.

      The reason you don't have this particular kind of virus/worm/whatsit on certain other OSes has nothing to do with the bugginess of the product; rather, it is because the people who design software for those other systems haven't tried to incorporate a "one-click EDI" function into their mail clients. EDI is serious business, and involves some significant issues of security and trust that simply aren't available in user-space internet.

      If a company was so foolish as to provide a feature that lets you bypass your password by typing esc-p, wouldn't you recognize it as a huge security headache resulting from bad design, even though it's just an ease-of-use feature?

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  45. Procmail Rule by David+D · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here is a decent procmail rule, probably not perfect.

    :0
    * > 100000
    * < 120000
    * ^Content-Type:.*multipart/mixed;
    {
    :0 B hfi
    * ^Please see the attached zip file for details.
    * ^Content-Disposition: attachment;
    * ^Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
    * 9876543210^1 ^Content-(Type|Disposition):.*$.*name *= *"?(your_details|application|document|screensaver| movie)[0-9]*\.zip"?
    * 9876543210^1 ^Content-(Type|Disposition):.*name *= *"?(your_details|application|document|document_Fal l|thank|screensaver|movie)[0-9]*\.zip"?
    | formail -A "X-Content-Security: [$HOST] NOTIFY"
    -A "X-Content-Security: [$HOST] QUARANTINE"
    -A "X-Content-Security: [$HOST] REPORT: Trapped SoBig worm - http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc /data/w32.sobig.e@mm.html"
    }

  46. Thunderbird works perfectly for me by rokzy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm using Thunderbird. I didn't need to train it or make any rules or anything. It's automatically taking care of lots of "mail contained virus" notifications.

    I tried SpamBayes a few days ago. I had to wait to build up a database of good and junk mail, and then it made a false-positive with a university email even though I'd trained it with several uni emails.

    Conclusion: Thunderbird is absolutely amazing. I'm going to recommend it to friends.

    Plus, having Firebird and Thunderbird icons in quick launch looks much better than IE and OE.

  47. Re:Unix History by __past__ · · Score: 4, Informative
    I have no idea what you are trying to say, but this is slashdot, so I'll reply anyway:

    • Microsoft, cooperating with SCO, built the first Unix to run on Intel-compatible processors, called Xenix. That was before Windows. So I doubt that lack of Unix knowledge is a major reason for any of MS's mistakes.
    • Compared to other systems of that time, the Unix security model was (and basically still is) piss-poor. And the implementations in the 80s were buggy as hell. It's just that Unix is way better than all the alternatives today (and there is only one non-Unix system left for most intents and purposes), and a huge amount of post-fact bugfixing and workarounds, that make it look good. In other words, it is true that Unix-like systems tend to be the most secure today, but that in itself is a tragedy.
  48. Re:so... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    what does the F stand for? i can think of a few canidates that have exactly 4 letters.

    It stands for the letter after 'e', dumbass.

  49. Re:Unix History by gujo-odori · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Umm, no.

    1) BSD predates any 32-bit version of Windows; how do you think BSD code wound up in the first version of Windows NT?

    2) Microsoft had a UNIX license and sold its own proprietary version (Xenix) way before it embarked on any Windows project. Yes, before any Windows project, including the original Windows which ran on XT and AT-class PCs and was followed by Windows 286 and Windows 386.

    3) At that time, people who had never seen a line of Unix source were nevertheless writing code that was at least as secure as Unix and possibly moreso, for a variety of platforms. Seeing Unix code is not a prerequisite to writing good code. The security problems that plague Windows mostly result from architectural decisions made by Microsoft, combined with (in some cases) poor coding practices and the inevitable slips that tend to happen in a code base that is both huge and not peer-reviewed.

  50. UNIX Worms by Valdrax · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Never, huh?

    Basically, the last time that a major non-Windows worm threatened the stability of internet was back when the majority of computers on the Internet weren't running Windows. There have been numerous worms since then for UNIX & Linux, but their market penetration has been low enough not to seriously hurt the whole internet. This is not as good of a thing as you indicate.

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  51. Trustworthy Computing(tm) by malus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I may really be naive about this, but if MS was serious about "Trustworthy" computing, then you'd see "MS AntiVirus" on their products page.

    Then again... who'd use it? It'd let 1/2 the viruses through.

    Haha. Then again... I spoke too soon... google: 'ms antivirus' ... it looks like they're going to do it after all?

  52. irony. by twitter · · Score: 5, Insightful
    It's funny how many people post here saying they are imune to the thing, yet everyone is getting them in their mailbox. The web is slow here today and DNS seems shakey. No one is imune to Microsoft polution.

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    1. Re:irony. by Mr_Silver · · Score: 2, Interesting
      No one is imune to Microsoft polution.

