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Board Games Click With Adults

Thanks to the Washington Post for their article discussing the rise of sophisticated, adult-aimed board games. According to the piece, "sales of non-electronic specialty games... have nearly quadrupled since 1995, [and] one of the fastest-growing areas, industry experts say, is the adult strategy game." But although "the specialty market is still dwarfed by mass-marketed games", excluding a few break-out specialty titles like Settlers Of Catan, the article claims that "board-game sales have always increased during economic slumps", and, "in a sign of just how hungry people are for smarter board games, adult-education programs in Fairfax and Arlington now offer classes that introduce strategy-oriented [boardgame] titles."

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  1. Double-checking the numbers by Decaffeinated+Jedi · · Score: 1
    From the article:
    The Game Manufacturers Association, an industry trade group, estimates that sales of non-electronic specialty games, which exclude best-selling standbys like Trivial Pursuit, Scrabble and Connect Four, have nearly quadrupled since 1995, from $700 million to $2.7 billion. Some of those sales include popular children's card games such as Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh, but one of the fastest-growing areas, industry experts say, is the adult strategy game.
    Some of those sales include Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh? I would assume that they're almost entirely responsible for the upswing.

    Then again, maybe I'm out of the loop; I don't know anyone who's an avid (or even casual) board-gamer.

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  2. Settlers of Satan by AtariAmarok · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Settlers of Catan" sounds like a typo for a game about pioneers in Hell.

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    1. Re:Settlers of Satan by cybergrue · · Score: 1

      Catan is pronounced Katan.

    2. Re:Settlers of Satan by IIRCAFAIKIANAL · · Score: 1

      Reminds me of a story (sorta on-topic since it involves a "board game"). Friend of mine and I had a oujia (sp?) board that we wanted to scare some of our more gullible friends with (we were like 12 years old).

      So we went to the local graveyard and started using it.

      S....

      A....

      T.... .....

      For some damn reason, he decides to start pulling towards the "I" as I tried to pull towards the "A."

      Needless to say, not a whole lot of people were freaked out by a visit from the Lord of the Underworld, Satin himself!

      Smart guy, couldn't spell...

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    3. Re:Settlers of Satan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe you could have recovered the error by convincing them it was a dyslexic "Stalin" ;)

    4. Re:Settlers of Satan by rowanxmas · · Score: 1

      In the UW bathrooms there is writing somewhere about this same "satin"

  3. Portability by Momomoto · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It should also be mentioned that board games are definitely more portable than a game console/PC. I've known a couple of people who stopped going to LAN parties simply because they were sick of dragging out 10kg worth of equipment to the four corners of the earth. And, although the difference is less prominent, a Diplomacy game box is a lot easier to carry than a PS2, four controllers, a Multi-Tap, and your copy of TimeSplitters 2.

    Thus, board gaming also appeals to computer players who need their social and competitive fixes but are sick of lugging around so much equipment.

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    1. Re:Portability by An+El+Haqq · · Score: 2, Funny

      It should also be mentioned that board games are definitely more portable than a game console/PC.

      Maybe, but I've never spilled all the letters out of my GameCube. I can't say as much about Scrabble.

      Come to think of it, a GameCube is pretty portable. I think you can even get backpacks for them. Then again, it's probably really wierd being the only person over 12 at a GameCube LAN party. ;-)

    2. Re:Portability by Momomoto · · Score: 1

      The GameCube is a special case, really, since it is backpack-sized as long as you don't include the four controllers you have to port around.

      It's a good thing it's so portable, too, because I'd rather play Mario Golf over almost any multiplayer game out there.

      Except for Power Stone 2.

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    3. Re:Portability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are the champion! Keep it up!

      Don't go soft now!

    4. Re:Portability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And they are completely portable across ALL platforms without even a recompile!

    5. Re:Portability by spooky_nerd · · Score: 1

      Portability isn't the only reason. There are a lot of people, myself included, who spend the better part of every work day staring at a computer screen. When I get home at night I don't always want to stare at another computer screen, even if it's to play a game. I find the occasional board game to be a nice change of pace.

