Resolving Everything: VeriSign Adds Wildcards

DragonHawk writes "As of a little while ago (it is around 7:45 PM US Eastern on Mon 15 Sep 2003 as I write this), VeriSign added a wildcard A record to the .COM and .NET TLD DNS zones. The IP address returned is 64.94.110.11, which reverses to sitefinder.verisign.com. What that means in plain English is that most mis-typed domain names that would formerly have resulted in a helpful error message now results in a VeriSign advertising opportunity. For example, if my domain name was 'somecompany.com,' and somebody typed 'soemcompany.com' by mistake, they would get VeriSign's advertising." Read on below for some more information.

"(VeriSign is a company which purchased Network Solutions, another company which was given the task by the US government of running the .COM and .NET top-level domains (TLDs). VeriSign has been exploiting the Internet's DNS infrastructure ever since.)

This will have the immediate effect of making network trouble-shooting much more difficult. Before, a mis-typed domain name in an email address, web browser, or other network configuration item would result in an obvious error message. You might not have known what to do about it, but at least you knew something was wrong. Now, though, you will have to guess. Every time.

Some have pointed out that this will make an important anti-spam check impossible. A common anti-spam measure is to check and make sure the domain name of the sender really exists. (While this is easy to force, every little bit helps.) Since all .COM and .NET domain names now exist, that anti-spam check is useless.

VeriSign has published white papers about their implementation and also made some recommendations."

Comments

wonder of wonders

[wherley]

what are the chances - using the
search page that comes up at the
verisign site to search for "register" we find at the top of the
list a link to networksolutions.com (a verisign company). we also
note that searching for the same word at google
does not result in that site being present in at least the first four pages of results.

yeah - thats a real useful search tool verisign has there - thanks so much.

Re:wonder of wonders

[pbox]

You at least have an option of turning off this "helpful" page in IE. No such feature from NSI.

Re:wonder of wonders

[Anonymous Coward]

It is not that bad. At least if you enter "Verisign sucks big donkey balls", two of the three first results are from Slashdot.

Re:wonder of wonders

[bobthemonkey13]

More fun with sitefinder.verisign.com

Hmm, cross-site scripting. Seems harmless enough, but I wonder if VeriSign stores anything important in the verisign.com cookie...

Re:wonder of wonders

[StewedSquirrel]

Sure you do, if you have a REAL router (or a DSL router even) you should be able to null-route that IP. Or actually, you might even be able to convince your ISP to do it with a short, friendly letter to the admin.

Stewey

Re:wonder of wonders

[mosch]

Actually, the verisign search seems to be pretty good. A search for FUCK VERISIGN returns a slashdot article about verisign sending out deceptive domain renewal mail as the second result.

Re:wonder of wonders

[gantzm]

Speaking of search engines. What would happen if a significant number of web sites put links on every page to a poison page. This poison page would generate 10,000 random links of the form "www.verisignblows948950948393903848585.com", with the number obviously being random. How long would it take for all the search engines and web crawlers to hit this and have a serious impact on verisigns servers?

Now, I'm not suggesting anybody do this, I'm just asking the question.

Re:wonder of wonders

[morganjharvey]

No, the real fun is that if you misspell verisign like this:
http://www.veirsign.com
Looks like someone beat them at their own game. :)

Re:wonder of wonders

[CaptainSuperBoy]

No, that won't work at all.

First, Verisign put an exclude: / in their robots.txt.

Second, do you really think Google doesn't know how to handle wildcards by now? Think about it for a second. Even Slashdot has a wildcard - anything dot slashdot.org goes to the homepage. Does Google index Slashdot an infinite amount of times? Of course not. Why should it be different for anything dot com?

Re:wonder of wonders

[CaptainSuperBoy]

Do you know how a DNS wildcard works? Apparently not. There is a SINGLE record that resolves all nonexistent .com and .net addresses to Verisign's sitefinder. Although I'm sure Google's massive server farm can handle storing 10,000 addresses it won't even have to. As soon as it sees the domain resolves to the same address it can move on.

Re:wonder of wonders

[vrmlguy]

It's a single record for verisign, but there's no difference in the DNS response record. This means that a caching DNS has to keep every record that it gets back. This means that you could overload Google, but verisign would be unlikely to be affected.

And you can't ignore domains that resolve to identical addresses. Virtual web servers share the same address with different domain names. The web server uses the name to decide which set of web pages to serve up.

Re:wonder of wonders

[ddent]

From VeriSign global registry services... I have access to them - you just need to sign a contract with them. It's not hard.

Google caches IP info a good deal longer than is specified by TTL and such, and a lot of other fancy bandwidth reducing (but frustrating) tricks). Its known by people who pay a lot of attention to google, based on observations. Many people have good reason to pay attention to google - they make their living from the traffic they get from google.

Re:wonder of wonders

[bernywork]

You don't seem to understand, by VeriSign doing there there never will be a failure for a mis-typed URL for you to get re-directed to a search page for google.

joy

[digitalsushi]

this should make troubleshooting dns records as a netadmin much more fun with all those glorious false positives... guess that means i'll have to learn how to spell finally!

How Long...

[jlaxson]

until we get gator-type forced advertising (not just incidental unrelated ads on the page) whenever you make the slightest domain mistake? I get the feeling this doesn't bode well for the continued freedom of the internet, if one company can unilaterally do something of this magnitude. (But then again, Mr. Bush seems to get along fine.)

Re:How Long...

[dnoyeb]

This happened to my mother just yesterday. She calls me complaining about "my computer has a virus!" I countered that their was no way her computer could know. This went on for a while..

My mother is visually impared. She was trying to go to www.biblegateway.com, but she went to www.gatewaybible.com. sacreligious scum.

It's hard for her to find the stupid MODAL popup windows when she is using a screen magnifier and the whole screen is not even showing...

A DNS error would have been MUCH nicer. She would not have even called me costing my employer productivity. Currently I know somebody is wasting money on those parked domains. This verisign situation is just sad.

How can we undo this?

[Anonymous Coward]

Anyone have any information on whom to contact to put an end to this absurdity?

Re:How can we undo this?

[Anonymous Coward]

Anyone have any information on whom to contact to put an end to this absurdity?

I think you mean Commander Taco. Or were you talking about that dns thing?

Re:How can we undo this?

[pirodude]

ICANN and DoJ

Re:How can we undo this?

[r_weaver]

I checked their site, and found a Domain Names & Related Services contact number (888-642-9675), and gave it a try.

Unfortunately, the rep that answered the phone was unable to help, he said that he works for Network Solutions, and can only help with domain registration issues, and that the Verisign parent company runs the root nameservers. He was unable to give me a contact number for Verisign. However, you may want to try calling this number yourself to see if maybe a different rep has the contact number for Verisign.

I did a whois on the verisign.com domain, and came up with the main contact number for Verisign: 650-961-7500, but it's been ringing for the past 5 minutes, with no answer. One would think that they would have an automated voice-response system on their main number, so I think that they are being innudated with calls.

