Resolving Everything: VeriSign Adds Wildcards
"(VeriSign is a company which purchased Network Solutions, another company which was given the task by the US government of running the .COM and .NET top-level domains (TLDs). VeriSign has been exploiting the Internet's DNS infrastructure ever since.)
This will have the immediate effect of making network trouble-shooting much more difficult. Before, a mis-typed domain name in an email address, web browser, or other network configuration item would result in an obvious error message. You might not have known what to do about it, but at least you knew something was wrong. Now, though, you will have to guess. Every time.
Some have pointed out that this will make an important anti-spam check impossible. A common anti-spam measure is to check and make sure the domain name of the sender really exists. (While this is easy to force, every little bit helps.) Since all .COM and .NET domain names now exist, that anti-spam check is useless.
VeriSign has published white papers about their implementation and also made some recommendations."
expect that ip to get null routed by the backbone carriers real fast.
This is really sad.
.com domains are resolving with an authoratitive section of Verisign's server.. and .net's with the list of root servers. It would seem that no domain should ever resolve with either of those as an authority.. The real dns server for the domain should. Hopefully BIND and other DNS packages will start blocking domains that have a root server or a verisign server as the authoratitive dns server.
Not only will mail have problems, as the "non-existent domain" check will always fail.. but this is completely criminal it seems.
I hate to mention, but they are giving Microsoft a dose of their own medicine.. taking away their ability to bring you to their 'search' page for non-existent domains.. and AOL's own feature similar to that. It hurts google, since Verisign teamed with yahoo on this one for search services (Although, google provides yahoos search functionality for now).
All
Further.. they'll be harvesting bounced email addresses for sure. If you get spammed from a bunk domain, and it gets returned.. or you typo and email address.. they are nice enough to run a mail daemon on port 25 to harvest those addresses. It lets you helo, from, rcpt, and data.. and then closes your connection.. just long enough to snag all the info it wants from you.
This entire thing is a mess, and seems like it should be highly illegal. Hopefully OpenSRS and GoDaddy and others will have a fit over it. This just seems completely wrong.
Porn companies aren't allowed to run sites with slightly mispelled names because it's considered unfair practice, but a 'registrar' is allowed to catch anything that might come their way?
-psy
This is hillarious!! They have a TOS!
By making a typo, you supposedly agree that if their site overflows a buffer in your browser and wipes your HD, they are not liable.
Okay, terrible example for many reasons, but I still think it's pretty laughable that they claim that the "user" agrees to certain terms of service by "utilizing" this little piece of indirection.
-Lux
It is not that bad. At least if you enter "Verisign sucks big donkey balls", two of the three first results are from Slashdot.
Verisign has forgotten that they don't own the Internet: they were granted the power to run the root servers and manage primary DNS by the federal government. That government-granted monopoly is revocable. This is a risky maneuver, as it will have global implications. They will probably get their wrists slapped.
The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
Anyone have any information on whom to contact to put an end to this absurdity?
I think you mean Commander Taco. Or were you talking about that dns thing?
Those spam-catching tools work by doing a reverse-dns lookup of the IP address that is trying to send the mail. This is different than doing a "forward"-dns lookup.
Not so.
A common spam filtering method is to check the envelope sender to see if the domain exists. Any mail that is sent with a faked envelope sender to which bounces can't be sent is spam.
That means querying for either an MX record or A record for that domain, and bouncing all the spam that doesn't have either. Now, thanks to verisign, all spam sent with forged envelope senders in .com or .net wil go straight through this spam filter, increasing the amount of spam in many peoples mailboxes.
Yes, in theory you could look for the magic A record returned, but to do so is something of an operational nightmare, and impossible to do with most current MTAs.
This also traps all mail sent TO a non-existent domain. Since all RFC-compliant mail servers will follow up a negative MX response with an A lookup and connect to that IP, if you send mail to a bogus domain, it goes to verisign's server, which (currently) bounces it. Imagine the fun the federal government can have subpoena'ing those logs.
Also, you'll note the cookies that 'sitefinder' sends out, so they can uniquely track any traffic to that site. Also a fun subpoena opportunity. And did you read the fun terms of service that they claim you agree to by 'choosing to visit' their site?
I doubt this will stand. I certainly know that, as a major ISP executive, we'll be reviewing our business with Verisign.
Sure you do, if you have a REAL router (or a DSL router even) you should be able to null-route that IP. Or actually, you might even be able to convince your ISP to do it with a short, friendly letter to the admin.