    6. Re:Portability by Momomoto · · Score: 1

      I don't believe it! It's an alien!

      (You'd think that after the eighth time they've seen it in two hours they'd be less incredulous about the whole thing)

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  4. Board Games are fun! by vasqzr · · Score: 1


    When you're young, you play Chutes and Ladders and Hi-ho-cherry-o

    When you're older, you play them too. Many games are fun for couples, and nothing's better than Jenga+drunks

    1. Re:Board Games are fun! by goraknotsteve · · Score: 1

      For the non-Americans out there (including me),
      Chutes and Ladders is the American equivalent of
      Snakes and Ladders link goes to online version at the BBC

      Hi-ho-cherry-o is a new one on me.

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  5. Possible reason by gazbo · · Score: 3, Insightful
    With the increase in tech workers over the years has been the correlated increase in cases of ADD amongst adults. Whereas in the past people may have watched TV or read a book in their spare time, it's not surprising that these people find it too boring and their attention drifts quickly.

    Hence they buy a board game instead of reading. I suspect that we will continue to see a strong correlation between the increase in tech jobs (and tech education) and board game sales.

    1. Re:Possible reason by Luveno · · Score: 3, Funny

      As a person with ADHD, I say... ooo! Look at the butterfly!

  6. One Word by goochman · · Score: 2, Informative

    Talisman

    1. Re:One Word by Gr33nNight · · Score: 1

      The game which I have been looking for, for years. And not willing to shell out $100 for a decent 2nd edition game.

      An old friend owned it, best game ever. Too bad the 3rd edition just sucks ;/

    2. Re:One Word by misuba · · Score: 1

      Talisman is a game for adolescents, not adults. You want to have a friendly evening with your adult pals and not frustrate them, you don't pull out a one-to-twelve-hour game full of design-by-accretion.

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  7. Boardgames can be cool by CheeseEatingBulldog · · Score: 0

    Settlers of Catan is very good game to be honest, it also can be expanded in several ways..many a friend of mine are addicted to it.

    Some games will be sold forever, I mean there is nothing like a good game of Monopoly or Risk...at least you can throw the board up when you really are a bad looser!

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  8. Increase education amongst the ADD by bildstorm · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As a person with ADHD (woohoo!), I highly recommend going beyond just strategy games into pen & paper RPGs with or without tabeltop miniatures.

    The more work that you put into role-playing, the more you have to read. (For gaming alone, I end up reading history, economics, law, & political science.) You also interact with others and get your creative juices flowing.

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    1. Re:Increase education amongst the ADD by nelsonal · · Score: 1

      I do the table top mini games (Warhammer, Chronopia etc) and the patience required to paint and get all the little dudes ready for battle has really improved my concentration and fine motor skills.

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  9. German Board Games by Apreche · · Score: 4, Informative

    I've sait it before, but it's so relevant to this article I gotta say it again.

    In Germany, and other parts of Europe, they make board games very unlike we do in America. We have things like Monopoly or Sorry, where the winner is determined mostly by luck. Over there, they have games where luck is a small or non-existant factor. This is why those games are awesome. Me and my friends have been playing German board games for like 2 or 3 years now. Puerto Rico and El Grande are our favorites. Settlers is just the gateway game, so if you like that then come on in. I hope one day these good games will be on the shelf next to Monopoly, rather than in the specialty shop only.

    Head to http://www.boardgamegeek.com to see what I mean.

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    1. Re:German Board Games by ovlaski · · Score: 1

      I concur. Puerto Rico is indeed an excellent game.

    2. Re:German Board Games by RzUpAnmsCwrds · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yes, one of my favorite games is called "Scotland Yard", where you try to track down the suspect by tracing their moves. I believe it is German. Quite fun, in fact, and virtually no luck involved.