Strike Back with Poor Typing

[nightsweat]

As a Denial of Service Attack Iwill continue to manually type domain names and not take typing classes.

I oughta be able to bring em to their knees in a day or two.

Re:Strike Back with Poor Typing

[Electrum]

Even better, you can send mails with 10MB attachements to people you don't know at random internet addresses ending with .com, they'll love it...

Wrong. Their SMTP server rejects all DATA commands with a 550:

$ nc 64.94.110.11 25
220 snubby1-wceast Snubby Mail Rejector Daemon v1.3 ready
MAIL FROM: <>
250 OK
RCPT TO: <anyone@example.com>
250 OK
DATA
550 User domain does not exist.

network operators are pissed at this

[mdouglas]

expect that ip to get null routed by the backbone carriers real fast.

Re:network operators are pissed at this

[Wateshay]

I wonder how long it will be before Verisign decides to sue the backbone carriers for some kind of unfair business practice crap.

Re:network operators are pissed at this

[Alien Being]

That would leave browsers waiting to timeout. ICMP-Rejects wouldn't be much better.

We'll need to hack the resolver libraries and/or DNS servers to translate 64.94.110.11 into "no such domain". Verisign will add some more numbers, and soon we'll have blacklists.

Re:network operators are pissed at this

[piyamaradus]

Null routing this address makes your problems worse, unless you also rewrite/fix the DNS lookups. Why? Because, again, of the email -- if that IP gets null-routed, all email to non-existent domains ends up QUEUED (after a nice timeout) and retried and retried and eventually bounced, 1-3-5 days later. Horrible customer experience -- you mistype a domain and don't know about it until the retry time on your SMTP relay expires. Plus, the ISP relay queues go through the roof.

Now, any good ISP wiz will be doing what my folks are doing right now and rewriting their SMTP servers to handle this address as a special case, and to watch for address changes. But even if you do that for your mail servers, if you run a network, you have to worry about all those people with their own mail servers on your backbone, and their little admins probably aren't rewriting Exchange...

Shorting Microsoft (prepare for battle)

[StewedSquirrel]

Doesn't this this short-circuit Microsoft's attempt to capture ad revinue from all mis-typed domains through their Internet Explorer?

I always thought that a revolting misuse of monopoly power and I use Mozilla exclusively now (that was one of the primary reasons I switched, tho not the only one).

Prepare for Microsoft to be EXTREMELY UPSET. MSN's search count will be cut in 1/4 by this move too.

Watch for it.

Stewey

Re:Shorting Microsoft (prepare for battle)

[wkcole]

The IE rediect to the MSN search mess is configurable: you can turn it off AND turn off the stupid useless 'all errors are one thing' error page and make IE actually give you something useful, at least with IE 5.5 and 6.

HOWEVER, you can bet that MS and AOL and everyone else who does something interesting and useful with HTTP queries that look for bad domain names (like some ISP's that have proxies for users and some companies that have proxies for employers) will be pissed off. Different people like to do different things with their NXDOMAIN responses, and Verisign has just made sure that a lot of those responses never happen and that only Verisign gets to choose what the user sees instead.

There essentially are no more unregistered .(com|net) domains. Verisign has just in effect registered all unregistered domains in those TLD's and pointed them at their own little cash-spinner.

What?

[Lord_Dweomer]

So let me get this straight.....If I own http://www.hardtospelldomain.com, and someone mispells it, Verisign now has the opportunity to offer up the highest bidders site for redirects? Even potential competitors? Perhaps I'm missing something here, but wouldn't this open them to all kinds of lawsuits from companies that were affected in that way?

Verisign just DDOSed itself

[diamond0]

Verisign just DDOSed itself by redirecting untold numbers of spam bounces to a single IP. Good job, guys!

Verisign would look nice in gasoline and flame

[netmask]

This is really sad.

Not only will mail have problems, as the "non-existent domain" check will always fail.. but this is completely criminal it seems.

I hate to mention, but they are giving Microsoft a dose of their own medicine.. taking away their ability to bring you to their 'search' page for non-existent domains.. and AOL's own feature similar to that. It hurts google, since Verisign teamed with yahoo on this one for search services (Although, google provides yahoos search functionality for now).

All .com domains are resolving with an authoratitive section of Verisign's server.. and .net's with the list of root servers. It would seem that no domain should ever resolve with either of those as an authority.. The real dns server for the domain should. Hopefully BIND and other DNS packages will start blocking domains that have a root server or a verisign server as the authoratitive dns server.

Further.. they'll be harvesting bounced email addresses for sure. If you get spammed from a bunk domain, and it gets returned.. or you typo and email address.. they are nice enough to run a mail daemon on port 25 to harvest those addresses. It lets you helo, from, rcpt, and data.. and then closes your connection.. just long enough to snag all the info it wants from you.

This entire thing is a mess, and seems like it should be highly illegal. Hopefully OpenSRS and GoDaddy and others will have a fit over it. This just seems completely wrong.

Re:Verisign would look nice in gasoline and flame

[Asgard]

In the absense of a MX record for a given domain, the MTA will attempt to go to the A-record for the domain.

DDOS in the making

[digitalsushi]

think about it.. your dns server caches the entries it gets back, but now we can make scripts that check sequentially all the way up! crash your ISPs name servers, or crash a root server for the prize! remember kids, take down 2/3 + 1 of the root servers and it's not running on spec anymore!

Now let's see

[psyconaut]

Porn companies aren't allowed to run sites with slightly mispelled names because it's considered unfair practice, but a 'registrar' is allowed to catch anything that might come their way?

-psy

Agreement by typo.

[Lux]

This is hillarious!! They have a TOS!

By making a typo, you supposedly agree that if their site overflows a buffer in your browser and wipes your HD, they are not liable.

Okay, terrible example for many reasons, but I still think it's pretty laughable that they claim that the "user" agrees to certain terms of service by "utilizing" this little piece of indirection.

-Lux

Re:Agreement by typo.

[JayBlalock]

That's not hillarious, that's maddening beyond my ability to properly express. Especially, #10 - Sole Remedy: "YOUR USE OF THE VERISIGN SERVICES IS AT YOUR OWN RISK. IF YOU ARE DISSATISFIED WITH ANY OF THE MATERIALS, RESULTS OR OTHER CONTENTS OF THE VERISIGN SERVICES OR WITH THESE TERMS AND CONDITIONS, OUR PRIVACY STATEMENT, OR OTHER POLICIES, YOUR SOLE REMEDY IS TO DISCONTINUE USE OF THE VERISIGN SERVICES OR OUR SITE." If you don't like what Verisign is doing, get off the Internet. This could well inspire even our current Administration to smack them down. This is the most hubris-laden abuse of a monopoly I've heard of in a long time.

Re:Abusing the Power that be

[ScrewMaster]

Verisign has forgotten that they don't own the Internet: they were granted the power to run the root servers and manage primary DNS by the federal government. That government-granted monopoly is revocable. This is a risky maneuver, as it will have global implications. They will probably get their wrists slapped.

wahts the porelbm?