Stewey
There are 10 kinds of people in the world. Those who understand binary and those who don't.
This isn't something new, they told us it was coming. What a crock of shit. I think this shows that there needs to be some sort of accountability in this business.
Actually, the verisign search seems to be pretty good. A search for FUCK VERISIGN returns a slashdot article about verisign sending out deceptive domain renewal mail as the second result.
comments@icann.org
So let me get this straight. A site I didn't ask to go to has a Terms of Use which says that my sole remedy is to discontinue use of "The Verisign Services".
So, by mistyping a domain name, I've entered into a legal agreement with Verisign? And the only way to get out of it is to not use the internet?
The only address on the page is their legal department's postal address, at
VeriSign, Inc.
Attention: Legal Department
21355 Ridgetop Circle
Dulles, VA 20166
I guess I'll be sending them a nice letter. As soon as I figure out what legal recourse I actually have.
The IE rediect to the MSN search mess is configurable: you can turn it off AND turn off the stupid useless 'all errors are one thing' error page and make IE actually give you something useful, at least with IE 5.5 and 6.
.(com|net) domains. Verisign has just in effect registered all unregistered domains in those TLD's and pointed them at their own little cash-spinner.
HOWEVER, you can bet that MS and AOL and everyone else who does something interesting and useful with HTTP queries that look for bad domain names (like some ISP's that have proxies for users and some companies that have proxies for employers) will be pissed off. Different people like to do different things with their NXDOMAIN responses, and Verisign has just made sure that a lot of those responses never happen and that only Verisign gets to choose what the user sees instead.
There essentially are no more unregistered
If you want this "feature" of verisign's turned off (I know I sure do), contact ICANN now. This is yet another example of Verisign having far too much unchecked power over the .COM and .NET registries.
VeriSign *is* InterNIC.
Network Solutions "bought" InterNIC way back when. VeriSign bought Network Solutions. Now Network Solutions sells domains as a registrar, and VeriSign (VeriSign Naming and Directory Services, specifically) is the registry. Every registrar, including Network Solutions, pays VNDS $6 per year per domain. VNDS doesn't pay anyone anything.
It's VNDS that is doing the wildcard entry.
-Todd
"The details of my life are quite inconsequential..."
To: icann@icann.org, iana@iana.org, nstld@verisign-grs.com,
.com and .net TLDs to a Verisign owned search
.com and .net TLDs.
rcc@verisign.com, hostmaster@nsiregistry.net, ir@verisign.com,
dcpolicy@verisign.com
Subject: Complaint about Versign abuse of DNS root zones
A Letter of Complaint about actions undertaken by Verisign Incorporated
on or about 9/13/03.
Sent to the Internet Corporation of Assigned Names and Numbers and the
Internet Assigned Number Authority.
Doug Dumitru
xxxxx xxxxxx xxxx Road
xxxxxx xxxxxx, CA 9xxxx
949 xxx-xxxx
Dear sirs,
As you are probably aware, Verisign is redirecting unregistered
2nd-level domains in the
engine. They are using a technique known as DNS wildcarding to
accomplish this.
I firmly believe that this is clearly an abuse of the DNS system, that
it violates the technical requirements for domain lookups, that the
results returned are fraudulent, and that this technical action only
benefits Verisign at the expense of the rest of the internet population.
I respectfully request that IANA and ICANN immediately take action
against Verisign demanding that Verisign cease this fraudulent and
damaging behaviour. Should Verisign refuse, I would recommend that IANA
and/or ICANN (and/or the US government) take immediate action to revoke
Verisign's contract to administer the
I would also recommend that IANA and/or ICANN immediately pass "best
practice" rules that prevent other TLDs and country-code domains from
following in Verisign's deceptive footsteps. It is important that a
"domain not found" error not be subverted into an advertising opportunity.