      America does have board games that aren't all luck, though. Monopoly has a lot of luck, but there's also quite a bit of strategy. And Clue contains little luck as well. Risk also contains strategy, although once you understand it it can be a little simplistic.

      American games contain luck for one reason: luck makes the game "fair". Ever play against someone on the internet who keeps beeting you because they play 8 hours a day? It's no fun when you don't have a chance to win. That's why I believe that luck is an important part of a game. Monopoly is one such example. You try to dupe others into selling you properties for too little. But anyone can hit it big by landing on Park Place and rolling snake eyes (one on each die, which puts you on Boardwalk). It's also fun because games of luck can have sudden changes at any time. One roll of the dice can change the entire course of a Monopoly game. That's exciting.

      By "American Board Games", I think that you are referring to popular board games. But those aren't the only games we have. In my local mall, there are literally more than 100 different board games, including many German games.

    3. Re:German Board Games by harrkev · · Score: 2, Informative

      I don't mean to sound like a shill, but one great site for buying games is www.funagain.com. An awesome site. They even have some pretty good review and give suggestions like "best party games for three people", "best kid's games", etc.

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    4. Re:German Board Games by Arkhan · · Score: 2, Informative

      I too love Scotland Yard, but it isn't a very good choice for this particular argument.

      It may actually be German, for all I know, but I bought it as a child around 1980 from a mainstream toy store in the U.S. There was no indication that it was an import or remake.

      So it looks like the American market at least *used* to get the right games, one way or another.

  10. Community & Communication by neglige · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The benefit of board games is that you can play them with friends and family and they are relatively easy to learn. After a round or two you normally know the rules and develop basic strategies. And you have an excellent opportunity to communicate and create a sense of community. Compare this to a networked FPS: the rules are simple enough, but a new player will die faster than you can say "frag" causing massive demotivation.

    Of course adults need more elaborate games than children. Just rolling a die gets boring quickly, so a good games challenges you mentally (or lets you challenge the other players).

    If you lose all the time, try a different style of play: try to lose from the beginning, announce it, and act accordingly :) Go wild. With Settlers of Catan, give your cards away for free (to anyone, of course). With Monopoly, try to go bankrupt as fast as possible. Bring in some humor.

    I've noticed that you will win, despite your best effords to lose. Oh, and don't overdo it. One or two rounds are fun, after that it wears off and becomes tiresome, ultimately annoying everyone else ;)

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    1. Re:Community & Communication by Momomoto · · Score: 1

      Actually, it's a rule that you can't give your cards away for free. ;)

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  11. Some goofy fun.. by p4ul13 · · Score: 4, Informative

    I've been enjoying some of the cheap-ass games for a while. Their games are very bare-bones in their delivery, but some are pleanty involved. The less involved ones are just plain fun as well though because the game premises are so offbeat (Please pass the brain)

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    1. Re:Some goofy fun.. by cybergrue · · Score: 1
      I agree, the CA games are for the most part quite good, although I have run across a few where the rules didn't quite work. Mind you, the games are so cheap that if you do manage to get a dud, you won't feel bad about it.

      Also, for those of you outside the States, I have hear of these games being stopped at customs due to the companys unique name, not for the contents. This is odd because I can buy these games at my local gaming shop here in Canada.

    2. Re:Some goofy fun.. by ZzzzSleep · · Score: 1
      Quoth cybergrue:
      Also, for those of you outside the States, I have hear of these games being stopped at customs due to the companys unique name, not for the contents.
      I wouldn't put too much faith in the rumour.... CA games are available here in .au too.
    3. Re:Some goofy fun.. by cybergrue · · Score: 1
      I wouldn't put too much faith in the rumour.... CA games are available here in .au too.

      Its not a rumour, it happened to a friend of mine who was el'Presedente of a University gaming club at the time. She ordered a few games on-line because the local gaming store didn't have those particular ones, and she thought that she could save a little money by ordering directly from the source.

      Needless to say, we have very little respect for Canadian Customs (who have been known to seize books at the border that were published in Canada!)

