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2002 SAGE Salary Survey Finally Released
Ted Cabeen writes "The 2002 Salary Survey run by SAGE, SANS, and Sun's BigAdmin Group profiled in a March Slashdot Article has finally been released. Everybody who participated in the survey is entitled to a copy, as well as current members of those groups. How does your salary stack up in the post-crash economy?"
I'd like to see just how poorly I rate (corrected for crappy South East Virginia wages, of course). Let me put it this way: I've seen the articles listing the average starting salary for a new college graduate; and, I want to know where I went wrong...
I know many people that make some decent coin but hate their jobs. I make a nice salary and love my job. I wouldn't consider leaving (maybe for a good 1/3 increase in the cash and the same freedoms I have here).
The survey should ask more than just income: the real question is: are you happy at your job and content with your income?
Trolling is a art,
I haven't had the chance to read this Survey yet, since the link has run afoul of TCP/IP, but outsourcing is hurting millions in the IT field (which I'm sure you already know).
Why is it that Saudi Arabia has been able to restore its economy and again fill up it's offices with IT people, while the US keeps losing them (500,000 more projected this year). crapola I say
Interesting thing that Saudi Arabia is proven to be one of the largest "breeding ground" (for lack of a better term) and source of funding for terrorism, which is targeted at the US.
Funny how America's capitalism is directly responsible for terrorist acts against its own counsumers (use to be called citizens).
So Americans have to work 20+ years with a company to get the standard holiday allowance for a European in their first year on the job. Americans who change jobs won't on average ever reach that level. I wonder how worker happiness compares between the two continents - and no, I don't give a fig about where the businesses are more profitable, that doesn't equate to happiness.
but all these surveys do is give people false impressions of worth. You could glean from this thing that you should be making 70k with a bachelors degree or that being a woman with the same experience as I have you're worth 10k more than I am.
A young woman at my last job got fired because she went in to demand higher pay after she got her masters in accordance with one of these surveys. She worked for the company for the whole time and they paid for her education, but she decided to hop up the ladder and start emailing stats like this to the VP's. I mean really, what loaded sysadmin women fill these things out and do they need a developer and/or boyfriend!?!
A 3% raise, but a raise none the less. Part 2: The "variable" bonus which is counted as part of our salary, is now cut in half. This "variable" bonus by the way, has gone down each and every year I have been with this company. Now instead of top performers getting somewhere between 12.5% and 16%, I believe 6.5% is going to be the best you can do. Part 3: To save money this year, all pay increases, which normally take effect May 1, will not take effect until July.
Be glad you are getting a raise. As a state employee (who is quite thankful to have a job and not have been laid of in June) I am looking at a possible 1.5% *decrease* in wages 12/31/2003 *and* 12/31/2004 (that's a 3% decrease) with no COL increase (was supposed to get that 7/1/2003). I am looking at decreased benefits, no raises, no chance for promotion, and possibly no pay while they go on strike (which will accomplish little if anything).
The Bush Administration is trying to make changes to the law to stop OT pay all together for most workers and instead let the employer "repay" you by giving you time off at THEIR conveinience. Interesting.
Again, while I am thankful that I have a job, I am NOT happy that I have to take pay cuts, lose benefits (my low hourly wage was supposed to be offset by great benefits), and worry that I will lose a month's pay as I am forced to go on a strike I am uninterested in going on.
Please don't complain when you actually are making more money each year. Please.
The question should be, do you make a decent salary, and do you feel RESPECTED by your bosses, coworkers, etc.
I make a pretty good salary, but I don't feel like my bosses respect me because what I do is so foreign to them, and none of my hours are "billable time". It baffles me that they pay me a high wage, but will easily go to an outside tech consultant without any prior input from me.
Is it that they don't think I'm competent? Hey, I've been here almost 5 years, they could have fired my ass by now and hired someone else if that was the case. Why do non-technical people make serious technology decisions for clients without input from me? It's that kind of shit that makes a high paying job miserable.