[yali]

For example, if my domain name was 'somecompany.com,' and somebody typed 'soemcompany.com' by mistake...

What do you mean, "by msiatke"?

patches?

[Pathwalker]

I wonder how long it will be before there are patches for BIND/dnscache/etc. to remap any result containing 64.94.110.11 to a "record not found" result?

Re:This is a bitch

[pavon]

I vote that we concider anything from 64.94.110.11 to be spam. That should take care of the problem for spam filters.

Re:This is a bitch

[SSpade]

Those spam-catching tools work by doing a reverse-dns lookup of the IP address that is trying to send the mail. This is different than doing a "forward"-dns lookup.

Not so.

A common spam filtering method is to check the envelope sender to see if the domain exists. Any mail that is sent with a faked envelope sender to which bounces can't be sent is spam.

That means querying for either an MX record or A record for that domain, and bouncing all the spam that doesn't have either. Now, thanks to verisign, all spam sent with forged envelope senders in .com or .net wil go straight through this spam filter, increasing the amount of spam in many peoples mailboxes.

Yes, in theory you could look for the magic A record returned, but to do so is something of an operational nightmare, and impossible to do with most current MTAs.

Mail trap

[piyamaradus]

This also traps all mail sent TO a non-existent domain. Since all RFC-compliant mail servers will follow up a negative MX response with an A lookup and connect to that IP, if you send mail to a bogus domain, it goes to verisign's server, which (currently) bounces it. Imagine the fun the federal government can have subpoena'ing those logs.

Also, you'll note the cookies that 'sitefinder' sends out, so they can uniquely track any traffic to that site. Also a fun subpoena opportunity. And did you read the fun terms of service that they claim you agree to by 'choosing to visit' their site?

I doubt this will stand. I certainly know that, as a major ISP executive, we'll be reviewing our business with Verisign.

Re:Mail trap

[xdroop]

Quick, saturate web pages with hundreds or thousands of nonsensical email addresses -- we can dilute spammer's lists, _and_ flood verisign.

Everybody wins!

30% chance of failure

[MavEtJu]

With DNS tracer, you can see how much damage they do:

[~] edwin@k7>dnstracer -s . -o blaat.burps.ploeps.thisdomaindoesnotexistabcdef.co m
Tracing to blaat.burps.ploeps.thisdomaindoesnotexistabcdef.co m via A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET, timeout 15 seconds
A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET [.] (198.41.0.4)
|\___ M.GTLD-SERVERS.NET [com] (192.55.83.30)
|\___ E.GTLD-SERVERS.NET [com] (192.12.94.30)
|\___ K.GTLD-SERVERS.NET [com] (192.52.178.30)
|\___ J.GTLD-SERVERS.NET [com] (192.48.79.30)
|\___ F.GTLD-SERVERS.NET [com] (192.35.51.30)
|\___ L.GTLD-SERVERS.NET [com] (192.41.162.30)
|\___ D.GTLD-SERVERS.NET [com] (192.31.80.30) Got authoritative answer
|\___ B.GTLD-SERVERS.NET [com] (192.33.14.30) Got authoritative answer
|\___ I.GTLD-SERVERS.NET [com] (192.43.172.30)
|\___ C.GTLD-SERVERS.NET [com] (192.26.92.30) Got authoritative answer
|\___ H.GTLD-SERVERS.NET [com] (192.54.112.30)
|\___ G.GTLD-SERVERS.NET [com] (192.42.93.30)
\___ A.GTLD-SERVERS.NET [com] (192.5.6.30) Got authoritative answer


Personal opinion: stupid idiots who wrongly mix political goals with technical capabilities. Just because we can doesn't mean we should.

This is what happens Larry...

[MrPerfekt]

when you fuck an RFC in the ass. *baseball bat on car headlight*

Send your queries to the GTLD servers direct

[DragonHawk]

Okay, everybody and their brother is trying to resolve "bogusdomainname.com" or whatever and finding they get a NXDOMAIN error (as they should). There are a lot of possible reasons for this, which I will simply handwave as "caching".

To see the real thing in action, query an authoritative nameserver directly. For example:


$ host www.bogusdomainname.com
Host www.bogusdomainname.com not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)
$ host www.bogusdomainname.com a.gtld-servers.net
Using domain server:
Name: a.gtld-servers.net
Address: 192.5.6.30#53
Aliases:

www.bogusdomainname.com has address 64.94.110.11
$


The first query uses the default resolver on my system, which is a local named which in turn forwards to my ISP's resolvers, which do who knows what. The second query says to ask a.gtld-servers.net, which causes the host utility to send the query directly to one of the authoritative nameservers for the GTLDs (Global Top Level Domains, as opposed to country-specific domains like .us). Then I see the current authoritative response.

They at least gave us warning

[jdc180]

This isn't something new, they told us it was coming. What a crock of shit. I think this shows that there needs to be some sort of accountability in this business.

What about Google?

[MobyDisk]

This is horrible for web spiders and search engines. Every link to a dead domain name will now result in a series of pages that need to be indexed. And there will be thousands (millions?) of web sites that all offer Verisign name registrations -- all identical. This will surely affect their page rankings! Spiders will have to be hard-coded to ignore certain IP addresses or DNS names.

I hope they get sued by every mail filter vendor, registrar, and search engine that they just damaged with this. And the government needs to review the powers they are granting to name-server providers.

Re:What about Google?

[Asgard]

Fortunately there is a robots.txt hosted on that server:

User-agent: *
Disallow: /

Who is going to be the first to hack it?

[Istealmymusic]

Starting nmap 3.28 ( www.insecure.org/nmap/ ) at 2003-09-15 06:36 PDT
Host sitefinder.verisign.com (12.158.80.10) appears to be up ... good.
Initiating SYN Stealth Scan against sitefinder.verisign.com (12.158.80.10) at 06
:36
Adding open port 80/tcp
The SYN Stealth Scan took 94 seconds to scan 1643 ports.
Warning: OS detection will be MUCH less reliable because we did not find at lea
st 1 open and 1 closed TCP port
For OSScan assuming that port 80 is open and port 36304 is closed and neither ar
e firewalled
For OSScan assuming that port 80 is open and port 43206 is closed and neither ar
e firewalled
For OSScan assuming that port 80 is open and port 44655 is closed and neither ar
e firewalled
Interesting ports on sitefinder.verisign.com (12.158.80.10):
(The 1642 ports scanned but not shown below are in state: filtered)
Port State Service
80/tcp open http
No exact OS matches for host (test conditions non-ideal).
TCP/IP fingerprint:
SInfo(V=3.28%P=i386-portbld-freebsd5 .1%D=9/15%Time=3F65C0E9%O=80%C=-1)
TSeq(Class=TR% IPID=Z%TS=U)
T1(Resp=Y%DF=Y%W=16A0%ACK=S++%Flags= AS%Ops=MNNTNW)
T1(Resp=Y%DF=Y%W=16D0%ACK=S++%Flag s=AS%Ops=MNW)
T2(Resp=N)
T3(Resp=Y%DF=Y%W=16D0%A CK=S++%Flags=AS%Ops=MNW)
T4(Resp=Y%DF=Y%W=0%ACK=O %Flags=R%Ops=)
T5(Resp=N)
T6(Resp=N)
T7(Resp=N)
PU(Resp=N)

TCP Sequence Prediction: Class=truly random
Difficulty=9999999 (Good luck!)
TCP ISN Seq. Numbers: 673A4C36 652AB817 BBE534C3 685BB54A
IPID Sequence Generation: All zeros

Nmap run completed -- 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 137.552 seconds

But we can't hate them...