  12. Cheap Options by JonBob · · Score: 4, Informative

    A big problem with getting into these specialty board games is the cost of entry. Reviews help, but it's hard to really know if you're going to like a game until you buy it and try it out. You can get more bang for your buck by getting a game system, which allows you to play many games. One of my favorites is Icehouse, which enables you to play hundreds of games of different genres. Geeks love Zendo, an inductive logic game you can play with an Icehouse set.

    Another option is Cheapass Games, a company specializing in selling games you can play using equipment you probably already have (dice, tokens, cards).

    I've also heard good things about Piecepack games. Piecepack is a public domain gaming system, so you can buy a set from several different manufacturers or make your own.

  13. Dual definition of "Adult"... by Thedalek · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is something I've noticed from several of the articles here on /.: We seem to be carrying around two definitions of the word "Adult". On one hand, you have the "mature, sophisticated, intellectual" definition, and on the other, you have the "porn, alcohol, and other age-restricted materials" definition.

    Tragic though it may be, it seems that the latter definition is the more common one, even here on /., and we're supposed to be the intellectual crowd.

    Enough maudlin, back to games.

    On the American side of things, there's Cheapass games, Looney Labs, Out of the Box publishing, and for you linux/opensource/get-it-for-free-fans, Piecepack.

    On the German side of the coin, you've got a bit of a quandry. Most German game manufacturers are GmbH, which is an abbreviation for something or another, but basically boils down to the fact that the company isn't allowed to export their products themselves. So, in order for German games to reach other shores, they must go through other companies. Among them, Mayfair Games, importers of the Catan series (pronounced cuh-tahn'), Rio Grande Games (Bohnanza is a good gateway game, while Peurto Rico and TransAmerica have been getting good attention from less casual gamers.), and on some occasions, Fantasy Flight Games, current makers of most Lord of the Rings board games.

    For actually buying the games, I would suggest Funagain or Boulder Games.

    Enjoy.

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  14. adult games by darkmayo · · Score: 1

    How much more sophisticated can "Bottoms Up" be? :P

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  15. Return on investment by ajrs · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think the return on investment I've gotten for Settles of Catan far exceedes just about every thing else except a deck of cards. There are a number of expansions available that don't get as much play, but are still pretty good.

  16. Easy to find good ones by EarwigTC · · Score: 2, Informative

    Use top seller lists. Like the top sellers at FunAgainGames. I own nine of the ten listed there today, and they are indeed some of the best.

    Bohnanza is an amazing game. I've never met anyone who didn't enjoy playing it, and yet it's still a highly strategic game.

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  17. Talisman by August_zero · · Score: 1

    One of the best boardgames ever produced, was the Games Workshop Masterpece "Talisman". It was pricy, even when it was plentiful, $50 for the base set and like another $30 for each of the 3 expansions, but I am yet to meet a person that has played it and not loved it. It's a simple fantasy boardgame that even non-gamers can understand and enjoy, but there is enough depth to it that there are a lot of subtle strategies that keep the game from being completely random.

    Complete sets of this game used to go for as much as $1400 on e-bay for 2nd edition, and about $1000 for the 3rd edition (I have the 3rd edition myself) It's sort of back in print right now, and worth grabbing if you can find it. i haven't checked lately but i would guess that the reprint has lowered the cost of the 3rd edition significantly. Word of warning though, the game without the expansions (you really need at least 2 of them) isn't half as interesting.

    Some other great board/card games: Zombies!!!, Frag, Munchkin, and Chez Geek the last 3 are all published by steve jackson games.

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    1. Re:Talisman by prator · · Score: 1

      I'll second Steve Jackson games. Although I'm probably preaching to the choir here at /.

      I'm trying to get my friend to pick up a copy of Munchkin Fu. I mean who doesn't like a Karate Squid

      I also highly recommend Carcassonne

      -prator

    2. Re:Talisman by malex23 · · Score: 1
      I'll second Steve Jackson games. Although I'm probably preaching to the choir here at /.