I'm sorry, I really am, but just because there are people getting screwed worse doesn't mean that those of us who aren't getting screwed as bad can't complain. If that were the case, then no one posting here has any right to complain about anything at all.
Put it in perspective - please don't complain when you actually have a job, a roof over your head, a computer... you have a lot more than most of the population in the world.
So please don't complain that people are complaining - while you may have more to complain about, it doesn't mean they don't have a right to complain, too.
Stupid sexy Flanders.
I read the unemployment documentation yesturday. It basically said if you got fired you can still get unemployment, as long as you didnt intentionally get fired. Which ruled out my idea of breaking the boss's nose...
This may be nitpicking, I look at something like this and immediately distrust it: they quote percentages to four significant figures, yet they only had 10000 respondents. Anyone who understands sampling errors knows that 10k data points means approximately 1% error on any number you measure with them.. possibly much less.
And it's hard to read with all them number things.
Ten hour days? No vacation?
Training your replacement in your company's new Bangalore office???
STOP!
How would you like to get out of that rat race? I have stumbled on a secret way to free yourself from the wage slavery and mind burn-out you are suffering at your current job. And I'm giving the secret away for FREE!
Let me tell you something, folks. I used to be a lot like you. I was working for a company that insisted on pushing their employees over the edge. What I found was, most workers not only took it, but gladly bent over and rubbed in the vaseline! These folks never understood the secret that I am about to reveal to you absolutely FREE!
So here it is! Follow this simple four step process to dislodge yourself from corporate America once and for all:
1. Quit your job!!! The most obvious step is the step that is the most inconceivable to the average American worker. Every day at your job is living hell. You dread going to your job every morning. Your job is the source of all your frustration and grief. QUIT! It's that easy. QUIT! When I realized I was working for a company that couldn't give a shit about me and was trying every day to find ways of milking more work out of me, I just up and left... It was such a breath of fresh air. Get a part-time job bartending or doing manual labor while you accomplish the rest of the steps...
2. Kill your monthly expenses!!! Pay off those high-interest credit cards! Only spend with them what you can pay off in full every month. Most of my former co-workers were so buckled under credit card debt but they were happy to keep spending more, because all they ever payed was the monthly minimum. They're going to be in for a surprise in three or four years. Sell the shit that drains your wallet! That Lexus SUV sitting there in your garage? Sell it immediately and buy a 5 year old Honda with cash. Let me tell you you won't miss that $600/mo payment! Expensive home or apartment in the city? Get out of that lease or sell it, and buy a nice humble townhouse in the suburbs. You might not be able to get rid of this "monthly" but it sure feels nice taking $500/mo or so out of it. Health club contract? Multiple cell phones/pagers? Expensive Internet connection?? You guessed it! Get them out of your life. Live SIMPLY. Not only is it cheaper, but you don't feel like such a consumer whore every month when you pay the bills!!
3. Stop buying so much shit! Al Greenspan says consumer spending is good for the economy, but who is he kidding? It's only good for the corporate execs you are currently freeing yourself from. Buy generics if you have to buy at all. Spend your money not on gadgets and trinkets but on things that fulfill your life--travel, a humble home that's yours and not the bank's, that little restarant you were always wanting to start up--whatever is your thing.
4. Do hourly contract work when you need money, and relax when you don't. Look at your new budget. Hell you can probably contract at HALF of what you were making before, and have plenty of time for what is important in your life.
Follow this four step process and rid your life of the work-consume rat race!
I can't emphasize it enough. That first step is crucial. QUIT THAT JOB NOW. QUIT QUIT QUIT QUIT QUIT QUIT QUIT. Or, even better, get fired and collect unemployment! You've been paying for unemployment your whole life, so take a little for yourself! Make a promise to yourself: I will quit by next Thursday. I will quit after the next paycheck. And DO IT! Don't go updating your resume, looking for another sinking ship to jump to. JUST GET OUT OF THAT HELL HOLE OF A JOB RIGHT NOW!
Today is a lot better for me than it was two years ago, and I make LESS than what I used to! I work hourly, doing contract work for whoever needs a little programming. When I want