[ShawnD]

They are running Linux.

Just a little humour...

Re:Which domains?

[D. J. Bernstein]

Requests for unknown .com names are handled by VeriSign's thirteen .com servers. As of 2003.09.16 01:35 UTC, the wildcard is on only four of those servers. So you may or may not see it; there's no guarantee that your ISP's DNS cache will contact a particular server.

Presumably VeriSign will copy the wildcard to the other servers at some point. I wouldn't be surprised if they're ramping up slowly, monitoring the load as they expand the wildcard coverage.

Oh common, the workaround is so obvious...

[TyrranzzX]

Simply block all traffic to 64.94.110.11 and give verisign your hate mail as well. It'll still return the error message whenever that address is found, so even if it is hosted, it's as good as not registered.

This a stupid stupid stupid move by them, Akin to shooting themselves in the foot with a 45 caliber pistol; it's going to anger a lot of people in the IT industry.

BANZAI!!! Self-DoS Attack of Ownage

[Cordath]

This is one helluva of a way to drum up traffic, so I'd be curious to know what kind of steroid-pumped uber-server and fat petabyte pipe they plan to run their site on. Personally, I suspect the ad page will be taken down by Verisign themselves when they smell smoke coming from the server room and see their sysadmin's running around naked on the front lawn while tearing out their hair and screaming "SWEET MOTHER OF SMEGMA, MAKE THEM STOP!!!".

Make sure you let Scott and Matt know ....

[jea6]

You may want to let Scott Hollenbeck (shollenbeck@verisign.com) and Matt Larson (mlarson@verisign.com) from VeriSign's Naming and Directory Services know what you think of their Best Practices.

And while you are at it, you may consider a friendly note for W.G. Champion Mitchell (wmitchell@verisign.com), President, NetSol and Stratton Sclavos (ssclavos@verisign.com), Chairman and CEO, VeriSign.

Complain to ICANN *NOW*

[Teflon]

In order to get this rather unwelcome act of Verisign's reversed, EVERYONE should contact ICANN immediately.

comments@icann.org

Re:Complain to ICANN *NOW*

[tuba_dude]

If ICANN was still there for the good of the internet, yeah, that should work. Otherwise, you should only bother complaining if you're a CEO.

Re:Complain to ICANN *NOW*

[trainsnpep]

Well, regardless of whether it will work, I tried:

Verisign has continually been abusing the power that has been handed out to them. Two such examples are its mailing of false renewal notices, and its most recent exploit: sitefinder.verisign.com. Now, nearly all mistyped names will be sent to Verisign where they can do whatever they like to the unwitting user. There are even categories on sitefinder.verisign.com where one can browse and go to sites which are undoubtedly paying Verisign for the space.

Please take this, and the hundreds or thousands of e-mails you will receive, into consideration, and exercise the power that ICANN has. Verisign has continually been abusing and tricking people through deceptive business practices, and this should be the last straw. Verisign should not only be removed from it's post, but it should also be fined for its numerous escapades designed to make money.

Sincerely,
Michael B****

I've got to wonder: where do they come up with such evil ideas? Verisign must have a beowulf cluster of insensitive clods...

Abuse of monopoly will result in regulation.

[semanticgap]

I find it very hard to believe that they will be able to get away with this without some response from the US (and EU) government(s).

Sorry to say this, but this is going to be a precedent for Internet being regulated, this time for real. And you'll be able to thank Verisign for it. Perhaps that's a provocative step to achieve what they are really after - being regulated, which will guarantee them longevity.

Greedy bastards.

Re:Seeeing the future

[SwellJoe]

How big a problem will this be as most people/companies register common mispellings along with the right domain and make the mispellings point to the right site?

This was likely one of the primary motivations for this maneuver...to encourage formerly unnecessary registrations.

I've never registered mispellings of my companies domains, and the thought never even crossed my mind until now. I'm sure the crooks at Verisign saw this angle, in addition to the tons of free eyeballs.

MSN search hasn't changed.

[ogre2112]

The contents of the address bar are only processed by MSN's built in search form if you don't add the TLD.

'slashhhdot' - would bring up MSN's search.

'www.slashhhdot.com' - would bring a 404 (or now, Verisign's site-finder)

After this change by Verisign, MSN's search operates 100% the same. At least, on my IE6 SP1 with no customizations.

Terms of Use

[creidieki]

So let me get this straight. A site I didn't ask to go to has a Terms of Use which says that my sole remedy is to discontinue use of "The Verisign Services".

So, by mistyping a domain name, I've entered into a legal agreement with Verisign? And the only way to get out of it is to not use the internet?

The only address on the page is their legal department's postal address, at

VeriSign, Inc.
Attention: Legal Department
21355 Ridgetop Circle
Dulles, VA 20166

I guess I'll be sending them a nice letter. As soon as I figure out what legal recourse I actually have.

Contact ICANN comments@icann.org

[Teflon]

If you want this "feature" of verisign's turned off (I know I sure do), contact ICANN now. This is yet another example of Verisign having far too much unchecked power over the .COM and .NET registries.

Re:Contact ICANN comments@icann.org

[C10H14N2]

Terrific. As the staff at ICANN can barely fill the coffeehouse across the street, hell, you could probably cram them all in the bathroom without too much work, I'm sure they'll appreciate the /. effect of 35,000 emails in a day on a single issue.

Yeah, bravo. The idea is alright, but suggesting it to the bagillion /. trolls that will see this is not exactly the epitome of civility. I feel for the sysadmin who is no doubt already writing the filter for anything regarding this issue that they are no doubt already aware of.

What is this, better living through DDoS?

Re:Contact ICANN comments@icann.org

[innocent_white_lamb]

What is this, better living through DDoS?

No, this is receiving feedback from the affected administrators, engineers and other interested persons; said feedback hopefully leading ICANN to do the give Verisign a short, sharp lesson in "WHOA!".

You know, the job that they are supposed to be doing and all that kind of thing.

Re:Contact ICANN comments@icann.org

[tulare]

Sorry, but bullshit.

ICANN is responsible for, among other things, ensuring that it's registrars perform their duties properly. If an issue such as this one crops up, and the /. community (trolls and non-trolls alike) decide to make their complaints known using the established protocol that ICANN itself has provided for such matters, so be it. Yes, this will generate an enormous volume of sometimes absurd attempts at flaming, and yes, someone at ICANN has probably filtered all that traffic - although I suspect not to a circular file as you seem to suggest, but to a count-aggregation file to provide a record of public comment.