      I just got Strange Synergy yesterday. I hear it's quite fun, but really I'm just a big Phil Foglio whore.

  18. What? by JMZero · · Score: 1

    "Hey Dear, now that we've got our attention spans back, we're having the Johnsons over to read 'Life of Pi'."

    Board games are a popular party activity where I live - I can't imagine a situation where they would be a substitute for reading.

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  19. Cranium by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Complicated strategy board games are fine for the average geeks that want to get together for a night of board gaming and do not want the long hours required for Talisman, Axis&Allies, or AD&D.

    There are a lot of simple generic games that are good that will appeal to the cross-gender and the non-geek adults out there. Don't just think monopoly. There are a lot of new board games that are not the norm. As well, some classics are worth looking at as your perception of the game as an adult will be different then your perception of the game when you were a teen.

    Games to to look at:
    Cranium (Mattel's 3 million+ seller)
    Apples to Apples
    Wise and Otherwise
    Battle of the Sexes

    Old classics to relook at now that you're older:
    Taboo
    Pictionary
    Outburst
    Balderdash
    20th Anniversary Trivial Pursuit Edition (More my generation of questions)

  20. Zombies!!! by darkkewulf · · Score: 1

    Zombies!!! by Twilight Creations is a great game that can be played through in an hour or less. There are elements of both strategy and luck, and this game has one serious "screw your friends" factor. I believe that there are also two expansions.

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    1. Re:Zombies!!! by bitrott · · Score: 1

      BROKEN! This game is totally broken out of the box and gets worse with every expansion pack.

    2. Re:Zombies!!! by darkkewulf · · Score: 1

      The only bitch I really have with the game is some of the cards are a bit vague. This leaves much room for rules interpretation- which if you play with a group of people resembling mine, is a bad thing. I wouldn't consider it broken. Every game I've played has gone quite smoothly. I can't vouch for the expansions because I haven't used them yet.

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    3. Re:Zombies!!! by bitrott · · Score: 1

      You're absolutely right about the cards. They're terrible. One should never have to refer to the manufacturer's site for card clarifications. Rule clarification sure. But not pieces.

  21. exsqueeze me? baking powder? by kurosawdust · · Score: 1
    No mention of Cranium? The absolutely funnest most cream-pie-tastic game in the fucking universe?

    Hmph. Journalism indeed...

    1. Re:exsqueeze me? baking powder? by k8to · · Score: 1

      Cranium is a "party game" not a "strategy game" which was what was being dicsussed.

      I like it, but it isn't the same kettle of fish.

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    2. Re:exsqueeze me? baking powder? by malex23 · · Score: 1

      And if you really want to talk party games, it's hard to beat "Apples to Apples."

    3. Re:exsqueeze me? baking powder? by ninehalo · · Score: 1

      The article did mention Cranium, just not by name. It makes reference to games that lack innovation and are nothing more than a repackaging of old games. That's Cranium.

  22. Illuminati by (trb001) · · Score: 1

    I'm surprised I haven't seen someone extolling the virtues and replayability of Illuminati. My buddy introduced me to this game back in the early 90's and I've been hooked. Great fun for 3 or more players, highly addictive, great party fun and I've found the girls we hang out with get a kick out of it too (it doesn't take a lot of logic or cutthroat intuition, and there's a bit of diplomacy as well).

    --trb

    1. Re:Illuminati by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love that game. Have you played Corruption or Lunch Money? Also good games. Also try the board game "Cults Across America" Hard to find but also fun

    2. Re:Illuminati by Shadarr · · Score: 1

      Illuminati is a special case. Some people love it, some people find it involves too much backstabbing and mistrust. My girlfriend refused to play it again after I screwed her and my dad over in a game.

  23. Talk about your viral marketing by SnowDog_2112 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A college buddy introduced me to Settlers, then to Carcassone and Puerto Rico.

    We've introduced probably 10 people to Carcassone (very low learning curve).

    And it continues. You have someone over, say, "Want to play a board game?"