Sincerely,
Doug Dumitru
They don't seem to have an e-mail address for the category of "Subversion of the global DNS," so pick one of the following e-mail addresses and use it to CC your complaint to Verisign:
i sign.com,p ki@verisign.com,m ,c omi gn.com,e rprise-sslsupport@verisign.com,s .com,o m,s igning-support@verisign.com,g n.com,e tworksolutions.com,@ networksolutions.com,p ort@verisign.com,u pport@verisign.com,
v ts-mktginfo@verisign.com,
websitesales@verisign.com,g n.com
authenticode-support@verisign.com,
billing@ver
channel-partners@verisign.com,
client
consultingsolutions@verisign.co
dbms-support@verisign.com,
dcpolicy@verisign.
digitalbranding@verisign.com,
dnssales@veris
enterprise-pkisupport@verisign.com,
ent
info@verisign-gr
internetsales@verisign.com,
IR@verisign.c
jobs@verisign.com,
mss@verisign.com,
object
paymentsales@verisi
practices@verisign.com,
premiersupport@n
press@verisign.com,
privacy
renewal@verisign.com,
sup
verisales@verisign.com,
vps-s
vts-csrgroup@verisign.com,
webhelp@verisign.com,
websitesupport@verisi
Speaking of search engines. What would happen if a significant number of web sites put links on every page to a poison page. This poison page would generate 10,000 random links of the form "www.verisignblows948950948393903848585.com", with the number obviously being random. How long would it take for all the search engines and web crawlers to hit this and have a serious impact on verisigns servers?
Now, I'm not suggesting anybody do this, I'm just asking the question.
Excessive forking causes un-wanted children.
It seems that they have effectively violated the ICANN Domain Name Dispute Policy: "circumstances indicating that you have registered or you have acquired the domain name primarily for the purpose of selling, renting, or otherwise transferring the domain name registration". They're definitely doing this to sell domains.
Bill
A few hours ago I was trying to troubleshoot a lame delegation to another zone. It seemed to be working which puzzled me to no end. It turns out the lame DNS server was returning 64.94.110.11.
Lame delegation is a very common phenomenon and (in the case of a typo) can often be diagnosed with NXDOMAIN being returned for the glue RR record. Never returning NXDOMAIN means that many types of lame delegation will no longer be caught.
One of my peer zones had a typo'ed MX record. Before VeriSign's sabotage (yes, sabotage) the lookup of the corresponding address record would simply fail with NXDOMAIN. The source MTA would then try to deliver to the secondary MTAs on the list of MX records in order of priority. Mail delivery would proceed normally using the secondary MTA(s).
However to my complete and utter astonishment, 64.94.110.11 has a working MTA listening on port 25 (why???). This means that any MX records with typos in the primary record will have all their e-mail redirected to VeriSign's MTA. Mail that would normally automatically be re-routed to the secondary MTA instead now gets bounced by Verisign's ''Snubby Mail Rejector Daemon v1.3''. Not returning NXDOMAIN will break mail delivery to secondary MTAs.
And what about spam filters? It will break any spam filter that tries to verify that the source MTA hostname claimed in the HELO request is resolvable (i.e. that the claimed HELO name is not fictious).
I could probably list another half dozen problems if I thought about it. I can't believe the arrogance (read: stupidity) of this act.
I can't wait to see reaction reaction from the backbone cabal on NANOG.
As another person mentioned this already, e-mailing them is a waste of time unless you're a corporation with extra cash.
How do you fix this problem? DON'T USE THE ICANN ROOT SERVERS. Easy as that.
Plug: OpenNIC (for ICANN users) and OpenNIC (for OpenNIC (and its peers) users)
I wonder if more people will become concerned when verisign starts to harvest instead of bounce?
Only 4 of the root servers have the wildcard in place. Thus there is a bit of randomness in whether you hit it or not.
...
If you have a Linux box, you can see this with:
host verisigniscrooked.com a.gtld-servers.net
host verisigniscrooked.com i.gtld-servers.net
I think we should all call tech support on their 800 number and complain.
U.S. and Canada: 888-642-9675
Worldwide: 1-703-742-0914
Lets see if we can get their hold queue time to several hours. Perhaps even ask to speak to a supervisor. Be sure to get names of everyone you talk to. Ask for names and phone number of the corporate officers. Compare them to SCO (ok, a bit off topic but I couldn't resist).
Hi All,
Took a look at their setup, and from what I can see, they have partnered with Overture to get their search results. Overture is a pay per click search engine, meaning advertisers bid to get to the top of the search results - anywhere from $0.10 to $50. Most arrangements involve Overture getting half of the the bid, and VeriSign getting the other half.
What this means is that they are making money (probably hundreds of thousands if not millions daily) from most of the searches you make.
Topics which attract high bids (up to $50 per click, it is shocking) include online casinos, dedicated servers, refinancing, and a few others.