Face it - sometimes, being responsible for a little thing like the internet can be a bitch. Most of us do have to deal with inane crap as a part of our daily grind, although I admit that getting 20,000 emails suggesting I view a goatsex link in a single day would probably be unusual for me at least. But at least ICANN has said outright that they aren't going to read all of them :) But that's their job, and the closetfull of people who work for ICANN get paid to do it, knowing fulll well that things like this will happen. Big deal. Such is life, such is work. Or do you have a job where your responsibility is guaranteed to be 100% hassle-free? If so, I applaud and doubt you.

Re:I think Verisign now owes...

[signe]

VeriSign *is* InterNIC.

Network Solutions "bought" InterNIC way back when. VeriSign bought Network Solutions. Now Network Solutions sells domains as a registrar, and VeriSign (VeriSign Naming and Directory Services, specifically) is the registry. Every registrar, including Network Solutions, pays VNDS $6 per year per domain. VNDS doesn't pay anyone anything.

It's VNDS that is doing the wildcard entry.

-Todd

They've been waiting for a critical mass

[jamezilla]

From the bestpractices whitepaper:

Several TLD administrators* already support wildcard functionality in their zones, demonstraiting that the concept works in practice. The applications provided by these administrators to support wildcard functionality vary, but in all cases the administrators provide a web page to inform the human web users that they have reached a destination as a result of attempting to resolve a non-existent domain name. In most cases, the web page informs the user that the domain is available for registration. In one case the web page helps the user find web sites associated with delegated subdomains.

*The zones for .cc, .cx, .io, .mp, .museum, .nu, .ph, .td, .tk, .tv, and .ws support wildcard functionality.

They've been watching others do this for a long time... just waiting for a critical mass so they can point to everyone else and say, "They're all doing it, why can't I?"

Misplaced root of trust?

[LostCluster]

Is it just me, or is Verisign now absuing the trust of the Internet community, which is a very strange thing for a company that wants to be a root of trust when it comes to issuing SSL certs?

There is no Internet

[DragonHawk]

(Pre-emptive strike: Insert Matrix-spoon reference here.)

I feel it is worthwhile to post a more general response to this point as well.

There is this myth that "the Internet" exists as a single, cohesive network. It does not, and never has. "The Internet" is a network of networks. What that means is that a bunch of independent network operators have agreed to exchange traffic with each other because it benefits them. When you dial in to your ISP of choice (or plug in your Ethernet cable or whatever), you're not connecting to the Internet. You're connecting to your ISP. Your ISP probably connects to their ISP. Their ISP (if you're lucky) connects to several other ISPs, who connect to other ISPs, and so on. All these independent network operators form "the Internet". So, "the Internet" exists as an abstract concept (and a useful one), but not as something you can touch. Not even as something you can route traffic through. All you can do is connect to some other guy's network and hope for the best.

The reason this is important is because we are already seeing ISPs implementing countermeasures against this VeriSign move. Some are null-routing that IP address at layer two; others are using DNS tricks to give us the old behavior. If enough ISPs do this, VeriSign's move will be largely ineffective. In effect, ISPs as a community can veto VeriSign or anyone else. It only works if most of them agree and take action, of course, and it remains to be seen if they will do that. And, of course, some of these countermeasures may themselves be easily defeated, leading to an arms race (like the spammer vs anti-spam arms race).

The possible consequences of all this are, shall we say, interesting.

(BTW, I don't disagree with the OP's suggested course of action, nor with the principle behind it. I'm just pointing out that things are, as usual, more complicated then they might appear.)

Already discussed on the ICANN/GNSO mailing list

[next_permutation]

This is discussed on the ICANN/GNSO mailing list. A vote saying

gTLD Registry operators WILL return NXDOMAIN for ALL DNS queries for which there is not a REGISTERED domain name.

has been suggested. Sure seems like a good idea to me.

E-mail

[jdunlevy]

Just to see what would happen, I just tried sending an e-mail to <testuser@slashdoct.com>. Would they bounce the message? If so what would the error message look like? If they didn't bounce it, would they just keep it? Read it? Inquring minds want to know!

Well it bounced:

The original message was received at Mon, 15 Sep 2003 21:06:55 -0500 (CDT)
from [myhost.mydomain] [xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx]

----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
<testuser@slashdoct.com>
(reason: 550 User domain does not exist.)

----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to slashdoct.com.:
>>> RCPT To:<testuser@slashdoct.com>
<<< 550 User domain does not exist.
550 5.1.1 <testuser@slashdoct.com>... User unknown

Reporting-MTA: dns; [myhost.mydomain]
Received-From-MTA: DNS; [myhost.mydomain]
Arrival-Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 21:06:55 -0500 (CDT)

Final-Recipient: RFC822; testuser@slashdoct.com
Action: failed
Status: 5.1.1
Remote-MTA: DNS; slashdoct.com
Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 User domain does not exist.
Last-Attempt-Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 21:06:56 -0500 (CDT)

And: >telnet www.slashdoct.com 25
Trying 64.94.110.11...
Connected to www.slashdoct.com.
Escape character is '^]'.
220 snubby3-wceast Snubby Mail Rejector Daemon v1.3 ready
quit
221 snubby3-wceast Snubby Mail Rejector Daemon v1.3 closing transmission channel
221 snubby3-wceast Snubby Mail Rejector Daemon v1.3 closing transmission channel
Connection closed by foreign host.
>

Snubby Mail Rejector???

Re:E-mail

[pipeb0mb]

I wonder if more people will become concerned when verisign starts to harvest instead of bounce?

Site Finder Developer's Guide available...

[Etcetera]

Available here

How nice of them to let us know...

An open letter of complaint

[DDumitru]

To: icann@icann.org, iana@iana.org, nstld@verisign-grs.com,
rcc@verisign.com, hostmaster@nsiregistry.net, ir@verisign.com,
dcpolicy@verisign.com
Subject: Complaint about Versign abuse of DNS root zones

A Letter of Complaint about actions undertaken by Verisign Incorporated
on or about 9/13/03.

Sent to the Internet Corporation of Assigned Names and Numbers and the
Internet Assigned Number Authority.

Doug Dumitru
xxxxx xxxxxx xxxx Road
xxxxxx xxxxxx, CA 9xxxx
949 xxx-xxxx

Dear sirs,

As you are probably aware, Verisign is redirecting unregistered
2nd-level domains in the .com and .net TLDs to a Verisign owned search
engine. They are using a technique known as DNS wildcarding to
accomplish this.

I firmly believe that this is clearly an abuse of the DNS system, that
it violates the technical requirements for domain lookups, that the
results returned are fraudulent, and that this technical action only
benefits Verisign at the expense of the rest of the internet population.