    They expect Monolopy and out comes one of these great games that has a lot of the planning and strategy of a computer game but all the social interaction of a tabletop game. Of course they want to know where they can buy it (there's the rub!).

    Once they realize there's a whole genre of these games, it's like you've introduced them to a new world.

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    1. Re:Talk about your viral marketing by Dachannien · · Score: 1

      The only problem I and some friends have had with this is that we tell someone, hey, you want to play a board game? They look at us apprehensively and ask what game. We tell them it's Advanced Civilization, and they say, uhhh... what's that? We explain the basic principles of the game and they sound interested, but then they say, when do you want to play? We say, uh, well, actually we were thinking of playing half on Saturday and the other half on Sunday, because it takes so frickin' long to play.

      They say, uh, sorry, no thanks.

      Maybe we're playing the "other" wrong games, though. We played Cosmic Encounter the other day and had a blast (so to speak) - each game of that takes a half hour to an hour.

  24. Don't take any wooden nickels by jonnypolite · · Score: 1

    There are quite a variety of boardgames out there, and opinions are quite varied among the various boards devoted to them. The important thread for some is competition, for others it's social interaction. Personally, i find who you play with to be as or more important than what you play. YMMV. Don't be put off by the discussion of cost either, there are many good games at minimal expense with excellent replay value, such as Carcassone ($13 online). Some may consider Talisman worth tremendous sums, but that's a specific case, for sure. And not that great a game in my opinion. Also, i'd stay clear of the Steve Jackson/CCG/RPG/games workshop stuff, if looking for social/family style gaming. Here's a quick 5 picks i'd recommend: Carcassone (great for 2-5) Liars Dice El Grande Ra San Marco

  25. CAVET EMPTOR by bitrott · · Score: 1

    zOMBIES!!! is a broken game out of the box. One that gets worse with every expansion pack. The list of problems is endless, which is unfortunate because it's a fun premise. I enjoy swapping alternate rules with people, but have yet to find a rule set that really makes for suspenseful, strategic play.

    1. Re:CAVET EMPTOR by Sylver+Dragon · · Score: 1

      What did you find so broken about Zombies? Other than the fact that getting to the Helipad is usually never accomplished, we always end up with someone killing 25 zombies first.

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    2. Re:CAVET EMPTOR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree with that other dude, the game seems to play fine for me and the other people I have played it with.

      Maybe you were expecting a game tactical warefare? Or maybe a "resident evil" board game? If you don't like B-movie Zombies than the game isn't going to appeal to you period.

    3. Re:CAVET EMPTOR by bitrott · · Score: 1

      Well that is one big reason. the fact that there's no REAL strategy. It's all luck. The cards are useless as they don't come into play often enough and you can only have 3 at a time. Playing with less than 5-6 people is pointless since you'll be creating this huge map with tons of zombies that you'll never explore/fight before someone wins. Unless you start out there you'll never get to the expansion pack maps, which isn't even the point really. No adverse predicaments or schadenfreude stratregies other than the occasional card you can play against others. It's just all buggered. Do you have any alternate rules you can suggest?