      The people actually causing the pollution are those that blindly open attachments without understanding what they are.

      Had you not used the words "Microsoft pollution" and used say, "the problems that Microsoft caused in trying to make PC's easy to use" then you'd have come across less like a raging anti-MS zealot and I'd have given you a mod point.

      However, Slashdot is full of people who blindly mod up anti-MS posts however incorrect, so you can count on them for your +5.

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  53. old by mz001b · · Score: 5, Funny
    SoBig.F

    Wow, this must be an old virus if it is written in Fortran.

  54. Run Junk Mail Controls on Folder by I+didn't · · Score: 2, Informative

    Instead of deleting them by hand, you can train the filter with several of them and then from menu bar -> Tools -> Run Junk Mail Controls on Folder.

    Alternatively you can set up a message filter (from the Tools menu too) and then run it on your inbox.

    Good luck.

    1. Re:Run Junk Mail Controls on Folder by Metrol · · Score: 2, Informative

      Just an FYI

      To filter this thing out have Mozilla look for a header value of:

      X-MailScanner: Found to be clean

      It's in the header info on each and every one of these mails. You'll need to configure a custom header of "X-MailScanner" then look for a value of "Found to be clean" in order to get this to work.

      Seems this virus is trying to fake out AV checking at the server.

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  55. barrage of Declude Virus software notices by jdunlevy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Haven't actually seen the virus itself, but I've been getting barraged by notices from various server installations of "Declude Virus" telling my that my server sent them an infected e-mail. They then proceed to include the original headers which clearly show the offending e-mail came from somewhere else. They suggest, "If this virus did originate from one of your users, you may want to consider adding virus protection to your mailserver." Uh, I won't be installing their software, that's for sure.

  56. Some Government Involved by tds67 · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Just wondering... Why are viruses programmed to deactivate?"

    Built in obsolescence? Maybe the writer always wants you to have the latest version or something. This also reminds me of the recent musings of a software company we love to hate ;-)

    Nope. Some government is behind this, either U.S. or China is my guess. The goal is to sharpen cyber warfare skills. Neither country wants to cause significant harm on the other unless there is a real war, in light of the fact that we are dependent on each other economically.

  57. Re:Where are the open source virus scanners? by ShannaraFan · · Score: 2, Informative

    http://clamav.elektrapro.com/

    Work for me, has for several months now...

  58. Set Up a Honeypot by TheBillGates · · Score: 2, Insightful

    When will the various mail server vendors get a clue? Allow honeypot checking to stop viruses. For example, in your company's global/LDAP/Exchange/Whatever address book put in random bogus (honeypot) addresses. One for every letter of the alphabet would be good.

    Then have the mail server check every outgoing message to see if it is being sent to the honeypot addresses. If it is, the sender most likely has a virus. You have tried to send to a bogus account, so therefore I think you are infected with a virus. Automatically disable the account and send the account and email to contact IT ASAP because they probably have a virus. Worst case scenario is that 5% of your users get sent the virus before the honeypot was hit.

    This would work on any virus, even new ones that the antivirus vendors haven't detected yet. Because now you are looking at behavior, not content.

    You open source zealots our there listening? Put your talents where your mouth is and give us some good open source plugins for the various email daemons to do this! It's time for mail servers to start looking at behavior, not content.

  59. Re:You miss the point. by ratfynk · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Yes by deliniating a protected mode from an install mode, and making surfing the web and using e-mail just that. Any web content that pops something up with you need to install this to view, hear or save content should be treated with contempt and the .NET web authors and software writers should be shot. Why does MS not include a pdf reader? Because they are trying to .NET screw them! That last worm was rediculous and a direct result of the windows UI .NET stupidity! Any kind of .exe file should not be alowed to run instantly if it addresses registry, and the windows core sys directories wihout authorisation, and hides itself.

    These rules could easily be encorporated into the Windows OS but are not because MS is counting on Communist style computing with the future processor encoded web content controls! This will effectively be used to screw the Adobe acrobat web content system and create a non competitive web content creation advantage. Morons in businesses that post nothing but MS enbcoded file formats to the web will rule the day perminently. All web content will eventually only accessable and usable through the MS OS. Completely defeating the real value of the net, unless you use Windows. That is the .NET strategy just go to the MS web site and look at the hype you will catch on.

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  60. Re:Elitism by shaitand · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That's the difference though. Yes you have permission to access your own files on a *nix system (at least a personal *nix system, in many cases I don't give users permissions to modify their home directory). But you cannot execute a file without knowing your executing it. On windows an uninformed user can execute a program without knowing the consequences and without knowing the difference between the executable and other types of files. On a *nix system these concepts are handled in a such a way that there is a clear distinction.

    The user who doesn't know the difference wouldn't be able to figure out HOW to execute it.