I respectfully request that IANA and ICANN immediately take action
against Verisign demanding that Verisign cease this fraudulent and
damaging behaviour. Should Verisign refuse, I would recommend that IANA
and/or ICANN (and/or the US government) take immediate action to revoke
Verisign's contract to administer the .com and .net TLDs.

I would also recommend that IANA and/or ICANN immediately pass "best
practice" rules that prevent other TLDs and country-code domains from
following in Verisign's deceptive footsteps. It is important that a
"domain not found" error not be subverted into an advertising opportunity.

Sincerely,
Doug Dumitru

Complain to Verisign as well

[trafik]

They don't seem to have an e-mail address for the category of "Subversion of the global DNS," so pick one of the following e-mail addresses and use it to CC your complaint to Verisign:

authenticode-support@verisign.com,
billing@veri sign.com,
channel-partners@verisign.com,
clientp ki@verisign.com,
consultingsolutions@verisign.com ,
dbms-support@verisign.com,
dcpolicy@verisign.c om
digitalbranding@verisign.com,
dnssales@verisi gn.com,
enterprise-pkisupport@verisign.com,
ente rprise-sslsupport@verisign.com,
info@verisign-grs .com,
internetsales@verisign.com,
IR@verisign.co m,
jobs@verisign.com,
mss@verisign.com,
objects igning-support@verisign.com,
paymentsales@verisig n.com,
practices@verisign.com,
premiersupport@ne tworksolutions.com,
press@verisign.com,
privacy@ networksolutions.com,
renewal@verisign.com,
supp ort@verisign.com,
verisales@verisign.com,
vps-su pport@verisign.com,
vts-csrgroup@verisign.com,
v ts-mktginfo@verisign.com,
webhelp@verisign.com,
websitesales@verisign.com,
websitesupport@verisig n.com

Violation of ICANN Policy

[wsloand]

It seems that they have effectively violated the ICANN Domain Name Dispute Policy: "circumstances indicating that you have registered or you have acquired the domain name primarily for the purpose of selling, renting, or otherwise transferring the domain name registration". They're definitely doing this to sell domains.

Bill

Here is a form letter for everybody:

[techstar25]

I used VeriSign added a wildcard A record to the .COM and .NET TLD DNS zones as the subject of the email. You could use something more original if you want.


To whom it may concern,
Verisign is commiting a major injustice that cannot be allowed to continue. It is important ICANN consider what is best for the internet community as a whole and take proper action. Proper action would be to immediately stop this monopolistic behavior from Verisign.

Please read below for more information taken from Slashdot.org:

As of a little while ago (it is around 7:45 PM US Eastern on Mon 15 Sep 2003 as I write this), VeriSign added a wildcard A record to the .COM and .NET TLD DNS zones. The IP address returned is 64.94.110.11, which reverses to sitefinder.verisign.com. What that means in plain English is that most mis-typed domain names that would formerly have resulted in a helpful error message now results in a VeriSign advertising opportunity. For example, if my domain name was 'somecompany.com,' and somebody typed 'soemcompany.com' by mistake, they would get VeriSign's advertising.

This will have the immediate effect of making network trouble-shooting much more difficult. Before, a mis-typed domain name in an email address, web browser, or other network configuration item would result in an obvious error message. You might not have known what to do about it, but at least you knew something was wrong. Now, though, you will have to guess. Every time.

Some have pointed out that this will make an important anti-spam check impossible. A common anti-spam measure is to check and make sure the domain name of the sender really exists. (While this is easy to force, every little bit helps.) Since all .COM and .NET domain names now exist, that anti-spam check is useless.

The internet belongs to everyone. It is not something that can be bought and sold by any one entity. Please put a stop to this behavior.

Thank you.
---insert name here---
---insert city and state of residence here---

The damage is already beginning

[Huusker]

This is so amazingly reckless and damaging that I don't know where to begin.

A few hours ago I was trying to troubleshoot a lame delegation to another zone. It seemed to be working which puzzled me to no end. It turns out the lame DNS server was returning 64.94.110.11.

Lame delegation is a very common phenomenon and (in the case of a typo) can often be diagnosed with NXDOMAIN being returned for the glue RR record. Never returning NXDOMAIN means that many types of lame delegation will no longer be caught.

One of my peer zones had a typo'ed MX record. Before VeriSign's sabotage (yes, sabotage) the lookup of the corresponding address record would simply fail with NXDOMAIN. The source MTA would then try to deliver to the secondary MTAs on the list of MX records in order of priority. Mail delivery would proceed normally using the secondary MTA(s).

However to my complete and utter astonishment, 64.94.110.11 has a working MTA listening on port 25 (why???). This means that any MX records with typos in the primary record will have all their e-mail redirected to VeriSign's MTA. Mail that would normally automatically be re-routed to the secondary MTA instead now gets bounced by Verisign's ''Snubby Mail Rejector Daemon v1.3''. Not returning NXDOMAIN will break mail delivery to secondary MTAs.

And what about spam filters? It will break any spam filter that tries to verify that the source MTA hostname claimed in the HELO request is resolvable (i.e. that the claimed HELO name is not fictious).

I could probably list another half dozen problems if I thought about it. I can't believe the arrogance (read: stupidity) of this act.

I can't wait to see reaction reaction from the backbone cabal on NANOG.

Waste of time

[Adam9]

As another person mentioned this already, e-mailing them is a waste of time unless you're a corporation with extra cash.

How do you fix this problem? DON'T USE THE ICANN ROOT SERVERS. Easy as that.

Plug: OpenNIC (for ICANN users) and OpenNIC (for OpenNIC (and its peers) users)

Re:Waste of time

[Adam9]

If your ISP won't switch over or you don't want to run your own nameserver.. there is a list of publicly available tier 2 servers that you can switch to that are offered by OpenNIC members.

Re:Already taken down??

[DDumitru]

Only 4 of the root servers have the wildcard in place. Thus there is a bit of randomness in whether you hit it or not.

If you have a Linux box, you can see this with:

host verisigniscrooked.com a.gtld-servers.net ...
host verisigniscrooked.com i.gtld-servers.net

I think we should all call tech support on their 800 number and complain.

U.S. and Canada: 888-642-9675
Worldwide: 1-703-742-0914

Lets see if we can get their hold queue time to several hours. Perhaps even ask to speak to a supervisor. Be sure to get names of everyone you talk to. Ask for names and phone number of the corporate officers. Compare them to SCO (ok, a bit off topic but I couldn't resist).

BIND Blocking Configuration

[Anonymous Coward]

If you run a nameserver and want to return NXDOMAIN instead of Verisign's IP, add this code to your named.conf if you are running BIND 9.2.2

zone "11.110.94.64.in-addr.arpa" { type master; allow-query { none; }; };

If you are running a version below 9.2.2 create a generic zonefile with contents such as

$TTL 288000 @ IN SOA localhost. root.localhost. 1 7200 3600 604800 600

and use this line in named.conf instead

zone "11.110.94.64.in-addr.arpa" { type master; file "generic.zone"; allow-query { none; }; };

Not every root nameserver is serving the A record

[ziegast]

At my last check, only the "a", "c", and "d" COM servers are serving the global A record for *.COM.