    4. Re:CAVET EMPTOR by Sylver+Dragon · · Score: 1

      Don't really have anything I would say is an alternate rule, though one thing that we do, which we infered from the written rules, is that when we kill a zombie, we keep the miniature as a counter. If there are no more miniatures in the pool, then no new zombies can be added, i.e. new tiles lack zombies, cards which add zombies to the map can only add as many zombies as there are miniatures in the pool, etc. We didn't do this the first time we played, and it really screwed the game, we ended up with the map forever swamped in zombies, you couldn't take a step without having to fight, and you tended to run out of bullets and health real quick. Once we implimented this particular rule, we find that we tend to get to a point where everyone is holding between 10 and 20 zombies in their kill pile, and the board is rather sparse on zombies. It makes it possible to stock up on bullets/health again before somone has a bad run of luck and replinishes the pool. And, of course, using the cards right can make for a lot of fun. Its amazing how easy it can be to kill someone off by forcing them through a guantlet of zombies, and just waiting for thier luck with the dice to run out. Though the other side of this coin is, don't run someone with the fire axe through a ton of zombies, it just tends to get them a lot of kills.
      As for there being no "real" strategy, yes, you are right, its not a game to be played be hardcore war gammers. Basically, if your into warhammer and its ilk, the this game is going to seem simplistic. The cards are not, however, useless, you just aren't being imaganitive enough with them. Most of the cards are great for dicking with your opponents, and often can turn a game against someone. Also, you should always try and find a use for a card each round, never let your hand get stale. And yes, there is a large element of luck in the game (it has dice in it, of course luck plays a factor), but that just makes it fun, IMHO, it provides for some great moments when the dice either simle on you, or the dice screw you. If a game has no randomness, it just seems to lack something, because the outcome is often very predictable.
      Also, try playing this game with alcohol around, Zombies is a blast with less blood in your alcohol stream. Cheers! :-)

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      Necessity is the mother of invention.
      Laziness is the father.
    5. Re:CAVET EMPTOR by bitrott · · Score: 1

      We're not being 'unimaginative' with the cards. When you've only got 3 a round and you're saving one or 2 to pull something off a round or 2 down the road, it doesn't leave a lot of room for immediate results. That's strategy. It does rely too heavily on the random roll of the die in a fight. We use the zombie pieces as tokens (of course) but since we have the added zombie pack, we'd never run out. So those changes wouldn't work too well. We could use less, but that really rather spoils the point of having swarms and swarms to fight through. Yes, booze does help. We were tossed enough the first couple of times we played we didn't care/notice the huge holes in the gameplay.

  26. Settlers, Europe, and Some Links by ShannonA · · Score: 2, Interesting
    European board games have indeed matured greatly in the last 10 years and have been making great in-roads into the U.S. for 5 are so. I think this has as much to do with a new adultness in their designs as the economic cycles.

    Here's some useful links:

  27. Re: Monopoly by Flwyd · · Score: 1

    There's not a whole lot of strategy in Monopoly. You buy when you can. If you'd like to play a similar game that has lots of strategy facets, check out Fast Food Franchise.

    Don't let Parker Bros. get a monopoly on board games!

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  28. Warboarding by rhakka · · Score: 1

    Allow me to take a minute to pray that strategy wargames may resurface if this is true.

    I sure miss Sixth Fleet, the Tank Leader series, Starfleet Battles... ah, good times, good times.

    1. Re:Warboarding by ShannonA · · Score: 1
      Eagle Games is a brand new company releasing new strategy wargames. To date they've been doing historical games and games based on computer licenses, of all things.
  29. The Farming Game by PepperedApple · · Score: 1

    A great alternative to Monopoly is The Farming Game. It's a little depressing to play since you start out $20,000 in debt, but I guess that's realistic.

    You know it's a good game when they've actually bought it in Russia to teach people about farming.

  30. Re: Monopoly by RzUpAnmsCwrds · · Score: 1

    Yeah, I know the whole "Quaker Game Stolen and repackaged".

    The strategy in Monopoly revolves around three things:

    1: Knowing what to trade, for what, and when. Which is more valuable? Would you trade New York for Park Place? It depends on how much cash your opponents have.
    2: Knowing what to pass up. In some situations, Baltic/Medeterraian/The Railroads/Utilities can be a good value. Sometimes the're junk.
    3: Knowing when to build. Do you hold on to your moeny or use it to build on your properties.

  31. Games are a great buy by ninehalo · · Score: 1

    I enjoy picking up new games even if it's just to play them once. I'll try one every once in a while on a whim for like $16-20 and spend an evening with my friends trying it out. If four friends pitch in $4 each then it's cheaper than going to dinner or a movie, it's social, interactive, and it's an interesting diversion.

    While you're at it, see if you can find a copy of Burn Rate - with a theme based on the dot-com collapse.