I implore you all:
If you want this to stop, please do not click on any of the search results from this 'search engine'. Doing so will contribute to the profit VeriSign will make from this. If you really really want to click on one of the listings plase go to www.overture.com and get it directly from them.
Other things we can do include:
1) Putting them on the spam RBLs for spamming the entire internet. This will have the effect of blackholing them from some parts of the internet that drop packets based on those RBLs right at the router level.
2) Encourage your vendors to modify their DNS server packages to change results for that IP to NXDOMAIN.
3) Encourage your admins to run such modified DNS servers.
SSL Certificate
Preliminary (as in, it seems to work for me) BIND 8 patch that I just cooked up available here.
No, the real fun is that if you misspell verisign like this: :)
http://www.veirsign.com
Looks like someone beat them at their own game.
I've seen several people now post sessions they've had with "Snubby". Snubby is assuming that people are ordering things in a specific order. A session I just had with it:
telnet 64.94.110.11 25
Trying 64.94.110.11...
Connected to 64.94.110.11.
Escape character is '^]'.
220 snubby3-wceast Snubby Mail Rejector Daemon v1.3 ready
250 OK
250 OK
550 User domain does not exist.
250 OK
221 snubby3-wceast Snubby Mail Rejector Daemon v1.3 closing transmission channel
Connection closed by foreign host.
That's right. It doesn't parse the input at all (I just hit Enter a bunch of times). If you have multiple RCPT lines, or have an extra command in there anywhere, you will get an OK in the wrong place and it will look like you have succeeded.
Adam
Would you do it for some scoobie crack?
If you have SSL certificates from Thawte (a subsidiary of Verisign), you can send them a message today.
Email your Thawte rep to explain why you or, better yet, your huge organization :) won't be renewing your certificates with Thawte.
You can tell them "it's a trust thing" (their own motto).
IANAL, but I dated on once, so take this for what it's worth. This appears to me to be a clear violation of anti-trust laws. Verisign is using their monopoly position as the root DNS to create business opportunities which are not available to others. Verisign can create a nearly infinite number of domains for free, and sell advertising on all those domains. Any of their competition would have to pay for those domains (in fact, would have to pay Verisign). If this isn't abuse of a monopoly position, nothing is. Somebody should sue them under the Sherman Anti-Trust act and get an immediate injunction against them.
Eric
eric at koldware dot SpamThisSucker dot com
I've created a Squid redirector to deal with this problem. I tried to post it here, but couldn't get past the Slashdot lameness filter.
It catches anything going to a gTLD's wildcard response (there's about 15 gTLDs doing this!) and redirects it to google. It also does some other niceties that don't automatically happen when using a proxy, such as adding www. and .org/.com/.net if needed.
If anybody wants the code, then post a reply here and I'll set up a web page with it and post the URL. (I won't bother if nobody wants it.)
You may want to know, also, that some of the NANOG folks have patches for BIND to change these responses back into NXDOMAIN.
The ICANN website has an online complaint form.
To quote from the site in question:
Although ICANN's limited technical mission does not include resolving individual customer-service complaints, ICANN does monitor such complaints to discern trends.
Let your voices be heard!
If you look for a file that doesn't exist on your hard drive, you will get ads for MS Office, telling you that you can create your own files with that!
One of many problems is that web.archive.org will honor the /robots.txt of any host and remove that host from its archive. So, sooner or later, the archive of all formerly (and currently no longer) registered domains will be gone...
From: Martin A. Brooks
Reply-To: uknot@uk.com
To: uknot@uk.com
Subject: [uknot] Cluebyfour verisign HOWTO for the UK
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 11:32:55 +0100
Call 0800-032-2101 and select option 2 for Support.
Explain to the engineer that you have typed in an non-existant domain name and
been directed to their sitefinder service.
Explain that you have read the "Terms of Use" and do not agree to abide by
them.
Explain that, as you don't agree to the ToU, you are explicitly forbidden from
using their service.
Ask them to exclude your IP block from those that will be given the sitefinder
IP rather than NXDOMAIN.
Give them your name, company (if appropriate) and a contact telephone number.
US and Canada: The contact page number is 888-642-9675. Apparently they will also refer you to 866-345-0330 (which isn't listed on that page), but you should of course check the number given on their official contact page and call that first. The postal address is VeriSign, Inc., Attention: Legal Department, 21355 Ridgetop Circle, Dulles, VA 20166, USA.
http://rocknerd.co.uk