I am removing those broken nameservers from my root zone hints at all of the places that I administer. Hopefully enough root servers will remain clean of this aborration to keep up a good level of service.

I encourage others everywhere to do the same and ask their ISPs follow suit. If you don't play fairly with the public trust, the public should stop trusting you.

If Verisign can hijack *.COM and *.NET, what is to keep resolving ISPs from hijacking unused domains at the resolver level to suit their own purposes?

Where was the RFC on this practice? It would never have passed peer review.

--
Eric Ziegast
Former TLD administrator.
Former hostmaster at a major ISP.

PLEASE DO NOT CLICK ON ANY SEARCH ENGINE RESULTS

[ddent]

Hi All,

Took a look at their setup, and from what I can see, they have partnered with Overture to get their search results. Overture is a pay per click search engine, meaning advertisers bid to get to the top of the search results - anywhere from $0.10 to $50. Most arrangements involve Overture getting half of the the bid, and VeriSign getting the other half.

What this means is that they are making money (probably hundreds of thousands if not millions daily) from most of the searches you make.

Topics which attract high bids (up to $50 per click, it is shocking) include online casinos, dedicated servers, refinancing, and a few others.

I implore you all:

If you want this to stop, please do not click on any of the search results from this 'search engine'. Doing so will contribute to the profit VeriSign will make from this. If you really really want to click on one of the listings plase go to www.overture.com and get it directly from them.

Other things we can do include:

1) Putting them on the spam RBLs for spamming the entire internet. This will have the effect of blackholing them from some parts of the internet that drop packets based on those RBLs right at the router level.

2) Encourage your vendors to modify their DNS server packages to change results for that IP to NXDOMAIN.

3) Encourage your admins to run such modified DNS servers.

Preliminary BIND 8 patch

[achurch]

Preliminary (as in, it seems to work for me) BIND 8 patch that I just cooked up available here.

Rejector isn't even parsing

[DeathB]

I've seen several people now post sessions they've had with "Snubby". Snubby is assuming that people are ordering things in a specific order. A session I just had with it:

telnet 64.94.110.11 25
Trying 64.94.110.11...
Connected to 64.94.110.11.
Escape character is '^]'.
220 snubby3-wceast Snubby Mail Rejector Daemon v1.3 ready

250 OK

250 OK

550 User domain does not exist.

250 OK

221 snubby3-wceast Snubby Mail Rejector Daemon v1.3 closing transmission channel
Connection closed by foreign host.

That's right. It doesn't parse the input at all (I just hit Enter a bunch of times). If you have multiple RCPT lines, or have an extra command in there anywhere, you will get an OK in the wrong place and it will look like you have succeeded.

Adam

they're only running smtp and http

[Jerf]

They aren't. "Filtered" means the packet sent to that port simply disappeared, without even a error packet coming back to indicate the failure. In other words, indistinguishable from "There is no machine at all receiving the packet". Here's how to use nmap, see the third paragraph.

The server is only running smtp and http, and theoretically it could be running services on the tens of thousands of other ports you didn't scan, but it almost certainly isn't.

Those filtered ports are why the nmap scan took 24.611 seconds; system without filtered ports will go faster then that under normal circumstances.

NANOG threads on this topic

[PghFox]

The North American Network Operators' Group has two ongoing threads ('What *are* they smoking' and 'Change to .com/.net behavior') with further discussion on this topic.

Boycott Thawte (Verisign's SSL subsidiary)

[ajks]

If you have SSL certificates from Thawte (a subsidiary of Verisign), you can send them a message today.

Email your Thawte rep to explain why you or, better yet, your huge organization :) won't be renewing your certificates with Thawte.

You can tell them "it's a trust thing" (their own motto).

Re:Boycott Thawte (Verisign's SSL subsidiary)

[mino]

Email your Thawte rep to explain why you or, better yet, your huge organization :) won't be renewing your certificates with Thawte.

Superb idea, ajks. Have a cookie (or a certificate).

Here's a form-letter version of the email I'm about to shoot off to our rep, the delightful(!) Barbara:

Dear [Thawte Rep Name],

I am an employee (and listed CSO) of [company name], which purchases 128-bit SSL certificates from Thawte. We purchase approximately [x] certificates a year, which works out to approximately $US[y] per year.

As you might be aware, Verisign, parent company of Thawte, has recently introduced a deceptive and misleading practise with regards to DNS resolution of non-existent domains. Any attempt to locate the IP address of a domain which is not registered (www.non-existent-domain.com) will, rather than returning an error message, return the address of a Verisign advertising server.

This practice is not only ethically dubious, it is also something which promises to cause untold headaches for network administrators all over the world, as well as confusion for end-users of the Internet, all purely for the financial benefit of Verisign.

I am not writing this letter to you in an official capacity as representative of my company: however, I wish to advise you that come certificate renewal time, I will be strongly recommending to my company that we change to an alternate SSL certificate provider, rather than Thawte, if this practice of Verisign's is still in place.

As the listed CSO of this company, I strongly expect that my stance will result in the direct and immediate loss of this $US[y] worth of annual business to Thawte.

This is an selfish and narrow-minded move on the part of Verisign, and I have no hesitation in recommending that my company withdraw its business from Thawte.

Kind Regards,

[Your Name],
[Your location]

We're a small company: but even in our case, [x] and [y] are are 10 and 3000 respectively. It won't take that many to make a sizeable hole in Thawte's pockets.

Physical Location of Verisign Offices

[CaptainCarrot]

From the website:

VeriSign Worldwide Headquarters
487 East Middlefield Road
Mountain View, CA 94043
Phone: 650-961-7500
FAX: 650-961-7300

Have fun!

Here's a neat idea:

[pipeb0mb]

A fellow SA Goon (thatdog), pointed this out, and it could perhaps be a nice fun tool to screw with them...I'll quote his post over there:

thatdog said:
The most amusing part of this to me is they take whatever is passed in the url parameter and shove it into the html of their page, no questions asked. Remote scripting exploits will be ever so easy!

If you don't get what I'm talking about, just check out this link.

Would be fun to see redirects on major isps and backbones...or even forwarding to an alternate site hosted elsewhere with an explanation.

ICANN said no....

[chipster]

...back in January, as you will read here:

<http://www.icann.org/correspondence/iab-message-t o-lynn-25jan03.htm>

What happened? I STRONGLY URGE that complaints be made to ICANN and the US DoC...right now.

This is so much worse than many folks think.

libverisignfix.c

[Dwonis]

Try libverisignfix.c. It's an LD_PRELOAD hack to intercept gethostbyname, gethostbyname_r, and gethostbyname2_r. It doesn't intercept anything else (like getaddrinfo), but it works in Mozilla.

Re:PLEASE DO NOT CLICK ON ANY SEARCH ENGINE RESULT

[okigan]

Actually I think you are totally right.

The whole thing was done exactly with this
purpose, but I think it can be used to break the
system. If enough bots (and bots only)
constantly "click" on the ads, their price will
plummet. Since now they cannot tell if a person
saw the ad, they "pay per click" becomes
pointless. (and boy they will be mad when find
out they paid all that money for nothing)

On the other other hand if every slashdoter
would ping the thing it would be way more fun.
Come one everybody just type : ping 64.94.110.11
(at -t if you are in windows)

Anti-Trust violation

[kolding]

IANAL, but I dated on once, so take this for what it's worth. This appears to me to be a clear violation of anti-trust laws. Verisign is using their monopoly position as the root DNS to create business opportunities which are not available to others. Verisign can create a nearly infinite number of domains for free, and sell advertising on all those domains. Any of their competition would have to pay for those domains (in fact, would have to pay Verisign). If this isn't abuse of a monopoly position, nothing is. Somebody should sue them under the Sherman Anti-Trust act and get an immediate injunction against them.

Eric
eric at koldware dot SpamThisSucker dot com

What I did

[Piquan]

I've created a Squid redirector to deal with this problem. I tried to post it here, but couldn't get past the Slashdot lameness filter.

It catches anything going to a gTLD's wildcard response (there's about 15 gTLDs doing this!) and redirects it to google. It also does some other niceties that don't automatically happen when using a proxy, such as adding www. and .org/.com/.net if needed.

If anybody wants the code, then post a reply here and I'll set up a web page with it and post the URL. (I won't bother if nobody wants it.)

You may want to know, also, that some of the NANOG folks have patches for BIND to change these responses back into NXDOMAIN.

Complaint Form ICANN

[Anonymous Coward]

The ICANN website has an online complaint form.

To quote from the site in question:

Although ICANN's limited technical mission does not include resolving individual customer-service complaints, ICANN does monitor such complaints to discern trends.

Let your voices be heard!

What's next?

[drx]

If you look for a file that doesn't exist on your hard drive, you will get ads for MS Office, telling you that you can create your own files with that!

Legal degree from Play Skool?

[Cramer]

spacemeat:/# /usr/lib/sendmail -bt foo@foothefuckinghell.com
foo@foothefuckinghell.c om
deliver to foo@foothefuckinghell.com
router = lookuphost, transport = remote_smtp
host foothefuckinghell.com [64.94.110.11]
spacemeat:/# telnet 64.94.110.11 25
Trying 64.94.110.11...
Connected to 64.94.110.11.
Escape character is '^]'.
220 snubby2-wceast Snubby Mail Rejector Daemon v1.3 ready
QUIT
221 snubby2-wceast Snubby Mail Rejector Daemon v1.3 closing transmission channel
221 snubby2-wceast Snubby Mail Rejector Daemon v1.3 closing transmission channel
Connection closed by foreign host.

Umm, the fact that email is going to go there for every typo or expired domain opens up a great deal of legal trouble. They really haven't thought this out very well have they?

(Even if it currently bounces everything. It still has to get there to be rejected. And there's nothing that says they aren't keeping it, reading it, or won't do so in the future.)

Re:Legal degree from Play Skool?

[Cramer]

Oh, and what happens with that address is unreachable, down, DoSed, or whatever... your mail will sit in the queue for some configured amount of time with zero indication of the user's error.

Remedy:
1) blackhole that IP - PERMANENTLY. (blacklist their entire IP assignement(s))
2) modify bind to return NXDOMAIN for any query containing that IP.
3) make aformenttioned modification a configuration option (list) thus making it easy to adjust when the assh^W^Wthey change the address.
4) add my own choice wildcard entries :-)
5) kill every living thing at Verisign/Network Solutions even remotely involved with this bullshit (as an example to others who have not learned to participate in a civilized society.)

There's a real big difference between me adding *.bar.com and someone adding *.com.. The wildcard record was originally intended to reduce the number of records -- specifically to negate the need for an MX record for every host. And honestly, it's never worked to anyone's satisfaction (e.g. the ability to send email to bob@[censored].bar.com)

done!

[js7a]

I would be more interested in a fix for djbdns

done: the patch is here

Complaint submitted - the text

[mccalli]

This complaint is regarding Verisign's recent decision to claim all non-registered .com and .net domain names for itself. It has done this by inserting a wildcard into the DNS registers, meaning an IP of 64.94.110.11 is returned for any domain name that has not yet been registered. That page is an advert for Verisign's domin registration services This is unfair competition with existing registrars - there is no means for myself, for example, to gain a similar foothold without actually purchasing each and every currently unregistered .com/.net name. It is also a technical breach of trust - the internet is not merely the web, and unknown domains should return errors rather than constantly try to contact Versign advert servers. Non web-based applications, such as ftp clients etc., will now incorrectly log that they have contacted the host you asked for when in fact they should have returned an error 'hostname unknown'. The same for traceroute, ping...any of these will not behave in a manner expected. I would be grateful if you could investigate this matter. Yours, Ian McCall

web.archive.org

[Specialist2k]

Did Verisign even think when they implemented SiteFinder?

One of many problems is that web.archive.org will honor the /robots.txt of any host and remove that host from its archive. So, sooner or later, the archive of all formerly (and currently no longer) registered domains will be gone...

Time to replace verisign?

[joostje]

I mean, we can start paching the nameservers etc, letting verisign change the IP number, and pach them again.

But if enough ISP's or other people with big servers are infuriated by this, why not create a new set of root DNS servers (that get their data from the verisign ones, but filter out the * records), and then replace the current list of root servers in the bind config files with the new ones? No paching of bind, and verisign would learn a nice lesson.

DDoS/attack/"testing"?

[Fastolfe]

So if a script kiddie out there is trying to test his hostname parsing code in his latest DDoS tools, and tries to use a hostname that he knows doesn't exist, would he be liable for the damage his scriptz cause when that hostname actually does resolve to a Verisign IP address?

It really sounds like Verisign wants traffic destined for every mistyped or invalid hostname. I say let them have it. Surely they're aware that the Internet is not just the web.

Clue-by-four

[David Gerard]

From: Martin A. Brooks
Reply-To: uknot@uk.com
To: uknot@uk.com
Subject: [uknot] Cluebyfour verisign HOWTO for the UK
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 11:32:55 +0100

Call 0800-032-2101 and select option 2 for Support.

Explain to the engineer that you have typed in an non-existant domain name and
been directed to their sitefinder service.

Explain that you have read the "Terms of Use" and do not agree to abide by
them.

Explain that, as you don't agree to the ToU, you are explicitly forbidden from
using their service.

Ask them to exclude your IP block from those that will be given the sitefinder
IP rather than NXDOMAIN.

Give them your name, company (if appropriate) and a contact telephone number.

US and Canada: The contact page number is 888-642-9675. Apparently they will also refer you to 866-345-0330 (which isn't listed on that page), but you should of course check the number given on their official contact page and call that first. The postal address is VeriSign, Inc., Attention: Legal Department, 21355 Ridgetop Circle, Dulles, VA 20166, USA.